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Anyone know much about these generic 8 piston brake kits going about with ultra funky 330mm slotted rotors, braided lines and pads for under $2,500??
They seem to be exactly the same thing sold under a few difference brand names with difference coloured paint and labels...all for a similar price but the cheapest Ive found so far is through JustJap for $2,299 complete.
http://www.justjap.com/parts_nbraking.htm
Anyone actually picked one up and had a look over it, or better yet anyone got them???
Seems a little too good to be true but so did those uber cheap FMICs when they were released. :)
No experience but would not touch them myself. Rice accessory alert :yup:
COS61AE86RACER
10-08-06, 02:31 PM
Haven’t had anything to do with them. But I would not put my life in a set to gimmick 8 spots.
Venture off and get some brembos from an EVO or STI at least you know they will be up to the task
Chris O
Ok thats all well and good but do we have anyone with feedback that isnt a personal opinion based on nothing but generalisations? :rolleyes:
dattoman1000
10-08-06, 05:11 PM
Ask them for some piston sizes and better larger pics please
The pistons do look absolutely tiny.
Ask them for some piston sizes and better larger pics please
Will do. ;)
Anyone know much about how important the casing is? Ive heard people talking about calipers bending but never spoken to anyone that its actually happened to.
oldcorollas
10-08-06, 10:04 PM
Anyone know much about how important the casing is? .
umm... most important?
the casing is what pushes the pistons, which push the pads, etc etc ;)
casing fails.... oops.... better send it back for warranty :D
dattoman1000
11-08-06, 12:12 AM
Outlaw calipers have bent like a banana
120 thou deflection per caliper
I have seen and measured this
Body strength is very important
SO is piston size , bridge bolt diameter etc etc
Thought so...oh well if the casing cant be tested without buying one I dont think the piston size will really matter.
Ill keep doing some searching around to see if anyone has actually used these or tested them. Ill post up anything I can find. ;)
as it happens, i am in the process of doing just that. there are about 15 brake kit companies in asia,some very good(as good as brembo, ap etc) some not so good.keep in mind, a few years ago , datsuns were consided as "jap junk"!there are asian countries eager to be part of the world economy to improve their way of life.they are learning that quality products must be supplied.i know as i have just returned from asia.some of the parts and accesories even exceed the design and engineering of japan, america and europe. take a look around your house and just see what is made in asia,china.your sound system,microwave,car stereo,plasma tv,computer,printer etc.so its all cheap junk???
as it happens, i am in the process of doing just that. there are about 15 brake kit companies in asia,some very good(as good as brembo, ap etc) some not so good.keep in mind, a few years ago , datsuns were consided as "jap junk"!there are asian countries eager to be part of the world economy to improve their way of life.they are learning that quality products must be supplied.i know as i have just returned from asia.some of the parts and accesories even exceed the design and engineering of japan, america and europe. take a look around your house and just see what is made in asia,china.your sound system,microwave,car stereo,plasma tv,computer,printer etc.so its all cheap junk???
take a look around your house and just see what is made in asia,china.your sound system,microwave,car stereo,plasma tv,computer,printer etc.so its all cheap junk???
Actually, a lot of it is. Most of it is made to be disposable after only a few years. DVD players and set top boxes now last about 2 years. Microwave ovens used to last 20 years before the magnetron output fell below useful. Now 1200 Watt microwaves go off after just a few years. Just about every Chinese factory turning out electrolytic capacitors is turning out stuff that would not have passed quality control inspection in the 70s. These things are going into simply EVERY electronic device (that is big enough to need them).
It is just that people like buying cheap crap more often. That way, they don't have a top quality sound system in their lounge room that looks 10 years old. Instead, they have one that looks no more than a couple of years old so they can be "in style".
cheers
dattoman1000
12-08-06, 08:36 PM
Calipers are consumable
They do wear out
You don't just buy them and expect them to last the life of your car.... and the next car and the next that you put them on
Even quality ones suffer under normal use from all the heat cycles and need to be replaced after a period of time
Lets say for arguement 5 years
So don't expect brakes to be a buy it once for life
Its not a K+N filter after all ..........lmao
lets put it this way .i have some of this "junk" in my possesion and after many brake gurus have inspected (yes, there is more than one in the country!) them are very intrested in them.italy has had its share of Q.C. problems over the years. there are more asian countries than just china and many of them big in local motorsport.do you really believe that all the bling for ricers is made in japan?very high wages compared to taiwan.
mervex. I think you miss my point. I was responding to your rather specific allusion to the "quality" of the household goods that you point to. My point is that they are not in fact "good" quality. They are mass produced crap for the most part. Of course, so is a lot of the Euro equivalent, but that is not the point. I was just reminding you and everyone else that just because we all have houses filled with this stuff, does not mean that it is good stuff. Just that it is good enough.
Brakes, on the other hand, may be something that some people reserve the right to be snobbish about until the actual quality of these calipers is really known. I know for sure, that I would be more inclined to buy some more expensive calipers from a known good source, for which I can be reasonably sure I can get consumables like pins, anti-squeal shims, etc as well as pads in a range of good compounds, rather than buy some mystery branded caliper that is the current hot thing for 7 out of 8 factories in Asia to produce this year until they get bored with them and go onto making something else.
cheers
i think you miss the point.the guy asked if any one had any first hand experience with these products and a lot said NO but still felt qualified to comment ,negatively.i have gone to the time and effort to do the home work,not just sit there and bag everything.
What GTSBoy said.
With something as crucial as brakes some of us prefer a known and proven product. Anyone with a new product can sponser its use in competition and then tell us how good its performed.
I've got a Chinese set top box and when that locks up I get pissed off. I'd hate it more if it were my brakes :)
Anyone know much about these generic 8 piston brake kits going about with ultra funky 330mm slotted rotors, braided lines and pads for under $2,500??
They seem to be exactly the same thing sold under a few difference brand names with difference coloured paint and labels...all for a similar price but the cheapest Ive found so far is through JustJap for $2,299 complete.
http://www.justjap.com/parts_nbraking.htm
Anyone actually picked one up and had a look over it, or better yet anyone got them???
Seems a little too good to be true but so did those uber cheap FMICs when they were released. :)
The length of the caliper body is out of proportion to the pad cavity for starters. The bolts holding the two caliper bodies together are above the piston centre line which will result in spreading of the caliper body and wedging of the pads. The pistons look to be the same diameter across the body which may result in pad tapering from front to back.
They would probably stop a car on the street............... I would be very cautious of them being used on the track.
I'd be asking for a guarantee that they will pass an engineering inspection or some form of compliance with ISO, QS, TUV standards.
Looks like some loyal Aussie has shipped an AP kit over to China to be copied.
Just a humble opinion from an armchair expert. I'd love to meet one of those brake gurus one day.
I'm buying shares in the first law firm that sees the potential in this market.
Will do. ;)
Anyone know much about how important the casing is? Ive heard people talking about calipers bending but never spoken to anyone that its actually happened to.
Aluminium caliper bodies can be Gravity Cast, Pressure Cast, Squeeze forged, or machined billet straight from the mill. Each have different density, microstructure, and strength properties. Not to mention the quality of the raw materials used.
The actual body design is just as important as the materials used.
So looking at a picture aint gonna help.
Brightly coloured calipers are generally the lower end of the range.
Work it out????
as it happens, i am in the process of doing just that. there are about 15 brake kit companies in asia,some very good(as good as brembo, ap etc) some not so good.keep in mind, a few years ago , datsuns were consided as "jap junk"!there are asian countries eager to be part of the world economy to improve their way of life.they are learning that quality products must be supplied.i know as i have just returned from asia.some of the parts and accesories even exceed the design and engineering of japan, america and europe. take a look around your house and just see what is made in asia,china.your sound system,microwave,car stereo,plasma tv,computer,printer etc.so its all cheap junk???
Not a dig at you Mervex.
Is the quality getting better or are we lowering our standards for a cheaper deal?
Japan's over night success started in the late 1940's.
as i said, if you have not seen , let alone inspected something, how can you comment?i will email sir 2jza70 myself when i have given the brakes i have a good workout!they are a different brand to the ones mentioned.as i have not seen the G4 calipers in the flesh ,i cannot comment.i meant no disrespect to dattoman,but there equally quaulified and experienced brake people in australia.i think brembo parts come in bright colors,it's called marketing.
Mervex, actually you are wrong here. I know more than a few people who have experienced issues with more performance (or tech) related mechanical stuff coming out of China. It would appear, that either due to profitability or lack of standards, the quality control and possibly metallurgy on a lot of their stuff is inferior.
I know of people who have had engine cranes crack along welds, problems with jacks. Lathe's that weren't 'true' (ie straight/aligned, and capable of making 90 degree square cuts (etc)..
If you are reckless enough to think that with a track record like that it's _worth_ gambling on your life to find out if these calipers are up to scratch, please make sure you do so where nobody else is at risk.
that's not anecdote or culturally biased, it's not, it's simple common sense. I'd personally want to wait a good 5-10 years to find out if they are up to scratch (or worse to find out they werent) but also to guage what improvements in general they might have made with other products as well as calipers.
Look at the dirt cheap turbos that came out, look how long they last (for the most part). If they break, you are out a few bucks, if the brakes break you're fucked.
i have to come clean and point out the brakes i have are from taiwan,not china.as most of the roads there are littered with cars with failed after market brakes, you are right,a lawyers dream!most of the companies have been making and improving their products for 10 years or more.!!as they sell kits in america,don't you think we would have heard by now??i guess thats why the biggest O.E.M. supplier in Europe is looking at meeting their needs to supply most of the euro manufactures of cars from taiwan.that would be Continental.taiwan is miles ahead of china and soon to surpass japan!
Your right about Taiwan. They are light years ahead of China.
Wilwood Brakes were designed in the US and made in Taiwan.
What you need to be careful of is misrepresentation of products. I.E Products made in China and sold through Taiwan agents.
Same deal applies locally. Australian Companies selling inferior product imported from China and not openly disclosing country of origin.
Your right about Taiwan. They are light years ahead of China.
Wilwood Brakes were designed in the US and made in Taiwan.
What you need to be careful of is misrepresentation of products. I.E Products made in China and sold through Taiwan agents.
Same deal applies locally. Australian Companies selling inferior product imported from China and not openly disclosing country of origin.
Hell, you even have to be careful of stuff made IN Taiwan that may not be as good as the stuff that may have contributed to Taiwan's good reputation.
Brembo may be Italian, but that does not imply that every Italian that wants to make brakes will do a good job.
In fact, classic example. Computer gear. Everyone knows that Taiwan is where it is at for the majority of companies making mobos and vid cards and RAM and so on. But some crap products still come from there, even if they are based on the reference design.
cheers
jasonwatkins
22-08-06, 09:23 PM
We have had a set of g4's for about 3 mths now. . We got the g4's for another project, they are a knockoff of the AP6, will mount up on AP brackets. Some of our work is with V8 race teams, mostly AP callipers. Quality looks good, pistons are of differing dia's.None of us has a negative about them YET. Pad is AP6 size. Street testing on our project car shows impressive results ( we ordered 4 more sets of them) how it will stand up on the track is a different matter. We did not have a chance to put them on one of the V8's before the Darwin meeting, but when that car is next in our hands for testing we will replace the AP's with the g4"s and use the same rotor/pad and track test for data.
If using for street GET IT ENGINEER APPROVED, things like brake balance, master cyl vol, line pressures etc etc change, we can adjust them, streetcars cannot.
I would put a pic of them in here but I dont know how?
Ps clearences are fantastic, muct better than the brembo's we use to use. you can fit these things in some tiny places!
Anyone know much about these generic 8 piston brake kits going about with ultra funky 330mm slotted rotors, braided lines and pads for under $2,500??
They seem to be exactly the same thing sold under a few difference brand names with difference coloured paint and labels...all for a similar price but the cheapest Ive found so far is through JustJap for $2,299 complete.
http://www.justjap.com/parts_nbraking.htm
Anyone actually picked one up and had a look over it, or better yet anyone got them???
Seems a little too good to be true but so did those uber cheap FMICs when they were released. :)
any comment now!260 det? gts BOY ? jmac? dexter,? jason has come up with the facts.maybe the open minded guy who was prepared to look around and ask questions has an answer.things move on and now there are new guys on the block!good luck Sir 2ja70 in finishing your project car.Mervex
It sounds like a reasonably good thing but you can't blame one for being slightly sceptical or cautious of a new company suddenly claiming to be able to be producing a world class quality brake caliper especially when this company is making them in a region of the world renowned for below average to average quality assurance and production standards.
Belly_up
24-08-06, 07:46 AM
any comment now!260 det? gts BOY ? jmac? dexter,? jason has come up with the facts.maybe the open minded guy who was prepared to look around and ask questions has an answer.things move on and now there are new guys on the block!good luck Sir 2ja70 in finishing your project car.Mervex
so one person using one set of calipers that haven't failed over 3 months counts as conclusive evidence that these calipers are the real deal? I'm not arguing either for or against, but you'd have to admit that a sample size of 1 is hardly enough to draw any reasonable conclusion.
on that note, it is worth pointing out that everyone has to start somewhere, willwood were considered a bit so-so by some people a few years back (and some still today) but by all accounts their product is improving all the time. If you read carrol smith's books, in the earlier books he warns people away from AP stuff due to questionable reliability, but by the later books he's happy to recommend them.
on that note, i think the other very important point, particularly with brake calipers, is the failure mode that they follow. Everything will fail sooner or later, or under the right circumstances, but how it fails is more important. If the caliper spreads under load, and thus reduces my braking efficiency, i can live with that. If however the caliper bridge bolts are located too far outboard, and the spreading then results in bolt fatigue, which then results in bolt failure, which then results in the 2 halves of the caliper falling apart (almost certainly while i'm under heavy braking) then i will be slightly less than happy. The big complaint about the willwoods stuff seemed to be that they flexed under load, but not to failure, and i'd much prefer that behaviour to a caliper that is dead rigid and works really well, right up until the point where something explodes and i die in a fireball.
When its all said and done, a 2 piece caliper is a lot simpler device than say, a turbo, in terms of engineering effort, and once designed, easier to produce cheaply as well. Theres no reason that once someone in taiwan/china/wherever gets their production process sorted out that they shouldn't be able to churn out cheap reliable calipers. It remains to be seen if the manufacturer in question are those people.
The jury is still out as far as I'm concerned, very much so. Forgive my caution but one post by someone unknown to me mentioning an un-named supercar team is just a bit hard for me to accept at face value.
So my previous comments still stand.
another constructive and positve comment .i'm over talking,too much of that from you guys.i'm off to fit my brakes.i will gladly keep all guys informed.Mervex.
This forum is all about the pitfalls mate; we thrive on picking the negative aspects to discuss because that is useful to someone looking at buying them. The positives are self explanatory, the ads do all that stuff for us. What we provide is a discussion of the potential problems so guys can check stuff out and make their own, well informed opinion.
Don't take it as a bashing session, take it as a test to see if there is any aspect you might not have considered.
And to be honest, the whole argument is really this; "Are these really cheap Chinese/ Taiwanese knockoffs good enough for me to use instead of shelling out the big bucks on the mainstream gear?" Which is fair enough, but let's notget carried away with asking if they are better than AP or brembo ro whatever.. Not gonna happen.
Muz
www.winnerpower.com.tw . one last word,this is one company thats been around for a while.just because you don't know of them.......
www.winnerpower.com.tw . one last word,this is one company thats been around for a while.just because you don't know of them.......
So are they the G4 brakes then? What is your point?
That winnerpower stuff does look like good quality, certainly.
Dutch racing connection and WP naming is interesting....
mervex, do you have any vested interest in this product?
As for the question about having 'facts' let me be more to the point than I was last time. COMMON SENSE dictates that you don't 'take a gamble' on something when the loss won't be purely monetary, but potentially loss of life. Any argument against that is particularly stupid. For all I know they might turn out to be fine (and btw being made in Taiwan doesn't guarantee shit, there's a huge variance in the quality of stuff coming out there) - but only a moron would volunteer to be a guinea pig.
So good luck to you young lab rat. I hope it turns out ok. but don't stamp your feet and have a tantrum because there are people here with enough sense to be cautious about something with insufficiently explored reliability. Take a good look at some of the posts I"ve made. I don't claim to be a genius, but I'm hardly chicken little with a doomsday fatalist outlook, I'm a realist, and brakes are no laughing matter.
Belly_up
27-08-06, 09:32 PM
www.winnerpower.com.tw . one last word,this is one company thats been around for a while.just because you don't know of them.......
a company thats been making brakes since 1996 ain't exactly veterans, and companies whos websites are plastered with pictures of racecars, but who's products are not designed for race use seems to be creating conflicting messages.
brembo - making brakes since 1961, owns AP racing, supplies porsche, mercedes, ferrari etc, 2005 turnover of 700million euros.
AP racing - since 1972, 220 formula 1 victories by cars using their brakes
wilwood - still probably considered one of the less mature manufacturers, making brakes since 1977.
PBR - manufacturing brakes since 1927, their products were fitted to over 4.1 million new vehicles in 2001.
incidently, the history of PBR isn't an uninteresting read, very impressive company, from very humble beginnings. http://www.pbr.com.au/downloads/history/Booklet_Singles_PRINT.pdf
Those winnerpower calipers look good.
They are NOT the same as the ebay ones though,a nd if you can get a set and rotors and hats for $2k you would be doing well :D
dear jmac,no i do not have a vested interest in these kits.been called worse names than a lab rat.but a moron!now u have really hurt my feelings.belly up, have u been to tarox.com ? bit of history there too.come on,do you really think these guys just wandered up from a rice paddy and started producing this stuff?do u really think they don't have A.D.R. type regulation?anyway,please refer to the first post on this thread.pay attention to the bit about actually seen one or used one.
Tarox is Italian, is it not?
the use of the term lab rat isn't name calling, it's a statement of fact, and you are the one who has nominated yourself as such.
did they just walk out of a rice paddock? Doubtful. I've actually lived in China for a short while, so I'm not exactly naive (and techincally taiwan is china, the republic of to be precise).. The _fact_ is that _you_ don't know what their full story is (*unless you have a vested interest_) and the _fact_ is the brakes aren't something to gamble on. The more you avoid those two things, and rave on about other shit, the more you prove my point.
Tell me something, let's say hypothetically they failed and you were killed, who would your family take to court? It's one thing to get an overseas company to sell you something, it's another to get them into court. And of course it'd be trumped most likely before it got started, since they were (by way of being used at all) a modification to the car, or put into performance use of some description... Good luck with that. It's hard enough to take a firm to court or mediation when they are local, let alone interstate, let alone international.
As for 'pay attention'. I'm terribly sorry if you are a 3 year old who sticks their head in the sand and only listens to what they want to hear. Imagine someone asked about using heroin, and people here told them some home truths. then the idiot responds by saying 'well unless you've tried heroin, you can't comment' . Bollocks. You don't dictate (esp since you didn't ask the question) what and how people respond . don't try and make up some 'rules' about only answering in teh way _you_ want, in order to sustain your delusional approach to safety. Good luck, and I hope you don't get hurt, but you are in effect putting a loaded gun (let's say a revolver with one bullet) to your head and pulling the trigger, and nothing happening, so you 'assume' it's safe and pull the trigger 5 more times (or less if that bullet rolls around).
Simlarly, I haven't ever taken (or had a circumstance where I'd even be near it) a possibly loaded machine gun, pointed it at a human being and pulled the trigger. So I guess I'd be insane if I had the opinion that this would be ridiculously dangerous. You'd either want to check that it's loaded, or point it in a safe direction and try the trigger.
I've never bypassed the fuses and circuit breakers in the house, filled a bathtub and plugged in a toaster and jumped in the bath with it. But I've got an opinion on it. In the same way, there's means to test whether your circuit breakers are working, and the process is 'safe'. You don't test it by the toaster in the bathtub method _ever_
If someone posted a query about how to crack open a safe after holding up a bank, and someone mentioned that robbing a bank is a fucking stupid idea, I suppose you'd jump in and say 'hey, that wasn't what the original poster asked about'
The more you argue against common sense, the more obvious it is you lack it. It's also kind of interesting that your posts (last I checked) were all in a thread, to bring up (after someone elses questions) a product, then defend it blindly.
I realise this post will likely merit the attention of the moderators, and I'll cop whatever they deem appropriate, but I won't for a moment apologise for putting safety first when it comes to brakes. It's a double edged sword - with 'better' brakes you would end up braking harder or later, which is about the _last_ time you'd want to experience a problem with the brakes.
mindboggling to say the least.
a little bit too emotional here ,i think. maybe i should point out that i have been in the automotive engineering industry for about 30 years now.that is a lot of testing,modifying,inspecting and abusing of parts.i think,no i know i can tell good or bad when i see it. as to mine or the public safety,i own my house and want to keep it that way.i am changing the brakes on my own car as the o.e.m.pbr crap on it pulls left or right,it varies,of their own free will!!!chill out a bit dude..!!!
trent from punchy
29-08-06, 09:38 PM
ive held the K-sport ones..
to the hand they looked ok, the hydraulic handbrake seems fine,
the calipers.. hmmm the pistons did look a little small for the size of the caliper.. but im no brake expert.. and the only way id fit something like that would be if a brake expert i trusted told me they were ok.
There are two things I would never skimp on in a car. Tyres and Brakes.
oldcorollas
30-08-06, 12:23 AM
live safety testing is often a short career :yup:
having done some QA in a certain aussie company who actually made brakes for certain popular aussie cars... i would be a little worried about even using them (because of the chance that something was "approved" due to lack of time or interest:eek: ie "this looks bad, we should pull that batch" "nah, she'll be right, we aren't pouring that again for a couple of weeks")
as for WinnahPowah brakes.. they look pretty. but forged aluminium alloys are NOT made equally, and small differences may not be so small... i'm not a fan of the sharp angular nature, and i would be vary of sharp radius machining marks...
but hey... don't we all want 12 piston calipers :rotflol:
The fact they are small pistons is how they have to be to keep the fluid volume sensible. Other than that I think there is enough info in this thread to enlighten anyone who wants to buy some cheap calipers.
Happy days.
The fact they are small pistons is how they have to be to keep the fluid volume sensible. Other than that I think there is enough info in this thread to enlighten anyone who wants to buy some cheap calipers.
Happy days.
jeeez jmac!you would think i was suggesting nuclear bomb testing in a day care centre!!!!take a few breaths before ya keel over!! (not a bad idea tho) don't worry the human race is safe.as for young,covered that one.taking herion,stupid idea,cocaine much better.Really, think about it.the people making these things understand they are not making plastic toys or whatever.with the advances in F.E.A. ,cad programs etc ,you do not have to be making stuff for 50 years to work it out.maybe the guys who paid premium euro dollars for parts are now embarrased!the asian parts are only cheaper due to our dollar to theis. i had to pay $7 AUD for a cheese sandwich in switz due to that!!
ps ithink the small pistons are to allow for a bigger diameter disc.see www.stoptech.com
It doesn't matter how well they machine into something (though that's very much still yet to be determined - whether they do the machining well) it can also be being machined into inferior and unsuitable spec alloy. like it or not.
the reason they are cheaper isn't the dollar, it's because they can employ uneducated masses for 2 beans a day. If you think someone on 2 beans a day gives a toss about the job they do, as long as it's getting products out the door at the required rate.....
When a couple of big race teams start endorsing the products I'll take a look. Not that that necessarily means they use the product (don't get me started on that tangent).
Look Mervex, I'll agree to disagree, we'll obviously never see eye to eye on what constitutes an unacceptable risk.
oldcorollas
30-08-06, 08:09 PM
ps ithink the small pistons are to allow for a bigger diameter disc.see www.stoptech.com
perhaps the small pistons are to reduce the force exerted on the pads, and make space for more pistons...
bigger diameter disc? maybe if you don't want to alter your brake bias.. ;)
ie.. don't want to actually increase braking force :lol:
alloys aint alloys... and even when they are, (and especially for these kinds of alloys), the heat/mechanical treatment they get determines the crystal structure at the end...
especially with ageable aluminium alloys, you can easily overage and make it a brittle unusable mess (especially for brake calipers, which get hot and "self-age" with time.. rendering them brittle and useless ;) )
jeeez jmac!you would think i was suggesting nuclear bomb testing in a day care centre!!!!take a few breaths before ya keel over!! (not a bad idea tho) don't worry the human race is safe.as for young,covered that one.taking herion,stupid idea,cocaine much better.Really, think about it.the people making these things understand they are not making plastic toys or whatever.with the advances in F.E.A. ,cad programs etc ,you do not have to be making stuff for 50 years to work it out.maybe the guys who paid premium euro dollars for parts are now embarrased!the asian parts are only cheaper due to our dollar to theis. i had to pay $7 AUD for a cheese sandwich in switz due to that!!
Your english is super fun terrific :rotflol:
Are your calipers made at gunpoint by 10yo children for a handful of rice?
13 posts and all of them are in a thread promoting brake calipers made from crushed up softdrink cans.
Smooth.
i think the last guy made the most sense out of everyone!!!i think i'll stick to my pushbike,happy now jmac?i hope ron harrop does not find out he got another 30 years to go till he knows what he's doing.
anybody thought to ask justjap about their brake kits?????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????
ppp.sss. anybody thought to contact www.ksport.com
Look at the range of 'off the shelf' parts that justjap sells and make a decision yourself. I know I have...
CHEAP CRAP!
Whoa! I thought this thread died ages ago.....looks like its been a good debate though.
I agree that brakes are not something worth gambling over, and hense I will not be buying these calipers. In saying that I havent seen anything bad about them in this thread or anywhere else, and I think generalising all cheap parts as just being crap is a bit ridiculous.
How many people on here run cheap intercoolers? I do and I wouldnt even choose a HKS/wateva one over it if they were the same price. Only thing bad about mine is the weight, I guess they made it heavy as they didnt have the capabilites to build a lightweight cooler and still maintain strength. Anyway, thats kind of irrelevant.....
Point being I still believe people are a little quite to discount cheap products and had this thread been about any product other than brakes I would be arguing with all of you until I went blue in the face....being brakes, there isnt really a point in arguing.
When we're talking about safety, it needs to be proven that a product is good before it is accepted. Not just accepted until someone proves it to be bad. The risk is just not worth it, regardless of the odds.
Sir 2jz,
Just one point. A heavy cooler is a good cooler. More mass = more thermal capacity to act as a heatsink, which is actually more how an intercooler on a road car acts than as a steady state heat exchanger. So don't complain about it being heavy too much.
I agree with GTSBoy for once :D Just kidding.
You know what's interesting? PWR quote lighter as better in regards to cooling, not just vehicle weight wise. That sounds bizarre to me.
Heavy means is draws the heat out quicker, but also gets rid of it slower. Heavy is fine for the street where heat is never too bad but in track conditions where the heat needs to be transfered out as quick as possible.
Heavy is also good for the street as it would resist a little rear ender more than a lightweight cooler.
Weight in my car is a bit of an issue in the front end, the rear is very easy to strip out but the front has very little that can be removed, and my car already has weight bias to the front. If I want to serious ly get into track racing Im going to looking into other options for cooling but its not a priority atm.
itsandyv
10-09-06, 07:05 PM
Am I the only one with a headache after reading mervexs' ramblings?
you are only a couple of weeks late itsandypandy and no, you are not alone.............
take a look around your house and just see what is made in asia,china.your sound system,microwave,car stereo,plasma tv,computer,printer etc.so its all cheap junk???
fuckin oath, is at my place! :rotflol:
We did not have a chance to put them on one of the V8's before the Darwin meeting, but when that car is next in our hands for testing we will replace the AP's with the g4"s and use the same rotor/pad and track test for data.
:rotflol: :rotflol: :rotflol: :rotflol:
I'm sure they will be fine for a street car mate but please keep these comments for the jokes section.
fuckin oath, is at my place! :rotflol:
Haha - reminds me of the Alexi Sayle bit - "I've always bought British - which is why my house is full of crap"
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