Brake Pad Reference

[dbasteve]

Please post GOOD experiences with brake pads here.

This would make a handy reference for pads in one post.

Thanks in advance.

[dbasteve]

I've used a few excellent Track pads in testing which would suit the enthusiast.

Ferodo DS3000 = Excellent bite, kind to rotors, low wear, high temp

CarboTech Panther XP (Imported U.S.A) = Excellent bite, higher temp range, little chewy on rotors but worth it.

Pagid Blue RS-42 = Old faithful, Excellent bite, kind on rotors, low wear, fade above 550 deg C

[hotgemini]

I'm usually a bendix man for road use, normally ultimates because they are readily available... That said, on the two AU XR8 racecars I mentioned in my other post, we originally had a few sets of ultimates which came with the car and crumbled to death in no time flat and gave no pedal feel, then we got sponsorship from ferodo and switched to excels, and they have been doing a remarkable job, top marks...

That said, on all of our real race cars, we use real race pads, endless pads on the subies, either pagids or cut down supercar pads on the geminis.

[gtrken]

Originally posted by dbasteve


Pagid Blue RS-42 = Old faithful, Excellent bite, kind on rotors, low wear, fade above 550 deg C

Yea, I can attest to that. On a heavy car ( 300zxTT ) , about 15km into any Targa stage.
Pagid blacks ( don't know the number ) don't fade cos the average production disc warps first.
Ken

[itsnotagsr]

Hi,

I have had pagid blues previously and agree that they are an awesome pad. But at $400+ a pop, I am interested to see if any one has had any experiences with the "Pagid RS" pad which is supposedly between an ebc green and ebc red, and which retails for $140.

Thanks
Chris

[Group3JDatsun]

Howards Race Brakes Comp2 and Comp3. Used on a fairly light car (Datsun 1600) they seemed to take a while to warm but worked brilliantly once they came on. They also coped with some extreme temps without fade - the discs they ran on had cracks, grooves and were a DEEP blue. They never once faded. Not a good situation, but a testiment to the pads.

Pagid RS14 Black - freakin' sensational!!! Most unbelievable pad I've ever experienced. Taking me a while to get used to the initial bite, but apart from that they're damn good!!! :D :D

[simon010]

steve/guys

have used the following on a mid weight (940kg) fiat 124 for circiut work

metal kings - work from cold, fade after 1 to 2 laps . . . . .. . . . . . . . . , obviously getting way too hot as the material started to crumble

black flash - need to warm up with left foot braking, quite light pedal pressure, reasonable feel, start to go off after 4 laps (mallalalalalalaalalala)

DP11's - pain in the arse to bed in . . . . . . . . , need to warm them up a bit, lack initial bite, seemed to work better with x-drilled disks, wear was quite good

hawk - hps conpound - excellent, cant make them go away, light pedal effort and ex initial bite

hawk - black - even better intial bite than hps compound, wear seems higher (particularly on disks)

i would be interestde in finding out differnces between hawke/pfc/pagid etc

regards

simon

[dbasteve]

I'm hoping to book in some time on our Dyno around Xmas time for a pad compound comparison test. We should get some fairly accurate results as we can maintain the same conditions.

Simon,
Have you tried Ferodo DS2000 or DS3000 pads on your car?
They're good.

[simon010]

no

havent tried the ds3000

the specs look good (apart from high temp reange approx 750 C),

regards

simon

[Boxer]

Steve,

Can you give me a brief rundown on the difference between DS2000, DS2500, DS3000's?

I cant find much on the web onl;e www.ferodoracing.com and most of that is not in English. The DS3000 seem to be a track only pad whereas the DS2500 are hard street/track use?

What sort of temp range do they operate in and how are they on rotors?

[dattoman1000]

this might help if its readable

[dbasteve]

Originally posted by Boxer
Steve,

Can you give me a brief rundown on the difference between DS2000, DS2500, DS3000's?

I cant find much on the web onl;e www.ferodoracing.com and most of that is not in English. The DS3000 seem to be a track only pad whereas the DS2500 are hard street/track use?

What sort of temp range do they operate in and how are they on rotors?

This will save me some typing,

http://www.ferodo.co.uk

Look under High Performance and Motorsport applications and all the details are there.

[Boxer]

Thanks Steve,

Been there also and read up on the DS3000, but still no info on DS2500 - is it halfway between a DS3000 and DS2000 as its number suggests?

BTW as a side issue thanks for the excellent advice in another thread on my suppodsed warped discs, I think Honda were telling me a furphy with the warping issue. I scuffed the discs and re-installed the Porterfield track pads and no more shudder. I'd say the OEM pads are knackered and keep depositing resin on the rotors as you suggested.

[dbasteve]

I must be going crazy.....:confused:
It was there.

Anyway you right it is between the DS2000 and DS3000. I found this short note on one of the resellers websites.

DS2500
This is a relatively new material designed to bridge the gap between DS2000 and DS3000. For use on both light and heavy High Performance cars it contains all the benefits of DS2000 but with less pad noise and a 'racing pedal feel'. It is disc friendly and has 20% less pad wear than competitive products:

Typical Applications: - High Performance Road Cars

Re: Your Honda issue. This resin problem has only been highlighted from the elimination of asbestos and not too many people are clued up on it yet. Blaming it on warpage is the easy way out I suppose.

[Boxer]

Sounds the goods then :)

And looking at the graphs from the website on the DS3000 as a translator for the piccies datto posted, it looks like a good compromise.

Coef fric 0.5 over a good temp range to 500degC, should work from cold ok?

[turbovan]

I just put some DS2500 pads in my Datsun. Did a track day at Oran Park last week, 12 laps with no fade. Heaps better than Bendix Ultimates which would fade after about 6 laps. They bite pretty well, and work fine when cold. I got them from Competition Friction in Canberra.

Cheers,

Chris

[Lauren]

k, i dont know much bout brake pads n stuff, but i finally got my slotted dba's for my silvia in, with A'pexi N1 pads

I have no idea how they measure up against all these different pads mentioned in the thread, but I have to say that they are proving themselves *thinks of intelligent word* AWESOME :)

At $182 a set, I reckon theyre great value.

[dbasteve]

Originally posted by Lauren
k, i dont know much bout brake pads n stuff, but i finally got my slotted dba's for my silvia in, with A'pexi N1 pads

I have no idea how they measure up against all these different pads mentioned in the thread, but I have to say that they are proving themselves *thinks of intelligent word* AWESOME :)

At $182 a set, I reckon theyre great value.

Good stuff.
We finally have a player in the under $200 market.

[mikali]

whats up with the "greenstuff" pads i been hearing so much about does anyone know about them? how much are they a set? and where to get them from? :wtf:

[itsnotagsr]

I recently fitted Comp 9s from Race Brakes. Im pretty dissappointed with them. They were $160 and tend to fade reasonably quickly.

[F|sh]

yeah im chasing ebc greenstuff pads aswell

has anyone used the brake paint temp range markers available from revolution racegaer?

Hotgemini how much u want for a set of Supecar pads for a gem?
btw weres my sticker?

[yum-13b]

Hey,

I just wacked some EBC "GREEN STUFF" Pads in last week, and would probably never change brands!

Green stuff are the shit!

They've got my vote!

[747pilot]

Have just chucked the horrible factory pads off my wife's 2000 Astra- (only half worn) They were foul!
Bendix have just released "Advance" for the Astras- So far very happy indeed. Good Feel, no fade, and you can still see the Mags a week after washing the car ie: about a tenth as much dust.

Too early yet to know how they're wearing etc. but so far Jan is happy.... and so am I.:)

[Nafe]

FWIW, I put EBC Green Stuffs into my Satria - compared to the standard pads

- better cold bite
- less brake dust
- kept stopping with no fade around Wakefield Park (even though the discs were very blue with heat).

We currently use Porterfield pads in the Alfetta racecar though, after having used old Ferodo DS11s (RIP old faithful), and the predecessors to the DS2000/3000 series (although they tended to crumble when worn down - great stopping power, but lots of dust).

[Grumpy Rooster]

Another vote for EBC Greenstuff pads here.

I put them on my Peugeot 205GTI and they were great, stopping time and time again without fade around Wakefield with standard rotors and Motul RF600 brake fluid.

Darren

[Rattlehead]

There much differences between EBC's street kevlar pads and greenstuff? Coz for my application theres a $130 difference. Greenstuff costing $220. Worth it for street use?

[Nafe]

Mine only cost me $120 about a year ago....never tried the street pads

[rowdytoot]

Rattlehead

I had a couple of sets of EBC's street kevlars on my KE30 corolla ( ~70 hp to be kind :p) .and let say, fade resistant they were not... I had them smoking and had no pedal at all, after a long hills thrash... I eventually added ducts to the back of the disc and that helped a lot, but if you are going to the track or have something quicker than a slow boat to china, I'd stay away :o

Rowds

[IMOA]

Used to use Pagid RS14's which were very good but have now switched to Pagid RS4-2's, slightly higher wear rates than the 14's but also have a bit more bite. Both exceptional pads.

Re greenstuff. My experience is that they work well on light cars but on medium to heavy cars they have issues with fade. On a midly worked S14 they were completely gone after 2 laps around wakefield.

[Crash]

Well I have something a little different to you all.

Just got rear discs on the Datto & have used Mintex C-Tech Pads. It has the same in the front except with a higher operating temp. (600 degC Front M1155 & 450 degC Rear M1144).
I have done one practice session at Wakefield but that was with fronts only. Still had the drums on the rear. At the test I thought they were awesome. I only paid $126 for the rears M1144 but not sure how much the fronts are. *Note the price was at mates rates too*

I'll be running the car again soon so I'll let you know how they perform. Can't wait to try them out now I have them all around.

www.mintex.co.uk Click on the Motorsport section for the C-Tech.

Cheers,
Steve

[dattoman1000]

Mintex aren't too bad on small to medium cars. I have a customer who swares by 1144 on TR6's and 1155 if they are doing some track work.

On the DS2000 pads. Has anyone noticed if they are dusty yet ?.
I had a report back from a customer saying they were excellent but dusty.

[MiG]

This Saturday I got to try out my new Lucas pads with EBC racing brake fluid around Sandown racecourse. The brochure says "...with a stable friction coefficient from 100 deg C to 650 deg C"
These pads are dusty but they seem to work the same regardless of whether they are stone cold or pretty damn hot.
After overcoming intial fade by putting them through a heat cycle (I only got them on Wednesday), they worked well for the rest of the afternoon.
This is in a 94 Mitsubishi Verada (Magna) with a 120 kW V6, so I can't say whether these pads are suitable for a 300 kW car.

Now these pads might sound like a whole bunch of other pads, but they cost only $69 for the front.

If anybody else has experience with Lucas pads, I'd like to hear about it because they don't seem to be very common.

[dattoman1000]

650C would be a temp spike not a constant working temp
The lucas pads are very dusty but do seem to bed in very quickly and perform quite well.
I would put them close to Ultimates in overall performce at a cheaper price.

[Crash]

dattoman1000,
Do you know the best way to bed the Mintex in on the rear of my Datto?

[dan]

Originally posted by MiG
If anybody else has experience with Lucas pads, I'd like to hear about it because they don't seem to be very common.

I had a set of Lucas pads on my N14 pulsar.. they were extremely bloody dusty, very grateful I only had 6 spoke rims instead of the 16 spoke ones I was going to get :) As for their performance, well, they were fine when cold, but they'd start to fade about 1/3rd the way through a Nebo Run and they just got worse from there.. usually had to pull over for a 20min cooling stop to I didn't fly off the side of the mountain.

The set I had on the pulsar was actually a replacement set, the first set I had made a bad grinding noise.. replacing the pads fixed that. The second set always squeaked, didnt really try to fix it tho, cbf-ed.

For just general street driving they were fine, but for general street driving I'd expect a less dusty pad that wasnt so squeaky. As a performance pad they wernt reasurring.

[itsnotagsr]

Just got a set of ex-mirage cup Pagids for my evo 1. All I can say is that they are worth every cent.

I previously bought a set of Race Brakes pads and they were a complete waste of the $130 I paid for them. They chewed the disk very badly, squealed everywhere I went and once they got hot they were useless. These were the pads recommended to me by them!

Pagids all the way. You cant go wrong with them!

[Nucci]

Ok a wee bit of feedback now that I got my car sorted and took it to Wakefield yesterday.

I am running RB74 pads up front with DBA slotted rotors, and RB comp2 pads on the rear of my 200sx. I was running GP600 fluid.

After doing the obligatory warm up laps and easing into a rythym I was impressed at the inital bite of the pads, they pulled me up quite well and I was able to modulate braking pressure quite well so over the standard pads I could brake a lot lot later (I guess the fluid has a lot to do with this also). So once they are warmed up the pads did do what they were supposed to do quite nicely, and with the comp2's on the back I never had the rear step out, especially after the hard breaking after the kink on the main straight. However, on inspecting the rotors after the day, I noticed a large lip on the rotors and a few hotspots - These babies really chew through the rotors and throw off A LOT of dust.

For the price I would say they are an excellent compromise between a road and track pad, but that price is offset I feel by the rate at which they chew through rotors, but I am happy with the end result. Next set of pads will be Ferodo DS2500's so a comparison between the two will be interesting (taking price into account :D )

[slip]

Have Racebrakes RB74's on the front of the Skyline with DBA slotted rotors and 6.1 or something fluid.

I could not get them to fade on a Nebo run (tight mountain) Lots of bite, good modulation, fair bit of dust. Havent had them on for long so I cant comment on rotor wear. the 33 GTST with normal pads/fluid had brake fade about half way through and couldnt keep up, same brake hardware.

They are a 2nd hand set off a track car I think, so they get my thumbs up. Under $200 per axle for my car.

[Phasis]

I am using EBC Greens all around at the moment and was not able to get them fading coming down the back side of Glorious at all, no matter how much I abused them. Very little dust aswell, which I cant say the same for the Lucas' which were on there...terrible.

I have ordered slotted DBA disks for the Pug which will be on in about 2 weeks. After the bed-in I'll check back in with an update.

[F|sh]

i did my bed in procedure with stock brake pads and slotted disc's. The repco pads were fuggered after 5 laps!! they faded but they were still there as the car was pulling up but taking longer. when we did a brake change the pads were 3/4 worn after five laps at wanneroo.

I put the DS2500's in and the first brake application on the warm up lap was very very promising, after doing the warm up lap and waiting for the red lights to go out the car felt very very stable under brakes and i felt more confident then with the repco cheapies.

After 8 laps arou8nd wanneroo and heaps of qwik stops from 130 to 180 kmhs the brakes were still there and i couldnt tell if there was any fade.

not bad for slotted solid rotors.

i

[Spunkymonkey]

Originally posted by dattoman1000
Mintex aren't too bad on small to medium cars. I have a customer who swares by 1144 on TR6's and 1155 if they are doing some track work.

On the DS2000 pads. Has anyone noticed if they are dusty yet ?.
I had a report back from a customer saying they were excellent but dusty.

For those that asked me....The DS2500 ferodo pads are bedded in now, and grip very well. BUT yes are quite dusty. Possibly slightly dustier than the Bendix Ultimates I had on before.

although I'm not complaining as I rarely wash the car :p

[rowdytoot]

I have just fitted and bedded a set of DS3000's on the rally car, and so far they seem good, will know for sure after the weekend coming, but they are hella dusty, just 75 km driving and bedding in, and my front wheels are covered in dust.

Will be interesting to see how they compare to the Pagid Blues I had before (even though the DS3000's are less than 1/2 the price)..

Cheers

Rowds

[dattoman1000]

Rowdy I think you'll be going back to blues.

Watch the fireworks show of sparks out the wheels.......its awesome.

Keep an eye on disc rotor wear too.

[rowdytoot]

Dattoman, sadly I didn't have 400 bucks for a set of pads..:(... the pedal feel is better than the pagids though...

ooh fireworks.. exciting :) Hopefully I won't set fire to the ACT forests then!...

I'll be chucking the rotors away after this event, and getting some slotted methinks..

Rowds

[rowdytoot]

The pads were great.. better than me anyway.. little/ no fade in a tight twisty 35 km stage.

I'll report back on wear and such like when I pull the car apart, cos the front is a bit of a mess after a 100 + km/hr altercation with a bank :(

Rowds