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what is actually required to start a place like that?
land
what permit?
can it be done w/o involving CAMS?
public liability insurance?
of course money
it seem like a good idea for drift practice and skid pan training, instead of doing it in some deserted carpark or industral area.
Isn't there dedicated skidpan facilities in Brisbane? Or is it a fair distance away?
Queensland Raceway has drift sessions don't they? Or is it only for the major competitions?
i want this facility to be easy to use, just like going to a karting place. open daily.
thinking of something similar to Ebisu driftland as seen in the drift bible
won't you need insurace for it? that'll be exxy!
CussCuss
13-11-04, 06:04 PM
wakefield park manage to do it for $90 a day per person.
insurance is definitely a must for any business,
what else is required?
JabberWocky
13-11-04, 07:04 PM
Concrete?
Kiahatsiu
13-11-04, 07:17 PM
Hmmm. I think that driving to QR on a "Drift day" or on a lap sprint day and handing over your hard earned is pretty easy. How much easier do you want it?
I know that the sprint days have emergency crews on hand, and I imagine that the "drift days" do too. I don't think there is anything you could do create a "drift world" cheaper than just paying to go to QR.
thinking of asphalt as it is cheaper than concrete.
it is meant to be a low speed training ground in preperation for say like Drift day in QR
We can only use QR only on certain days such as "drift day".
I want it to be as easy as going to karting or any other form of entainment: just drop in or do a booking to reserve a spot
maybe open 24hr on weekend
Would be extremely difficult, expensive and time consuminmg if your council is anything like mine to get the development permits required to even commence construction. Probably need evironmental impact statements, noise pollution studies, Increased road traffic analysis. Land would have to be a special zoning i would imagine. Thats only the planning stage, then youve got the construction stage and once its up and runing the adminstration costs.
Insurances - public liability (min 20mill cover), Property insurance and thats providing that an insurance company will cover your business as it would be considered a high risk.
say 2-3 million?
I know the proposed replacement track for Mrowell Parke has a reported budget of 2 million for 900m of track.
yes definatley would be in the millions of dollars. Good idea but very hard to achieve.
I like snow skiing but live in Brisbane.
I think the council should build a dome over Mt Cootha and charge me $10 a day to go skiing.
No, it should be free and I should be allowed to bring my gun and practice for the winter olympics.
efto,
that's what i want to know whether it is feasable.
i've already have the course plan from japan. it's quite small....the estimated size of the drift practice park is only 160metre by 110metre with 20 cars pit.
of course i would need a bit more land for admin block, car pack,....
You would need to have emergency towing vehicles, fire marshalls and equipment etc too. Costs are not limited to the land and buildings, there will be council fees/rates etc.
No way you can do 24Hr unless you're in the middle of fricken nowhere with no houses around for over 100kms in any direction. Even the Oran Park Drift Nights have to be done by 9pm because of the noise.....and there aren't a lot of houses near OP....
Edit: you would also need to be associated with CAMS or AASA unless you want to try and obtain and administer your own Public Liability Insurance. That will be a killer too.
t__h__e__k
13-11-04, 09:27 PM
I like snow skiing but live in Brisbane.
I think the council should build a dome over Mt Cootha and charge me $10 a day to go skiing.
No, it should be free and I should be allowed to bring my gun and practice for the winter olympics.
thats the funniest shit I have read it a long time. I can hardly write properly I'm laughing so much. Classic.
nafe,
keep it coming, i need lots of info.
what about this place, it is not affiliated with cams, i wonder how they do it. it's not for drifting but still a circuit. http://www.thewrxexperience.com/thewrxexperiencehome.htm
Not sure about up therein QLD, but I know the Rally Experience guys here in Sydney use the Oran Park dirt circuit (I learnt to drive on that exact circuit many years ago!).
Could be that people sign off on a disclaimer when they sign up, and given that hte track is in the middle of 90 acres of cane fields, I thnk it's a fair bet there's no one to complain about the noise?
They could also have had some sort of CAMS approval for the circuit, or organised something themselves.....
that's could the ideal location halfway between gold coast and brisbane.
I might have to pay them a visit to snoop around, hehe
Klint do you realise that your legal fees to fully investigate this could be well into the 000's and that's before actually trying to do it? My leagals are already far higher than expected and I also have to carry pub lia insurance and that's for a magazine!
Lets see...you want 160x110m @ say $110 laid per meter and more if its a long way in the bush, you will need power at this place also medical/fire, water, can't be too far or people will not come etc etc.
difficult job for anyone less than Lindsay Fox
land and construction is my least worry. I might have some idea where i want it, i have been in that area, all agriculture area, a HSV training school and the WRX thingy.
I know it is not a small project. That's whay i need some pointers to how i should start investigating and to see if it is really feasible as a business.
AndyMac
13-11-04, 10:06 PM
I think the bestest way to go 'bout it would be to try and convince someone like WSID to go into a joint venture. That carpark in the other suburb beside WSID would be a nice little location.
Would also help on the overheads such as insurance and the like.
It would be interesting to see if you could get past go thou, as I believe Eastern Creek Raceway have some agreement from the government that no other developments of a "similar description" be open within a certain time/radius (not sure what the deal was with WSID thou....).
Good Luck...
t__h__e__k
13-11-04, 10:12 PM
If you build it they will come. lol. Love that line.
It sounds like a pretty full on venture. It would be soo good having a place like that. Maybe you can try to get some sponsors on board. Ring the tobacco companies. They'll sponsor anything with wheels these days!
i did thought of doing a joint venture with someone in the similar line of buisness since they would have done all the hard work already. Even that i still need a business proposal and get my facts right.
My concept of the drift park is that it should be informal but safe. To get woons off the streets (the gov would love that, hope they support it though).
counter argument of course is that you are encouraging them and training them....best not go down that path
The-Kid
13-11-04, 10:27 PM
Some would also bitch and moan that it promotes unsafe driving on public roads as well. So you would have to back yourself up on that pretty well.
SuperBoRi
13-11-04, 10:27 PM
what about the day when people realise that drifting is just another Japanese fad, much like pokemon, tamagotchis, WW2 etc.
then you are stuck with a top notch carpark in the middle of a cane field. By all means, spend your hard earned cash on a project of this nature, my advice would be to stick well clear of it or at least make CERTAIN that the track has a second possible use (for example bucks parties, go-karting during the day, ladies in the admin block at night)
you have a point there.
OK i say it about promoting a safe sport in a safe enviroment.
superbori, good ideas, thanks.
it can defintely be used for go-kart, as a skid pan, motorkhana. RC car
I don't have a position either way, but look at all sides before taking a public position. Do it indoors/outdoors?....old industrial site?
do you have any experience in property development or planning law? because i reckon they'd be pre-requisites for what you're proposing.
...and what is your budget for the first year? and where do you propose to get funding from?
Its hard enough trying to get duplexs and multi residential developments through council, this proposal realistically would take about 1-2 years just to get through council.
AndyMac
14-11-04, 12:30 AM
Efto is right.
The DA/Approval system in NSW is the worst in Australia and maybe even the world. It costs a number of companys 100's of thousands a year just in delays.
The Pupat
14-11-04, 03:07 AM
I like snow skiing but live in Brisbane.
I think the council should build a dome over Mt Cootha and charge me $10 a day to go skiing.
No, it should be free and I should be allowed to bring my gun and practice for the winter olympics.
Awesome idea. The government should do this it would take all those illegal street skiers off the road.
i personally do not have property development experience, i have friend who does that in NSW.
Funds will most likely comes from overseas.
What about Brisbane airport? I don't know much about it but a few years ago there were gokarts there using some obsolete runway or something. As others have said, insurance, insurance, insurance.
260det
yes, the old domestic port and runway are there, the domestic hangers are used by a freight yard that i used to do business with... the old runway is there but now fenced off, the forklift drivers will let u on it for a case of beer and come out and watch you do skids. however i think soon the runway will be gone as they are developing the land into housing, i know most of the bits where the planes used to use to get to the runways are already gone. your two best options would be out pinkenba way between the airport and the shit refinery.. no noise complaints but depending on wind youd have a damm stinky track... the other and better option would be as close as posible to the brewery half way beteen the coast and brissy on the M1. idealy you would have it open late at night and have a HUGE carpark, if you played your cards right you could encourage the car park to be used the same way broardwater carpark is, charge a buck a car to come in and park, watch drift and make a killing off food/drink sales.
That park and watch idea of yours is a good one rolin, seriously, the full deal - park, eat, perve, listen and inhale burnt rubber fumes. Involves all the senses, thats sensory senses, not common or other boring type senses.
Pity my millions are tied up elsewhere :D
Stix Zadinia
14-11-04, 02:06 PM
i think you've found a market there....
cologne (sp?) that smells like burnt rubber and traction compound. mmmm
rolin7, those are all valid suggestions, point noted.
extra cashflows is always welcome
An arena, thats whats needed. One with a high chainlink fence around it to add to the feeling of danger and occasion, the matadors doing their thing inside. What a winnah :yup:
go get a quote on insurance.
I'd say that will be the end of your idea.
Ten years ago, you might have had a chance.
stumbles
14-11-04, 04:15 PM
you just need to take a look at eastern creek carting raceway, thats a scaled down version of what you want and its a multi million dollar facility
AndyMac
14-11-04, 04:31 PM
I don't think you can compare that kart track really. The ashaplt on that track is specially imported stuff from the UK for motorsport, costing (I think) at least 1.5million alone.
Plus, Eastern Creek was built for the Oceania Championships and brought upto CIK/FMK International standards....
Short point, a drift track wouldn't need all the infrastructure that EC Karting Circuit has, nor would it need the highest grade asphalt.
A good kart track to compare it too in the sense of infrastructure would be Lithgow I'd think.
Ummm have you done any research at all?
Did you know that 1/2 way between Bris & GC there is a driver training facility with skid pans, road circuits & a hill climb? Its called Mt Cotton its been there for ever.
i'm aware of mt cotton.
my intention is more of a pratice/entertainment facility like go karting but with drifting in mind.
anyway, i need some time to do some real investigation with the relavant authority.
Easiest thing for you to do would be buy Mt Cotton. Having no experience in anything relevant doesnt bode well for you starting from the beginning.
Clearly you have shit piles of money & could stump up whatever they wanted for it...otherwise there is always Darlington Park....hey QR is actually for sale I believe.
Buy 'em all!
Mt Cotton has strict noise restrictions, so does Darlington Park but it's only from a few dozen residents. Could just buy their houses as well I guess.
hay man dont let anyone put you off there are means and ways around everything do some research and have a go! i bet all these people that are bagging you or saying its not a good idea would be amoung your best customers people are always ready with bad new.. having said that it will not be cheap nor easy if you were wanting to do this for real i would
step 1- write up a business plan
step2- get incontact with your councal and see if you can do it
step 3- talk to an insuracne company this will be the main factor
step4- work out complete cost everything and then add 20% for unknowns
step5- get money! take money from anyone you can!
step6- spend the money
step7- have fun!
oh and if you want an idea of a business plan to copy look for go kart business plans
AndyMac
16-11-04, 10:05 AM
Anyone want to invest in buying out Tasmania (To be renamed Motormania) ? I propose to set Hobart up like Vegas, Finanically bait all the major performance brands to relocate their HQ's there's and have the island a speed limit free zone.
Of course we will considar some area's drift grounds.
Of course we will considar some area's drift grounds.
Yes, some very short jettys.
nomis, he definately needs your help with all your vast experience
Yes, some very short jettys.
nomis, he definately needs your help with all your vast experience
hay edo you seem to be a bright spark how about you lend som help rather then putting the idea down the title is "how to start a driftland or park" NOT "how not to start a driftland or park" there are to many people on these forums (not just this one) that are willing to complain or put down other ideas and not enough willing to offer support. i also understand that your just saying what some of the problems that he will be faceing but some of the other comments in this thread just dont need to be in here if you dont have somthing worth while to say about this idea just read it and dont post in it.
as for my experence i dont have any in building drift tracks but i do have knowlagde in how to start/run/make money for a business and thats all i was saying
So help him. Particularly with step 5 which seems somewhat fundamental...
If you read between the lines of what people are saying you will understand that we dont believe that this guy has the brains, the knowledge, the money or the right influence with statutory authorities to do anything of the sort.
If he could put forward a workable budget that made sense rather than just babbling garbage then we might take him seriously.
I dont know what building a "drift park" entails but I do know what building a race track involves...between $10 & $20m plus a piece of dirt to put it on. How on earth guys in busted arse silvias are going to provide you with a worthwhile return when race tracks holding huge professional events consistantly loose money (and they have all been built years ago) is a question that is easily answered...they cant.
hay man dont let anyone put you off there are means and ways around everything do some research and have a go! i bet all these people that are bagging you or saying its not a good idea would be amoung your best customers people are always ready with bad new.. having said that it will not be cheap nor easy if you were wanting to do this for real i would
step 1- write up a business plan
step2- get incontact with your councal and see if you can do it
step 3- talk to an insuracne company this will be the main factor
step4- work out complete cost everything and then add 20% for unknowns
step5- get money! take money from anyone you can!
step6- spend the money
step7- have fun!
oh and if you want an idea of a business plan to copy look for go kart business plans
Step 1A: Obtayne spel chequer.
Step 1B: Put down on paper how on earth you would recoup the money this will cost.
Step 2: Get your hand off it and buy a skateboard instead.
i never said it was a great idea or that it would ever go ahead all i did was put forward a few steps that he should follow when looking at somthing like this im not the one who wants to build it so why would i bother goin into details about how and who you should go and talk to as i dont no becasue i havent done any research on this the steps were just simple and easy to follow for any one who wanted to look at starting a business
Mt Cotton has strict noise restrictions, so does Darlington Park but it's only from a few dozen residents. Could just buy their houses as well I guess.
Nice idea, but with the amount of new subdivisions in that whole area, you will just be fighting a losing battle. Plebs like to by houses next to race tracks, airports, water treatment plants ect and then complain about noise. Bleeding hearts get on their side and someone is held accountable for their supidity. Never them.
Cal.
eye hait it wen i agrea wiv edo butt wen hee maykz centz n da solushun iz obviuz den they'res know uvva fing too sey n iff uz cn folo mi pozt den datz ok cuz itz hertin mi brane juz too right dis shite n datz da trufe
nomis, So youve actually been of less help than those of us you were ticking off...good work.
coyote, I never know how you do that...
Nice idea, but with the amount of new subdivisions in that whole area, you will just be fighting a losing battle. Plebs like to by houses next to race tracks, airports, water treatment plants ect and then complain about noise. Bleeding hearts get on their side and someone is held accountable for their supidity. Never them.
Cal.
Don't be so negative Cal...
Buy to lot!!
When driftors are coming from all over the world you can then sell the land to Sheraton and they can build a themed drift hotel next to the Driftland Park.
nomis, So youve actually been of less help than those of us you were ticking off...good work.
coyote, I never know how you do that...
how do you come to that??
i have no idea of how smart this person is or if they have any business skills so i kept them easy to understand
those steps are a good way to look at strating a big project like this keeping it easy to understand to start off with and then once you have the foundations you can build off that
Will the hotel have a skate & BMX park?
Can we have monster trucks too?
Stop please....I have work to do and I'm pissing myself. :rotflol:
Cal.
this story needs more dragons
http://home.pacific.net.au/~dboman/dragon.jpg
ps: it's not housing going in around the old airport, it's a big fuckoff commercial development with factories, warehouses, wide roads and poor lighting. aka driftland.
AndyMac
16-11-04, 11:05 AM
Vote:Addition to the Pool Room.
Drifto Mini Golf too ?
And vending machines that give out performance stickers.
OMG. I've created an unstoppable business idea. Performance Sticker Vending Machines.
hay man dont let anyone put you off there are means and ways around everything do some research and have a go! i bet all these people that are bagging you or saying its not a good idea would be amoung your best customers people are always ready with bad new.. having said that it will not be cheap nor easy if you were wanting to do this for real i would
step 1- write up a business plan
step2- get incontact with your councal and see if you can do it
step 3- talk to an insuracne company this will be the main factor
step4- work out complete cost everything and then add 20% for unknowns
step5- get money! take money from anyone you can!
step6- spend the money
step7- have fun!
oh and if you want an idea of a business plan to copy look for go kart business plans
Step 1. He doesnt know the first thing about business plans, this is clear. His business plan is to build a drift park & let everyone just come & use it whenever they feel like it
Step 2. He is looking in the phone book for councal...he cant find it. Its likely that there are several other authorities that would have restrictions in place for this use too. State Govt, EPA etc etc. Part of any business plan for a venture like this.
Step 3. Tell an insurance company what? He doesnt even have a business plan.
Step 4. Should be work out cost...then walk away. Regardless this is a fairly fundamental part of step 1.
Step 5. Again its part of step 1...a big part. I dont know what blissfully ignorant world you live in but people dont just hand out $10 & $20 mill without expecting a decent return.
Step 6. Spend it??? Where? Lots of sound property development advice here. Again its part of a business plan.
Step 7. Bankruptcy due to incomplete poxy advice aint fun.
So all youve really told him to do is write a business plan, ignore it & go broke. See your help is worse than our discouragement.
Don't be so negative Cal...
Buy to lot!!
When driftors are coming from all over the world you can then sell the land to Sheraton and they can build a themed drift hotel next to the Driftland Park.
And every wall could be a different colour and the whole thing could be held together by cable ties.
P.S. Since we've had the dragon quota filled, i need to see dugongs, we are talking about QLD after all. They are a good looking animal.
And vending machines that give out performance stickers.
OMG. I've created an unstoppable business idea. Performance Sticker Vending Machines.
I like it!
Just install them in the carpark of your local McDonalds for easy access for the target market.
Oh, and Drifto mini golf? I am SO there!
DOOOOOOORIFFFFTOOOO BUSINESS PLAN.
1. Find site
2. Discover why 30 different statutory authorities wont permit you to build a drift park. Resolve to convince them later.
3. Rob several banks/kidnap rich kids & hold for ransom/engage in terrorism & have a govt fund it.
4. Buy Property $10mill
5. Concrete property $5mill
6. Open doors to all 6 dorifto people with busted silvias, charge them $10 for the day...they promise to pay you next time.
7. Continue for 3 months.
8. Close doors as everyone still prefers the industrial areas where they can harrass members of the public & complain about police unfairly picking on them. Oh, & because despite the promises no one ever actually paid.
9. Get sued by doriftos who damaged their cars sitting on the rev limiter for 6 hours.
Edo, point 8 is painfully true ....
Don't be negative Edo.
I did some analysis and it appears to me that what you need is a site that is:
1. Centrally located
2. Has spectator facilities
3. Can tolerate some noise
4. Sufficient lighting for night use
5. Secure enough so the little criminals it attracts can't get in for free
6. Can accomodate the huge media coverage that will naturally occur
7. Close enough to West End Riverside to go drag racing afterwards
and I think I have the answer.
All you'd need to do to make it work is pour lots and lots and lots of concrete and replace the fence with armco.
http://bama.ua.edu/~cricket/Gabba.jpg
Let's get some Venture Capitalists together and see who will take up this wonderful opportunity.
AndyMac
16-11-04, 11:46 AM
I'm concerned that there may not be enough seating to accomodate an average drift meet.
I'm concerned that there may not be enough seating to accomodate an average drift meet.
You have to start somewhere. This will be the initial(D) drift precinct.
We have a Melbourne site in mind for the national championships.
Step 1. He doesnt know the first thing about business plans, this is clear. His business plan is to build a drift park & let everyone just come & use it whenever they feel like it
Step 2. He is looking in the phone book for councal...he cant find it. Its likely that there are several other authorities that would have restrictions in place for this use too. State Govt, EPA etc etc. Part of any business plan for a venture like this.
Step 3. Tell an insurance company what? He doesnt even have a business plan.
Step 4. Should be work out cost...then walk away. Regardless this is a fairly fundamental part of step 1.
Step 5. Again its part of step 1...a big part. I dont know what blissfully ignorant world you live in but people dont just hand out $10 & $20 mill without expecting a decent return.
Step 6. Spend it??? Where? Lots of sound property development advice here. Again its part of a business plan.
Step 7. Bankruptcy due to incomplete poxy advice aint fun.
So all youve really told him to do is write a business plan, ignore it & go broke. See your help is worse than our discouragement.
ok let me just fix what you are having at go at me for
step one i could tell he dosent have any business skill so i was telling him to sit down and write a business plan (saying what it is build a drift park isnt a business plan!)
step 2 -a business plan is ever changeing thing you fill in the blanks as you find them out e.g. step 2 and 3 oh and step 4
step five you have to have a business plan to show investers whats going on im not stuiped i know people dont just hand out money but if you have a great business plan you will find you have a better chance (and yes once you have the information about investers it then goes into the business plan.)
step 6 once you have your investors you then can go find a place that fits into what you are after. (then write it into the business plan)
a business plan is not just somthing you write at the start of a business you are always editing it and adding things in as you find out new information
You could see if the members of the Cricketers Club are into fully sik dorifto action. I'm thinking the Pims & Cognac crowd would be keen as English mustard.
Cal.
AndyMac
16-11-04, 11:55 AM
My Brain hurts reading that.
im shore dat iv nomiz drarfted up da biznis plan den dey wud c datz dis iz a wel fort owt praposil n dat da vyabilatie iz sownd bowf n da mediut n lontirm fucha n dat criket n foobal r juz fadz n da fucha iz n drift n dey shud git behynd diz n not b soo clothes mynded n suport diz n dats da troof
Thats great...so now he knows a business plan is evolving & that its handy to show investors.
Before he even considers putting together an entire business plan he could simply scribble down some numbers...this would save him all the time he would otherwise waste doing a business plan.
Something like this:
Property & development costs $20mill
Projected return 365 days a year, 10 people on average, $10 each = $36500
36500/20,000,000 = 0.18% return.
See, then he doesnt have to go any further.
nomis, dude shutup, its clear that you don't have even a shit crumbs idea of how to create a successful business.
:rotflol: :rotflol: :rotflol: :rotflol: :rotflol: :rotflol:
AndyMac
16-11-04, 12:06 PM
Thats great...so now he knows a business plan is evolving & that its handy to show investors.
Before he even considers putting together an entire business plan he could simply scribble down some numbers...this would save him all the time he would otherwise waste doing a business plan.
Something like this:
Property & development costs $20mill
Projected return 365 days a year, 10 people on average, $10 each = $36500
36500/20,000,000 = 0.18% return.
See, then he doesnt have to go any further.
550 Years to return on the investment before factoring outgoings and not getting any profit......where do i sign up ?????????
I'd start out cheap Dude.
Find a corner a few council barriers to block off a road, tell the pizza guy to find another way home and HEY presto...... illegal drift track, charge bro's (apart from the ones that are golden and brings kids in who pay CASH) $10 a slide.
Property & development costs $20mill
Projected return 365 days a year, 10 people on average, $10 each = $36500
$36,500 profit every year, awesome. I can see the potential now.
never said i could create a successful business i just unlike most of you's put some ideas for this guy to try and get this going edo have you ever done a business plan? casue it seems to me that you have no idea about them becasue they are always evolving you can only write about the information you have and for a few of those steps you have to have a really simple plan before they will even look at you
Not to mention that CAMS now see Drift as under their control so you'd have to go through them, too. Good luck with that. :lol:
edo have you ever done a business plan?
:rotflol:
This coming from someone who lists their occupation as a student. If only you had a clue homis
never said i could create a successful business i just unlike most of you's put some ideas for this guy to try and get this going edo have you ever done a business plan? casue it seems to me that you have no idea about them becasue they are always evolving you can only write about the information you have and for a few of those steps you have to have a really simple plan before they will even look at you
I work for a commercial property developer you retard, I build & refurbish office buildings & shopping centres in all Eastern states...yes I think I have completed a business plan or two.
Not before scratching some numbers out like I did above though...I get paid on results not on my business plan...I think you will find thats how it works
I work for a commercial property developer you retard, I build & refurbish office buildings & shopping centres in all Eastern states...yes I think I have completed a business plan or two.
Not before scratching some numbers out like I did above though...I get paid on results not on my business plan...I think you will find thats how it works
well if thats the case you should no that the business plan is always changeing as you refine the base information you have in it
AndyMac
16-11-04, 12:20 PM
Is this the real world calling ? Helllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllooooooo ooooooooooooooooooo Driftooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo
&
Please... Its changing, not changeing.
well if thats the case you should no that the business plan is always changeing as you refine the base information you have in it
It's just a dumb idea (and that's being generous), there is no "base information". We supplied the "base information" and it clearly shows that the implimentation process is just as I suggested:
Step 1A: Obtayne spel chequer.
Step 1B: Put down on paper how on earth you would recoup the money this will cost.
Step 2: Get your hand off it and buy a skateboard instead.
This whole process should be completed in about 30 seconds (if you don't already have a spell checker).
It's just a dumb idea (and that's being generous), there is no "base information". We supplied the "base information" and it clearly shows that the implimentation process is just as I suggested:
Step 1A: Obtayne spel chequer.
Step 1B: Put down on paper how on earth you would recoup the money this will cost.
Step 2: Get your hand off it and buy a skateboard instead.
step1A are you trying to say i cant spell?? i dont understand
step 1B
as i understand he is trying to build it so people can go use it when ever not as a profitable business (not saying that its not goin to get back any of the money that is spent building it cause you would)
as i understand it to be more like a local skate park (the goverment doesnt charge to use them do they?) yes i understand that its goin to cost alot of money but if you can get the goverment inline other sponsers will follow
just give up dude.... your getting nailed pritty bad
AndyMac
16-11-04, 12:36 PM
Step 1. Find Short Pier
Step 2. Take long walk.
how am i getting "nailed" i have backed up everything i have said
Defender
16-11-04, 12:39 PM
Yep I can see the goverment, the EPA, Cams and the local neighbours busting down your door to get 'Inline'
Dummbest idea ever.
The Pupat
16-11-04, 12:40 PM
step1A are you trying to say i cant spell?? i dont understand
step 1B
as i understand he is trying to build it so people can go use it when ever not as a profitable business (not saying that its not goin to get back any of the money that is spent building it cause you would)
as i understand it to be more like a local skate park (the goverment doesnt charge to use them do they?) yes i understand that its goin to cost alot of money but if you can get the goverment inline other sponsers will follow
Bahaha you're a slow leaner aren't ya. Bet your mum thinks your special though.
This idea should have been left with Edo 2 second viability study where you make no money.
Bahaha you're a slow leaner aren't ya. Bet your mum thinks your special though.
the only thing you have got to say is about me not about my information i dont give a fuck what you say about me i know i cant spell i have a learning problem but its funny how i still manage to back up my points every time i wounder who really is the speical one :knock:
NAliberty
16-11-04, 12:46 PM
Nomis, i assume you have a business degree too. I have been at UQ for too long doing mine. I have done alot of business plans and the like over the course of my degree, also alot of accounting and statistics.
As has been mentioned by Edo, before doing a business plan you have to do the sums and calculate whether such a venture is going to be cost effective. Obviously in this case it just couldn't be!
The other thing you need to understand is that you/we do business plans at uni, and they're all well and good, but do you really think following the formula of your business plan that got you a 3/4/5/6 is worthy (worth the risk) of a multi-million dollar investment?
If this venture is going to even be considered, Klint should be going to a professional to have all of the figures done. (moreso to show him unless he wants to lose millions he shouldn't go ahead with this)
step1A are you trying to say i cant spell?? i dont understand
I give credit where it's due and won't argue with that.
Nomis, i assume you have a business degree too. I have been at UQ for too long doing mine. I have done alot of business plans and the like over the course of my degree, also alot of accounting and statistics.
As has been mentioned by Edo, before doing a business plan you have to do the sums and calculate whether such a venture is going to be cost effective. Obviously in this case it just couldn't be!
The other thing you need to understand is that you/we do business plans at uni, and they're all well and good, but do you really think following the formula of your business plan that got you a 3/4/5/6 is worthy (worth the risk) of a multi-million dollar investment?
If this venture is going to even be considered, Klint should be going to a professional to have all of the figures done. (moreso to show him unless he wants to lose millions he shouldn't go ahead with this)
well said
iv never said its goin to be a highly profitable business i saw it more as a commuinty place like they have for skaters (skate parks) we as motor enthuisests do not have any places that are made by the councial and anyone can go and have a bit of fun with out having to spend heaps and be able to do it when ever personaly the idea isnt a very sound one and would never work but unlike most of these peole i decided just to put a few steps that he could follow if he wanted to have a deeper look into this. what i said was never ment to be taken as the bible there are an infinite ways of going about starting a business and i thought i would just give one option and this is what the thread was about how to start a driftland park and thats what i posted a way to look at starting one!
oh i bet it makes you feel good when you have a go at some one over the net about how they cant spell but its funny that the people who do make fun about spelling or resort to calling people names are the ones who have no idea about anything they just want to see their names and try to make them fell not so stuiped
edit spelling
NAliberty
16-11-04, 01:04 PM
Yeah i know/understand what you're saying. (although that last chunk of paragraph took me a while to decipher)
Your recommendations were good, and make sense, but only a very elementary basis. Don't worry about these OLD :p blokes, the simple fact is generally they do know better, and understandably get sick of people who (like you and myself) only know half of how the world works yet.
or maybe they could just have some respect cause no one knows everything and i was just tryin to help
Realistically (if at all), the only way to do this would be to utilize some existing infrastructure. If you notice, short of International motorsport on street circuits, there is nothing motorsport related in the major centres. The cost of land alone close to a city would make this prohibitive, let alone environmental and social issues.
So you take it out bush, where land is cheaper and legal restrictions are fewer, but then no one wants to go that far as long as industrial estates and the M1 exist. Look what happened to Surfers Paradise Raceway and Lakeside. The owners of the Willowbank precinct would be in the ideal position to make something happen if it was financially viable.
And as far as councils go, I am sure they provide a lot of services now. Just because it doesn't include a driftland or dragstrip doesn't mean they don't do anything. At least they provided sealed roads for all to use........then again if they didn't seal the roads and simply threw blue metal everywhere, that would make one huge drift network!
old baggins
16-11-04, 01:20 PM
restepct where restepct is due.
I am wif u nomis and the other dude trying to kick this off!
At least u r being proactif and not just sittin on da fence slagging people off who r willing to gif it a go!
NAliberty
16-11-04, 01:29 PM
Baggins, i concur, only i'm serious. Good for them having an idea! It's just a shame it was a shit one!
old baggins
16-11-04, 01:31 PM
WTF?
What makes you think I am not serious!
bahaimus
16-11-04, 01:35 PM
WTF?
What makes you think I am not serious!
Your post count of 2010 :D
Geezus, you dont get it do you. I'll make it even simpler.
1. It doesnt matter whether a business plan is an evolving document or not. I was taught that at school too, big farking deal.
2. Before you even write "Business Plan" at the top of a page you should do the basic numbers I did above...& when they turn out that bad you go do something else.
3. So now its gone from a private venture to a publically funded one? Like hell. What chance would any council have of getting re-elected if they went & built a public nuisance like a drift park. It would stand vacant 90% of the time & cost a fortune for the govt to run it.
4. If there was a scrap of thought or common sense involved in the initial idea then maybe someone here with half a clue might have offerred assistance...instead only you did.
Is this clear?
old baggins
16-11-04, 01:40 PM
Your post count of 2010 :D
Dang it!
*kicks the dirt and walks off*
we as motor enthuisests do not have any places that are made by the councial and anyone can go and have a bit of fun with out having to spend heaps and be able to do it when ever
Other than "when ever" have you ever heard of
* car clubs?
* motorkhanas? (Motorkhanas are my newest thing to ram into people's heads)
* other club-level motorsport?
In Brisbane I'd say there would be easily accessible club level motorsport on at least every month.
It's all well and good to propose some "drift park" but without any sort of understanding of what other motorsport is really out there, it's not really showing any that any research has been done.
As for the go-karting comparison, I've paid $20 for 15 mins on a indoor track with carts with crappy steering and hope-and-pray brakes. It's by no means cheap.
Swifty GTi
16-11-04, 02:10 PM
It's attitudes like the majority in here that mean drift will never establish itself as a serious form of motorsport here in Australia....
Thank god :D
First post from Nomis:
hay man dont let anyone put you off there are means and ways around everything do some research and have a go! i bet all these people that are bagging you or saying its not a good idea would be amoung your best customers people are always ready with bad new.. having said that it will not be cheap nor easy if you were wanting to do this for real i would
step 1- write up a business plan
step2- get incontact with your councal and see if you can do it
step 3- talk to an insuracne company this will be the main factor
step4- work out complete cost everything and then add 20% for unknowns
step5- get money! take money from anyone you can!
step6- spend the money
step7- have fun!
oh and if you want an idea of a business plan to copy look for go kart business plans
Translation:
Good afternoon Sir,
Let no man deter you. There are no obstacles that cannot be overcome, just heed my words and stay the course of your actions regardless.
I will wager that the nay sayers who question the viability of your proposal will patronise the venue more than any other and ensure your ongoing success. Their statements are ill-considered and unfounded.
By virtue of my vast experience and having a clear understanding of the involved costings, I propose the following course of action:
[insert text from failed first year assignment]
Bottom line:
Quoting the term "business plan" three times in one post will impress some of your mates but when what is needed is a 2 second feasibility study followed by a reality check for anyone considering spending time or money on this, expect that someone might point it out.
I'd be embarrassed to come up with something like this, apologise for getting so drunk and thank anyone who stopped me from going on about it any further.
Hence, we were nice to the guy whereas you just encouraged him to waste money he probably doesn't have and time he could use more effectively on a stupid idea.
Shame on you Nomis.
Wobbler
16-11-04, 02:33 PM
The business plans you guys have thought up are far to complicated
1. Decide you want a place to do some dori dori in 15 year old shitboxes
2. ???
3. Profit
So much simpler than all these 8 and 9 step plans
Wang Fitzwell
16-11-04, 02:39 PM
what color will this driftpark be
* motorkhanas? (Motorkhanas are my newest thing to ram into people's heads)
Hell, I know I was doing my best to turn the Centro Toombul round of the Qld Championship into a dorifto fest the other Sunday in the deluge. Only difference is I was competing for a time. Not for a score randomly plucked from the air.
Cal.
old baggins
16-11-04, 02:46 PM
*hands cal a butterfly net*
http://home.pacific.net.au/~dboman/dungong.JPG
Well people I think we might have got rid of nomis...:)
Babalouie
16-11-04, 03:04 PM
Well people I think we might have got rid of nomis...:)
I wonder if he was related to DbJury :)
Dugongs don't drift they glide!
most important stage in designing a drift park:
ensure the driveway is setup to allow cars fitted with Superlows to enter without bottoming out.
I wonder if he was related to DbJury :)
Are you suggesting that DBJURY and Denjam69 have a lovechild?
Besides Racedriver of course!
What is "nomis" spelt backwards?
you havent gotten rid of me i just havent had any more to say on this topic
Cool, start another topic then.
Keep talking about me and calling me names it means nothing your all big and tuff over the net, its funny how I manage to go the whole time with out getting personal but yet you wankers cant handled facts and cant fight back facts with facts so you resort to calling people names its so childish. Maybe you should all grow up and respect people. This whole thing just shows that some people can’t remain civil while having a disagreement. Maybe you’s should go back to grunting and beating each other over the head with fish! It might suit your personality better.
Plebs like to by houses next to race tracks, airports, water treatment plants ect and then complain about noise. Bleeding hearts get on their side and someone is held accountable for their supidity. Never them.
Cal.
Been done many a time especially next to defence establishments where weapons testing is conducted. One dead shit can stop an entire proof range from carrying out fun things such as firing 155mm artillery or testing the lastest whizz bang rocket launcher.
If it was up to me I’d zero their house in and give them 30 mins to shut the fuck up/ stop bitching or get blown to kingdom come :)
Nah, there was a minute there where we (well I) was thinking that perhaps you were actually Rolin7 who's name is also Simon...thats why I called you a dickhead.
I havent been bashed in the head with a fish for ages...well ever actually...who does that? Can I watch?
Im pretty sure that none of your arguments contained any facts whatsoever, stupid me used logic & commonsense to argue with someone who knows only what a business plan is & apparently thinks if you have one and realise that it is a constantly changing document then you are assured of great success.
Been done many a time especially next to defence establishments where weapons testing is conducted. One dead shit can stop an entire proof range from carrying out fun things such as firing 155mm artillery or testing the lastest whizz bang rocket launcher.
If it was up to me I’d zero their house in and give them 30 mins to shut the fuck up/ stop bitching or get blown to kingdom come :)
Hahaha, Val youre a legend...blowing someone up for having a sook...love it:)
Relax Nomis,
Only one wanker called you a name. You could return fire, but you'd have to get really abusive to even come close to what the rest of us wankers call him.
no im not rolin7
having a business plan wont assure you a success but it sure will help and the only thing i was proving when i was saying that the business plan was a changing document was when you qutoed me on page 3 saying oh thats a part of the business plan in the different steps and i was just showing you that the business plan was ever changeing to prove that my steps were right and to show that you were just nite picking
Ive never picked a nite in my life
im sure the only thing you pick is your nose :rotflol:
I think it’s the antithesis of night filling.
Wang Fitzwell
16-11-04, 03:39 PM
Nah, there was a minute there where we (well I) was thinking that perhaps you were actually Rolin7 who's name is also Simon...thats why I called you a dickhead.
ive hurd this rolin7 guy is top bloke, why would he need to hide behind a fake name?
You can always pick rolins alter egos because of the way they spell lol
im sure the only thing you pick is your nose :rotflol:
Well I tried picking your brain...but quickly realised I was wasting my time.
Evo_Lee
16-11-04, 03:44 PM
What always amuses me is people taking ideas seen working overseas and trying to implement them in a population 1/6 of the size, not to mention the cultural aspect.
OK, so they in the States have taken to drifting, but they don't have much of a interesting motorsports event :p. While us Australians are a funny bunch not to mention are ruled by nazi govt safety freaks!
I can already see it won't be very successful even if you managed to get through the approval process.
Isn't Nomis...Simon's Canadian cousin!
Justin, oi keep your eye on the ball. :D
Wang, thats not what Ive hurd...yes OXY...I know
nomis, Rolin7 is the owner of this joint.
who is rolin7 ?
The guy with the username rolin7, who's real name just strangely happens to be your username spelt backwards.
Unless you are SimonRX7/AE86 and have returned under another name. Why is it all drift monkeys seem to be named Simon?
im no drift money i own a triton mini truck (say no more lol) iv never said this idea would work all i did was give a hint on what to do and you all turned on me as tho it was my silly idea!
Oh, FFS a bloody taco truck driver...
no im not rolin7
having a business plan wont assure you a success but it sure will help and the only thing i was proving when i was saying that the business plan was a changing document was when you qutoed me on page 3 saying oh thats a part of the business plan in the different steps and i was just showing you that the business plan was ever changeing to prove that my steps were right and to show that you were just nite picking
The most important part of a business plan is to ensure the venture is feasible. In this case, it is clear that it would not be a profitable business (if you intend to run it that way). If this is a community venture, who in there right mind (and Im assuming your talking about a council or community) will fund a purpose built track costing tens of millions so that panel damaged shit boxes can slide around.
Edo and the like are very experienced in the areas of motorsport & business and understand the costs involved. For someone to even suggest this venture would be profitable is a performance sticker short of an el drifto car
Evo_Lee
16-11-04, 03:58 PM
edo, it is possible to drift a 8meter 4ton truck...I watched it once on TV over here ;)
Though you have to be mad and stupid enough to do it.
Hahaha, Val youre a legend...blowing someone up for having a sook...love it:)
Goes further then that Guy. Most of the proof ranges in Oz can’t test any more because of the wankers complaining about a shell going off 10km away. One old lady can stop a test in bum fuck idaho if she really wanted to all because of the lawyer type arse lickers and greenie/roo lovers.
Only way to deal with these people is to use them as bait in places like fallujah where they’d quickly learn the value of national security.
p.s lay off the kid :) he isn’t as experienced in red tape and other forms of developer tuggery as you mate lol
Evo_Lee, Yes. In fact Mt Cotton has an LVMA (large vehicle manouvering area) that is sprinklered with deisel & water for just this purpose...they say its skid control but I reckon they are just big dooriftors
Ustasa, Yeah...Australias oldest pig farm outside hobart was shut down after the neighbours that moved in 6 months before complained about the smell.
Hey this is one resiliant kid...he keeps getting up for more...its legitimate sport I say
What always amuses me is people taking ideas seen working overseas and trying to implement them in a population 1/6 of the size, not to mention the cultural aspect.
Oh I don't know. War seemed to float pretty well with the Australian people. :yup:
Cal.
Now Cal, that's just un-Australian.
The Australian public voted to keep fighting the war against terror. That involves invading countries that have stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction, detain people without charges, throw children overboard and ... umm ... have oil reserves the Bush family find interesting.
Really, what choice did we have?
Babalouie
16-11-04, 04:44 PM
I think that we invaded Iraq because drifting is un-Australian and after all, we have all seen those arab drifting videos haven't we :)
Now I get it..
Klint and Nomis are conspiring to build a terrorist training facility and their posts are coded messages to Al Qaeda.
Go get 'em Johnny!
Now Cal, that's just un-Australian.
The Australian public voted to keep fighting the war against terror. That involves invading countries that have stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction, detain people without charges, throw children overboard and ... umm ... have oil reserves the Bush family find interesting.
Really, what choice did we have?
LOL......I kind of like New Zealand's "shhh nobody knows we are are here" policy a little better. :)
Cal.
Evo_Lee
16-11-04, 05:07 PM
I'll tell you what the Australian people are and what we uniquely poses, a simple thing called common sense! Or is this the Australia I know it before I left or just the PF community.
Speed cameras don't save lives, drifting ain't motorsports etc...
Cal, but isn't New Zealander also Australian...I always thought they are the 7th State :p
Brenton_s15
16-11-04, 05:09 PM
Klint, I think you've got a top idea.
I don't know what permit you would need, but you could defiantly do it without involving CAMS. You would need a little bit of public liability insurance, but that shouldn't cost much. Cripes, most places give you 5 million in PL when you insure your house with them, so PL insurance won't be much. Just get everyone to sign the standard disclaimers and you should be right. As for how to go about it, it might help if you can get someone on-side who is really pissed off with CAMS. That shouldn't be very hard and I'd probably start with Bob Jane. You should be able to find his phone number in the phone-book or just phone your local T-Mart and ask for the boss.
Before you start calling Bob, I would get nomis on-side and ask him for some help. He seems to know all about business plans. He is also aware that they are really dynamic and always changing, which is really important. You will need someone who understands this on your team and I think putting nomis on some sort of a retainer would be a really good idea. Once nomis has helped you with your business plan, then get Bob's phone number and go for it.
If you want this place to be available for anyone to use at any time, I'd suggest you try to plan for a 24-hour operation. I'm sure that if your business plan had provision for an on-site McDonalds and Krispy Kremes, you'd be on a real winner. Both of these corporations would be huge draw cards for your target market and I reckon Bob would be really impressed if you acknowledged this in your business plan. Being experienced at working with local governments, they could probably help with your approvals too.
I don't think asphalt would be cheaper than concrete and even if it was, your target market would probably prefer concrete anyway. It would be much better for skids and drift. Soft walls would also be another big draw-card. I'm sure that the guys at CSR could help you with something in this area. Their Hebel division has some pretty neat stuff. It might be worth trying to get CSR on-board as a major sponsor. They could supply the concrete through their Readymix division and the soft walls through their Hebel division. It would be a huge win for them too.
Don't forget to point these things out to nomis for inclusion in the business plan, as I think they could save you a lot of money.
Oh, one other little tip that might work well in the business plan. Try to get the local council to close all of the Industrial Estates in their area. This would really help with patronage.
I would also have a word with the Local Area Commander from the Police Department. Just remind him that you will be providing a local McDonalds and Krispy Kreme for his boys and girls. This means they can easily obtain their staple dietary items and it would be really nice of them if they wouldn’t defect your customers. Explain to him how if you get shut-down, his crew would need to drive another 30 minutes or more, just to get lunch. This should provide all the incentive he needs to get on-side.
Swifty GTi
16-11-04, 05:22 PM
Been done many a time especially next to defence establishments where weapons testing is conducted. One dead shit can stop an entire proof range from carrying out fun things such as firing 155mm artillery or testing the lastest whizz bang rocket launcher.
If it was up to me I’d zero their house in and give them 30 mins to shut the fuck up/ stop bitching or get blown to kingdom come :)
what do you mean by 1 deadshit ?
There's a whole suburb of them, it's called Liberty Grove.
(10pm all of sudden it's stop firing at Holsworthy, the locals want to sleep - :gay: )
Brenton makes a lot of sense. Perhaps he should be retained in a consulting role?
Don't worry that we all know it will take 550 years to break even (not allowing for repayment of interest, wages, insurance, rates, power, leased equipment, maintenance, cleaning, administration or advertising. A business plan is a changing and evolving document and you can add those things when you work out who is actually going to pay you some money other than 19 year old kids who can't afford new cable ties.
Most financiers are idiots and wouldn't work it out in the first 400 years anyway.
What else should be factored in?
Any venue suggestions other than a removable patchwork concrete blanket over the Gabba playing surface?
Please take into account the natural assets and nearby attractions that will support your suggestions.
Defender
16-11-04, 05:47 PM
Brenton, you just made it work, with that business plan I am happy to give you 4mil to start up, and 1 mil per year running costs with a commitment of 15 years.
Do I get some free donuts with this deal, as it WILL be the desciding factor.
Good luck boys a very optimistic outlook. Unfortunatley when you go to deal with the council, EPA, Lands department, water board an optimistic outlook wont help. We have enough troubles getting million dollar homes passed and small multi residential developments through. 1 year just to get 6 simple single storey units passed.
A development company is proposing a racetrack ( i know slightly different) but its taken him 2 years so far, just got another knock back and is now going to the land and environment court, and he does this for a living with over 15 years experience.
Brenton_s15
16-11-04, 07:08 PM
Pffttt. Million Dollar homes don't mean crap in local council and in fact you have buckleys of getting them approved easily for one simple reason. The poor slobs who have to approve them are living in a low-life $200,000- dog-box. Your million dollar home just rubs their nose in it, so what the heck do you expect.
Now, you get McDonalds and Krispy Kreme going in to battle for the average joe on the street and your council worker can relate to that. Get Police support for the local youth so they've got somewhere to hang-out and the cops know where they all are, and it's an Open Misere.
Brenton has solved it again!
Put Doriftoland next to million dollar homes! The council planner is now rubbing the millionaire's nose in it, the millionaire's son can sell drugs to the kiddies at Doriftoland, that home insurance / PLI scams works out because it's a good neighbourhood, McDonalds and Krispy Kremes can look after the munchie situation and the cops can come down and defect cars, bust drug dealers then grab a snack.
Nomis, you getting all this?
Brenton_s15
16-11-04, 09:12 PM
Since the housing estate will want a ritzy sounding name, I don't think you can call it Driftland. It sounds too much like Disneyland or some kiddies’ playground you'd find in the low-life areas. Therefore, it won't attract the right class of Millionaire. You want the really rich ones who can afford to bankroll their kiddies drug running businesses until they can get their own financing and contacts in place.
I think you need something which is a little more up-market, perhaps with a bit of a Samba style, Latin-American feel. Especially as that seems to be coming back into vouge. My first suggestion would be to try something like El-Dorifto. If it is going to be in Queensland and near the Gold Coast, then you might need to go with El-Dorifto Waters. That should mean you can get a few thousand dollars more for each block that you sub-divide.
Get a few trenches dug which link up to the main canals and you also solve your water problems for the skidpan, while jacking up the property prices even more. That also takes care of the EPA and Water Board. Just recycle it all back into the canal and no one has anything to complain about. Now your drift-park is also environmentally friendly.
So far we've taken care of, CAMS, Insurance, Local Council, EPA, Water Board, Neighbours, Police, Corporate Sponsorship, and getting it all bankrolled. Have we forgotten anything ?
Oh shit, the politicians!
Fortunately all of ours are pretty cheap, so thats an easy one. Just be a little selective about who you give some of the contracts to for things like security patrols for El-Dorifto Waters and the like ;) They really seem to like that sort of stuff and strangely enough, most of them already have good little businesses, which lend themselves to this type of contract. You will need to be a little careful about how that sort of stuff is shown in the Business Plan, but I'm sure nomis will know how to handle that for you. Bob might not be quite as sharp as nomis, so you may need to take him aside and explain it to him. I'm sure Bob knows a little about graft and corruption, although probably not on the scale you would be talking about. His previous experience would probably only extend as far as giving someone a set of All-Rounders at cost, so you might need to explain the need to grease a few wheels.
AndyMac
16-11-04, 09:20 PM
Rancho-Drifto.
Brenton_s15
16-11-04, 09:25 PM
Defender, everyone should get a free donut with their admission to Dorifto-Park. If Klint is smart he will make sure that there is a Krispy Kreme drive-through on part of the main circuit.
Actually, I've just had another idea. You know how some places have those side-show games for young kids where they collect tickets ? Some of these have those oversize air-cannons that shoot small basket-balls at a target. Well, imagine one of those filled with Krispy Kreme donuts ?
The punters buy a box of Krispy Kreme's and load them into the cannon. Then they pay another five bucks and get to aim the cannon out towards the circuit. The really good drifters could slide around and do their one-handed stunts while grabbing a dount as their reward. Is that a winner or what ?
Krispy Kreme get to sell shit-loads of donuts, Klint makes a few bucks on the cannon hire and the drivers get a free feed. It's better than a win-win situation, because this one is a win-win-win-win scenario. Besides, it would look really good in the business plan. It boosts everyones profit and shows a double win-win scenario and that always looks good on paper.
AndyMac
16-11-04, 09:36 PM
The business plan could also evolve and include a highly profitable line of merchandise.
The International Drift-Vistors could remember their stay at "El-Rancho-Drifto" with keyrings, T-Shirts and velco wallets, adding another very valuable source of income to the business.
Of course, being the Community Service that "El-Rancho-Drifto" is, all proceeds will go back into the infrastructure.
You may one day find that Hot4's, Speed, etc, etc, etc, giving out rare limited edition, personally signed nimos&klint "El-Rancho-Drifto Land" shirts with each new subscription.
Can anyone come up with a logo ?
I like your thinking, Brenton. :)
Perhaps get Delfin involved? They've got the experience at massive subdivsions (Forrest Lake in Brisbane's West, for example) and they like to have a Lake at the centre of the development as well as having a faux community spirit alread made when you move in. And, half of the back streets in those places are really tight and twisty already so Delfin's town planners are practically already drift circuit designers.
I dunno, but this is Poolroom effort if ever I saw it :eek:
old baggins
17-11-04, 10:18 AM
Justin, oi keep your eye on the ball. :D
I only lost concentration mementarily - ready for slip action once more.
Well Im glad we finally worked out what a business plan is...
Now, what's a feasibility study?
This:
Property & development costs $20mill
Projected return 365 days a year, 10 people on average, $10 each = $36500
36500/20,000,000 = 0.18% return.
Brenton_s15
17-11-04, 10:44 AM
80DGY, this is serious. Klint is really onto something here and just needs a little help.
Saru, I like your thinking although while it might be nice to have a professional developer involved, I think they would probably end up shafting Klint and it is his idea and an original one at that. A large developer like Delfin would probably want to take over the whole project which would leave Klint, nomis and their backer out in the cold.
A better idea might be to just buy as much surrounding land as possible and then find out which local councillor or state politician has a small development company. Then get this persons company to court Delfin and steal the plans once the Delfin guy's submit their proposal. Of course whoever you had doing the development would need to provide a decent "over-ride" ;) for the privilege of building this prestige environment.
Done properly El-Dorifto Waters could become the premier housing estate in the country. I would suggest that Klint keep ownership of a large chunk of it too. This way he could sell time-share housing and really cash in on the tourist market, which could turn El-Dorifto Park into the Drift Capital of the world.
Setup a bit of a negative gearing scheme on the rental properties and you have a recurring income that is indexed at slightly higher than current market rates. This helps by providing a positive cash-flow against the few incidentals for running the place. Combine this with the tax benefits and offsets gained from the Macas and KK sites, and the balance sheets start to look really good after only a few months.
You may need to sell a few of these properties cheaply though as you will definately need the drug pushers. These blokes will help you by attracting all of the crack whores, which will see the lads from everywhere want to visit El-Dorifto Park. I'm sure that nomis will find a way to hide this in the business plan. At the very least, make it look as though it is a cash-flow positive thing. You can probably offset it against the tax incentives you will get from the government as part of their youth training and assistance program.
With enough land, then you could even put in your own air-strip. During the day, you charge the airlines a landing fee for all the tourists you will attract. At night you get the local skanks to remove their t-shirts, flash their tits and start the drags. This little side business caters to two new markets while providing local employment.
Since El-Dorifto Park will be so popular and the coolest place on earth, you could probably even charge for parking in the car-park at the MacDonalds and Krispy Kremes. You might need to allow a small part of this income to each corporation although I'm sure nomis would know how to make this look attractive to them in his business plan. Don't forget that at the moment these corporations are providing free parking at popular night-spots and I'm sure they haven't realised what a golden cash-cow they have overlooked. Point this out to them in the business plan and I'm sure you will get their support. Dont give them to much of the fees though. Remember they are used to selling stuff for a buck a piece, so if you charge $10- per hour, you will only need to give them a dollar and they'll be ecstatic. The punters will also think that $10 per hour is bloody cheap. Remember that they are currently paying $20 per hour to park in car-parks which are locked up and underground and then have to go somewhere else for entertainment. At El-Dorifto Park, they only pay $10 per hour and get to sit in their cars and look really cool while not having to go anywhere.
Actually, I've just had a brilliant idea and I'm pretty sure that Bob will love it.
In fact, I'm pretty sure this will be the deal maker for him.
Put a burn-out pad in the middle of the car-park ! :yup:
Then let Bob put a T-Mart right next to the McDonalds and Krispy Kremes. Tell him to stock it with retreads and all the other crap tyres he currently has to pay to have shredded and buried. He'll love it. A man with Bob's business accumen would realise what a golden opportunity this would be. He could even source free stock from every tyre shop in the country. At the moment the tyre places charge people a $3- disposal fee. They could simply change this to a $3- transport fee to send all of their old tyres to El-Dorifto Park. I'm sure that Bob would be on first name terms with Lindsay Fox and could swing a deal to get the stock transported. Then Bob could sell the tyres real cheap and charge a few bucks to fit them. Since the boy's would be burning them up, he wouldn't need to balance them so it would be a really quick cash earner for him. The lads wouldn't buy their tyres anywhere else cheaper and Bob could corner the world market in used tyres. Nomis, make sure you put this in the first part of the Business Plan. Combined with Bob's disdain for CAMS, he'll be in like Flynn. Your bankroll is now a dead set cert.
Don't forget though that one of the key attractions for the beginners will be the soft walls. You've really got to make sure that people realise this and it should be a key part of your marketing.
WoW... Think of the possibilities. McDonalds, Krispy Kremes, Cool parking, Burnouts, Cheap Rubber, Drifting with Soft Walls and lots of local skanks with small titties. I wanna go there already, what's the address ?
Brenton_s15
17-11-04, 10:46 AM
Property & development costs $20mill
Projected return 365 days a year, 10 people on average, $10 each = $36500
36500/20,000,000 = 0.18% return.
You're not looking at the big picture Edo :sad:
Brenton_s15
17-11-04, 10:48 AM
Now, what's a feasibility study?
I'm sure nomis knows all about this coyote.
Besides, we've pretty much done the feasibility study for him.
I'm pretty sure we've covered all bases and I reckon it's feasible :O
Sorry, I'll re do it to suit the big picture.
Property & development costs $20mill
Projected return 365 days a year, 100 people on average, $10 each = $365,000
Krispy Kreme rental $500,000
Maccas rental $500,000
Bobs rental $300,000
Airfield Rental $400,000
Total Rentals $1,700,000
Parking (10 times as many people will watch as compete) $10 x 1000 x 365 = $3,650,000
Total Income= $5,715,000
5,715,000/20,000,000 = 28% return.
Pay bob 10% interest on his $20mill & youre still left with $3,715,000 or a 18% return.
Dunno what I was thinking...Im glad feasibility studies can evolve as well as business plans
Defender
17-11-04, 11:01 AM
http://63.247.76.51/drifto.jpg
Can I work in advertising ? :D
I wanna go there already, what's the address ?
Me too..
Corners of Stanley, Wellington, Vulture and Ipswich Rd Woolloongabba plus the surrounding 10 blocks.
http://63.247.76.51/drifto.jpg
Can I work in advertising ? :D
Best picture post - ever! *
* Excluding the CTR700 pictures which were destroyed by Al Qaeda
old baggins
17-11-04, 11:10 AM
This place deadset sounds awesome Brenton! It may even convince me to lose the training wheels and by a real car!
Please factor in defender on a $150k salary as Director - Business Development.
Okay, I get the message Ronald.
If I promise not to mention CTR600 again, can the forums stay up?
What about security? I’m sure we could round up some PF rabble and tool them up. Keep the doriftors in line and also pick up the skanks that will no doubt flock to this mecca of hektik racing.
p.s Grand opening will feature CTR-700 as the first dorift car on the track running at 75% of it’s total power output.
Brenton_s15
17-11-04, 11:41 AM
Edo, it is obvious that you are a newbie at this development game so let me explain a few things I learnt last week. I’ve done a bit of homework and I reckon the tyre market alone could make this thing feasible.
There are about 18 million tyres disposed of each year in Australia.
http://www.deh.gov.au/industry/waste/tyres/
The average cost of disposal is $0.50 per tyre and his includes a $0.20 fee for transportation
http://www.deh.gov.au/industry/waste/tyres/national-approach/apps.html#app2
Tyre shops presently charge a $3- disposal fee, which is way to high.
This is how we make it work.
The tyre shops charge their customers a fee of $2.50 for tyres which are sent to El-Dorifto Park. This will ensure that customers demand that there tyres are sent there.
The tyre shops keep $0.50 of this money and sell the tyres to Bob for $1.50 each and pay Lindsay Fox $0.50 to transport them to El-Dorifto Park. Lindsay will love this as he is now getting an extra 30 cents per tyre in freight fees alone. This will put an extra $5.4 Million into his bottom line each year. The tyre shops will see an increase in their revenue base of $9 Million each year. So they will support the initiative too.
Now. Bob has got the tyres delivered to El-Dorifto Park for a buck fifty each and he can sell them for say $10 fitted. If we assume that each tyre takes 3 minutes to fit and the average tyre changer bloke gets paid a salary of $32,000 a year ($30 per hour), then we can assume Bob’s overheads are about the same as the salary. This means that it costs Bob about $4.50 per tyre to supply and fit. Bob is raking in $99 Million a year just in the tyres for El-Dorifto Park. If Klint structures a deal with Bob whereby just 10 percent of this figure goes back to El-Dorifto Park, he’s raking in $9.9 Million a year just from tyres.
Now, I know that the first thing you guys are going to say is what about the old tyres, right ? Well, this is where this plan gets really beautiful. Bob also charges the lads a $2.50 disposal fee and guess what, he re-cycles this back into his stock and doesn’t have to pay any freight or anything. This sees Bob recover an extra $45 Million in disposal fees and he is then making an extra $1.50 on each tyre which gains him another $27 Million, which is a grand total of $72 Million. Now, we’ve got Bob making an extra $171 Million ($99Million + $72 Million) which sees Klints cut increase to $17.1 Million. It’s money for jam.
I'm not to good with percentages Edo, so I'll let you work out what the return rate is. BTW, don't forget that we want Klints EBIT to be really good so that when he floats this puppy both him and Bob make an absolute killing.
Brenton_s15
17-11-04, 11:44 AM
This place deadset sounds awesome Brenton! It may even convince me to lose the training wheels and by a real car!
If you were smart Baggins, you could probably do a deal with Klint and get the exclusive rights to sell all of the 15-year old imports on-site ! Get Evo_Lee to visit a few of the Japanese auctions for you. Ask him to take some dodgy photo's, Email them to you or just stick them on your web-site and you're set.
Wobbler
17-11-04, 11:58 AM
http://63.247.76.51/drifto.jpg
Can I work in advertising ? :D
All you need to do is include the dude in red from this (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/chosen_one2003/pic3.jpg) picture and you are set.
Verd1ct
17-11-04, 11:59 AM
Guys.. Your forgetting your going to need around about 100T of this stuff..
(I actually saw this sign at work yesterday and couldn't help but take a photo).
If you were smart Baggins, you could probably do a deal with Klint and get the exclusive rights to sell all of the 15-year old imports on-site ! Get Evo_Lee to visit a few of the Japanese auctions for you. Ask him to take some dodgy photo's, Email them to you or just stick them on your web-site and you're set.
This is a great cashflow idea!
Get a 90% cash deposit on sighting of said dodgey photo, the remainder (plus an adjustment for currency fluctuation) in 2 years when the car lands!
So Brenton, will you be available to help Nomis with the prospectus?
Defender
17-11-04, 12:07 PM
woohoo 150k a year!
Do I get free rides ?
And, wobbler... dude, I am the advertising man OK!, I know my market, he is not what we want, he is too hard core for us, he is always going to live one drift at a time, and if he is not racing his mates in the industry area, he is not living..
Respect for the free driftor, for they are rare....
ooohhh a territorial executive...love it!
Oh, now that brenton has come up with the extra $17mill & then theres gotta be another $5mill in 15y/o imports we are up to a grand total of around $28mill return on our original $20mill which hasnt changed because we get lots of stuff for nuthin.
Thats 140%, which is quite a bit more than the initial .18% we started with.
Lucky a business plan is a changing document or we'd be stuck losing money still.
old baggins
17-11-04, 12:31 PM
If you were smart Baggins, you could probably do a deal with Klint and get the exclusive rights to sell all of the 15-year old imports on-site ! Get Evo_Lee to visit a few of the Japanese auctions for you. Ask him to take some dodgy photo's, Email them to you or just stick them on your web-site and you're set.
oh Brenton, believe you me, we are working on it. This place is gonna rock!
old baggins
17-11-04, 12:32 PM
Okay, I get the message Ronald.
If I promise not to mention CTR600 again, can the forums stay up?
:rotflol:
I was just wondering if we could fit a coilover business in here somewhere as I can see a serious triple win on the cards. Buy 100 sets of really crappy coilovers from japanese wreckers at $50 a set. Don't worry if they're shagged, rusty or bent, that gives them true street cred "these coilovers have experience moite, they ben dorifted in japan, they're sic". The only thing you have to worry about is ensuring it has a japanese brandname because we all know a rusty JIC damper is much better than a new penske (american crap) one.
Most important is to get Bob to do the fitting, he can charge $50 a corner and kick $20 of that back to you. Now, here's the important bit, after about a month the customer will have someone drive the car who will remark "this suspension is crap, you can't drive on that". At this point the customer comes back and you put on your best surprised face, say "really, I can't believe tanaka-san (your imaginary japanese supplier) ripped me off". Because you're such an honest businessman not only do you offer to replace the suspension but you also give bob a quick call and arrange for him to change it for the special price of $50 a corner (with your $20 kickback). Obviously the next muppet that comes in for suspension gets sold what you just removed and soon enough you have 100 sets of coilovers being changed every month with $80 per set being kicked back to you. That's about 96k a year and a bit extra for Bob. Better yet, everyone thinks you're a legend and "Tanaka-san" is a complete bastard
Hmm, thinking about this one, I've made a mess of my original investment. Don't buy the coilovers, simply organise things with Baggins so that when he imports his 15 year old cars you sell the person the coilovers that are already on the car, this saves you fitting costs and instead of costing $50 each set to get your stock the customer pays you $1000.
It's a winner I reckon.
Close IMOA, but this idea is too labour intensive. $96k is chicken feed but one T-Mart would be stretched to do more than 100 sets of coilovers per month without jeopardising the multi-million dollar used tyre business.
What we need to do is enter into an agreement with Bob to set up D-Marts all over the country to cater for the passive drift market. For every driftor at Driftland, there will be 200 wannabe kiddies who will just get the coil-over and utilise the sticker vending machine.
The venture could utilise the existing T-Mart distribution channels for the stickers and re-use damaged coil-overs from Driftland in kiddie's road cars. The coil-overs brought in from Japan have stuffed internals... stuffed with ecstacy that is.
Our millionaire sons now have a line into the entire country and we only charge them a very reasonable 80% cut.
Of course the D-Mart franchise is 98% owned by Driftland (Bob can have 2%).
T0nyGTSt
17-11-04, 01:22 PM
Ya know... that's not a bad idea...
There are tyre/suspension places in Japland that serve the drift community.
The drift kiddies want the sik Jap brands in coils and tyres... give it to them :D
T.
old baggins
17-11-04, 01:43 PM
*adjusts suit*
have been gone online for 2 days and there's 7 pages of threads.
thanks for all the suggestions and discouragements, all noted.
I need a bit of time to my research and come up a feasibilty report and a short business plan.
Will be back to Singapore next year Feb to get some $$$.
Please please please post the feasibility & BP here...:)
Lint,
When you are rich and famous, don't forget who got you started!
ok thats enough... im sure this isnt the last we'll hear of this one
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