Targa Tas '03

[crYnOid]

End of day one!!


Richards, chasing a seventh Targa win, leads the 2003 event after the opening leg in the Launceston and Devonport area. He incurred a total penalty time of 1-min 5-secs over the eight stages and 59.77km of competitive driving in the Porsche 911 turbo he is sharing with Tasmanian navigator Barry Oliver.

They hold a 13-secs advantage over Brock, who is second in a rear-drive V8 Holden Motorsport Monaro, followed by Queensland's Tony Quinn in a Porsche 911 and Tasmania's Jason White in a Nissan Skyline GTR.


MODERN COMPETITION:
POSITION DRIVERS CAR TIME
1. J. Richards (Vic)-B. Oliver (Tas) Porsche 911 1:05
2. P. Brock-A. Gigney (Vic) V8 Holden Monaro 1:18
3. T. Quinn (Qld)-K. Wenn (Tas) Porsche 911 1:23
4. Jason White-John White (Tas) Nissan Skyline GTR 1:35
5. T. Sullens-J. Rabbett (NSW) Subaru Impreza WRX 1:48
6. S. Glennie-C. Lang (SA) Nissan Skyline GTR 1:49
7. J. Beable-N. Beable (Vic) Porsche 911 1:57
8. 8. G. Garwood-M. Perry (Tas) Porsche 911 2:00
9=. P. Bradbury-A. Bullard (NSW) Porsche 911 2:04
9=. R. Broadbent-M. Goedheer (Vic) Porsche 911 2:04

OTHERS:
16. S. Hoinville-R. Williams (Vic) BA Ford Falcon XR6 2:18
20. S. Richards-G. Bashford (Vic) V8 Holden Monaro 2:43
21. M. Taylor-B. Humphrey (NSW) BA Ford Falcon XR6 2:44
23. C. McConville-G. Warwick (Vic) Holden Astra SRi 2:59
65. C. Bond (NSW)-M. Walker (GB) Toyota Camry Sportivo 5:04

Plenty more info at the targa site. (http://www.targa.org.au)

[MaximaSTouring]

Good to see Murray getting into it.

[TheDarkRaver]

Is there a web page with info on the Race?

And when is it on TV??

Marc,

[rowdytoot]

Marc

try www.targa.org.au

as for TV.. RPM will have a few highlights this weekend, then the 1 hour show will be probably a month away knowing Ch 10..

Rowds

[TheDarkRaver]

Thanks Rowds checking it out now!

[Mr57Ltr]

seems the GTR can be beaten lol:P

[DBJURY]

Did Steve Richards have a problem?

[edo]

Yeah, Steves car is standard or damn close...Brockys aint...

[Resin]

/me points to the guy in 18th

go brian!

/me goes back to drooling over the 'vette

[DBJURY]

Originally posted by edo
Yeah, Steves car is standard or damn close...Brockys aint...

Bullshit. Holden would never enter an event with a vehicle that was outside the spirit of the rules.

[bahaimus]

Originally posted by DBJURY
Bullshit. Holden would never enter an event with a vehicle that was outside the spirit of the rules.

:lol:

Another busy night for the boys on the last night, eh?

[edo]

They have different spirits...

[Forg]

Overproof?
:)

I'm vaguely surprised they don't have anything resembling the HRT427 there. I know that theoretically they're all sold already, but so was the Lancer Evo 6 TME ...

[edo]

The difference is that they had built the TME evos (btw, Ive found 8 at dealers, all less than 1000kms, all regoed) & they havent built the 427...(except the show car).

[floody]

Methinks the rules holden runs by are written in a parallel dimension: I keep hearing about Brock's car being a "lightweight version" and having "a lot more power than last year". Oh and the main reason the White's aren't up further is because Jason and JOhn are currently sharing the driving duties-e.g when the pace gets quicker, Jason will take over. I think Brock will be slipping by the end of today or tomorrow. Theres a good stage round the corner from me on friday, I'll see if I can get a digi camera-its a hillclimb with switchbacks and slippery hairpins, good spectator stage...And my main testing road. There are perks to living here :D
cheers,
floody

[floody]

This morning:

"Crashes & heavy rain at The Sideling: Leg 2 - May 15

Queensland driver John Grounds was taken to Launceston General Hospital today with minor neck injuries after flipping his Subaru Impreza on its roof in the opening stage of the second leg of Targa Tasmania. Navigator Gary Grounds was not injured in the crash, which occured in The Sideling stage, held in wet conditions.

The Nissan Skyline GTR, driven by Queensland's John Atherton also flipped on its roof during The Sideling. Atherton and navigator Ian Young, of West Australia, were not injured. Rain is falling in most areas of north-west Tasmania, where today's second leg is being held. Full report later. "

Bit of action this year.
cheers,
floody

[floody]

Should be interesting to see the results tonight- I am interested how the GT-R's will cope in the wet. One thing I'm semi certain of is that Brock's monaro will be going backwards in the standings.
It can't have sprouted awd....
cheers,
floody

[DBJURY]

Originally posted by floody
It can't have sprouted awd....

I'd be checking for it!

[Forg]

Hmm ... wossit called, Cross8? :)

[edo]

Apparently AWD might not help...the two mentioned above dont seem to have had a whole lot of assistance from it

[edo]

hehehe, go to the photo section to check out the general driving conditions...looks like someone turned off the lights in tassie!!!

[DrNick]

I thought you were racing this year Guy?

S

[floody]

Originally posted by edo
Apparently AWD might not help...the two mentioned above dont seem to have had a whole lot of assistance from it

Yeah, good call edo. Then again, it doesn't matter much which wheels are driving, when they are both in the air....

[macquered]

http://www.targa.org.au/gallery/2003/spectatorimages/day2/highres/IMG_1968.JPG

Ouch!

[edo]

Nah, I withdrew...what with moving to qld, selling & buying houses, new jobs etc I just didnt really have the time or $.

Given how successful Ive been at selling the honda so far I might do Rally Tas & Targa in it next year...:)

Doesnt look particularly pleasant...fark it the honda is good in the wet...

[bahaimus]

Bloody hell! That looks miserable!

[DBJURY]

And who's the wet weather master?

http://www.targa.org.au/gallery/2003/spectatorimages/day2/highres/08FT6710.JPG

Had to post this one!

http://www.targa.org.au/gallery/2003/spectatorimages/day2/highres/08FT6696.JPG

[floody]

To think we get this weather for targa, and almost not a drop of rain or a single cloud for the 2-3 weeks preceeding it :rolleyes:

Right now weathers pretty average down in Hobart, so it must be hell up in the Northwest where targa is.

[floody]

I had fun powersliding round in the snow in the mountains round Hobart last year, IN NOVEMBER:eek:

[edo]

Here is the difference...

Everyone (except Jim) wakes up for day 2 at targa thinking oh shiiit its going to be slippery & awful today.

Jim thinks, sweet now I wont wear out tyres & have to cop the 2 minute penalties like I did last year...

Its all in the attitude!:)

[Forg]

Originally posted by macquered
Ouch!
Nice wheels though.

[floody]

Thats it exactly Edo, I reckon you hit the nail on the head. I think we'll see Brocky disappear down the lists somewhat, and Richards will romp home, having just been handed weather which basically nullifies the GT-R's and WRX's main advantage-swapping tyres front to back to avoid the penalties Jim will get whipped with if he needs to change rears.
Should be interesting seeing how te podium works out though.
Steve Glenney seems to be going good though....
cheers,
floody

[DBJURY]

Originally posted by edo
Here is the difference...

Everyone (except Jim) wakes up for day 2 at targa thinking oh shiiit its going to be slippery & awful today.

Jim thinks, sweet now I wont wear out tyres & have to cop the 2 minute penalties like I did last year...

Its all in the attitude!:)

Tony Sullens is not one of those tarmac pansies, he's not even relatively sane by the standards of gravel boys.

He probably woke up and thought "Shit, hoped it would snow today".

I sooooo hope he finishes.

[edo]

OK then everyone except him & Jim. Ive always said a gravel team should do well...they will lose out when it gets to the faster open stuff to the dattos & porsches though.

Looking at the photos youd have to guess that snow is at least a 50% chance...

[Cal]

Shame about that Ultima.

Oh I see 2 of those poofy Peugeots in the top 100!

Cal.

[edo]

top 100 eh? Geez you went searching didnt you???:)

[edo]

Im assuming its Rex Broadbent in the GT3 up the pointy end?

If so, he is flying!!! 'Bout time he got out of that ugly old nail...

[Cal]

Hey Edo, told you I reckon a GTI6 is the cheapest way to go well at Targa.

Cal.

[edo]

No its not, my type R is.

Look $20k pug, $2k tyres, $5k cage, $2k seats, $4k min suspension, $1k harnesses, $1k terratrip, $1k brakes, $1k other safety gear.

I'll take your $37k & you will torch any GTi6...

[rolin7]

The Nissan Skyline GTR, driven by Queensland's John Atherton also flipped on its roof during The Sideling. Atherton and navigator Ian Young, of West Australia, were not injured. Rain is falling in most areas of north-west Tasmania, where today's second leg is being held. Full report later. "


now this doesnt surprise me, ive never seen a driver with less tallent and more money in my life

he once took me around mt cootha in his ferarri and he was ALL over the place... and the worst bit was he had no idea how bad he was and he honestly thought he was a superstar

[Resin]

http://www.targa.org.au/gallery/2003/spectatorimages/day2/highres/08FT6692.JPG

!!!!!

[Beavis]

That a Z06?

[smellytofu]

Originally posted by edo
No its not, my type R is.

Look $20k pug, $2k tyres, $5k cage, $2k seats, $4k min suspension, $1k harnesses, $1k terratrip, $1k brakes, $1k other safety gear.

I'll take your $37k & you will torch any GTi6...


Seems like a Magna Exec wins the cheapo entry... I can't believe that's in it... heck, I might as well put in an entry with an Hyundai Getz

[Resin]

You're doing something wrong if you're spending $5k on a roll cage and only $2k on tyres...

The vette is Brian Leroyd, 2000 model :D

[edo]

With your vast experience in this type of event???

You are limited to one set of tyres...so $500 each is enough.

A roll cage should be the worst investment you ever make but it may well become the best. The chromoly welded in 10 point cage in my type R is worth $8k. Personally I wouldnt want to face those big tassie gumtrees in much less.

[Grumpy Rooster]

Originally posted by edo
A roll cage should be the worst investment you ever make but it may well become the best. The chromoly welded in 10 point cage in my type R is worth $8k. Personally I wouldnt want to face those big tassie gumtrees in much less.

The reason why I think I would never do a tarmac rally. The thought of coming off at those speeds into those trees just scares the $hit out of me!!!!

[DBJURY]

1. J. Richards (Vic)-B. Oliver (Tas) Porsche 911 8:28
2. T. Quinn (Qld)-K. Wenn (Tas) Porsche 911 9:23
3. R. Broadbent-M. Goedheer (Vic) Porsche 911 9:25
4. T. Sullens-J. Rabbett (NSW) Subaru Impreza WRX 9:31
5. S. Glennie-C. Lang (SA) Nissan Skyline GTR 9:39
6. G. Garwood-M. Perry (Tas) Porsche 911 9:59
7. L. Rattray-T. Jackson (Tas) Subaru Impreza WRX 10:51
8. P. Bradbury-A. Bullard (NSW) Porsche 911 11:06
9. S. Hoinville-R. Williams (Vic) BA Ford Falcon XR6 11:21
10. K. Burke-N. Botha (NSW) Porsche 911 11:45

As usual, it's an interesting fight for second.

Brock ran out of fuel, so did Richards Jnr.

Guess what's leading *ALL* the showroom classes edo?

[edo]

Well it should be John Potter (GT2) but John is super cruisey & relaxed, so then it should be Winston Kim (996TT) but given we passed him in the honda in RT it probably isnt. I dont know who Ralph Krippner (GT3) is but he would be next in line.
Others in the class I know...Id say Lynn Rattray in his shitbox?

Where are you getting your results from?

I want to check the progress of a few people...

[DBJURY]

Those results are from the latest media release, the only others they gave were:

15. M. Taylor-B. Humphrey (NSW) BA Ford Falcon XR6 12:48
27. P. Brock-A. Gigney (Vic) Motorola Holden Monaro 14:43
45. C. Bond (NSW)-M. Walker GB) Toyota Camry Sportivo 17:33
64. C. McConville-G. Warwick (Vic) Motorola Holden Astra SRi 21:39
76. S. Richards-G. Bashford (Vic) Motorola Holden Monaro 29:35
83. Jason White-John White (Tas) Nissan Skyline GTR 7:45:43

"Tasmanians Jason and John White, who finished third in the 2002 rally, finished today's leg outside the top 80 after receiving hefty time penalties for missing control points in their Nissan Skyline GTR. Jason White said an appeal would be made for a derived time on stages where the penalties arose from. At present their penalty time stands at 7-hrs 45-mins 43-secs."

[edo]

Oh, thats no good! I wanted to look at the classic results...

Giving credit where its due, Rattrays drive so far is bloody awesome...a bog stock STI in 7th is amazing.

[Forg]

Originally posted by YEL020
The reason why I think I would never do a tarmac rally. The thought of coming off at those speeds into those trees just scares the $hit out of me!!!!
Truth be known, when I went & watched Targa in '95 & it wasn't quite as expensive (though it was heading that way), it did look possible to go down there & not push all that hard & not win but have a damned good time. Dunno if that culture has changed, though.

[edo]

Forg, once youre out of the top 30 or so in modern & top 15 in classic its pretty cruisey. In the end you do have to take a few steps back & realise that it really isnt worth risking life & limb in something like this. No one cares really who wins, there arent keys to any sheepstation hanging at the finish & really everyone is there just to have fun.
I have had an absolute ball every year at Rally Tas (except the year I crashed...that wasnt fun & Ive decided not to do that again) & although we do Ok its much more a process of being smooth & neat than anything else. I can say that other than '98 I dont think we have had any of those sudden deep breath type moments. We hover around 20 - 25 outright in modern & always get 1st or 2nd in class.

I have introduced a few circuit guys to tarmac rallying though & they tried it once & declared it the stupidest thing ever...:)

[Grumpy Rooster]

A mate of mine, who is a total nutter on anything with wheels, was a navigator in a HK Monaro in the East Coast Classic.

They had no mishaps but he will never do it again.......

[FLI355]

Targa is one of the things I want to do before I die. Want to be my navigator Darren? :)

[Stang]

I love Targa Tassie, even though it's only 1 car at a time I find it much more interesting to watch than V8 Supercars etc. I'd love to do it myself, all I need now is a car and a few hundred grand...

[MaximaSTouring]

Originally posted by smellytofu
Seems like a Magna Exec wins the cheapo entry... I can't believe that's in it... heck, I might as well put in an entry with an Hyundai Getz

Not to mention Colin Bond and Murray Walkers Camry...

[edo]

I think the Magna & Camry are forerunners of the Cardigan category...

Stang, you dont even need one hundred grand let alone a few...
If you did it on a mega budget you would get away with $10-$12k plus the car...remember my quick $17k above is able to be added to pretty much any eligiable car as a minimum...

[Grumpy Rooster]

FLI...

I've followed you through the Nasho remember.

Not on your life! :p

[FLI355]

If I was gunna do it, it wouldn't be in a commodore thats for sure. a nice 1600 with SR20DET would be fun :)

[DBJURY]

Originally posted by edo
Giving credit where its due, Rattrays drive so far is bloody awesome...a bog stock STI in 7th is amazing.

Imagine how well he'd go in a 200SX!

(You know, without that heatsink)

[edo]

FLI, youd be needing to read the rules...no hope of running that.

DB, yep, or an evo lancer...or anything good really...

Im going back to thinking classic might be the most fun...

[bahaimus]

Originally posted by FLI355
If I was gunna do it, it wouldn't be in a commodore thats for sure. a nice 1600 with SR20DET would be fun :)

Wouldn't be legal for Targa Tassie though. Rally Tas perhaps.....

*edit*
Yeah, what frEDO said.

[MR-PUNANNY]

I see 2 supras running, The crossover car, how did that go last year? Go the CAMRY! :D

[edo]

Rally Tas is now same rules as targa.

Craig dean got 10th last year in the supra

[bahaimus]

Originally posted by edo
Rally Tas is now same rules as targa.


Why did they do that? Cars getting too fast?

[floody]

Well, the weather is clear, it rained here in Hobart last night, and early this morning, so the roads will be semi greasy but nothing like yesterday. Should make for an interesting day of competition. I'm not a tasmanian, but I'm disappointed to hear about the White's in their R34, they looked like doing REAL well up to that point. Anyway the cars will start coming by my house in about an hour, even if it is just a bloody porsche parade.. :p I'll tell you whos looking quick when I come back from Ridgeway park, final stage of the day, a hillclimb up from where I live. Should be slippery, greeasy in the shady parts, and gravelly round the hairpins....Excellent :D
Just as well I was able to swing a day off uni.....
cheers,
floody

[edo]

Lots of biiiig crashes in 2000 & 2001. Also the FIA made a rule for all rallies worldwide that average speeds for the fastest car on any stage would be less than 136kph (or 132? cant remember).

Some of the 'specials' were awful close to that so they had to adopt a set of rules, targas were there. They also introduced chicanes in several of the longer straight bits...

[FLI355]

I thought there was a modified class? I'm sure I saw a torana in it one year with a 355 stroker injected motor in it. Maybe the rules have changed since then?

Oh well probably an evo lancer then :)

[bahaimus]

The scope for mods is becoming tighter each year from what I've read.

Evo Lancer must me bone stock.

[FLI355]

What are acceptable mods? Brocks car has exhaust and computer mods and a bit more too I think.

[edo]

FLI, Im guessing you saw O'keefes SLR torana, its actually carbied but mega fast. Old cars are allowed more mods but you cant run a modern engine in a '70 car.

Bahaimus, Regs are getting tighter, many cars running this year wont be allowed back in their current form.

evo does not have to be bone stock...

Regs are all downloadable at www.targa.org.au

[DBJURY]

Lancers don't have to be stock, that's only for the showroom class and even then you can make some changes.

Brock's car.. who knows.. money talks (or keeps people quiet).

Obviously if you can't afford to buy a Porsche, the thing to have is a Subaru.

[bahaimus]

Yeah I read them, then I put them in the bin, because my wife was going to divorce me.

I thought the Evo was lumped in the showroom class with the Sti?

Might have to read them again.....secretly.......

*edit*

Maybe when I said bone stock, I should have said mostly stock.

[DBJURY]

Originally posted by bahaimus
I thought the Evo was lumped in the showroom class with the Sti?

There are EVOs entered in both limited modified and showroom class.

Look down the bottom of the leaderboard and you'll find them.

[edo]

Cars fit in lots of different classes, depending on the level of mods.

DB, Youre a wanker...give Rattray an evo, or a 200sx or whatever & he will do well

[bahaimus]

But isn't the subaru limited to the showroom class only?

[edo]

No.

[bahaimus]

I stand corrected.

[Turbo4WD]

XR6T is doing well for a aussie made family car - Maybe you could offset your entry fee's in a car like that by selling rides in the back and offering to carry spares for other cars in the boot :)

[itsnotagsr]

Originally posted by bahaimus
The scope for mods is becoming tighter each year from what I've read.

Evo Lancer must me bone stock.

Suspension, brakes and tyres are free. Boost and exhaust must be stock.

The whites got 3rd outright in a stock(ish) evo 7. I think you will find that the sti running this year has been similarly modified.

The whites did so well last year because they didnt necessarily have the most powerful car (read GTR/Supra with massive turbos etc), but they knew how to get the best out of what they had. I would like to see a return to the winner being the best engineered car rather than the one with the most money who can afford a GT3/911T or GTR.

[DBJURY]

It's quite simple, there are two classes in which you can enter a WRX or Lancer. Roll up with a stocker and you can enter the showroom class, change a few too many things and you're in the limited modified class.

The wrx coming 4th is limited modified, the one coming 7th is showroom. They are the same (base) car in completely separate classes.

Same goes for the Porsches, there are Porsches in limited modified and also Porsches in showroom. Wouldn't someone rolling up in a GT3 sort of mean they had a pretty well engineered car? They were just smart enough to buy one that was well engineered by the factory!

[pp]

Edo, did you notice who was navigating for Potter? Anthony got the ride and I expect him to rev John up a bit - at least that is what I told him to do! John has also been working a bit on his fitness for the longer stages - but he admits he is in it mostly for fun!

[edo]

John would be a heap of fun, he is going super slow in a GT2 though!!!:) Probably doesnt like the wet too much.

Just spoke to a few guys in Tassie & everyone was bitching about Brockys car up until it ran out of fuel. Its apparently mega fast...quicker than everything in the straight bits!!! The Whites have had it timed from a helicopter in various sections & compared it with the other quick cars.

Over 40 cars went off the road yesterday in varying degrees.

Steve Coads HQ monaro broke an axle yesterday & went off later in the day & got bogged...they are running way back now.

[DBJURY]

Hmmm...

Let's just say that a car was a big fat cheater, but that the entrant had paid the organisors a few big bags of money. Now to disqualify that car would be pretty bad kharma.. If only there was some way it could drop out of the top 10.. That would make the other competitors happy and still not embarrass the sponsor too much.

Just a thought.

[bahaimus]

Originally posted by edo
The Whites have had it timed from a helicopter in various sections & compared it with the other quick cars.

:eek:

See, there is just too much money involved.

[edo]

DB, Get this, they (Brocky & Steve Richards) stopped 100m apart in the stage!!! Apparently Stevens wasnt anywhere near as fast so why plan for both of them to keel over??? Weird.

Bahaimus, Yes, thats what I thought...I asked twice & they definately said helicopter!!!

[bahaimus]

Maybe the fact that one Monaro stopped introduced a disurbance in the synergystic relationship between the two and caused the other one to go out in sympathy. Maybe the polariser was farked.

[edo]

From what I could tell the only thing that was polarised was the other competitors against brocky...

Funny isnt it? He is one of Australias best ever drivers & yet it seems he has to stretch the rules to stay with what mostly are in reality amature weekend worriors...

[Forg]

Well, he does always choose an inadequate vehicle, purely due to the badge on it.

[bahaimus]

In the sponsor list, Holden is the only vehicle manufacturer. In fact, the only other automotive industry related sponsors are Shannons and Budget. *edit* oh and tasfuel - looks like a division of BP

Why would Holden feel the need to attract the attention of Holden/Monaro enthusiasts to Targa with a vehicle that might comply to a slightly different set of rules? Most of them probably couldn't give a shit about the event. In fact most Australians probably don't.

[DBJURY]

Originally posted by Forg
Well, he does always choose an inadequate vehicle, purely due to the badge on it.

That would explain why he drove the super tourer that he did.

[edo]

I think your Holden/Monaro enthusiasts do give a shit about the event when their favourite car is keeping up with the Porsches.

Even now they can claim that he "wooda wunnit" if it hadnt been for running out of fuel (which Ive got to say is unforgivable by a team that was clearly serious).

If Brocky was running 28th or something, youre right the Monaro boys wouldnt have given a crap about the event

[Forg]

Regardless of the effectiveness of the publicity campaign, a lot of the people who're interested in Targa are people who have the income to buy something like, say, a Monaro.


DBJURY, I knee-jerk reacted by thinking you were referring to a Volvo, but then remembered he was in those no-hoper Vectras for a while. :)

[Chipper]

Originally posted by DBJURY
That would explain why he drove the super tourer that he did.

Dont you mean rolled?

:)

[DBJURY]

Jim is doing everything he has to (surprise).

Brock's Monaro appears to be waaaay fast (surprise).

McConville's Astra has suddenly found a lot of speed (perhaps that's where Brock's good fuel went).

The Sullens WRX appears to have had a problem on Oyster Cove and dropped almost 30 seconds to the Porsche pack.

The Whites are on a charge (surprise).

[Cal]

Do any of you guys know how to get hold of any of the competitors you know running this year? The reason I ask is I am interested in one of those 10 year books. The normal price is $160. They are for sale at Targa HQ for $65. I don't have a mobile number for the couple of crews I know. Let me know if you do and maybe something could be worked out.

Cheers,

Cal.

[HSV Senator]

Just out of curiosity isnt the XR6T factory backed aswell?

[DBJURY]

Originally posted by HSV Senator
Just out of curiosity isnt the XR6T factory backed aswell?

Yes, they are.

[HSV Senator]

Interesting that both manufacturers have an interest in a good result in Targa. Although I think Holden has been sending factory backed acars to Targa for a while, I seem to recall a VN Group A competing in the early 90s and of course Brockys efforts in the ute and Monaro over the last few years.

[smellytofu]

Originally posted by MaximaSTouring
Not to mention Colin Bond and Murray Walkers Camry...


At least the Camry didn't have steel wheels and caps on it.... it at least looked "sporty" in its own way.

[dirtyrex]

Originally posted by edo
I think your Holden/Monaro enthusiasts do give a shit about the event when their favourite car is keeping up with the Porsches.

Even now they can claim that he "wooda wunnit" if it hadnt been for running out of fuel (which Ive got to say is unforgivable by a team that was clearly serious).

If Brocky was running 28th or something, youre right the Monaro boys wouldnt have given a crap about the event

Exactly. Holden were only interested in winning, thus entering a car which "should" beat everything else. No one cares who comes second, but Holden would've made sure everyone knew if they won.

[crYnOid]

A couple of things. First, one of the private XR6T teams has left the comp after the navigator was found to be over 3x the legal alcohol limit.

Queensland navigator Tony Lightowler was ruled ineligible to compete today after alcohol was detected in his system from compulsory breathalyser tests in Launceston. All drivers and navigators in the event are tested daily for blood-alcohol levels.

Lightowler had been navigating in a privately-entered BA Ford Falcon XR6 turbo, driven by Sydney's Matthew Charlwood. They had been 52nd at the end of the second leg.

The result of the test meant Lightowler was automatically unable to compete today. Charlwood then withdrew from the event and returned to Sydney. He was also tested, but no alcohol was detected in his system.

"This was our third Targa together," said Charlwood. "We had fantastic sponsors, and a brand new BA Falcon so it's very embarrassing. I've done nothing wrong and I'm terribly disappointed. I've spent about $25,000 in making this trip for Targa and now it's all been wasted."

Rob McGuire, General Manager Tasmania for Octagon, the promoters of Targa, said that the event was zero tolerance for alcohol for drivers and navigators.

"Targa has an excellent safety record, and all competitors are made aware of the rules and regulations under which we operate and will enforce," said McGuire.

and, to help brockly out someone made a helpfull sign :D
http://www.targa.org.au/gallery/2003/spectatorimages/day3/highres/Brock%27s%20Petrol%20Sign-e.jpg

[Turbo4WD]

Lol - love that pic. Classic

Im no big monaro fan but it would have been nice to see someone beat richards for once - cut that poppy down to size in aussie fashion ;)

I dont think its going to happen this year though - hey why didnt Holden run an Astra turbo?

[Stang]

I don't think they've been released yet...and imagine driving a convertible in all that rain...

[crYnOid]

They are running an Astra turbo in targa :rolleyes:

18. C. McConville-G. Warwick (Vic) Motorola Holden Astra SRi 18:24

18th at the end of day 3.

http://www.targa.org.au/gallery/2003/spectatorimages/day1/hires/08FT6421.jpg

[Beavis]

So what's the story with that navigator bloke having a BAC >0? I mean, surely that's one of teh dumbest things, like, evar?

[Turbo4WD]

Lol - the drunk navigator is kinda funny - course no australian road rule has been broken because on friday night half the cars in Australia have drunk "navigators" - well the drunks like to think of themselves as navigators while the designated driver drives them home :) ...

But it would seriously suck for the driver because they rely on the navigator to tell them what the next corner or whatever is going to be like - has anyone done tests on the effects of drunk navigating?

As for the Astra turbo - lol the big "turbo" on the bumper kinda gives it away - the reason I ask is that all the lists published so far have just called it a "Astra SRi" instead of "Astra turbo" or "Astra SRi Turbo"

Looks like its doing well too :) .. good stuff when will the dealers have them?

[GSR Dave]

Originally posted by edo
I think your Holden/Monaro enthusiasts do give a shit about the event when their favourite car is keeping up with the Porsches.

Even now they can claim that he "wooda wunnit" if it hadnt been for running out of fuel (which Ive got to say is unforgivable by a team that was clearly serious).

If Brocky was running 28th or something, youre right the Monaro boys wouldnt have given a crap about the event

stop commenting on motorsport...u know nothing on the subject!!

and just pay your procar fees

:D :D

[DBJURY]

1. J. Richards (Vic)-B. Oliver (Tas) Porsche 911 22:30
2. S. Glenney-C. Lang (SA) Nissan Skyline GTR 23:40
3. R. Broadbent-M. Goedheer (Vic) Porsche 911 24:09
4. G. Garwood-M. Perry (Tas) Porsche 911 25:01
5. T. Quinn (Qld)-K. Wenn (Tas) Porsche 911 25:52
6. P. Brock-A. Gigney (Vic) Motorola Holden Monaro 29:04
7. L. Rattray-T. Jackson (Tas) Subaru Impreza WRX 30:00
8. K. Burke-N. Botha (NSW) Porsche 911 30:28
9. P. Blackie-I. Ranson (Vic) Porsche 911 30:41
10. S. Hoinville-R. Williams (Vic) BA Ford Falcon XR6 32:13

[floody]

You know the most amazing thing about Richo winning this time round?
At the end of yesterday, Glenney had finally carved his lead back from 1:30 to 15 seconds, then today, he goes out and basically regains the lead he had pulled over the first 3 days....
Teh porka can neva be beated!!!!
and, funnily enough, teh GTR lost....
Also, a 1969 Dastun 1600 (1800, technically) won classic outright, sucked in porsche/healey owners!!! Good work Copeland/Siddins!!!
cheers,
floody

[kabab]

w00t GTR 2nd !! :D

Now if only they would let them go nuts and have no rules on modifications :D

[Brad]

A Holden is quick and suddenly all you turbo freaks crack the shits and start talking about people cheating. Damn stooges :p

Maybe it's just because PETER BROCK IS GOD.

[edo]

Spot the newbie...

Not even a god can make a monaro faster than a TT Porsche in a straight line...especially when another god is in the porka

[CussCuss]

Originally posted by kabab
w00t GTR 2nd !! :D

Now if only they would let them go nuts and have no rules on modifications :D

*cough* RUF *cough*

or better yet http://www.supercars.net/cars/2002@$Gemballa@$GTR%20750%20EVOg.html

[DBJURY]

Showroom Class:

1. Rattray / Jackson 2002 Subaru Impreza Sti 7.30
2. McConville / Warwick 2003 Holden Astra Sri Turbo 11.24
3. Morello / Fong 2002 Subaru Impreza Sti 14.07
4. Kim / Pitt 2001 Porsche 911 Turbo 20.32
5. Wannop / Thomas 2000 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME 27.59


Classic:

1. G. Copeland / J. Siddins Datsun H510 22:09
2. G. Taylor / L. Harper Porsche 911 30:26
3. B. Dermott / L. Dermott Austin Healey 3000 31:06


edo,

Anyone can make a Monaro faster than a 911TT, but it's takes lots of sponsorship money not to get caught.

How much power is an Astra turbo supposed to have?

[edo]

I think an Astra turbo is about 200hp or 145kw ish...I think that one might be a particularly good one?

Great drives from Rattray (that is apparently a very good showroom STi from what I have now been told), Copeland again (lets hope they dont find him with a dodgy diff this time), & Dermott for being able to tolerate a healey for 6 days!!!:)

[kabab]

Originally posted by CussCuss
*cough* RUF *cough*

or better yet http://www.supercars.net/cars/2002@$Gemballa@$GTR%20750%20EVOg.html
*cough* Mines R34 *cough*

What happened to the evo's ???

[edo]

No one particularly talented had one this year.

[DBJURY]

Almost every GTR was entered as a V-Spec N1. I guess that means they have some good bits on them. Given that out of a dozen entered, only one cracked the top ten.. perhaps they do need more freedoms to be competitive? I don't think so, the rules are pretty much spot on now IMO. They just have make sure everyone sticks to them!


As for the EVOs, here's how they did:

14. 933 Rooklyn - Long 2001 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VII RS 9LMSB 12.18
31. 943 Wannop - Thomas 2000 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME 9SRF 26.45
33. 836 Fuller - Cole 1995 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution III RS 8LMSB 27.11
35. 927 Higgins - McLagan 2001 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME 9LMSB 27.59

[DBJURY]

Another interesting result:

21. 920 Hadley / Fisher 2001 Honda Integra Type R 9LMSA 1998 0:41.57 19.27

[MR-PUNANNY]

Where is Craig Deans SUPRAT Supra? He came 10th outright last year.

[DBJURY]

88. 965 Dean / Dean 1998 Toyota Supra RZ 9LMSD 5094 18:39.05 18:16.35

[Cal]

Originally posted by DBJURY
Another interesting result:

21. 920 Hadley / Fisher 2001 Honda Integra Type R 9LMSA 1998 0:41.57 19.27

Yeah I thought that was pretty good going too. Got me thinking about Edo's car again. Pity I can't afford it.

Cal.

[edo]

I do trade ins!!!

[Brad]

pfffft, newbie? More like MCCR Stooge... hehhe

There was a bit on RPM about Targa last weekend and Im pretty sure there is a full wrap up this weekend.

[Cal]

Originally posted by edo
I do trade ins!!!

Oh ok..........I'm sure you really want a Pug, an old Toyota, a Mini, 2 karts, a bicycle........umm what else, a racing simulator, a little furniture.......about 3 stubbies in the fridge. Maybe the stubbies? I'm still way short of the mark. :p

Cal.