View Full Version : Prosport coilovers by Kings?
sfifteen
27-06-02, 01:03 PM
Anyone had any experiance with them?? They seem pretty good value, although they are only height adjustable. Apparently they are what Mark King uses on his GTP Evo, so they cant be bad...can they?
vrmmmpshhh
27-06-02, 01:09 PM
wow that sounds good.. hopefully they arent too expensive. Maybe its just an option for those who want lowered suspension but cant be stuffed putting their old old springs back in after they have bought his super lows and got defected =)
do you have any prices
Originally posted by sfifteen
Apparently they are what Mark King uses on his GTP Evo
"Apparently" being the operative word :rolleyes:
sfifteen
27-06-02, 01:29 PM
I've been quoted $1800 fitted and wheel aligned. Yeah sounds a bit hard to believe that they're used on the Evo. Anyway, I dont believe that they are better than Teins, HKS etc. but if they are good enough for a performance street/ light track work, thats all I'm after.
hotgemini
27-06-02, 01:42 PM
We use them on a pair of AU XR8 racecars, they do the job but I wouldn't write home about them. They are better for most of qld. raceway than the old shocks, but seem really unsettled through the braking area into turn one.
I dont believe that they are better than Teins, HKS etc.
I wouldn't use those brands as examples of good shocks... billies and DMS, yes... HKS... no.
Originally posted by sfifteen
Yeah sounds a bit hard to believe that they're used on the Evo.
Let me qualify that derision just a little.
The bodies are probably the same or very similar. There may be a few mods to allow alignment settings that you won't want on the road anyway.
The springs will be Kings (obviously) but whereas the GTP car will have a choice of boxes of linear and (maybe) progressive rate coils, you'll get one set of (probably) progressive. These will suit your application better than any of the aforementioned boxes of coils though.
The actual dampers (inserts).... well I'd be stunned if they were the same and they are what you are paying for.
I'm not saying they are a bad product... and they may well be better than something that comes with cool japanese stickers and a higher price tag... but they won't be "what Mark King uses on his GTP Evo".
sfifteen
27-06-02, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by coyote
Let me qualify that derision just a little.
The bodies are probably the same or very similar. There may be a few mods to allow alignment settings that you won't want on the road anyway.
The springs will be Kings (obviously) but whereas the GTP car will have a choice of boxes of linear and (maybe) progressive rate coils, you'll get one set of (probably) progressive. These will suit your application better than any of the aforementioned boxes of coils though.
The actual dampers (inserts).... well I'd be stunned if they were the same and they are what you are paying for.
I'm not saying they are a bad product... and they may well be better than something that comes with cool japanese stickers and a higher price tag... but they won't be "what Mark King uses on his GTP Evo".
Yeah, I thought that much. Thanks for clearing that up :) Put it this way, would they be better than the factory setup for the S15 in particular? As long as they dont make the handling any poorer, Id say they are ok considering the price.
Originally posted by sfifteen
As long as they dont make the handling any poorer...
On a 200SX?
I wouldn't have thought that was possible.
[Where's that f#@&*ng nomex?]
On the contrary Coyote, think hard enough (actually you don't have to think that hard) and you will probably remember a stack of 200SXs/Silvias that don't handle as well as the stock ones did.
200SXs are are pretty predictable handler straight out of the box, some I have driven were a lot less so. Interestingly enough, all of them probably went for the cheap-as lowered stance.
Though I wouldn't expect a complete package from Kings to be in that category, its normally only when people go for bits and get unmatched parts.
As soon as I sell my swift I will be buying some sort of suspension bits for my s14 200sx. Do you guys think I am better doing all the ugly bits (as whiteline call bushes, sway bars etc) first then go for the springs/shocks combo later? After driving it around for 2 weeks now the rear setup is absoloutly shocking, waaay to soft (I'm amazed i can actually tell what is wrong) and the camber changes way to much mid corner.
Anyway, what should I do first?
Kev
hotgemini
30-06-02, 09:53 AM
I'd do the handling pack first.
23Kev: Yeah order your whiteline stuff now if you expect to have it before the end of the year. I'm still waiting for stuff I ordered in february (strut brace and sway bars) :(.
Andre
hotgemini
02-07-02, 09:15 AM
Ever ordered anything that was not 'off-the-shelf' from hollinger or APEP?
Surely a handling kit for the 200SX would be an "on the shelf" item? A mate of mine has the Whiteline/DMS coilovers now, so he has his Whiteline kit for sale I am fairly sure......if anyone's interested.
Whiteline
03-07-02, 09:49 AM
G'day everyone
Forgive the instrusion but we were a little concerned to read about peoples difficulties with order and deliverys for our products.
Its our policy to try to be as upfront and honest as possible, nor do we want to hide from problems or pretend that they don't exist. The reality is that we've dropped the ball on a number of occassions in the last 6-9 months due to overwhelming growth. Fortunately (in some respects) we have seen a huge increase in export demand for our stuff which has forced us to run like mad to try to keep up, often tripping and stumbling while we try to ramp up production.
Faced with large orders for big quantities of single part numbers, we inevitably tie up production at the expense of smaller orders. Being a manufacturer, its always a tricky balance between being efficient and flexible and I have to say that we didnt quite get it right. We are VERY mindful of Australia being our home market and the place that ultimately gave us a boost so we are horified to hear stories of people waiting so long for stock.
Andre, we have looked through our pending orders and can't find any outstanding reference to the products you mention. Would it be possible for you to contact me (off list to avoid clutter) personally about this so we can find out exactly whats happened? We'll respond with an answer promptly.
To everyone else, our apologies if our service has been lacking but we will try harder in the future as we have not forgotten our home market.
Feel free to give us a serve if we let you down as we don't always know about a problem done unless we're told.
Sincerely
Jim Gurieff
Whiteline Automotive
jimg@whiteline.com.au
Not many manufacturers would have the balls or the integrity to make a post like that. Kudos to everyone out at whiteline IMO
Yep I agree IMOA (green goblin, LOL) :)
Incidentally, I remember Edo saying once on the old Autospeed forums that (correct me if I'm wrong!) the Pedders Extreme struts were good - I think it's their coil over product and looks quite beefy in construction... 50mm bores I believe.
Would this be a more worthy product compared to the Koni jobby?
Cheers,
Adrian
Those Pedders 50mm struts are made by a certain company that start with D and ends with S. Mmmmm... can't remember what the middle letter is.
That's right! I remember now... :)
Are they cheaper from Pedders?
coyote - maybe you can't remember the middle letter because you've used them on a certain 4WD with rather forgettable handling ;)
So when is the trackday, it's about time the green beast came up and converted you to the joys of driving a real car, not that glorified FWD you've got atm :).
gti6,
I thought the ones with P were more expensive. The answer is only a phone call away :)
IMOA,
I'm sure the green beast handles well. It was just a bit hard for me to tell when I saw it. Spinning every 20 metres does that :owned:
If you need to hide behind a surfeit of hp instead, QR has a sprint day on July 20.
ROFL bring it on :)
I'm sure the brake pedal, clutch & steering wheel feel will be far superior in the WRX ;)
/me bolts away from IMOA
I'll be in melbourne July 20, got any other dates?
Bloody datto drivers, always have an excuse.
200s are the worst, just a bunch of ricers!
Coyote - IMOA's excuse was quite creative this time, normally it's to do with something that's broken! :)
Should stick with the "broken" excuse, it's very believable after all!
IMOA, now youve got to drag the datto up here, If you dont beat coyote I'll get another datto that will hammer him, some people up here have no class.(I mean shiny A pillar gauges...pfft)
Go the dattos!
I don't imagine I'll have too many difficulties beating coyote on the track, it's more a question of by how much. I'm sure we'll get lots of talk from coyote in the meantime but he knows that the second he takes a real car round a track he'll be datto shopping. Don't be too harsh on the shiney a pillar gauges edo, you have to let them think they're in a sportscar, it's not like those overblown shopping trolleys actually perform like one after all.
You know you're in a sportscar when there are various glowing devices of all different colours - blue and green radios and clear blue plastic warp-drive boost controllers backlit in yellow, orange and red!
IMOA you could have achieved the same result much easier with some neon lighting from Auto One. :)
keeping off the topic on this as as this thread has seemed to have gone, i went suspensio shopping for the first time today at pedders looked at prices of springs and shocks for my car (1985 mazda 929, its the 4 door one)
i would love to do some circuit work, just like some sprint days at qr or seomthing maybe even a hillclimb with a car club, i wont win anything, the car is a boat, and always will be, but i definietly want some firmer springs and shocks.
they told me about the shock absorbers they offer fully adjustable etc.etc. a full setup for all four corners would have started at like 4000 dollars or seomthing like that which is similar to what a v8 supercar or specialised track car would use, i doubt i would ever need that kind of ability.
i want something a step down (at least one step) for cornering, and making sure teh car doesnt point the nose to teh sky whenever i accelerate, eventually the car is planned for have about 500hp, it currently has about 300hp, again it may never get 500hp.
the car eweighs about 1400kgs with me in it, and is fully indepentant suspension and is rwd. at the moment it isnt lsd, that also is planned, but anyway, what would i have to look for to make teh car handle better, i wont be lowering it, if i do, it wont be much at all, it hasnt got much ground clearance anyway,
EDO: u have been in nicks supra, that rides nicely, without being too harsh, my car currently has electronically controleld suspension, so it has to be completley replaced, i dont know anything about damper rates and spring rates and how they make a car perform, if i take it to a suspension shop they should be abel to do this for me, but i still wanna understand what they are telling me and spending my money on, how would i go about make my car ride similar to nicks, but still be nice round a track or soemthing like that???
mayeb even something more seriosu than nicks supra i would like also,
thanks for any help u can offer, but basically i want good suspension, and can u tell me teh pros and cons of urethane to rubber bushes and stuff
thanks
chad
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