Twin Cam EA falcon

[Dansedgli]

Seems to be the new hotness around here next to the LS1, 2JZ and 1 JZ conversions. After asking a few people it seemed easy enough so I had a go this morning.


http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r3/dansedgli/mypic297.jpg

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r3/dansedgli/mypic230.jpg

[Com_VC]

sweet :) is the motor a bolt in job?

[Dansedgli]

Pretty much :D

I have it out again so I can fit the gearbox and remeasure clearance at the front crossmember. At the moment a section of the sump sits on the crossmember. I want to fit the gearbox and unbroken engine mounts to make sure before I cut anything.

[2JZR31]

Thats just cool :)

[Dansedgli]

Its no JZ but its got 2 cams and will get a turbo soon ;)

[2JZR31]

Its got an extra litre over a 2J. That counts for a lot.

[bigmuz]

Excellent. You're a doer mate.

You are a bit like ALLMTR except you get past the dummied up engine stage :D

[Kiahatsiu]

Very cool man. I do like the way you "had a go." As if it was a rainy morning and you had a BA and an EA sitting in the garage.

Good luck with it.

[Dansedgli]

This is heaps easier than an LS1 into hilux conversion. Stock engine mounts/bellhousing, tailshaft ftw.

Here is my clearance problem.

The engine is mounted, with no gearbox attached. would you guys move the crossmember forward a little or lower it? I plan to weld some box to the crossmember before I cut it then cut it out as necessary.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dansedgli/mypic258.jpg
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dansedgli/mypic257.jpg
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dansedgli/mypic256.jpg

[Grunt]

i would vote lower the cross member.

love the attitude "thought id have a go!"

top stuff!

[Dansedgli]

I got the grinder out and starting grinding those ribs on the sump.

The engine now sits in there and clears everything but when you push on the rocker cover the motor leans forward and the hump hits the crossmember. :(

I have to rip it out again and fit the gearbox to see whats going to happen I guess. I would like to avoid cutting that crossmember if possible.

/sigh

[bigmuz]

Easiest way mate;

Weld a length of RHS along the bottom. Cut the original bar away. Weld all the overlaps. Win.

MSPaint attached.

[Dansedgli]

Thanks for that Muz, thats likely what Ill do.

Dad "hurt" his wrist so he cant help me lift stuff. :gay:

Lifting the gearbox onto the bellhousing wasnt much fun on my own.

I cut off the old dump pipe to make some more room and Im going for the last test fit now.

[ALLMTR]

Whilst the procedure that Muz suggests is a good way of doing it, you better know what your doing if you go down that path

[bigmuz]

On the ford crossmember that rhs only holds it apart at the front, not really structural. The important part of the crossmember is behind the sump.

[Dansedgli]

Ill get a pick of the K frame now so you can see.

A few mates have moved the same section forward as well when fitting AU motors and noone seems to have any problems.

I would prefer not to weld it myself so I might position it up and get someone good to do it for me.

[Dansedgli]

Pic of K frame.

The section at the front is what I want to move.

[ALLMTR]

Yeah sorry guys jsut coming off night shift and brain was in neutral. I got your crossmember confused with an XF one. You'd think 20 years as a mechanic at Ford Dealerships would give me some idea....or not

Just get same spec box section to run under it. If you have no access to welder or want to take it to a pro to get done, just make some |_| brackets it tie it to the original til you get it somewhere that can weld it for you

[Bill Surewood]

Looking good mate, for an EA (1988?) it looks pretty neat, any more pics of the rest of the car?

[Dansedgli]

Yep its a 1988 model.

Its in shit condition actually. The rims, bodykit and tinted windows make it look okay but inside it had lots of rattles. Everyone on the ford forums are giving me shit for doing this to one of the few factory turbo EA falcons around but its only an EA. Its not worth keeping for collectors reasons IMO. I bought it to throw around a track cheaply due to the gearbox in it and that is what Ill do.

If the engine fits under bonnet Ill have no hesitation in giving it grey bumpers, side mouldings and 15 inch wheels and hubcaps. :D

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dansedgli/mypic230.jpg
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dansedgli/mypic229.jpg

[Dansedgli]

I ended up welding some box to the front of the crossmember rather than below it.

Clearance wouldn't have been as good if it was below.

The metal was nice and thick so it was easy to weld. Although it stood up to me jumping on it Ill get a pro to give it a going over when I get some time off.

[aaron_hogan]

Here is my clearance problem.
The engine is mounted, with no gearbox attached.


Ahhh be careful! the pivoted angle of the engine may change on the mounts when the box is bolted up. Should always do crossmember mods when the box is bolted up IMO.

This may be different in an EA, but there is quite an obvious rake to the motor when installed in an XD-E-F, exacerbated by the height of the rocker cover at the front. I'm just concerned this could be the same issue in E-series as JetXR (albeit an EF) has the obvious hole in the bonnet.

you're progressing quickly!

[Dansedgli]

Yep, with the new modded crossmember there is no chance of the engine hitting anything. There is stacks of room and I can tilt the engine forward and it doesnt touch anything. It will be okay with the box in.

I have to buy a spigot bearing today then the clutch, box and tailshaft can go back in tomorrow. I have to get some thermofans and take care of the heater pipes and oil cooler lines. Ill do the bonnet tomorrow as well if its needed.

Then fluids can all go in and Ill take it to be tuned when I get paid.

Im trying to sell my GT3540 for $1800 if your interested :P

I need to sell it to get this up and running ASAP.

I want to have it done before December rolls around. Fastest engine conversion eva.

[Dansedgli]

Latest update.

I sold my SOHC 6BOOST manifold but Mum decided to drop it damaging the flange. I have sent the buyer his money back and 6BOOST has genorously offered to change the damaged head flange to suit the BA for cheap.

This means the car will be turbo straight up but it might take a little bit longer. The sump will come off this weekend and Ill take it to get a drain back flange welded in for the turbo.

Once that is done Ill be able to fit the gearbox and properly mount the engine. The engine isnt going to clear the bonnet so Ill need to do something there as well.

Its going to stick out half a centimetre at the front :(

Does anyone have any suggestions for what I can cover it with? Im not sure I want a BA bulge. Something more subtle would be nice.

[QABB]

Half a centimeter!? Ouch. There is nothing you cna do with the mounts to lower the front by 5mm?

[Dansedgli]

Nah I dont want to mess around with the mounts are they are just standard EA ones at the moment. I dont have the level of talent required to modify them to a safe level either :(

I can get a fibreglass BA XR8 bulge for $150 but I might try and make something more subtle. A small lump where the front of the rocker cover sticks out might look fairly inconspicuous.

[aaron_hogan]

If i were you Dan i would try to get onto a person skilled in the arts of teh English Wheel. Go speak to Keith West, he's in Concorde Ave Werribee. His ad appears in the Trading Post occasionally. I will have a number for him somewhere. Seen his tin work, FIRST RATE! He is an old Pommy bloke that has been building cars from sheetmetal the old fashioned way all his life. Does alot of hot rod work. He could roll a new bump into your existing bonnet in his sleep.

Also maybe you want to think about a TC cortina bonnet hump...subtle

[Dansedgli]

The TC bonnet might be an alright idea.

For now Ill just cut a hole and think of something later, its still a while off running. I need to save some cash before it gets sent away for the ECU to be put in.

I should be able to get all the small stuff done, including fitting the engine, box, tailshaft, wiring, radiator, thermo install, cooler piping etc in the next few weeks while I have holidays. Then its just a matter of saving some cash to get the ECU put in to get it running.

[ALLMTR]

All I hear is blah, blah, blah. Me seeing no pics...

How much did you pay for the motor (if you dont mind telling) or PMing

[Dansedgli]

Nothing new to see. :huh:

Engine is out again while I take the sump somewhere next week to get a fitting welded onto it for the drain back.

[Rhys]

If you slam the bonnet closed hard enough it should make it's own bulge. Problem solved.

[Dansedgli]

How much did you pay for the motor (if you dont mind telling) or PMing

It was $1510 with all of the accessories and a new belt.

That was with the loom but less the ECU.

I have thought about slamming the bonnet but I dont want to wreck the rocker cover. :(

[ALLMTR]

Heat bonnet to cherry red and slam bonnet*




*All information contained within this post should not be taken as advice

[Dansedgli]

I got busy with the grinder today.

This is what I came up with.

This isnt the finished product and the car will get a bulge of some sort or Ill get another bonnet and make a neat and measured cut.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dansedgli/mypic260.jpg
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dansedgli/mypic259.jpg

[ALLMTR]

What about bolting the sump off a BW35 on top???

[Dansedgli]

Nah, Ill put a XR8 bulge on, they are only $100.

That will look alright.

[Rhys]

Nah, Ill put a XR8 bulge on, they are only $100.

That will look alright.

If you need advice on this PM Fatgts, he did a smick job on his.

[aaron_hogan]

Why i didn't think of this earlier i will never know but seeing as i just bought my first EA (omg i feel so dirty....urrrrgggghhh the dirts not coming off!) i guess it all just came together when i climbed under.

Unbolt K-frame. Space K-frame down 20mm. Space gearbox up 20mm. Levels out the engine. Close bonnet, "Look mum no holes". :w:

Provided your car is not excessively lowered i don't see a problem with this.

Aaron

[out_in_front]

Get a shaker cover - imagine how much the purist on FF will hate you...

[bigmuz]

Why i didn't think of this earlier i will never know but seeing as i just bought my first EA (omg i feel so dirty....urrrrgggghhh the dirts not coming off!) i guess it all just came together when i climbed under.

Unbolt K-frame. Space K-frame down 20mm. Space gearbox up 20mm. Levels out the engine. Close bonnet, "Look mum no holes". :w:

Provided your car is not excessively lowered i don't see a problem with this.

Aaron

Maybe Uni joint angle on tailshaft, and lower control arm angle (though if it is lowered that is the right direction to move it)

I don;t know whether there is an issue, just suggesting what to watch.

[2JZR31]

Uncancelled drive line angles FTL.

[Dansedgli]

Ive already hacked a hole in my bonnet so Im doing it that way.

The motor definately wont need 20 mm for clearance IMO. Even now that the box is bolted in as well, the rocker cover would clear but would definately hit when torqued up.

Car has come to a halt. Ive ordered a new intake plenum, exhaust manifold and smaller intercooler that will fit behind the standard bar so Im waiting on all that gear.

Ive also removed my bodykit and sold off the 17's I had on there and put 15 inch wheels on. Sleeper FTW.

[Dansedgli]

Shiny

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dansedgli/mypic268.jpg
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dansedgli/mypic269.jpg

[Dansedgli]

Shiny


.... doorstop.

Wastegate pipe doesnt fit, hits the K frame. Dammit! :knock:

[RSWEPN]

Looks very nice mate...is that the snort performance manifold??

[Dansedgli]

Yeah it is, it all looks really good, its just a shame it doesnt fit properly. Hopefully he fixes it without much hassle. I hear he is good with this stuff so it should be okay.

[Dansedgli]

Geoff from snort is express posting another wastegate adapter tomorrow :D.

He is pretty good with this after sales support, lots of people could learn a thing or 2 from him.

[ALLMTR]

What happened to the 6boost manifold?

[Dansedgli]

Kyle never got back to me after he PM'd offering to change the flange cheap.

I went to a local custom exhaust joint and they said it would likely bend if they tried to change flanges to suit the BA motor. The runners were also marginally smaller than the ports on the BA motor, they recommended getting a new one instead. The snort manifold has larger runners to accomodate the ports.

[ALLMTR]

So you rate the snort up with the 6boost?

[Dansedgli]

Hard to say.

I have only owned both, I havent used either :P

The main reason for going snort is the multifit flanges. It fits EA-BA and T3 - GT42's.

For me its 2 manifolds in 1 in case I get defected and need to return the car back to standard.

The welding and stuff looks like a similar quality in my eyes, but Im not a expert, this one is split pulse, Kyles wasnt. This one is stainless, Kyle's was steampipe.

[MR 1JZ]

dude this is a really awesome conversion, what computer you going for?

also is this car a factory turbo?

[Dansedgli]

Yep, the turbo kit was a dealer fitted option.

Im going to rebuild the stock engine with some headwork and stuff for when it needs to go back in. All the numbers match.

Im still not a 100% on which computer I want to run. It seems to run the dual VCT is gonna cost a fair bit more for the ECU then its even more cash to get the cams set up right on the dyno whereas Ive been quoted $1850 for a microtech fitted and tuned from Bresciani so the cheaper option quite appealing too.

In the end the car will only very rarely street driven, mostly drag raced and thrown on the dyno occasionally so a microtech or similar might do the job well enough. I dont need fancy options.

[MR 1JZ]

rare factory turbo and youre still chopping it up...max respect :D

[Dansedgli]

In the end its only an EA :sad:

It was in pretty poor condition to start with unfortunately so I dont feel so bad getting into it. If it was mint then I would have stopped at turbo and manifold upgrades.

Later on Im going to find a stock ED ghia or similar and transplant the entire interior/dash/heater controls and try to get rid of the hacked up feeling of the car.

Nearly every plastic panel has holes drilled into them, the roof lining is sagging, the centre console has checkerplate all over it, my bonnet release has broken from the dash and is hanging down, the lower dash isn't properly secured to the car, the sunroof rattles, the electric windows are all really slow, the electric mirrors are dodgy etc etc.

As you can see I am not overly impressed with the car. Twin cam turbo goodness will make it nicer though :D

[Dansedgli]

My plenum arrived today :D

Pics to come tomorrow when I get home.

[Dansedgli]

Geoff from Snort Performance sent me a new wastegate adapter, it all fits perfect now. It arrived at my house within 48 hours of calling him so he did a great job sorting it for me. Ive only rotated turbo housings in the last week or 2. My power steering pump went on the Maverick so Ive been fixing that and doing other non EA stuff lately.

Here is my new plenum.
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dansedgli/mypic270.jpg

Dummy fitted.
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dansedgli/mypic271.jpg

[ebmanul]

dan mate, grind the sump mine was exactly like that and now its got plenty of room!! and as for the oil drain drill a hole and then thread a brass barb in there. works a treat and the no more welding costs!

btw the plenium looks great!! and and well you know what i think of the manifolds cause ive got one!! can't wait to see it going, and if ya need a hand give us a yell.

[Dansedgli]

Nah the BA cant be grinded in the same way. Its grinded in the photos on the first page.

I have already moved the cross member forward and had a fitting tapped into the sump. The pictures are somewhere on the AFF thread but its too big now to scroll through.

All pics are here:

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r3/dansedgli/

[08ESE]

DOSE PIPE FTW!!!!!

i know its no vl though!

[bigmuz]

Nah the BA cant be grinded in the same way. Its grinded in the photos on the first page.

I have already moved the cross member forward and had a fitting tapped into the sump. The pictures are somewhere on the AFF thread but its too big now to scroll through.

All pics are here:

www.optusnet.com.au/~dansedgli/gallery
"Ground". Past tense of grind.

[bigmuz]

Oh yeah, change that fuckin tranny cooler man- those things suck balls.

[ebmanul]

Oh yeah, change that fuckin tranny cooler man- those things suck balls.

thats no tranny cooler, its manual. its to keep the engine oil temps down on a standard turbo headgasket blowing ea.

[|555|]

"Ground". Past tense of grind.

Grinded also applicable in this context.

[bigmuz]

Ahh. Didn't think people used manuals anymore. No worries :D

[bigmuz]

Grinded also applicable in this context.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/grind
Nup.

[|555|]

OH YUP - grinded is a recognised past tense of grind.

refer to your own linkage

[bigmuz]

I missed that. Still not the right word imho.

[|555|]

"He used the grinder and grinded the metal down to a smooth surface"
"She placed the ground paste onto the meat to marinate it"
"The nervous student grinded his teeth unknowingly"

[bigmuz]

Ground is the correct word in each of those sentences.

[bigmuz]

I'll allow that it seems to be permitted, but it is unco, so I would use the correct word, ground. HTH :D

[2JZR31]

Yes Mr muz sir. (puts hand up) Can I please go to the toilet?

[bigmuz]

SIT DOWN Dennis.

[bigmuz]

Actually, I just changed my mind.

This Forum will no longer tolerate use of the word Grinded. The correct term to be used on PF is now Ground.

Thanks for your attention.

Moderator team.



:D

[|555|]

Ground is ambiguous where as grinded offers no doubt to the (tense) and verb for which it belongs to. If it's in the dictionary, then I'll use it. You can take it much much further (tm) with Oxford.

[pisana]

this thread has grinded to a halt. :gay:

[Dansedgli]

Oh man, they take away my work internetz and look what happens :huh:

oh and Muz, that oil cooler was thrown in the bin a while ago on your advice from one of 2JZR31's threads.

[bigmuz]

Cool mate. I'm glad I made a difference. Thanks.

PS Pisana- Banned.


:D

[Lobster]

how much of a difference is the bonnet? Couldn't you just put spacers on the bonnet hinge like teh dorift0 cars?

[Dansedgli]

That is an option. Its pretty close though, depending on how much the engine rocks I imagine it would need to go up half a cm.

[F|sh]

why couldn't you ccut and shut the BA sump?

looking at it could you ave modified the BA rocker cover at the front to angle down with the bonnet? or would it of hit the timing sprockets?

Looking good though.

[Dansedgli]

The oil pump is right at the front of the sump so it cant be cut to fit.

I haven't had the rocker cover off to have a look. Ill check it out.

[Dansedgli]

I got all motivated and took some pics with a real camera.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dansedgli/mypic272.jpg

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dansedgli/mypic273.jpg

[QABB]

Looks great mate!

[bigmuz]

The best bit about this is watching all your sense and reason fly out the window of why you bought this old hump in the first place :D

Unreal. FINISH It!!1

[ALLMTR]

The best bit about this is watching all your sense and reason fly out the window of why you bought this old hump in the first place :D



I was just thinking the exact same thing hehehe

and the fact you drove to bumpoke, IDAHO to tow it home.

[ebmanul]

The best bit about this is watching all your sense and reason fly out the window of why you bought this old hump in the first place :D

Unreal. FINISH It!!1

there is method in his madness, it is a AIT turbo which was factory fitted and carries a very nice compliance plate. so me plod can stick the defect up his arse.

[bigmuz]

Yeah we know the story mate. It was a great idea because he could leave it alone and not get hassled.

Then registering it was harder than his old car.
Now it will have an engineers certifcate and have exactly the same problem as before, AIT or no AIT tag.

But I fully support it, don't get me wrong. EA plus Big Motor plus Big Turbo = Big Fun I reckon.

[Dansedgli]

Yeah the drive was a big pain in the arse. If I had of known it would be such a hassle to get it registered in a regular manner then I wouldnt have bothered.

On the plus side after selling the stock turbo gear I was left with a pretty strong gearbox, LSD diff and a decent shell of a car to play with for only $2k.

Im heading the car in the same direction as my old EB where it was stock on the outside, I really dont want to get pulled over and defected after all this effort.

I can always go back to semi legal AIT specs later on if I feel the need to get rid of the twin cam motor for some reason. Maybe when I upgrade to a BA I can transfer the good motor over it its built by then then sell the EA to some enthusiast with the stock motor.

[Dansedgli]

Went to pickapart today and found a car in the same colour which is a rarity.

I brought home a front and rear bumper, a bonnet and some nice grey side mouldings. Im going to fit the bonnet with no reinforcing and hope that the engine doesnt hit it when it torques up.

Should look nice and stock by tonight. :D

[Dansedgli]

Is this going to be too in your face??

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dansedgli/mypic274.jpg

Admire my garage space!!

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dansedgli/mypic275.jpg

Im going to do the bonnet after dinner and before i go out tonight, hopefully it all clears okay. The intercooler isnt mounted in that pic and its a little on the small side but Ill add some water injection if it isnt up to the job. The sleeper look > the extra few kw I'd get with the old cooler.

[bigmuz]

Perfect!

[ALLMTR]

Decided against using the real camera huh?

Looks great!!! How far off is it?

[Dansedgli]

Real camera wasnt handy so I went the nokia.

Ill pull it out into the sun and get real pics tomorrow.

Not much left to do, the main part is getting the cash for the ECU.

Im going to get my plenum powdercoated (polished alloy ftl) mount it, wire the starter and alternator, do my intercooler piping, oil and water lines, get the exhaust connected up then it just needs the ECU.

Due to me being broke all the time I predict Feb for the car to be running. 2 paychecks :P

[Dansedgli]

Found the good camera. :yup:

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dansedgli/mypic277.jpg

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dansedgli/mypic276.jpg

Ill mount the bar properly once the cooler piping is done. :knock:

[08ESE]

i saw an ed sedan in ok shape parked out the front of a scrap metal yard today, it even had good tyres and was complete....

if had of only had space!

[ALLMTR]

if had of only had space!

I know what your saying....

Anywho, glad you got some good pics. Can't wait to see this thing up and running. Should be a beast in the lighter chassis.

[Dansedgli]

I got the grinder out and modded the bumper supports to give enough room for 3 inch piping today. The cooler is mounted properly and it is well hidden. Sleeper FTMFW

Next week cooler piping will be done if I can find some bends and borrow my mates welder again.

Im also thinking about rewiring the engine bay again and putting all the wiring at the back of the motor up through the panel below the windscreen and moving the relays to under the guard to neaten the engine bay up.

[Dansedgli]

Hmm its been a month and bugger all has been done until today.

I had troubles with my CBR250 which I eventually decided did a head gasket. I sold it for $800 and bought a brand new SV650s. It's much better to ride and gets better fuel economy despite the extra 400cc's.

Enough about the bike, EA updates:

Today I:
-mounted the surge tank,
-took my tailshaft to get new uni's put in,
-straightened up the rear bar brackets to get rid of the EA falcon rear bumper sag,
-tore off the colour coded side moulds in preparation for standard grey mouldings,
-mounted the intercooler properly,
-removed the dodgy rubber main fuel line from the tank to fuel rail,
-completed the turbo side of the cooler piping,
-fitted an ED ghia half leather drivers seat (Ill do the passenger one when the car is off the stands.)

Tomorrow Im gonna fit the new side mouldings and have another crack at the wiring and try to neaten it up a bit more. Its going to be 38 degrees so I dont want to be in the garage all day.

After that I need to finish modding my intake manifold, fit it, get a fitting for the 044 pump and fit it, get a suitable throttle cable, do the intake side cooler piping, get the exhaust joined up and take it for the ECU install.

[Turbo4WD]

I was wondering when people would start twincaming earlier falcons, its a pitty its being done to a rare ea dealer option turbo. Sure its only an EA but thats what they said about a lot of older cars that are now going up in value.

Anyway I still think its going to be a lot of fun and it makes sense to start with a twincam donk than muck around too much on the old SOHC lump.

[aaron_hogan]

Mucking around with the SOCH lump as you put it is a much more practical idea for most people. The twin cammer represents a much bigger bill at the end, even when you are doing everything yourself. The parts list is extensive to say the least. Its just much smarter to go and buy yourself an XR6t and be done with it. I think Dan has already justified butchering the Brock monstrosity.

EA-D is probably the easiest model to retro fit the BA engines into. I started doing a BA-into-XF and have kinda pulled the pin on it as it was going to be a tight fit to get it under the bonnet without a scoop which kind of killed the sleeper concept for that car.

RSWEPN and his bro have come a long way with their BA-into-XF conversion. Just saw the latest pics of it on xfalcon.com

[Dansedgli]

Cutting up classics is fun!

Worst case scenario the car will need a new K frame and it will be back to normal but Im going to get the welding of the front crossmember done by a pro so it is neat and factory looking. Im not really destroying the car by fitting a new engine.

[Dansedgli]

Argo Goodness:
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dansedgli/mypic287.jpg


Ive decided to wait for the new version of the autronic which works with the stock cam sensors to be released in April so ive got some time to bum around and get the car done. Im working on engine bay wiring at the moment. Im going to hide it all. It is pretty messy in stock form.

[ALLMTR]

Wiring scares baby Jesus :(

BTW money in account, thanx again

[Dansedgli]

Yep, got it. I have to go buy bubble wrap. Ill get Mum to send it tomorrow.

The wiring isnt that bad, Im just chopping it, soldering a longer bit on, running it under the guards then matching the colours again.

[HoonBoy]

Wiring scares baby Jesus :(

I can't understand this, you have no problems cutting up and welding critical components, but are scared of wiring?

[ALLMTR]

No wiring scares baby Jesus but yes wiring can be frustrating...

[Sturmovik]

Nothing wrong with the old SOHC lump. Quite a few getting around with 400rwkw for not alot of cash. (compared to other engines anyway)

[Dansedgli]

I only know of 4 of them with over 400.

Adrian Vella's, TUFED6 from AFF, Brendan Mock and Pyroay with 450rwkw.


Oh and Jason Ghiller's XE if that counts with the AU motor.

There are shit loads of BA's with over 400rwkw, some with stock engines. Off the shelf pistons and rods FTW.

Ill be putting a SOHC motor in my Maverick for 4wd duties soon. Dellow make a conversion kit.

Im going to try and sell my GT3540 for a decent price (for me) and upgrade to something larger while waiting for this new autronic to come out.

[Dansedgli]

Pics of wiring changes so far.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dansedgli/mypic242.JPG

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dansedgli/mypic283.jpg

[Dansedgli]

More:

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dansedgli/mypic288.jpg

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dansedgli/mypic289.jpg

[bigmuz]

Cut and polish FTW.

PS shoulda painted it while the engine was out, thoguh I guess you thought you'd be driving it a week later..

[Dansedgli]

I was going to paint it while the engine was out but then couldn't be bothered.

Ill pull the motor and do it when I either do the clutch, fit some rods and pistons or convert to auto. Whatever comes first.

[Dansedgli]

Removing the dash today to fix the heater core and remove some standard ECU wiring and tidy the rest up so had to pull the car out of the garage.

Outside of car before and after.

BEFORE
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dansedgli/mypic230.jpg

AFTER
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dansedgli/mypic291.jpg

[Dansedgli]

The previous owners were obviously perfectionists with this kind of workmanship behind the instrument cluster.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dansedgli/mypic292.jpg

[bigmuz]

They beat me- they used tape!

[ALLMTR]

They beat me- they used tape!

What hurt more, the beating or when they removed the tape????


Anyhooo so you've ordered the 42r?

[muttaburra]

at least its electrical tape and not masking tape like i have seen.

conversion coming along well, should b a screamer when done.

there are a few stock sohc motors making over 300kws with stock internals, shows just how strong they are.

[ALLMTR]

So what turbo?

[Dansedgli]

Ive just been learning compressor maps for the last 2 hours.

Its doing my head in but I think I get it now.

The GT4204 seems to be the go. That will be efficient for 700hp up to 6500rpm using 25 psi. It should make 800hp at 30psi.

The 6500 rpm limit seems more reasonable than the 7000rpm that I anticipated. This will be safe from the surge line of the compressor map as long as I dont get full boost before 3500rpm, which is a pretty safe bet I think.

If I want to make any more than 900hp at the flywheel it seems Ill need a GT45R and over 35 psi of boost. Im not willing to run that much.

I hope Im reading these right. Does it sound like Im on the right track?

[ALLMTR]

Yeah Ive been trying to learn what I can :/

I'd stick with the 42 if I was you

[Dansedgli]

what do you reckon 700 and 800hp would equate to at the wheels?

[ALLMTR]

From Kyles ad in the for sale section

6boost "strip warrior" setup, Garrett GT42 800hp turbo, .91 TA45 rear, Tial 44mm wastegate, 36mm pipe diameter, 500-650rwhp, full boost at 4200-4500rpm, $3900

[Dansedgli]

What effect do the different turbine housings have on the compressor map? Which turbine is the one used on the compressor maps on the garrett site?

The GT4202 does seem to be the best fit and will be fine running lower boost as well as higher boost once my engine is built. If it makes close to 650rwhp I will be happy I think.

Ive emailed a few places asking for some prices.

[ALLMTR]

So how's it run?

[Dansedgli]

It runs good but didnt dose so I took the intake manifold off and am currently porting it to smooth out my hack job to remove the seperator in between the runners.

I did it for 2 hours last night and am only half done. And that is a half arsed job. It takes ages. For something that will make minimal difference I wish I didnt bother. :(

GT51R is ordered and should be here next week. :D

Gotta get a couple of uni assignments out of the way in the next few weeks so Im going to try and avoid the car in the meantime.

[Dansedgli]

This is the latest engine bay pic btw. All wiring on the right hand side gone.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dansedgli/mypic293.jpg

Ive cleaned it some more and used some autobarn pressure pack to clean up some of the mess as a temporary measure. It looks heaps better than it did but still needs to be done properly.

[Dansedgli]

Got some more boring work done today.

Im changing to an EB2 onwards interior with the lighter colour grey trim as all my plastics are farked. The dash looms are different so I had to swap em over. The new dash is in now.

I had to take off the exhaust manfold to fit a pipe for the water from the water pump to heater, I didnt do it before by accident.

I did some more porting, soldering, cleaning and avoiding my uni assignments.

I found another EA with the same turbo as I have ordered. Only a single cammer though. Hope it fits lol.

http://www.brescianiracing.com.au/news/0602/0602_01b.jpg

[2JZR31]

That's the shit Dan!!!! That is one enormous turbo. If it works OK on that single cammer it will be insane on your built twin cammer. :w:

[Dansedgli]

mine:

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r3/dansedgli/enginebay.jpg

[ALLMTR]

Pic of big FO turbo in engine bay FTW

[Beavis]

Pics of {$2 coin, mobile phone} required for sizing please.

[bigmuz]

Love ya work.

[MR 1JZ]

wtf is the turbo?

[Dansedgli]

GT51R.

Same wheels sizes at the HKS T51R SPL. Good for 1000hp.

I dont have any pics of it on the car yet. I havent got it yet. That photo is a pic sent from the guy who is sourcing it for me. He is modding the housing to fit my manifold before he sends it.

oh and I bought an innovate wideband.

[2JZR31]

Pics of {$2 coin, mobile phone} required for sizing please.

Approximation. :D

[Dansedgli]

haha looks about right :P

The outlet on the compressor is 3 inch if that is any indication.

Ill get some comparison photos up once it arrives.

[21OWA]

nice Dan
so it looks lik you sourced the turbo thru Leigh?
that will make Kyle even more happy lol

nice work tho mate
cheers
Troy

[Dansedgli]

Yep I got it through Leigh. I was going to buy it through GCG but Leigh got me a good price. Kyle never replied anyway so I think he knows I was gonna go elsewhere.

Ive had Leigh on MSN since before he started making manifolds from when I had my torana project. He was building one as well. He got me to measure my flange and he modded the turbo to suit and had it sent out in 2 working days after I said I wanted it. Gotta love good customer service.

The car is going to get a rest for a few weeks now. Ive got a few assignments due at uni that need to take priority for once. :(

[Dansedgli]

Fuck yeah!!!

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dansedgli/mypic296.JPG


http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dansedgli/mypic298.JPG

Comparison
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dansedgli/mypic297.jpg
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dansedgli/mypic272.jpg

[2JZR31]

Looks right at home in there mate :)

[Jim]

this is gonna be such a cool car

[21OWA]

nice work

yeah Leigh is pretty good!
ive got 1 of his collectors going on my manifold
pretty well made aswel!

him n kyle are always at each other lol

good luck with it mate
should be a weapon!

n good luck with the assignments lol

cheers
Troy

[DATZED]

this is gonna be such a cool car
x2!

More pics the better :yup:

[ALLMTR]

Mega cool! Hurry up with the uni stuff :)

[Dansedgli]

Thanks guys.

I ordered a megasquirt today. I don't know when the autronic is going to be released so I wanted something cheap I can use in the meantime. If it works out okay Ill fit a BA to the Maverick as well. If it doesnt work the megasquirt will happily run an AU motor so one of those will go in the Mav instead.

Im hoping to have the car running in one form or another by the end of the month.

Really Im just some porting, some hoses, and an ECU away from starting it up. In theory it should be a piece of cake.

[Bozz]

Dan, how much was that turbo exhaust manifold? The snort performance website doesn't list any prices :(

[Dansedgli]

$1100 I think. It was a while ago.

[2JZR31]

I am looking forward to seeing the results of the megasquirt. When is the ETA on skids?

[Dansedgli]

Hopefully by the end of the month the car will be running and there will be rubber layed down on my driveway.

Once today's stuff is done, the stock intake and exhaust manifolds will go back on to get it running, oil, water, thermofan switch, megasquirt and it should be running.

Ill get it running smoothly before I put the turbo back on. Im not sure me hacking my way through the tuning will be any good for the turbo.

I went into work yesterday to get started on my first assignment at uni and the fucken school website was down for yesterday and today so I cant do anything.

Now Im putting my dash back in and finishing off the wiring job instead. I still havent wrapped everything and mounted it neatly yet.

The megasquirt will be interesting, I dont expect autronic quality but for $400 Im not going to complain if it gets the car running.

[Dansedgli]

Can anyone see a problem with this bracket? Its an old engine lifting bracket that bolted to the intake manifold bolts. I cut it up and it seems to work alright. The throttle opens and closes all of the way. The bracket is only secured with 1 bolt that also holds that heater pipe in so if pushed the bracket rotates.

The ISC was an after thought and it looks like its not gonna fit there. If I change the T/B position to make it fit then Ill need a custom throttle cable and custom stuff is ghey.

I was thinking about putting a blanking plate over the holes and running an XF one from the other outlet on the T/B.
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r3/dansedgli/mypic300.jpg
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r3/dansedgli/mypic299.jpg

I got a fair bit done today. The dash is back in along with most of the interior. Its amazing how much more finished it feels with the dash and interior back in.

[ALLMTR]

Mate get that dodgy shit off your car :rolleye:
Take IM into an alloy welder and get him to weld a 50 x 50 x 12 plate onto the top of the manifold near the thermostat housing. Drill and tap plate and mount it there.
First thing anyone (incl cops) is gonna see is that dodgy ass setup. Have some pride about yourself will ya*

*I had to be harsh dude, for your own good :)

[Dansedgli]

:(

I didn't think it was that bad! :w:

Its going to be a pain in the arse getting a proper bracket welded on, there isnt a whole lot of room there.

Ive actually been contemplating fitting a nizpro plenum instead. I dont really like mine. The nizpro ones look as though they flow better, they are better designed and they aren't polished. High maintenance shininess FTL.

BTW the throttle bracket wont get noticed by cops, down here they will be too busy going :wtf: then writing out their EPA and defect notices. :owned:

$2500 victorian emission test FTL. :eek:

[bigmuz]

Yeah I agree. it is easy to get it right at this stage man. If you leave it bodgy it will shit you forever and then it will let you down at the worst possible moment.

[bigmuz]

Nizpro plenum- you're at uni right. WTF do you do for money?

[Dansedgli]

Sell coke :)












j/k Im only part time uni, full time accountant.

Ill get the bracket sorted properly soon, this will do for now though.

[bigmuz]

Send me an 8.






j/k fair enough bud. Just interested!

[Rhys]

What's does one of these twin cams rev to? Where's the factory limiter set?

[Dansedgli]

stock is at 5900.

Nizpro move the limiter on a stocker to 6500.

[Dansedgli]

Megasquirt arrived today. Lots and lots of little pieces for me to lose. Yay!

[ALLMTR]

this will do for now though.

No, no it will not....

[Dansedgli]

No, no it will not....


:( okay. Ive got to get the plenum modded a bit by a pro so Ill get a bracket welded on then.

I just have to figure out how to do it so I can take the plenum and have the guy put the bracket in the right place without it being in the car.

Unless I run a stock manifold and make the piping go around like the EF-BA's and get it running before i put the plenum on?

I need to buy another stock manifold anyway so this may be the go. Im not sure if I can fit a 3 inch pipe above the rocker cover though. :(

[bigmuz]

1: Give man plenum and tb and cable.
2: Pay man.
3: ???
4: Sell more gear to pay man :D

[ALLMTR]

Nah stuff that. Replace that secondary lever with some 3mm plate and work the geometry so that the cable can be mounted on the plenum. Get some scrap alloy and cut/bend/file/drill/tap to form mount. Take to pro to weld to plenum. Difference between 20 bucks to weld or 250 bucks to get the whole thing done by pro....
Who's building this car? you or a pro :)
You'll point to the way it is mounted with pride and say, "yeah I set all that up"
Trust me.....Built not bought

[Dansedgli]

DIY FTW. I am currently soldering together my ECU FFS!!

Doesnt get much more DIY than that :P

I wish I had a tig and could use it :(

[ALLMTR]

Never doubted you dude!! Just trying to discourage that Muz theory.

[Dansedgli]

Megasquirt going well so far. 25% finished and it has power like it should. Lots left to do once I get some cable that I need before I can go further.

[Dansedgli]

Megasquirt is made and it all checks out with the stimulator.

I can turn some knobs and on the screen guages move and the little LED's light up.

Im quite surprised it worked so easily.

The real test will be when it goes in the car though.

[KLR250]

awsome stuff, what version of megasquirt did you go for btw? what code will you be using?

[Dansedgli]

I went with the MS2 and just the 2.6 code. That was the latest on the megamanual site.

Ill be using an edis module once it arrives.

That and the loom are on their way from the states atm.

[KLR250]

ah okay, so coil packs then?
a final realease of MSIIextra will be just thing for the 6 coils

do you know if the standard BA coils have built in ignitors or are they just coils?

[Dansedgli]

Ill be using AU coil packs for now to keep it simple.

Im not sure about the BA coilpacks yet. I havent tested their resistance to check.

[Dansedgli]

Photos all moved to here:

http://s140.photobucket.com/albums/r3/dansedgli/

[Dansedgli]

The edis module arrived yesterday and my wiring loom and new sensors came today.

That is everything I need to put the megasquirt in now. Ive got another essay due on Monday then I can get started on trying to get this bitch to run.

Does anyone know if trying to hack my way through to a map that will run could possibly damage a turbo? Im not sure whether I should take it off before I start and refit it once it is running.

The plan is to get it so I can get it starting and able to drive up and down the driveway then tow it to an exhaust shop to have the exhaust done.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r3/dansedgli/megasquirt.jpg

[bigmuz]

Can you get a copy of someone elses map that works? All I would say is that backfiring is not great but not the end of the world either. If you have no choice then leave it- maybe just set teh idle up a bit and get it to run like that first- then build a map from there and then start tweaking it at various throttle openings?

[Dansedgli]

I cant think of anyone with something similar off the top of my head. The closest guy runs a dizzy and stock falcon injectors.

The megasquirt manual reckons that once you enter in the engines details that it will come up with a decent map to get it idling nearly straight away. If it doesnt then there is other issues.

None of the turbo install is permanent atm, I might just rip it off and get it going NA to begin with. That way I can be sure I dont stuff anything.

Once it drives up and down the driveway okay Ill put the turbo stuff back on and get the exhaust done.

Then find a nice quiet road for some tuning. :D

[TK]

Stupid question - WTF is a megasquirt, obviously an ecu of some description, but what is it?

[Dansedgli]

Its a DIY ECU.
http://www.megamanual.com/ms2/index.htm

You basically put it together yourself before using it on a car.

Its been used for years, everything is open source code so people can write their own code to do fancy stuff. Or you can be like me and just use what it says to download and leave it like that.

Its constantly evolving to do new things. Others could tell you more, Im not that into it just yet.

The best part is the price. The ECU itself was only $260 US.

[TK]

But if you're gonna tune it on a dyno & pay the man for tuning why not just use a $50 delco?
Or are you going to tune it yourself?

[Dansedgli]

Im gonna do it myself. Well try to. I mainly wanted to do it to see if it worked. The plan is to get an autronic in there eventually for the dual VCT control but Im waiting on a new version to be released that will work with the standard cam sensors (was supposed to be released in March). When that comes out Ill put the megasquirt in the Maverick for ignition control.

Tell me more about this delco. A mate tried to get it working on his clevo with aftermarket injection and gave up as he couldnt make it happen. I havent really explored that avenue.

How does using a delco work and how is it $50? Would it be able to control my cams?

[HoonBoy]

To tune a Delco you need expensive software, so people charge a fortune to tune it. With a megasquirt you can do everything yourself as there is no fee for the software. The downside of that is I haven't seen any tuners advertise that they work with a megasquirt. I'm not really suprised as you could end up having to sort out issues from the install and construction of the ECU itself whilst the customer is trying to save money.

[TK]

Honestly I not sure, but I'm always chatting with Leon ot Awesome auto who is a guru with them - he seems to think you can run just about anything with them & they have a lot of stuff that aftermarket ecu's don't.
They're just a stock holden/gm ecu, found in everything from camiras to dunnydores, prolly not even $50 at u-pull-it - but the kalmaker software that he has makes them completely programable.
Not sure about cam timing control, but probably not.

Not much help am I?, put a holley on it, then I can help.

Edit - Hoonboy - Leon charges the same for a delco remap as he does for any other ecu, but I can't speak for other tuners.

TK

[bigmuz]

$50 is fantasy TK. The megasquirt is an order of magnitude cheaper than anything else. (unless you are talking about a remap of your factory delco...)

[TK]

Yeah, factory delco, found in wreakers everywhere, can be had for next to nothing - still all the hassle of wiring it up tho, and not everyone can map them - sure as hell can't do it yourself.
Plenty of guys down here use them, but thinking about it I personally would prefer something thats a bit easier to program/organise programming for.

[Dansedgli]

Sounds alright if you had a commo. I imagine I would need to run custom crank wheel and stuff with that one.

The megasquirt uses factory gear if you use an EDIS module from the states. Ford 6's there are setup exactly the same way as Australian falcons except EDIS modules in oz are imbedded in the ECU.

Plug in edis module to the crank sensor and coils, run 2 wires to the ECU and ignition is sorted.

[Dansedgli]

I have decided to get the car sorted first without the turbo.

I pulled the turbo off and whacked the stock exhaust manifold back on today. Its going to make things a lot easier to do if the car runs nice before the turbo is on it. :)

A mate is giving me a standard EA exhaust which should bolt up to the stock exhaust manifold as well. :) :)

This will save me weeks as I need more cash to do oil and water lines, get the exhaust done, cooler piping etc. That time can be spent driving the thing. :) :) :)

I get paid on the 15th every month and am broke already somehow :knock: I owed Mum cash, then bought another 3540 cos it was cheap then got stung with an insurance bill and a speeding fine. :sad:

Ive been reading up on these NA motors and people reckon getting 180rwkw out of them is a piece of piss. ie extractors, exhaust and a tune. There are only 3 or so 13 second NA Falcons going around. Maybe I should add my name to this list first. ;)

[tripper]

a NA ford 6 has been easy to get cheap power out off just add a cam to your list above and whack a holley on it for the carbie powered 6's.

Dansedgli you should find a few sluts to pimp out to help with the cash flow

[ALLMTR]

:(

Ah well I certainly understand that you have to do what you have to do...

[Com_VC]

how much did that edis module set you back? Where from?

Thanks

[Dansedgli]

Dansedgli you should find a few sluts to pimp out to help with the cash flow

GF says no. :sad:

:(

Ah well I certainly understand that you have to do what you have to do...

I dont think going NA will add much time to how fast the turbo goes on. As its costing me nothing to do I will be able to drive and tune it rather than just having it sit in the shed waiting on parts.

how much did that edis module set you back? Where from?

Thanks

I just ordered 2 more for $82 AUD as spares. They are $25 US each + postage.

Send an email to this guy:

boobalu@ptd.net

New plan of action:

Im not happy with my plenum, mainly because it scratches easy so Im gonna sell it. Im hearing reports how plenums like this are pretty shitty for low down torque so its gonna go on ebay today and Im going to fit a standard NA manifold.

Im going to leave the BBM functional so it uses both long and short runners. This should make it more responsive down low. This will help spool a turbo too wouldnt it?

Depending on how it goes a nizpro plenum will replace it down the track. I think it will work fine though.

After that I will get the car running with a stock exhaust. Take it somewhere quiet and get some tuning done, then put it on the dyno to see how it goes.

Then Ill decide what to do from there. I Hope to have all this done before this time next month.

[Rollin]

Tell me about these EDIS modules - what are the two wires from/to the ECU? Crank position in and spark timing out?

I've got a haltech E6X for the new motor (built EF 4.0) and want to run semi sequential injection and coil packs - the haltech needs a 6x signal (10* BTDC for each cylinder) then a 1x per 720* signal for TDC #1 - what sort of crank position output does the EDIS have? Do you think I could use it in the application stated above or should I stick with my backyard homejob modified EA dizzy?

[Dansedgli]

Tell me about these EDIS modules - what are the two wires from/to the ECU? Crank position in and spark timing out?

I've got a haltech E6X for the new motor (built EF 4.0) and want to run semi sequential injection and coil packs - the haltech needs a 6x signal (10* BTDC for each cylinder) then a 1x per 720* signal for TDC #1 - what sort of crank position output does the EDIS have? Do you think I could use it in the application stated above or should I stick with my backyard homejob modified EA dizzy?

I have NFI. I dont think the edis is good for anything but batch fire.

All I know is that it will work easily with the megasquirt and the falcon setup. EFFalcon on AFF had an ignition only ECU working with the same setup on his car. He didnt need to make any adjustments to base timing or anything, he just wired it up and that was it.

This page explains it all in detail.
http://www.megamanual.com/ms2/EDIS.htm

[Rollin]

Thanks for that...Looks like it's no better than the home job CFI dizzy I've slapped together...damn. I thought it might have been easy :(

Good luck getting your car going mate - should go well N/A with a tune anyway, driving the car will give you incentive to make it quicker, rather than getting depressed at all the cash you are throwing at an inanimate object in the shed!

[Dansedgli]

Yeah thats what I think too.

Plus I wouldnt mind being at the top of those NA and Forced 6 drag/dyno results in the E series section while being banned for a larf.

[Rollin]

If you do the times I will update them for you :D How long are you banned for? 30 days or eternity? :P

[Dansedgli]

Eternity unless I make an apology to Laminge.


sif.

[bigmuz]

Link to other forum where you sinned dan?

[Dansedgli]

www.fordforums.com.au

I recommend not signing up. Its the complete opposite of here.

I got banned for giving the O/P of this thread shit because he is a dreamer and tells lies to impress a bunch of kids. I said he was full of shit and got the banstick.

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=78584

He used to have a "consistent high 8 low 9 second twin turbo big block torana that was scary in the wet" dontchaknow. Yet doesnt know a wastegate from a blow off valve. :w:

[bigmuz]

I'm a member there. I thought it would help me figure out stuff about my Fairlane. Unfortunately it only has guys discussing how their dash light mod works great and blue headlights are ORSM. What thread? What's your name?

[Dansedgli]

Yeah its pretty sad.

Same name, the thread where I said he was full of shit got deleted because he had a sook and tried to make everyone feel sorry for him.

He got his wife to post and say that he was depressed and moping for the last 2 days because his friends on the internet were mean to him. :sandyvag:

He is in his late 30's and has a couple of kids I think. :confused:

[Dansedgli]

Oh BTW, got myself a temporary standard exhaust system, coil packs and an EF throttle body today.

If all goes well the megasquirt will be in this weekend and Ill be close to having it running.

Here is my list of things to do:

Fit stock Exhaust System to make it quiet. (not necessary to start it up)
Fit Intake Manifold
Finish some power wires, earth, starter
Mount Fuel Pump
Fit new Fuel lines
Fit Throttle body, EF throttle cable
Fluids
Mount Thermos, temperature switch
Heater hoses
Fit ECU

Ive got about 2000 words to go before I can get started.

[bigmuz]

Stop wasting time on the forum then.

But;

So you have a turbo V8 that has been running on the dyno.

Your going to build a turbo 6 from scratch rather than get a turbo rebuilt?

So new manifold, new motor, new oil lines, new exhaust system, new intercooler piping, new intercooler if yours is a twin entry one to suit the V8, new ECU configuration, new injectors/or use 6 of your "V8's" ones.

Have you got this album? I hear its really good.


:lol: :lol:
What engine goes from a "Torry" to a stock 6 cylinder ex governement falcon?

What a deadset fuckwit. He's like the falcon version of the cordia king.

[HoonBoy]

I joined up to fordforums.com.au ages ago when I had the Landau, I got some good advice back then including one guy who faxed me a wiring diagram. Then a couple of years later I had the XD and asked a couple of questions that got ignored, then when I sold it I copped abuse because it apprently wasn't worth the money I asked... It sold in the trading post for the price it was listed for. I now have another ford but don't bother going there.

[Dansedgli]

Yeah it has gone downhill in a big way.

The E series section which is full of young guys, approx 18-25's, is getting sick of all the BS. I think they will be moving to a different host/website/whatchamacallit soon.

Got back into the car last night and today. I put a stock intake manifold and fuel rail back on with an AU throttle body and 60lb injectors. I hope they wont be too big for it NA.

I had my doubts about the whole wiring job I did since It has never really been finished enough to test. I made a few earths today and attached a power wire back to the battery and sure enough all the electrics seem to work good. :D

Im stoked atm. All the lights work, apart from a dodgy hazards switch, the heater turns on, the radio lights up (no amps connected atm), the starter and horns relay clicks over. They arent attached atm.

Yay!

Ive got make to wrap some of the wires up and attach some P clips here and there but that can wait til later.

Now to finish the fuel system off. Then a few heater hoses, a new rad to suit the thermos, fluids then time for the ECU and trying to get it to start.

[out_in_front]

Yeah I haven't been on there for months, it is turning into FordRice.com.au, to much emphasis on looks and not enough on performance. I hate having to explain that Wastegates are used to control boost and not BOV's everytime some noob thinks of doing a turbo conversion.

[Dansedgli]

The engine and gearbox oils are done now. I bought an EF radiator so I could have factory fitment of the thermofans. Thermos and rad are in, putting coolant in revealed a stuffed thermostat housing gasket. :( the fuel lines I had lying around are too big so I need to get more tomorrow before i can finish the fuel system.

I still haven't got a neat way of doing the throttle body yet. Im going to get an XF throttle body tomorrow and try that, the bracket on those ones are integrated so hopefully that works out.

I'm going to run a battery - starter cable after dinner then start putting in the megasquirt unless something else comes up.

[ALLMTR]

Can you have fuel lines too big :)

Save me searching what fuel system are you using?

[tripper]

Can you have fuel lines too big :)

Save me searching what fuel system are you using?

the hose he had was to big for the fittings he had

[ALLMTR]

The fittings he had were too small for the hose he should be running :)

[bigmuz]

^bingo.

Though it isn't as important with an injected car as it is with a carb.

[Dansedgli]

Yeah the rubber lines I had were too big for the stock metal lines, I couldnt get them to stay on.

I have to get new lines. Its pissing down rain here atm so I cbf.

The fuel system was going to be a stock (I think) in tank pump, feeding a surge tank, then an 044 from there into stock lines, fuel rail and reg with 60lb injectors.

The same lines were fine with my old car at 340rwkw so they will do until I need bigger.

I think Ill need stronger internals for anywhere above 340 anyway so its a fair way off.

[Dansedgli]

I got an XF throttle body today and some standard fuel lines from a wrecked EA.

I ended up fitting the 2nd inline pump that was there before but I am using the standard lines rather than a single rubber line from the fuel tank to the fuel rail.

The XF throttle body seems to be the best pick but Im having trouble getting the cable to open and close the throttle body all the way.

I think I recall an XF throttle cable being similar so Ill suss out one of those next weekend. If that doesnt work I can space out the standard EA throttle cable somehow to get it to work right.

So all that is left is to fit 1 more fuel line, a throttle cable, fix a leak from the top radiator hose and put the ECU in.

Hopefully it is running by the end of next weekend.

[Dansedgli]

Scored a cheap BA turbo :D

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r3/dansedgli/turbo.jpg

[bigmuz]

Fuck. Yeah.

[denmaster]

twins!

[ALLMTR]

HAHAHA I can't keep up with the combo's :)

[Dansedgli]

BA turbo was cheap so I bought it for the Mav. Ill probably just resell it cheap now though.

I wasnt expecting it to show for the price I was gonna pay but here it is. :)

ECU is half done, need to wire up the ignition tomorrow then see if it starts.

[ALLMTR]

Dan = Turbos are us???

[Dansedgli]

little turbo sold.
Car going to a workshop monday.
megasquirt and accessories for sale $400.
skids eta 2 weeks.

[bigmuz]

?????

[Dansedgli]

Scored a good deal on a newly developed ECU. The seller offered to fit it cheap and use my car as a test mule.

The new ECU does more stuff and I don't have to read 11ty billion pages of internetz to figure it out.

The new ECU does coil on plug unlike the megasquirt which required ugly spark leads, it looks a lot better.

I installed the megasquirt, got some spark, got some fuel then got the offer so I just pulled it out.

[ALLMTR]

This is still the EA, right?

[Dansedgli]

This is still the EA, right?

:yup: :w:

[Dansedgli]

The car was towed to get an ECU put in today. :D Should be back in my hands in roughly 2 weeks.

[ALLMTR]

Cool. So your going with the to3 turbo on the 2.2 litre Telstar motor or have I missed the latest idea :)

[Dansedgli]

http://www.orlyowl.com/haha.jpg

Its the NA BA motor in the EA.

Once it is running and I get an exhaust made the 51R is going on :)

[ALLMTR]

Will the BA extractors fit?

[Dansedgli]

Which BA extractors?

Ive got a stock EA/EF exhaust bolted to the stock BA exhaust manifold atm.

Ill get a new exhaust done so I just have to make a dump pipe when the turbo goes on. I dont fancy driving around with the exhaust dumping from the turbo. Ive got a snort exhaust manifold for the 51R.

[ALLMTR]

Do they just run manifolds standard? What are you using?

[Dansedgli]

updated post above.

Is that what you wanted to know?

[ALLMTR]

Yes, yes it is.

[pdawg]

nice work man. are you a bit worried though that your car is gonna be the test mule?? or you reckon it should be fine?

[Dansedgli]

I think it will be fine. I know of similar ecu's running AU motors and apart from the coil on plugs and dvct they are the same.

He is going to get the vct running with another method so they switch at a certain position rather than be constantly variable.

[Dansedgli]

No updates!

I took the LM-1 kit in so he can fit it and try the adaptive tuning feature of the ECU. The ECU and loom is still yet to arrive :(

Im thinking about converting it to auto soon. I dont like changing gears.

KEAS recommends a TH400 for the EA, does anyone know what car these come from and where I can find one and how much I should expect to pay? The are from a holden but Im not sure which models, V6's or V8's only?

I want to get a stock box in there and setup for now and have it toughened up when the turbo goes on.

[ALLMTR]

Older HQ, HJ model statesman, one tonners etc

I'll see what I can find

[Dansedgli]

Thanks Chuck, I learned that a Th400 is also called a Turbo 400 and that brought up a shiteload of results on google that helped.

Im not 100% sure that is what Im going to get though yet. An auto is a few months away at least.

[ALLMTR]

Apparently Protrans in Syd believe they can build C4's to take 900hp

[2JZR31]

Nice going Dan. What did you pay for the GT35?

[Dansedgli]

Thanks Chuck.

Dennis: $428 incl postage :D sold it already though to help pay for ecu.

[Dansedgli]

The ECU is half installed as of last wednesday, he reckons Ill be able to drive it home next friday. :)

Today I bought a 5 speed EB series 2 GLi for $800 so I could steal the wiring, interior plastics, heater, air con, dash, koni shocks and pedders springs but after driving it home it seems too nice to wreck out.

Not sure if I should pay the rego on it and keep it as a spare car because Ive still got the maverick and motorbike. The maverick needs $1000 worth of work to be driveable again though. :(

[Dansedgli]

Pics of parts car:

Not a bad buy for $800 once I sell off the manual conversion for $500.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r3/dansedgli/EB2.jpg

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r3/dansedgli/eb22.jpg

[ALLMTR]

Looks good

Bet you can't wait to get your car back

[Dansedgli]

Yep, Im hanging for it now.

I went in to visit today and the guys who are working on it weren't there. I took a look and the ECU looks done minus 2 wires for the map sensor.

Not sure if the cam mods were done though. Either way it shouldnt be far off being finished.

Once my wiring is sorted Ill put the turbo on it. NA FTL.

[Dansedgli]

It runs!

They got it started up today, needs more tuning but I should be able to take it home soon. :D

[ALLMTR]

Is it "soon" yet?

[Dansedgli]

I dont think so :( Ill go visit again this weekend. Next week is pay day (I get paid monthly) so I will have a nice buffer of cash to start getting the turbo on there straight away at least.

I went in on Saturday and they discovered the stock map sensor doesnt read enough boost so he is getting a GM 3 bar map sensor in there. Not sure if its in yet though.

Current time car has been off the road getting onto 9 months. WTF!!! The actual engine conversion part took a weekend. :(

[Nelso]

Turbo early 90's model falc. I like the cut of your jib.

[Dansedgli]

Running!!

it has a few issues but nothing big. The battery cable has a fuse on it which died in the arse when he cranked it over. He cant get the idle smoothly. He suspects the 9 month old fuel to be at fault causing it to overfuel. The coolant temp sensor is dodgy.

My LM1 is dead. The polarity on my ciggy lighter was reversed he said and it killed it :( :(

Hopefully it can be repaired cheap.

Im going in tomorrow to visit. It should be ready to go next weekend. :D :D

[Jim]

awesome stuff!
check your engine earths, often a major source of electrical gremlins.

[Dansedgli]

My wiring is fucked. I need to get a wreck and replace everything back to stock I think. Its all been hacked at by previous owners and Ive had voltage issues since day 1.

But its running so Im happy now. :D