motorcycle section

[ALLMTR]

Please......

[Beavis]

http://www.antilag.org/albums/xtreme/IMG_2663.jpg

[crx2gen]

Second that motion.

[VQ304]

I hardly see any bike related threads here anyway :confused:

[T T Celica]

Chuck,
Also need a 4WD section for all us wheelers out there:D :D

....and buy 4wd's i DONT mean WRX's, EVO's, etc:rolleyes:

Phill

[carazy]

Stick your yanktank section!
Yeah I like the idea of a bike section but we don't really have a "car" section either it's all just thrown in the mix.
Just leave it as it is.
If you chop it up to much it slows down the amount of info being thrown around as not everone wants to go through every forum.

Ford forums divided up the site for differance cars and now the sites a mess.

[260DET]

The same thing could be accomplished by having two IQ sections, under 100's go to ..........................:lol:

[macquered]

These are both good ideas, but I reckon carazy is right in saying it can clutter the place up. Best solution would be to give some of the existing sections the flick. Some of them probably could and should be combined.

This issue has been raised a few times before and nothing has been done about it. Don't hold your breath but hopefully the admins are reading this and will act on it.

[crx2gen]

Originally posted by carazy
Ford forums divided up the site for differance cars and now the sites a mess.

For the sanctity of this thread and the hope that it remains unlocked, I won't comment on that one :D

I think you'll find there is a core of riders on here who would be more than happy to contribute general knowledge, opinions on test rides, favourite stretches, and stories to hell and gone. Who knows, we might all learn a thing or two along the way.

[jez]

I completely support a bike section - crx2gen has some good points about what would be in it...

I reckon it would promote a fair bit more discussion about bikes as it seems like there are plenty of us here.

I suggest one rule though: People who ask "What's the quickest 250?" get instant bannage :)

[Forg]

We could run a running count (or percentage of membership) for hospitalisations & deaths & stuff!

[rj-astra]

We could run a running count (or percentage of membership) for hospitalisations & deaths & stuff!


How droll :P

[crx2gen]

Originally posted by jez
I suggest one rule though: People who ask "What's the quickest 250?" get instand bannage :)

Honda RS250 from memory, but not 100% :D

Forg: Should we cross-reference that with Volvo deaths involving small marsupials, to further skew the data :p

[Forg]

Originally posted by crx2gen
Forg: Should we cross-reference that with Volvo deaths involving small marsupials, to further skew the data :p
If I was to scream "ARMAGEDDON", would that
(a) be taking quite a different tack (a tackier tack) to the one intended, and
(b) be stepping over any lines?
:D

[PoOKiE]

www.overclockers.com.au/mc

theres the bike section...

[crx2gen]

Originally posted by Forg
If I was to scream "ARMAGEDDON", would that
(a) be taking quite a different tack (a tackier tack) to the one intended, and
(b) be stepping over any lines?
:D

:D

Ok, we'll leave the gerbils AND wombats out.

[cheddo7]

I'm all for a bike section also.
Cheddo.
(Retired GP crash dummy, name a corner of any aussie track i havent tasted tarmac - and you may get a prize...)

[2ofdem]

Turn 1 Queensland Raceway.

[cheddo7]

Okay, you got me there - never raced there!
Your prize is - a 1983 camira i need removed from my property!
haha.

[cheddo7]

This could be a great way to clear out all the shit i've got laying around!

[Nucci]

I think this topic has been brought up before, I think it's a valid point. But I agree that it might create an added burden on the resources running this site.

Perhaps something the powers that be should ponder...

[Sir Revalot]

I support the opening of a new bikes only section 100%!!

I'll be getting one again soon! Can't wait..

It's a choice between a GSX-R1000 or a CBR929RR (or 954RR) whatever comes up when I get the cash..

Either way it'll be a lotta fun!!

BTW PoOKiE, Cheerz for the overclockers bike forum link..

I found another one in my searches, but it's a US site:
http://www.4sportbikes.net/

Anyone know any other good aussie bike forums??

[cheddo7]

www.mcnews.com.au has a forum, but it's a common 10-20 guys chatting all the time.

[crx2gen]

Seen the new CBR1000RR Sir Revalot?

[Sir Revalot]

Not until you mentioned it crx2gen..

Just googled up an image of one.. Horn looking bike!!

http://www.motardsfous.ch/images/new2004/cbr1000rr.jpg

In this case, a nice lookin' ass on the seat too.. :p

Unfortunately, due to financial constraints, that bike would be out of the question. I'm pretty sure one of the above bikes I mentioned (esp the GSX-R1000) would be nuts enough though!! :eek: :D

Cheers for the mcnews link Cheddo7.. I've been on that site a bit more as of late as well. Some great info there!!!

[crx2gen]

Yeah, couldn't complain with a 9-sec Gixer. The new 1000RR looks mighty fine in the matt black/silver motif, but I still prefer the slightly different appeal of the 600RR

[Sir Revalot]

A guy at work has a CBR600F4 (the 2003 model) in red and white.. It looks sweet and sounds really good too..

CBR600F4 pic (http://www.mcnews.com.au/Wallpaper/Honda/CBR600/2001/B_1024x768.jpg)

I test rode an '02 GSX-R600 and whilst it was an awesome bike to ride - especially in the handling and braking depts, I found that it was comparable to a quick 250 in the way that you have to keep the revs right up in order to maintain any useable power out of it.

I love the low-down torque and the rush of acceleration of a big bore sportsbike and it is a lot more useable on the street. On the track, there's not always a lot between the 600s and the 1000s - it all tends to come down to rider skill..

[Nucci]

CBR600F4i are a very nice bike, The 2004 model has the old style 1 piece seat, and looks a bit comfier than the 01-03 model. I am tossing up between one of a F4i, a VFR800 or a Gixxer 750.

My zedzed doesn't do it for me anymore, but has served me well :)

[Sir Revalot]

I know what u mean Nucci..

When I first bought my RGV250, I thought WOW this is great. After a while tho, I longed not only for more power, but for MUCH more torque!! It too served me well and was very reliable for an 'unreliable 2-stroke'... :rolleyes:

If I were you, out of those 3 you've chosen it'd be a hard decision between the F4i and the GSX-R. I'd prolly go the Gixxer (that's cause I love 'em.. :p) but after briefly reading the review of the CBR600F4i I'd have to ride one first then make the choice as it looks like they've done a lot of R&D to make a seriously wicked bike! I think you'll find that the VFR and GSX-R will still be a bit more torquey down low..

[mitsuwagnz]

There's bike forums around. Try the overclokers forum. :) :)

**deleted NWS images**

:D

[sv_i]

Originally posted by Forg
We could run a running count (or percentage of membership) for hospitalisations & deaths & stuff!

and how many riders have been forced off their bikes by fuddy duddy bloody volvo drivers changing lanes without looking?:p

[SoarinMZ20]

BRING ON THE BIKE SECTION !

My little brother just got a CBR250RR, man, its only a 250, but whoa, revving out to 19,000rpm !! Shaaawinngg! =) hehe

[mitsuwagnz]

Originally posted by mitsuwagnz
**deleted NWS images**


ahhhh biatch - didn't think they were not work safe..... :(

just chicks in bikini's on bikes..... :D :D :D

[Sir Revalot]

Yeah they weren't too work safe Mitsuwagnz. I know I'd get in trouble for looking at them whilst @ work! I had this thread open when the images were there whilst my supervisor was behind me. I had to quickly scroll back up again!! :D

Yeah bring on the Bike section. I registered and now post frequently on the Overclockers Motorbike forum, but it'd be good to have a Bike section here to discuss Bikes with fellow PF Motorcycle enthusiasts!

[Revhead]

What's the fastest 250?

... :D

My brother races a CBR250R, it's a bloody screamer! His road bike is an '03 R6. Very nice bike, but doesn't have enough torque for my liking. Very quick in the top end, just nothing down low. Even so, it still feels like a monster after taking the 250 for a strap :)

It's a choice between a GSX-R1000 or a CBR929RR (or 954RR) whatever comes up when I get the cash..
You won't be disappointed with any of these bikes. I currently have a 929 and, although it's not as mental as the big Gixxer, it's still plenty quick enough for things to get very illegal, very quickly, with five gears to go :p 954 is more of the same

Either way it'll be a lotta fun!!
Dayum straight! And most factory litre bikes have forgies as standard now, and respond very well to turbocharging...

[rolin7]

bike section you say...

could be worth a go... let me put it to the other mod's

[Vicko]

Yeah I guess it'd be another one to look at if there was a bike only section. And yes the F4i is a decent bike. What it lacks in character it makes up for in rideability.

Doesn't mean you can't want something else though :)

[Forg]

Originally posted by sv_i
and how many riders have been forced off their bikes by fuddy duddy bloody volvo drivers changing lanes without looking?:p
Tsk tsk tsk ... so many people just assume inattention rather than malice ...
:D

A mate of mine was looking at getting a bike for a while, until the combo of a shiny new PC and the then-new Diablo caught his eye instead. Tim's name became Hair Pizza Tim for a coupla years after as a result ... :)

[itsnotagsr]

Bring it on also!

*looks at 1942 Harley WLA and 1963 Norton sitting in garage* :D

Not everyone likes bikes for speed.....

[Revhead]

Not everyone likes bikes for speed.....
Nah, some people like stunting too... :D

They're classics, any pics?

[edo]

Ive been told to go ride a HD V rod before I buy another bike...hmmm I never really saw myself as a harley owner

[The Pupat]

bahaha Edo on a Harley now that would be funny.... nearly as funny as him on a Triumph.

[edo]

You on a scooter would be funnier than either!

I wont own a triumph...no pommy crap ever again.

A Harley is an icon...not sure thats what Im after but everyone Ive spoken to who has ridden a V rod says that they are great to ride, totally different to other HD's. ie they go, they stop & they handle...

[bahaimus]

Push starting a bike eats a dick. Stupid Ducati's and their parking light key position.

[Nucci]

A V Rod eh. Still a harley, just now fuel injected, a fake tank and a Judge Dredd ish look.

Bucket

[edo]

No pushrods anymore though...& its completely different to the rest of the lineup

[bahaimus]

I got my big bike license on a Harley. Slow, heavy and didn't handle. But they are not about that anyway.

But was definitely comfortable and cruzey. I got off after a two hour ride with no aches or pains whatsoever. Oh, apart from the buzzing in my hands from vibration transmission........:D

[edo]

All of which a V rod apparently isnt...except for comfortable & cruisey that is

[The Pupat]

Originally posted by edo
You on a scooter would be funnier than either!


Harsh... but true. :rolleyes:

No matter which century Harley has decided to enter still can't see you in that Harley image Edo.

[gav]

bring on the bike section :-D i've got a 91 zzr600 and about to sell my 83 rz250 atm..... hmmmmmm - anyone want to buy a classic 2 stroker 250?? ;-)

damn 600 is in bits tho - awaiting 2nd gear :-/

[Revhead]

Edo, thought about something like a CB1300 or GSX1400? Bike cube nekkid bikes, less power than the Gixxer but bucketloads of torque. The look more sensible ("but it's a cruiser, darling") and are more comfortable than a full-on sportsbike, but still have a nice short wheelbase and decent suspension, so they corner (and wheelie) with the best of them.

If you do go for something Harley-ish, for God's sake don't be tempted to buy anything but a full-face helmet...

[edo]

Originally posted by The Pupat
Harsh... but true. :rolleyes:

No matter which century Harley has decided to enter still can't see you in that Harley image Edo.

Yeah but it'd be a lot less scary than the GSXR1000 was...

Besides, I could grow a beard...get some tatts, wear more leather & stop washing...

[Vicko]

You started washing..?

[Vicko]

Hey Edo have you tried the new XB12R/S yet?

[edo]

Revhead, I rode an XJR1300 (the ohlins equipped one) just before xmas & that helped me decide what I didnt want.
I might be tempted into a 900 hornet or a Z1...but Im after character (that said Im not so sure what that is). So its gotta look good, sound good & most importantly make me feel good.

Im still thinking 749 duke but could be swayed away from the sportsbike thing if it felt right.
I rode a new buell (900 & 1200) & they are tough totally flickable great handling & stopping wheelie pigs. Just a touch too unsophisticated in the vibe dept. Monster torque from 0 revs though...

[Beavis]

edo: Get an Aprilia Tuono, if you can handle looking at one.

[Revhead]

What about one of these? Would suit you perfectly:

http://members.optushome.com.au/turbo202/Post/Tool.jpg

:D

So you're sorta after a sportsbike that isn't a sportsbike... something that handles, stops, goes (albeit a bit less psychotically than the gsxr). 4cyl, V twin, V4? Big cubes? Torque or power? Long distance or not?

Duke would be fantastic. Hornet and Fazer are damn fine bikes, and up there in the hooligan stakes too. Haven't ridden one, but I hear the Buell Firebolts are a heap of fun. If you want character you'll need a big cruiser or a naked/semi-naked bike. Or something that breaks down all the time... :)

[The Pupat]

Triumph....

[Vicko]

Chris - Mmmmmm Tuono.... Hey did I ever tell you how good a VFR800 motor in a CBR600RR frame would be..?

[edo]

MV Brutale?

[Nucci]

MV Brutale is good but too pricey, apparently the new 1000ss/ds duke is a real good thing. A smarter day to day bike then a 749/999.

How about a Cagiva Raptor?

[edo]

I think the SS Dukes are as ugly as hell.
I wouldnt mind one of the old model ones...the FE but they arent particularly easy to find, they probably arent that good either...

Raptor is too ordinary, V raptor might be OK though...suspect aesthetics...

[rj-astra]

Just get a 749. Supposedly they can just about stay with the current crop of 600s :P

[edo]

And that is precisely what I care about the least.
If that was my priority do you think I would have sold the GSXR1000???

[rj-astra]

If that was my priority do you think I would have sold the GSXR1000???

When people say "character" it gets me all worried. Usually means a sub-standard bike (in some way or other) they spend $$$$$ on getting up to an acceptable standard before selling.

A GSXR1000 has character... i rode one and it scared the crap out of me. If that isn't character I don't know what is :)

My new ZX6R has a tinge of character that the old zx6r never had. Not sure if it is due to the slighty uncomfortable riding position,stiff suspension, naff instruments or because it rewards (not sure how to put it into words) you when you really flog the crap out of it.

[Revhead]

A slower, easier-to-ride bike can easily be faster than a more powerful, hard-to-ride bike. Look at Rossi's bike - they reckon one of the biggest things that helped it stay at the front was that they'd sacrificed a tiny bit of handling for a heap of rider feedback. Oh, and Rossi was on it :)

Just get a 749. Supposedly they can just about stay with the current crop of 600s :p
And that is precisely what I care about the least
It seems old age is catching up at an alarming rate :D

[edo]

Im concerned about character in the same way.
If an english car has character it usually means its rusty & leaks oil, if an italian car has character it means it either wont start or wont idle...

But, having driven a few later (ie without the previous type of character) Ferraris (355, 360 & 550) & knowing that my honda was faster than the 355 at least at PI, there is more to this character thing than meets the eye.
A 355 sounds awesome sure but it also make you feel good, something that no Jap or german car I have ever driven (and Ive driven most) can do, not to that extent anyway.
Its not about going fast or scaring the crap out of yourself, or the instruments etc etc...its about the feeling you get.

So, thats what my next bike has to give me...

[Slain]

www.ozsportsbikes.com
best australian site.
fastest 250 was the aprillia rs stroker, and the 4 stroke version was the fastersst 4 stroke, followed by the gsxr250

i ride a kr1s, bloody rocketship. I wouldnt say unreliable at all. can take on 600's but i know the fact that my bike cost me shit all and still looks cool lol.
oh and for a laugh, its got neons :P

[itsnotagsr]

Originally posted by Revhead
Nah, some people like stunting too... :D

They're classics, any pics?

Not on the computer. The Norton is an ex race bike. I came with a 500cc and spare 650cc engine. Havent got it registered, but its learner legal per the RTA :D Sounds awesome. It probably wont be that quick, but its all about the noise!

Just bought the WLA. My dad used to have one with a sidecar when I was a kid. Bought this one unseen for $8k from Adelaide. Theyre selling them over here for $15k for a nice one! It needs a bit of a tidy up, but the mechanicals are good. Stripped it down with my Dad last weekend. Looks like its had a rebuild about 10 years ago without much use afterwards. Its a military version ( still has the olive drab undercoat, but someone has converted it to "civilian" spec with different lights and over riders. Im getting all the chrome work redone and new pipes made up. Its red over black at the moment, but will be all black with chrome. By the time its back on the road, I should hopefully have gotten my full licence.

Old bikes dont handle, go or stop that well, but the noise makes up for it!

Anyone been to the classic bike races at Eastern Creek before? I went a couple of months ago. They had the classic bike world cup events on. Bikes from all round the world. Some pommy champ was there (probably from the 60s) with this race Honda. Could tell what engine/capacity it had, but looked to be a six cylinder from the number of header pipes. The rider was deaf as a door post - probably due to the fact that you could hear the bike in the pits from the old car park (where spectators parked for the old drags).

[Slain]

if you guys like stunting, go to the www.ozsportsbikes.com site and under the QLD section, the details on the first motofreestyle XSBA event are there, as well as tickets.

[edo]

itsnot, do those old things have a rigid rear end? Cause damn that'd be bad...

[Revhead]

A lot of the really old bikes had rigid rear ends and springs under the seat afaik. That'd feel really strange :)

[itsnotagsr]

Originally posted by edo
itsnot, do those old things have a rigid rear end? Cause damn that'd be bad...

The WLA does . Solution: mount the seat on springs :D

Its a big bike, so it rides comfortably.

Norton isnt.

[edo]

Hot tip...dont jump the rigid!:)

[itsnotagsr]

Great escape style? :D

[Vicko]

Hey Edo - what about the Benelli naked thing when it arrives..?

The exhaust note is the absolute business. But I think I've already told you that.

[edo]

Never seen anything about it...

[Vicko]

http://www.benelli.com/tnt_eng.htm

[edo]

Damn...thats different...140hp is too much though...

[Vicko]

Then don't twist the throttle as far... :)

[edo]

Didnt work with the 'thou...why would I be better with one of them?

[Vicko]

Perhaps theTNTs *character* would help you enjoy it at lower speeds?

Wouldn't be as outright capable as the thou in sporting terms, but the tornado handles very well so I don't see why the TNT wouldn't. And a 1130 cc triple is going to be plenty torquey...

My only beef with the Tornado I rode was some poor quality details (minor stuff) and the clutch. Everything else was great (apart from the price).

[edo]

Nah, Im not convinced its not really ugly yet either...

Im not bloody outright capable in sporting terms either:)

These things are what $30k???

[Vicko]

Yeah I'm reserving judgement on the looks until I see it in the flesh (they've certainly made some odd design decisions...). Looks fussy and overcomplicated in the pics too.

Pricing for the Tornado was something around 30k. I'd expect the TNT to be a little cheaper.

[dazza]

Only 140hp pffft

soft

[edo]

twice as much as your car!

Oh, a totally ignorant comment re bikes...you have never ridden a 140+hp bike.

[Vicko]

I personally reckon anything between 120 and 140 to be about spot on for 99% of us plodders.

[dazza]

Edo it wasn't totally ignorant...

(Other than the I haven't ridden one comment)

But the comment was more of a, you bike riders are nucking futs kinda comment...

And actually my car has more than that :)

And the other end of my comment which was 1/2 a joke about my car's lack of power but also that my mates current bike has 150something hp + ramair

[The Pupat]

Stop being soft edo and get a scooter. that would have enough power for you.

[dazza]

I don't think we'll get started again on the weird things you're in to :p

[The Pupat]

That's a nice kettle black Exa you got there dazza :p

[dazza]

It's a beautiful burnt black colour thankyou

You know I'm just kidding :)

(if this post is badly worded blame the alcohol)

[edo]

Vicko, I reckon 100hp is enuf for me!

Dazza, my GSXR1000 apparently had 160hp...it was nuts. I think 140hp is just slightly less nuts.
Oh, I dont think your car has got much more though has it?

Josh, Riding a scooter is like rooting a fat chick, its good fun until your mates see you...:)

[rj-astra]

Josh, Riding a scooter is like rooting a fat chick, its good fun until your mates see you

You root chicks in front of your mates???
If you do, surely you would have the balls to ride a GSXR100 :)

[edo]

I dont root fat chicks at all but I know a bloke on here who does...he tells me its fun...I believe him possibly only because Im to scared to do it myself.


Oh, Im sure a GSXR100 would be fine...its that extra 0 that scares me...kinda like the extra body mass on the fat chick:)

[crx2gen]

Originally posted by Slain
fastest 250 was the aprillia rs stroker,

I reckon the Honda RS250 would hand it its arse though :D

749. Go on.

[edo]

Whatever I do it wont be for a while...this Falcon is going to cost me a fortune...

[dazza]

Originally posted by edo
Dazza, my GSXR1000 apparently had 160hp...it was nuts. I think 140hp is just slightly less nuts.



Funny I woulda thought the new R1 would have more

Edo I think you missed my point, you're all nuts! :p

[edo]

No, got that point. My point is that you have no idea how nuts those things are.

R1 has less top end & a lot less midrange than the gixxer (I rode 'em all). New CBR1000 & ZX10 are 180hp...and around 160kg...nuts redefined.:)

[oxy]

Originally posted by rj-astra
You root chicks in front of your mates???



Originally posted by edo
I dont root fat chicks at all



And he has no mates to root them in front of anyway

Originally posted by edo
but I know a bloke on here who does...he tells me its fun...I believe him possibly only because Im to scared to do it myself.



Hmmm, holds chin and nods in agreement ;)

[Bill Surewood]

;) nasty

[edo]

You said it was good:)

[dazza]

I believe the 180 figure is with ram air factored in...

Well I had pics but they sucked:

http://www.sportrider.com/features/146_0406_comp_dyno/

Honda CBR1000RR: 149.1 @ 11,500
Kawasaki ZX-10R: 164.2 @ 12,000
Suzuki GSX-R1000: 152.3 @ 11,000
Yamaha YZF-R1: 158.9 @ 12,750

http://www.sportrider.com/features/146_0406_comp_drag/

Note* I believe that is compared to the 03 model GSXR however: I also read this somewhere else...

Sorry about your luck Gixxer fans, but the king has been dethrowned. The 04's were tested and they are slower then the 03's! Sportrider and Cycleworld both could only muster up 10.20's and 172mph on the 152rwhp 2004 GSX-R1000. Oh how the mighty has fallen! The 2003 Gixxer1k is more competitive then the 04.


To sum it up I'd say they're all pretty insane?

[edo]

Who cares. I rode them all (02 models) & the Gixxer was the quickest, easily.
Im bloody sure the new honda & Kawasaki are quicker again, probably the R1 & new gixxer are too...but it doesnt matter.

It doesnt matter, its totally academic. I defy anyone to actually get the best out of any of the litre sports bikes of the last 3 years on the road.

No number of irrelevant graphs from someone who has never come close to anything that serious changes anything.

[Bill Surewood]

Dazza are you trying to OWN3D edo?

we all know thats never going to happen ;)

[dazza]

I just think they all pretty much equally qualify as insane...

You'd have to be to do some of the speeds that they are capable of!

Jon not trying to... but I think it's the closest anyone has ever been :)

Oh and for the gauge of nuts-ness the quoted 9.92 - 9.96 between the 3 top bikes down the 1/4 yes I think most people would agree that is nuts considering the only protection you have is a helmet...

[edo]

You wouldnt have a clue. You have no idea if they are nuts or not. You cannot simply look at graphs or the bike next to you at the lights & assume you know what they are like...its like suggesting that because you know a top fuel car has 5000hp & youve seen a pic of one that you know what its like. You dont.

The scary thing about them is how effortless it all is. Cruising down the road at 150kph in 3rd...nail the throttle & its stands up on the back wheel. Its not even frightening.

I came back from my last ride on the GSXR & sat on the floor in the garage thinking about what Id just done. Many corners had wheelspin on exit, many had the front wheel lifting...some had both. It didnt once scare me at the time, they dont, they just do everything right, no twitching no nastiness. Top speed on that ride was 257 between corners...it wasnt scary, it didnt shake or wander it just did it.
So sitting on the garage floor I decided to sell it. Not because it was a beast, quite the opposite. It was because when I eventually reached the bikes limits (& I was still way off) I knew the speed I was going would be insane & my meagre talents wouldnt save me from at best a long stay in hospital. The alternative to that was realistically jail for speeding...

So dont try to pretend you know anything about these things...you dont.

Stick with EXAs...at least youve had experience with them...

[Revhead]

It's not just getting the best out of something like that on the road that appeals. When track days come around it's good blowing past people on the straights and being able to pass in corners (don't forget that they've tweaked the handling on these things too), especially when it's someone with a bigger number printed on the side of their bike :D For some it's bragging rights too, but for the rest of us it's the riding experience that matters.

And don't forget the hooligan factor... how much fun would 176hp (what ZX10, R1 and RCB all claim) and 180kg wet (give or take) be? Mine'll crack a bit under 270km/h at the end of the Darlington straight, and that's with ~160hp and ~198kg wet + rider. So 16hp more, 20kg less... woohoo :) I imagine they'd be a bit more difficult to ride though, particularly coming out of a corner, but that's part and parcel of having shedloads of grunt and instant throttle response.

Do I have the skills to get 100% out of these things, road or track? Definitely not - that doesn't stop me wanting one though!

Sportrider and Cycleworld both could only muster up 10.20's and 172mph on the 152rwhp 2004 GSX-R1000
I think that mph might be a typo, lol! But yeah, 10.20, oh the shame :D

[edo]

Revhead, The last thing I wanted to do was go race my bike...I'll stick to cars for that thanks...at least Ive got some idea in a car if it all goes pear shaped.

A 02 GSXR1000 same as mine did a 9.98 at willowbank, stock.

I think you'll find that the power difference between a 929 like yours & the latest crop to be kind of amazing. I know the 929 felt positively limp after riding the GSXR

[Bill Surewood]

should be also added that the stock 02 GSXR1000 was ridden by a stocky aussie too, not a crazy skinny 40kg jap.

[Revhead]

That's a bit of a different perspective... hadn't really thought about it like that before. I mean, sometimes I look back on what we've done during the day's riding and think 'geez' but we tend to hold back, and always leave plenty in reserve - having a couple of 250s with us helps too. I can see where you're coming from though, even a short squirt will get you on the wrong side of the law, and on the wrong side of 'oh shit' too.

Oh and on second thought, that 172mph might be top speed, I'll shut up now :)

[Revhead]

Yeah I know the 929 doesn't really compare with a Gixxer thou, let alone the current crop. It's all I ride regularly enough to compare against though :) I have ridden a couple of quick bikes though, including a modified 185rwhp '03 GSXR which had big cams, PC3R, pipe etc. Owner said he'd run 9.4@152. After taking it for a strap, I believe him :) It'd power wheelie at 200km/h in fourth...

[Sir Revalot]

Originally posted by edo
The scary thing about them is how effortless it all is. Cruising down the road at 150kph in 3rd...nail the throttle & its stands up on the back wheel. Its not even frightening.

I came back from my last ride on the GSXR & sat on the floor in the garage thinking about what Id just done. Many corners had wheelspin on exit, many had the front wheel lifting...some had both. It didnt once scare me at the time, they dont, they just do everything right, no twitching no nastiness. Top speed on that ride was 257 between corners...it wasnt scary, it didnt shake or wander it just did it.
So sitting on the garage floor I decided to sell it. Not because it was a beast, quite the opposite. It was because when I eventually reached the bikes limits (& I was still way off) I knew the speed I was going would be insane & my meagre talents wouldnt save me from at best a long stay in hospital. The alternative to that was realistically jail for speeding...


Some interesting points there Edo. I'll be test riding a number of bikes before I buy one, but I will probably be steering clear of the 600s cause they don't have enough torque for my liking..

After watching a couple of 'Ghost Rider' movies, I know how insane the Gixxer thou really is, but I'll be riding that as well as a few others before I make my choice.

The VTR-SP1 (or 2) is also on my list. I've always loved these bikes ever since they came out. The sound is awesome, they look cool and they handle really well. My mate who has an '03 R1 says that they don't have the power, but I dunno if you would use most of it on the road anyway..

[edo]

The SP, I think must be the thinking mans V twin sportsbike. Havent ridden one but I think they could be good. Im sure they get spanked by the 4cyls but really who cares?
Id say good thinking!:)

[Sir Revalot]

Well my R1 riding mate says that he was pulling lap times about 4 seconds quicker on his R1 than his other mate on his SP-1 around Mallala in SA, but I'd say this comes down to rider skill as well as the bike's power..

I am aware that the GSXR and the R1 and similar bikes are quicker than the SP-1 and 2, but then again, when you are talking about a 9 sec quarter mile machine, I think I could live with a bike that 'only' does 10s or 11s!

[edo]

Who cares if he is 4 sec faster....you'll make a much better noise...

[Nucci]

Yeah VTR SP1/2's are quite nice, in direct competition to the Ducati 99./74.'s. Probably worth a look as well, Is Coyote still trying to offload his RSV Mille? That would be worth a look as well.

If you are after character a nice big V-Twin will probably be your thing Edo, as Im sure you are aware. I would even suggest a second hand 998 as this still has the testastretta motor, has the classic 916 look and you could probably get one at a good price with termi's and those bloody expensive carbon fibre rear hugger and chain guard included.

[edo]

Im in no hurry...Im running out of money!
The falcon is swallowing up $ as we speak & its not even delivered by Ford yet...
Im on 4 wheels exclusively for a bit yet.

[Sir Revalot]

RSV Mille.. Very pricey!!

I keep talking about my mate with the R1, so let's call him Joe* for conversation's sake.

Joe's Brother has an RSV Mille R and Joe has ridden it once and ridden with him (on his R1). Joe's not overly impressed given the price of the bike.. Then again, they are a very nice bike and well engineered.. I haven't ridden one so I can't really comment!!

*Not his real name :p

[rj-astra]

[/QUOTE]I think you'll find that the power difference between a 929 like yours & the latest crop to be kind of amazing[/quote]

Well for comparison.... My mates breathed upon 919 Blade couldn't pull away in the straights from my 2003 ZX6R (636). Bikes are evolving at a ridiculous rate.

SP-1?? aren't they a v-twin with no character? Sort of defeats the purpose ;) Vtwin torque is overrated. A 1 litre I4 with stomp a 1L Vtwin.

[Revhead]

From 100 up to 250-ish, my 929 and my brother's '03 R6 are fairly close. He initially gets a good 2 bike lengths on me (mine's off cam at 100 in 2nd, 1st at 100 is pointless), by about 140 I've regained that and by 150 I'm pulling away. Keep climbing over 200 the difference gets greater. By 250 I've pulled maybe 5 lengths on him. A pretty impressive performance by the 600, which belies the 40hp difference (partially hidden by my being 30kg heavier too :p)

I don't know what they've done to all of a sudden extract an extra 15hp from the current litre bikes without increasing cubes in most cases. Very impressive :)

Oh, and SP1 & 2 et al may not have the outright power, but look at a torque/power curve. Anywhere that doesn't allow the bike to be kept way up in the rev range (ie 99% of road riding) will see the twins take the lead. And dayum they sound nice.

[Nucci]

One thing I cant understand is that with motorcycles, as with cars 0-100, 0-400 times, etc are not the be all and end all where desirability counts. Yeah a jap I4 1000cc bike will nail something like an Exotic Euro V-Twin, but for some people the bigger grin factor cannot be measured by a stopwatch.

Ducati's don't just sell because they are Ducati's, they are doing something right, the weight and power numbers are only part of the picture.

[Sir Revalot]

Hear Hear Revhead (re: the V-Twin comment)..

It's (the SP-1 or 2) not definitely what I'm going to get, and from what I've been told, I'm most likely going to buy a Gixxer anyway :p but the V-Twins have a lot of useable torque that is great for road riding (where I'm going to be riding the bike most)..

And yeah, that exhaust noise is sweeeeeeet...

I'm gonna test a 929 or 954 'blade soon as well so I'll write a dodgy review here.. haha :D

Edit: Nucci - from what I've been told, Dukes are one of the best handling bikes. It's not their outright power but their 'chuckability' that hooks people (as well as the sound, the prestige etc etc..)

[Nucci]

*looks at ZZR250 parked outside, curls up in foetal position*

Must...upgrade........soon

[itsnotagsr]

Originally posted by psi999
Dazza are you trying to OWN3D edo?

we all know thats never going to happen ;)

Teh edo can neva loose! ;) j/k

[bahaimus]

Is Coyote still trying to offload his RSV Mille?

It was actually his girlfriends. It has departed now though.

RSV Mille.. Very pricey!!

You'd be surprised how cheap it actually sold for in the end. Very surprised.


Not based on any experience, but from what I've read SP-1/2's make very poor around town bikes. For a weekend toy though, I reckon they'd be great. And they sound very very horn as well. Only to be surpassed by my Monster (once I get a set of pipes for it) :D

I never got a chance to ride edo's gixxer. And I think I'm glad I didn't. I'll settle for 70-80hp (on a good day) little 900 duke thanks.

[dazza]

Originally posted by itsnotagsr
Teh edo can neva loose! ;) j/k

I concur...

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Sir Revalot: Heard the exhaust note on the new R1?

bahaimus: Sane man

As for me riding on the back of a 250 was enough to scare the crap outa me so I guess I should wrap myself in bubble wrap or something?

*dazza puts away his fishing rod

[Slain]

636 is my next choice, plenty quick, clutches up like a piece of piss and is just a hoon machine.
in black to match my leathers and get a new race rep helmet.

[rj-astra]

but the V-Twins have a lot of useable torque that is great for road riding (where I'm going to be riding the bike most)..


What people seem to fail to realise is that VTwins have taller gearing to compensate for their smaller rev ranges and lower redlines. It also mitigates their thirst.

GSXR1000
http://www.sportrider.com/features/146-0308-gsxr-dyno-zoom.jpg

999
http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/146-0310-twin-dynot-zoom.gif

[ALLMTR]

Went out to Bikefest at WSID on Saturday.

Boxer ran his first 10 :worship:

Another guy with a stunning streetfighter won best Jap bike in the show section. The funny part is that he parked his bike on the grass without even knowing about the show/shine.

Oh by the way check out www.xrfiddy.com These guys crack me up

[Sir Revalot]

Dazza: Nope. Haven't heard the new R1 yet. Must go have a look at one soon.. I gather they sound pretty good?? I've always found the stock cans give a very quiet sound and only once you put an aftermarket exhaust/can on them do they start sounding really good (this is speaking generally about all new sportsbikes)..

The new Gixxer 1000s are selling for $15,990 +ORC! That's a big drop down from the $18k or so the K1 - K3 models were selling for!!

RJAstra: I have read reviews about the VTR SP-1 and they said that around town they were a bit of a pig, but great once you got them moving. My bike wouldn't be a daily rider so that's not really an issue.

From what I've been told by those that ride them is that they are in their 'major grunt' range at reasonably low revs and have very good throttle response when in that range, right up until higher revs.

Also their handling/braking is supposed to be great, but they are a tad on the heavier side...

I haven't ridden one yet, so I won't comment on them any more until I do!

What I've posted so far is just from reviews that I've read and talking to owners of these bikes..

[rj-astra]

RJAstra: I have read reviews about the VTR SP-1 and they said that around town they were a bit of a pig, but great once you got them moving. My bike wouldn't be a daily rider so that's not really an issue.


The only rider feedback I have got is that they aren't suited at all to our "roads" . They don't like rough roads.
Nt a very popular bike.

Maybe the Aprillia RSV is a better bike. The people I have spoken to that have riddne one have commented on the power delivery and user friendliness of the bike. Very well suited to road riding. And they depreciate to all hell (like sp-1!!) so are a bargain secondhand.

[Sir Revalot]

Hehe.. They don't like rough roads.. That rules out riding on pretty well any road in Adelaide then.. :D

[Vicko]

SP1 v's RSV

I've ridden both bikes back to back a couple of times. And an SP2 at Phillip Island. Was > < that close to buying an SP1. Here's my thoughts:

The SP1 has the most sublime gearbox and a stonking motor. You really do travel at a much faster rate than you think. Tacho is practically unreadable but I can ignore that. Handling is fine too, for my likeing but its a *big* bike. Tank feels big and its tall. Around town its not really that bad if you slip the clutch a little, but I'd drop the gearing down - easy fix. First gear is very tall. I'd look at a second hand jobbie with a full system and PCIII (for an extra 10 ponies - bringing it to around 130). Nice bike, very nice, but tall and heavy. Not chuckable like a modern 600. You can expect that with the extra weight and higher CoG from a big twin I guess.

RSV - also a great bike. Ugliest instrument cluster ever, but it has an in built lap timer and the styling of the rest of the bike more than makes up for it. Drop dead gorgeous from almost every angle (and I did my first proper wheelie on one so they have a special place in my heart!). Motor is damn near a match for the Honda, but gearbox not as good (which is not saying its bad). Seating position more natural on the Priller, in fact its one of the most comfortable bikes I've been on. But its also very tall.

Both of these bikes are tall, and cornering them at speed takes some getting used to - the first time you tip in you get a shock at how far up you are and how far you need to crank it over. Nothing more time on the bike wouldn't fix I guess.

The SP2 is a definate improvement on the first model, better injection and rear suspension are probably the two biggest improvements, but there are more improvements than that. And the second model RSV was also a big step up over the first.

Ultimately I decided that a modded SP1 was the one to choose for me. Honda reliability was a factor in it too (and servicing parts availability/costs). Both of these bikes are ultimately as fast as the modern 600s on the track, but take a better rider to get it out of them. On the road they're probably easier to ride fast as they have so much more torque. So more of a challenge to get the best out of but a great bike for spirited riding up to 90% for most of us. And the sound.....

But save yourself some coin and get one that someone else has spent money on (pipes, cans, PCIII etc).

[Sir Revalot]

Cheers 4 the great review Vicko! It'll certainly help me out when I start looking at bikes within the next couple of weeks..

Did you actually buy an SP-1? By the comments posted above I gather you did, but it may just be written in that way as though you were going to purchase one..

[bahaimus]

I'm pretty sure he didn't buy the SP-1. Bit of a girl I think..... :p :D

So rolin7, how are going for getting a mc section?

[Sir Revalot]

LOL bahaimus.. :lol:

Yeah I think 5 pages of talk qualifies for a Motorcycle section!

They're a performance vehicle too dagnabbit! :D

[Vicko]

Sir Rev - no in the end I decided to keep my 01 F4i and buy a racebike with the "upgrade" money I had saved up instead. Glad I did - having plenty of fun with it :)

Actually I'm heading back to Winton on Friday for a bit of a trundle around on the racebike. Last time I was there (first time on bike - short track) I had a blast, and only noticed the scrapes on the fairing from the curbs when I got home... :| :)

And you can rammit "Mr-Frilly-knickers-I-don't-even-have-a-set-of-wheels"... :D

[Sir Revalot]

That's a good idea Vicko.. I'm lookin' forward to the time when I can afford to run a racebike, a roadbike and a car!!!

What sort of racebike is it? Another 600?

They are a blast on the track cause it's all revs, so just keep it right up there and the fun will continue!!

[bahaimus]

Hey, I've got a set of wheels!! They are sitting on the floor in my garage!

Sometimes my wife lets me drive the Subie. And I've finally plucked up the courage to start riding the bike to work!

:p

[Sir Revalot]

I live with fear every day. Sometimes she lets me ride.... :D

[bahaimus]

I actually got in trouble for not riding enough..........

[Vicko]

SirRev - yeah its a CBR600F4 (the carbed version).
Hopefully its dry tomorrow at Winton...

Hey Frilly - what did you end up getting again?

Edit - Oh yeah - and I just found out that Rossie has tested the Ferrari F1. After 20 laps he was within 3 seconds of the lap record. Unbelievable. Monkey boy is a freak.

[Sir Revalot]

I guess young Rossi already knows what it's like to go ridiculously fast on a bike, so he just has to adapt himself to a car!

[bahaimus]

Stop calling me that Vicko!! Or I'll tell your mum.......

Monster 900. You should see my chicken strips...... :D

[Sir Revalot]

It's dead thread resurrection time y'all.. Yeeeehah..

Thought I'd dig up this corpse to inform all that are interested that I just bought my new bike!

It's a 2003 CBR600RR. It's red and Black (the one based on the RC211V race bike). The only modification is a Micron Can. I got it for $11,500 and it had chicken stripped tyres, :lol: Brakes that have hardly been worn at all and it's in showroom condition with only 3,800km on the clock. The last guy got rid of it 'cause he lost his licence (hopefully that doesn't happen to me). The tyres are now worn all the way to the edge and I've only ridden it 3 times :p

It's even got 1 and a half years worth of factory warranty left on it!!

I rode a number of bikes before buying it (mainly the big 'ole 1000s), but the instant I took this one into the twisties, I was hooked! It can still spin up the back wheel (have done that once already as well!) and pretty well redefines the 600 class IMO..

It's extremely nimble, has awesome brakes and has more than enough power to keep me happy. It may not be quite as quick in a straight line as the new 1000s, but it's still extremely fast..

Looking forward to lots more fun on it. Just gotta get my insurance activated tonight.. Oooh yeah..

Click here (http://www.mcnews.com.au/Testing/Honda/CBR600RR/Detail/RC_CBR_Studio_LHF_1024.jpg) for a pic of a bike exactly like mine next to the RC211V. You can see how similar they actually are!

[rj-astra]

It's red and Black (the one based on the RC211V race bike

Styled on the race bike :P

[Revhead]

Nice, well done :)

[Sir Revalot]

Hahah shutup! The rear suspension setup is also very very similar...

Edit: Sorry Revhead - that comment was aimed at RJ!!

[Revhead]

It's all good mate, no offence taken :)

[William Hung]

I think I've found the perfect bike for edo.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/william.hung/rs0645.jpg

[Revhead]

Link no worky... is it a pink tricycle with flowers? :p

By the way, might be worth mentioning that if you're at work, don't follow the link, it goes to a porn site.

[William Hung]

Try now.

And it's not a porn site. It's just www.orsm.net

[Revhead]

Well either way, it's not work safe. One for the bookmarks though :p