View Full Version : TRACTION PROBLEMS! help help help!!!!!!!!!!
My ride is an R34 GTT single turbo, rear wheel drive. its fully stock except for a CAT-BACK EXHAUST and R33 GTR RIMS... this is my problem,
when i floor it in FIRST GEAR from a ROLL-START at about 10KM/H, everything is fine until 5,500RPM... from 5,500RPM to the 7000RPM redline, my wheels keep spining and i cant get any TRACTION... WHY??!!!! im losing heaps of performance this way....
it only happens in first gear...
like i said, its stock, PLUS i got 255/40/zr17 GTR R33 wheels on it, so they are HEAPS wide, BUT im still losing traction!!! WHY???!!!!
i even tried running my back tires at 14psi, but still it dosent help... wats wrong????????
for example, i raced a ford XR6-turbo, roll-start, and FIRST GEAR we were neck to neck, until 5,500RPM, then my wheels started spinning, and he was a car length ahead of me... if my car didnt lose traction, i reckon it would have been neck to neck all the way threw the gears....
so plz, does anybody know why my car is doing this??? and how can i fix it? thanx.....
Is this a joke?
Some people have more money than sense it seems :rolleyes:
bakergeoff
29-03-05, 11:20 AM
Tyres? :confused:
you need to wake up to yourself. Sell the GTT and get a GTR. These can nevar loose
What sort of springs do you have? Lows or super lows? I'm pretty sure that in your case using a Hi Clone and a fuel catalyst would solve the issue.
Forgive me for not taking you seriously.
you need to wake up to yourself. Sell the GTT and get a GTR. These can nevar loose
:rotflol:
try a bigger rear wing or some subwoofers in the boot to help get more traction.
Stevesv8
29-03-05, 11:30 AM
And to think there is still two weeks until the school holidays....... :rolleyes:
Calibrate your ankle.
Better yet, give the car to me. Get yourself something that doesn't require a calibrated ankle.
InsaneAsylum
29-03-05, 11:32 AM
go and buy a set of falken azenis st215 semi slicks for your rear end. they don't last as long as cheap tyres but they give good wet and dry performance. they are a softer compound hence why they don't last as long, but have far better road holding ability.
DaGoodGuy
29-03-05, 11:34 AM
Try not dragging other cars on the street and thrashing it to 7000rpm redline.
:eek:
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Here's how to test if it's your tyres fault:
1) Point the car at a large tree in the distance
2) Accelerate as hard as possible
3) Slam on the brakes when approximately 1 meter from the tree
If you stop in time then your tyres must be very good so you can rule them out.
Cookiemonster
29-03-05, 11:58 AM
so plz, does anybody know why my car is doing this???
Yes.
and how can i fix it? thanx.....
It's a secret.
Tirlista
29-03-05, 12:00 PM
SIk Advcie Allz!!1!1
Doz it mattta iF the car iz white????@ should I spray it da same az GTR700?!1
My cuz reckonz i shud.
I've heard of something that might fix the problem, it's called intelligent self learning organic traction control. I think HKS sell it though I'm told there's been a lot of problems getting it to work on skylines.
IMOA....apparently it works on most Skylines as long as they are not referred to as "rides"
End yourself, traction problem solved.
Ahh, that must be similar to intelligent self learning organic stability control which doesn't work on silvias while they are simply cruising. This is meant to be a particular problem in the rain.
Cookiemonster
29-03-05, 12:10 PM
I've heard of something that might fix the problem, it's called intelligent self learning organic traction control.
Can we please stick to solutions that can actually be applied here.
Stop putting petrol in the car.. that should help you, and everyone else on the road.
MRMOPARMAN
29-03-05, 12:12 PM
go into your local nissan dealer, and ask for a "long weight". these were an option on R34 GTRs and really help traction on GTT's. they fit up in the boot underneath the parcel shelf. they will probs have to order one from japan though
My friend Marty McFly had a similar problem with his Delorian. Whenever he hit 85 Mph his car would lose traction leaving flames on the road and then he would end up in a different year.
The solution was to leave his car on a railway line and wait for a train to smash it. Have you tried this yet?
Cookiemonster
29-03-05, 12:20 PM
My friend Marty McFly had a similar problem with his Delorian. Whenever he hit 85 Mph his car would lose traction leaving flames on the road and then he would end up in a different year.
The solution was to leave his car on a railway line and wait for a train to smash it. Have you tried this yet?
I tried that. Train was cancelled. I went home. Sydney sux.
DaGoodGuy
29-03-05, 12:25 PM
My friend Marty McFly had a similar problem with his Delorian. Whenever he hit 85 Mph his car would lose traction leaving flames on the road and then he would end up in a different year.
The solution was to leave his car on a railway line and wait for a train to smash it. Have you tried this yet?
:rotflol: :rotflol:
There is no car. You are a knob. Seeya.
use nawz, then you have no traction in all gears and hopefully no motor soon too
willsy01
29-03-05, 12:56 PM
I love it when these threads pop up.....
I think I know what the problem is your power > traction > intelligence. Reverse the order and it will solve all your problems.
Phew, just made it onto page one...
Dansedgli
29-03-05, 01:33 PM
Ive never conversed with a real live statistic before. I hope you short life is lived well.
My friend Marty McFly had a similar problem with his Delorian. Whenever he hit 85 Mph his car would lose traction leaving flames on the road and then he would end up in a different year.
The solution was to leave his car on a railway line and wait for a train to smash it. Have you tried this yet?
Wasn't it 88MPH?
This is a fault with nissans. You need to change gear at 2000rpm.
Sturmovik
29-03-05, 03:41 PM
Sounds like your not double clutching.
Checkerplate. End of story
maybe your spinners hub caps need re-SIIKening? they are spinning so much so are da weehlsz
is it because the Altezza lights dont weigh as much as the standard tail light?
Aloysious
29-03-05, 04:55 PM
tub it
itsnotagsr
29-03-05, 05:02 PM
Add a GTR badge to the boot. Then you will neva loze.
THE ASH
29-03-05, 05:04 PM
Buy an S13 with a GT wing, I've heard they don't have traction problems.
failing that, whilst at nissan for the GTR Long Weight, get them to replace the oil in your tyres as it's viscosity must have increased, a good quality synthetic will solve this. If this fails, ask if they can fit a Can of Compression (aka CoC) to your engine bay, they help at high revs so it might make the difference. Your head light fluid is completely unrelated to this so don't let them screw you for it.
Good luck
hth
Your weight distribution and downforce is out.
Add a huge wing for more weight in the rear and to give you heaps of downforce at speeds over 10km. You must make sure it is huge enough to block rearward view to work though. Must also be carbon fibre of stainless steel. Find the heaviest possible.
Add many subwoofers in the boot, this will get more weight over the rear end. You must have them turned as loud as possible when racing as the magnets in them will cause an attraction to the earth.
Large chrome wheels will give you more weight, therefore reducing wheelspin. Spinners are an added bonus. Remember more weight means more traction.
Get some large friends to sit in the rear, visit McDonalds or any other fatty food outlet reguarly.
Recline your seat as far as possible, this will get your body weight futher back in the car giving more traction.
Dont worry about stickers, they are for ricers and will do nothing for your performance unlike the afore mentioned items.
from 5,500RPM to the 7000RPM redline, my wheels keep spining and i cant get any TRACTION... WHY??!!!!.
Thats the problem! You are only going to 7000rpm. Keep pushing it further into the rev range (9000rpm +) and the problem should correct its self.
Let us know how you go :)
See? You never should've sold your TME, which did 0-100m in 5.25seconds. No traction issues there. Learn from your mistakes... sell your 34, and buy an evo 8.
CussCuss
29-03-05, 06:38 PM
bob jane all rounders, problem solved
tripper
29-03-05, 07:11 PM
your tyres are dirty clean the tread with armour-all
A guy asks a sensible question and all the bandwagon jumpers come on board and give the poor bloke a hard time... It's wearing thin guys... :rolleyes:
Mate all you need to do is ease the power on from 5,500rpm onwards - wheelspin might look cool but it don't win races. Perhaps you could try getting a mate in the passenger seat to smash you in the face with a brick everytime you street race. Hopefully this will help teach you self control before you kill yourself (desirable but unlikely) or someone elses family (sad, but more realistic).
Cheers.
P.S - If all else fails, try the Hot 4's forum. Plenty of good advice there.
Crash Dummy
29-03-05, 07:56 PM
Mate buy a WRX. Then you only have to change gearboxes instead of rear tyres. Also WRX sounds the sickest.
Werd
Sik
Remember bro.. it transfers the power from the wheels that slip to the wheels that grip. Smelletrical AWD 4eva.
Fill the boot up with bricks
THE ASH
29-03-05, 08:07 PM
Fill the boot up with bricks
it's not a charger!
you could also try putting a Honda sticker on it to slow it down a little.
Cookiemonster
29-03-05, 09:15 PM
Mate all you need to do is ease the power on from 5,500rpm onwards - wheelspin might look cool but it don't win races. Perhaps you could try getting a mate in the passenger seat to smash you in the face with a brick everytime you street race. Hopefully this will help teach you self control before you kill yourself (desirable but unlikely) or someone elses family (sad, but more realistic).
What would you know Fatboy.. you can't even get out of the pits in a straight line. ;)
There was an oil down you blue bastard... :)
Cookiemonster
29-03-05, 09:53 PM
There was an oil down you blue bastard... :)
I like it. Can I use that excuse next time? :)
There was an oil down you blue bastard... :)
Dont worry paul driftings cool now.
I like it. Can I use that excuse next time? :) It think it kind of worked for me so go for it... :)
Dont worry paul driftings cool now.
Thanks Justin. I often worry about the social stigma of such things... ;)
kill yourself.... its the only answer...
killer yourself then ask your mate to put your body in the boot of the car, this creates weight over the rear wheels thus reducing wheelspin next time you race that taxi
please send photos
Cheers
P.S - If all else fails, try the Hot 4's forum. Plenty of good advice there.
:rotflol:
Ahh, that must be similar to intelligent self learning organic stability control which doesn't work on silvias while they are simply cruising. This is meant to be a particular problem in the rain.
Yes apparently stock SR20DET silvias are "a deathtrap in the rain" and just wheelspin for no reason, even in 4th at legal speeds....
I assume its a Nissan problem.
Brenton_s15
30-03-05, 12:15 AM
Yes apparently stock SR20DET silvias are "a deathtrap in the rain" and just wheelspin for no reason, even in 4th at legal speeds....
I assume its a Nissan problem.
This phenomenon has been identified in the Silvia family and is now well know.
The problem is that they Boost Spike, although only when the road is wet and you are turning a corner.
The chances of this occurring are greatly increased if you are taking off from traffic lights to turn the corner or driving through a round-a-bout. When the phenomenon does strike, the car immediately jumps the gutter and aims for the nearest telegraph pole or tree so as to bring the Boost Spike back under control. This defensive manoeuvre is pre-programmed into the ECU and can not be over-ridden by the operator.
Mild Boost Spikes will cause the back to step out, although these are quite rare.
E-ville
30-03-05, 10:06 AM
Can you post lots of photos of your Skyline wrapped around a tree at some point in the future.
RX7HEVEN
30-03-05, 02:25 PM
Press pause, go into options, car options, and turn traction control ON, you fukin idiot.
I remember having a simular conversation with a guy who was telling me his silvia needed bigger tires because of the stupid amount of power he has.. he wants 17x10's on the front, and 17x 12's on the back... he was telling me how they would fit if he rolled the guards...
postman
30-03-05, 03:55 PM
clean out the carby you goose!
phatdex1
30-03-05, 04:16 PM
To start off, u guys are the biggest bunch of know it all tools on this earth. U all must be race car drivers and all own ferraris and be mobbed by chicks wherever u go.
I think he asked a fair question.
He asked a question of both driving technique and car set up which alot of ppl with high performance cars would have a problem with.
Firstly check to see if ur tyres are OK. Def buy a new set of semi slick, soft compound tyres if u can afford it. Yokohama AO48's would be my choice.
Have u put coil overs in or something? If so, soften up the rear end a bit more. Even if ur tyres still have tread left they may be past their highest level of grip life.
In RWD cars u should def have the front suspension a fair bit harder than the rear.
I cant see why they would start spinning at 5500rpm every time, by then u should be moving and u would think they wouldnt spin.
Maybe give it more off the line in the first place and it should catch itself by 3 or 4000rpm and it wont start spinning again at 5500rpm.
This forum really is beginning to be too full of itself.
U all must be race car drivers and all own ferraris and be mobbed by chicks wherever u go
I'm still working on the Ferrari part...
phatdex,
Whilst your heart is in the right place with your comment about our behaviour, your response to the problem is damn near daft.
1. Do not recommend tyres as a solution to a problem that is entirely limited to his ability to modulate the throttle.
2. Do not recommend that people have hard front suspension and soft rear suspension, unless you wish to also advise him on what this may do to the lateral grip balance of the car. If you do not know what I mean by this, then you need to be very careful about what you post as advice to people. I would rather see this tool spin his wheels up whilst he is trying to drag off some guy in an XR6 than watch him understeer off a roundabout and kill some schoolkids.
3. You should be able to see why a Skyline will start spinning it's wheels up at about 5500 rpm from a 10km/h rolling start. It is called POWER. At around about that point in 1st gear the old RB is churning out more power than the tyres can cope with and they slip. It is that simple. And contrary to popular belief, wider tyres do not guarantee more grip, ESPECIALLY in longitudinal grip. He could possibly get more traction from a narrower tyre with a higher sidewall and lower pressure....or not...depending on compounding. But that is fighting the problem by going to tyres, when it is really a driver problem.
I simply cannot see why people expect to be able to just put their foot down to 100% throttle opening and expect the car to do everything for them. Do you really think that Formula 1 drivers slam open the throttle to 100% as they exit every 2nd gear corner? No? So why do you think that just because you can get away with it in a 3.2L single point injected EA Falcon that you can get away with it in a turbocharged coupe?
/rant off
Maybe he needs a V-Tec controller as the cams are too agressive at 5500 rpm?
phatdex1
30-03-05, 04:50 PM
Obviously there is a limit, but a RWD car should have stiffer front suspension than rear. How much is another issue that needs trial and error testing of the handling characteristics once the changes are made.
If u r understeering then obviously ur front is too stiff. U need to set it up, try it out and then fiddle with it some more.
My rx3 with 230RWKW didnt even spin its wheels like that at 5-6000RPM with my foot flat to the floor due to suspension and diff mods that I fooled around with for a while plus NEW tyres.
Who knows what condition his tyres are in.
But none the less, who cares if my advice is the best. The main pont is GTSBoy (u seem to know alot) so impart some wisdom on this guy. Dont just say the standard, "It must be school holidays already", that everyone on here seems to spurt out each time someone with not as much knowledge as them posts.
It may be some driver ineptitude but u can always help urself by changing settings in the car.
RX7HEVEN
30-03-05, 04:53 PM
haha phatdex you cocksmoker, to much gran turismo for you!
phatdex1
30-03-05, 04:57 PM
Mate, I have played GT3 once and none of the others. I know from setting up my cars. And books on the subject of suspension. I am simply trying to help the guy out. This thread should have about 4 posts in it from the intelligence u guys have shown.
phatdex relax. This is what happens here. Chances of the original post being
a: genuine
b: true
are 0.000001 at best.
So relax and enjoy the fun. And don't lecture us either bud. That just makes enemies.
Muz
Jaythefordman
30-03-05, 05:05 PM
Phatdex, fair enough, but as has been I would be very careful with setting up hard front and soft rear suspension setups with anything but a straightlining car (read Drag car). This is fine if your car use is limited to drags, but it will turn the car into a understeering pig. This is the old school "shove in some 90/10's" to improve weight transfer to gain traction. from my impression our boy asking the question does seem to have limited understanding of traction issues, so therefore it would not be wise to suggest suspension setups that are really not that street worthy IMO.
Chances of the original post being
a: genuine
b: true
are 0.000001 at best.
Optimist!
DaGoodGuy
30-03-05, 05:07 PM
Look I understand trying to help the guy, but maybe if he replaced the sentence of trying to run an xr6 turbo, with being somewhere on a race track, then we would offer the person some proper tips to his driving, but being an idiot on the road is not something that most of us condone, and therefore people who put up threads like this will feel the wrath of those more educated and have more experience driving. Apart from that driving a high performance vehicle to its redline on a street and wondering why you are getting wheelspin at 5500rpm is not only considered very stupid, but also very dangerous, different situation if he were to be alone out in the middle of nowhere, but on a main road/street where he could possible injure others or even himself will always get the same response from me to a bs question like that.
You are right in telling him to change suspension, and do some R & D, but keep it on the track and off the street. I'm sorry if this doesn't make sense but I had about 5 phone calls in between typing it up. I'm sure you get the idea though.
Hmm.. maybe we should post a poll over who thinks this guy is a troll, and who thinks his question is real...
I can't see why it would start spinning so high.. its way off peak torque i'd recon..
incidentally, im hoping to get my next car to smoke the tires like that.. albeit from 80km/h :)
phatdex1
30-03-05, 05:13 PM
phatdex relax. This is what happens here. Chances of the original post being
a: genuine
b: true
are 0.000001 at best.
So relax and enjoy the fun. And don't lecture us either bud. That just makes enemies.
Muz
I will lecture u if I see u r being wankers. And enemies, who cares, its the internet, 99% of u guys wouldnt be saying what u r if it wasnt the internet.
If this guy was at a cruise and said, "on that last leg I kept losing traction at 5500rpm". What would u guys say. I bet u would give him logical suggestions to try when he next drove the car. So why be any different on the net.
And Bigmuz, u were the guy who was bagging the guy asking about wheel flares saying he was a ricer. Maybe give it a rest.
If u think the post is untrue and the person is a schoolkid or whatever, just dont post in the thread at all and it will go away.
And my track cars would still be set up with stiffer front than rear suspension. Setup for a hint of understeer. If it gets too much, add more throttle and it straightens up nicely.
phatdex1
30-03-05, 05:15 PM
I can't see why it would start spinning so high.. its way off peak torque i'd recon..
Exactly what I was thinking, and thus why I asked that question.
And the on road\track thing is a completely different topic altogether.
Point 1. My R32 will start to spin up at about that sort of rpm (5500) in first from a rolling start. Not too much before that.
Point 2. If it can happen in my car when driven without some thought, then why can't it happen in an R34?
Point 3. I reckon that the post is 100% genuine, and that the current Pope is going to be here this time next year.
Point 4. It doesn't matter whether the post is genuine or not, either way it deserved shit taken out of it as muzzy et al said.
cheers
phatdix: if he came up to me at a cruise and said 'man on dat last leg my sik R34 was arkin up bigtime sik, too much power cuntz what can i do to make it hook up and holeshot?' i'd tell him to get fucked then too.. :) or at least take the piss out of him bigtime.. :)
phatdex1
30-03-05, 05:24 PM
I would too if he said it like that.
GTSboy: interesting, my lancer would start to light up in the wet around then, but thats usually because of it coming on to cam and only starting to boost around then in first.. surprises me that a stock R34 will light the tires in any gear in the try without dumping the cluch, seems like its something that manufacturers try specifically not to happen...
and BTW, the pope WILL still be here as he's been for the last few years... 'weekend at bernies' style :)
where's the fun gone. C'mon kids - lets go and settle this outside of school grounds.
1st gear in any boosted car at 5500 is gonna be lineball with traction. even a cordia
don't expect realistic answers when bragging about street racing. we all know how stupid it is.
ahhh it amazes me how 'anti streetracing' PF has become... sne..
*NO* stock car, on a good dry surface, is going to break into uncontrollable wheelspin.
Tripharn
30-03-05, 06:29 PM
I don't think he is going to reply to this thread again... or at least read it all.
Cookiemonster
30-03-05, 06:40 PM
I don't think he is going to reply to this thread again... or at least read it all.
Well that's just rude.
tripper
30-03-05, 07:16 PM
I'm still working on the Ferrari part...
Fatboy same here lets go roll Q
Well, mine isn't stock.......but it doesn't make any more power than an R34.
FFS, R34 GTT come with traction control from factory. Switch it on LOL
Yes.
It's a secret.
shhhh... shutup!!!!
1st gear in any boosted car at 5500 is gonna be lineball with traction. even a cordia
Are you serious? I shat under the front wheels on the cordia, spun it up and it didn't get the polished look I was looking for on the turd :confused:
Four pages already, glad I got in on the first page :D
I use 100 posts per page so all yall are on page 1
E-ville
31-03-05, 10:55 AM
If this guy was at a cruise and said, "on that last leg I kept losing traction at 5500rpm". What would u guys say. I bet u would give him logical suggestions to try when he next drove the car. So why be any different on the net.
Because the internet is different.
TurboN13
31-03-05, 12:28 PM
subscribing to thread.
:)
Shaun.
intehnet
31-03-05, 01:27 PM
Because the internet is different.
i'm just unique, no need to tease :sad:
tripper
01-04-05, 01:45 AM
closed and put were it wasnt asked for
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