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Random shots of a very slow moving project.
Started as a perfectly good V6 Capri...then I wrecked it.
So far, its stripped has 3/4 of the cage in it & Ive got a few bits & pieces that add up to an extraordinary sum of money.
It looked like that when you bought it? :eek: Ya sure did fucked him. :rotflol:
Cal.
The Pupat
28-11-06, 03:13 PM
Yeah it actually did look alright when he bought it...
Err, yes...its just not the same!
Ive got a bit to do havent I?
Bill Surewood
28-11-06, 03:24 PM
Ive got a bit to do havent I?
Better hurry up and get that 2-post hoist equiped oz-barn/garage built.
Dansedgli
28-11-06, 03:24 PM
Yes.
Cage looks like a good piece of work.
Motorsportlady
28-11-06, 03:25 PM
3/4 of cage:) *shaking head* you shouldn't add up the costs of toys (it's like trying to add up how much you've spent on alcohol/entertainment/travel etc...just a silly Idea)................Everyone spends as much as they can afford playing!
I reckon I need to wait until I get possession/settle Jon...People get crabby when you build shit in their back yard.
Dan, Cage is a long way from finished in those pics...
3/4 of cage:) *shaking head* you shouldn't add up the costs of toys (it's like trying to add up how much you've spent on alcohol/entertainment/travel etc...just a silly Idea)................Everyone spends as much as they can afford playing!
Funny thing is I could tell you almost to the dollar what my race car cost, but wouldn't have the faintest idea how much I spent on booze this year. The closest guesstimate I could make is a lot. :)
Cal.
I know what the Capri owes me so far & by the time KCF has finished it will be significantly more than your entire car Cal...make me want to drink more.
Like the diagonal fixed doorbar, guessing that at the back it is no higher than the seat squab?
Motorsportlady
28-11-06, 03:48 PM
Like the diagonal fixed doorbar, guessing that at the back it is no higher than the seat squab?
That reminds me what I heard last night..... that Brocky's demise and the results of inquiry have resulted in more stringent protection applied to road setups...i.e. if tree in situation where it could be impacted sideways by competition vehicle a flat barrier(possibly concrete) has to be constructed to protect, as whole vehicle will bounce off a flat barrier! or trees/obstacle removed(can't imaging the greenies liking that one). Will probably mean another increase in entry fee costs!
Richard, Dont know, dont care. There is a cross bar going in there with the box bit in the middle of the X. I give no fark for road legalities.
dattoman1000
28-11-06, 04:01 PM
Whats the cage made of and who's doing it (oh and how many peanuts ?)
CDS steel, KCF & whats there so far is about $4k...It might get to $6500 before its finished. All the messy strut tower stuff is still to be done, plus the door bars, & a couple of FIA bars around the windscreen & doors.
Stiff chassis FTW...also keep tassie redwoods out if my skills dont.
dattoman1000
28-11-06, 04:13 PM
Done the brakes yet ?
Ive got a bit to do havent I?
Pulling the rock out may have worked out a cheaper and easier option for you
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b117/bigstim179/solution1.jpg
Done the brakes yet ?
Howard (race brakes) has done the fronts, it needed to have hubs fabricated etc...
Anyway, it has to run 15 inch rims under the regs. Fronts consist of Chromolly billet hubs using commodore bearings (big & cheap compared to capri ones), 2 piece 300mm rotors & 4 spot APs (the smaller of the 2 4 spots...big ones wouldnt fit)...they also got nice big harrop studs.
I'll get a pic or two in about 10 days when I will finally get up there to pay him & pick them up.
Edo, has the cage been mig'd or tig'd?
tig...quite the PITA too apparently.
dattoman1000
29-11-06, 11:26 AM
You know I have a brake fetish so keen on those pics
Yeah well you will just have to wait:)
just for you dattoman.
All fits inside a 15 inch superlight...juuuust. Billet chromoly hubs using falcon bearings. I love nice stuff like this!
nice brake package there edo!!!
Gandalf - you must have one massive monitor....
BoganDAVE
10-01-07, 10:44 AM
Keith does great work, a mate bought a torana that he did a lot of work on and I would say that it is the best engineering I have seen on any car, other than daryl macbeth's magna, whilst being a functional car.
dattoman1000
10-01-07, 10:46 AM
Thats pretty
So now I want details
Who made the hats and brackets (6061 minimum I guess as they are threaded)
What disc is it
Is that a CP5200 caliper..... looks like it....... just want to confirm
Going to lockwire those bolts ?
Howard at Race brakes here in Melb did them, & they are being couriered to KCF in Brissy...so it can roll again.
Howard had the hubs, hats & brackets made.
Its an AP rotor apparently
Dunno what model the caliper is, but its the 2nd biggest 4 spot...the biggest just wouldnt fit.
I'll lockwire the entire car when it goes together for the final time...until then finger tight FTW!
Oh strut legs are Group 4 Bilstein)
This is actually making progress?
Good stuff. And those brakes are drool worthy :)
Motorsportlady
10-01-07, 11:09 AM
Why is there no 'Slotting' on the Discs?
BTW Nice Brakes!
This is actually making progress?
should be ready for Targa 2025 - just as the last of the classic shape Rex's can be entered as, well, classics, competing in George's class and shitting him off no end.
Slotting is not the go on those disks according to Howard...& he knows stuff.
Tejay, Well not really...things get held up when you move states & leave the car with someone in the state you left, I literally havent seen it for 5 months...and probably wont until the end of March when it eventually heads down here, then I can actually get moving with it.
I move in to my my new house in Mid feb & will start the shed straight away so its ready when the car arrives.
Will you be putting 90/10s in it so you can launch like this?
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b117/bigstim179/trick_manswetto.jpg
tig...quite the PITA too apparently.
I'm positive thats been Mig'd, Edo... :huh:
Dunno, Keith told me tig & said it was tough in spots to get in there. Regardless he has to do it to regs & he knows what they are and has to put his name on it so I expect it will be just fine.
The Pupat
11-01-07, 03:01 PM
I'm positive thats been Mig'd, Edo... :huh:
I reckon it's Tig'd bit too neat to be MIG.
Ben Wilson
11-01-07, 03:10 PM
I'd be saying a bit of both.
Some of that stuff if definately Mig'd
Nope, no mig there, the runs are typical tig, it's just a prick to weld into tight corners with a tig due to the size of the torch so it can end up a bit mig looking as the torch has to be further away.
Cheers
TK
I cant imagine Keith lying to me about it being tig but I wouldnt know by looking at it.
BoganDAVE
11-01-07, 04:14 PM
I cant imagine Keith lying to me about it being tig but I wouldnt know by looking at it.
on the KCF rollcage promo stand it actually says that they tig all cages and shows the difference between stick, mig and tig joints. I doubt it would be migged.
hate to be a wet blanket but theres not a tig weld to be seen in those pictures.
i wouldnt lose any sleep over it though , its going to fucking near bulletproof as far as strength.
the fitup hours required in getting all those joints perfect enough to allow tig welding would blow 4k out of the water , even then it would be mostly a waste of time as the reverse side of some of those joints is simply not accessable to a tig or a mig.
good project by the way , i remember footage of a yellow capri competing in the tarmac rallys a few years ago , looked awesome fun to drive , tail-out action galore.
msmola2002
11-01-07, 05:05 PM
i remember footage of a yellow capri competing in the tarmac rallys a few years ago , looked awesome fun to drive , tail-out action galore.
That would be the limbert/ford one from newcastle. Especially the sideways bit. The owner also has an old 124 fiat sports sedan with a p76 5L v8, and it was seldom pointing in a straight line. Rolled at east coast targa in 04, Just did mt buller at the end of last year, keep an eye out for it at targa this year.
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f349/msmola2002/kaotiqpics/FordCapriV8.jpg
I bought my ex-bahaimus E30 off the driver. :D
thats the one.
was so refreshing to see and hear that thing against the annoying drone of wrx's and the like.
looked like it actually took some skill to drive and looked way better doing it.
msmola2002
11-01-07, 05:33 PM
looked like it actually took some skill to drive and looked way better doing it.
Had some suspension sortage at buller. The dampers in the rear weren't the right ones for the job, it is now quicker and less snappy, much more drivable. Whereas before it was quickest just getting into the oversteer, now it is quicker without doing that and is much nicer on tyres too.
psssi98
11-01-07, 05:44 PM
Tig Weld
http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/Images/how%20to/tig/tig%20weld.jpg
Mig Weld
http://www.btinternet.com/~jhpart/hoeb0057.jpg
Begin debate.
find a better example of the mig weld , that ones turd.
find a better example of the mig weld , that ones turd.
Agreed :p
It might be tig tacked, but the rest looks migged to me. Having said that it's only cds so either done well is fine.
Oh, you should offer to buy the caliper bracket machinist some ball endmills. Radius> Bevel, plus all those sharp edges. Design looks good but square edges get my goat. For an extra 5 minutes in the mill you can radius every inside and outside corner and make it look right.
Bunch of critical bastards in here, this thing (when it's done :) ) will eat pretty much anything thrown up against it, all the work looks damn fine to me.
Still say the welds are tig, I'd like to see someone get into those tight spots with a mig & produce a weld that looks that good & has decent penetration.
V8 Capri FTMFW
Cheers
TK
lol, My plan is never to find out just how good the cage is. FWIW Rz, it will blow $4k out of the water...
Muz, geez youre harsh...shiny & pointy FTW
TK, Im itching to get moving on it but basically with my move interstate, selling houses, buying new houses etc etc its basically been put back a year from where it should be. Muz should have already had it to paint & I should be bolting it all together.
I think it should be a great fun thing to drive, its going to require some serious adjustment from me...I havent driven anything old in anger for 15 years.
Limberts car above is a C3 because he has several mods which wont allow it to fit into my C2 category. I'll still be aiming to go as fast, mine will have a fair few things his doesnt as well, but will be carefully built within the C2 regs.
itsnotagsr
12-01-07, 08:40 AM
Edo - I thought the Targa regs said that the brakes have to come from something that is a maximum of 5 years newer than the car its on?
Well you thought wrong. Well, half wrong, if you run C1 (basically standard) then its 2 years.
In C2 & above brakes are free...of course they are restricted by the wheel restrictions
find a better example of the mig weld , that ones turd.
Needs a clean up, but this ones not too shabby.
http://www.millerwelds.com/education/tech_tips/MIG_tips/images/good_weld.jpg
and I agree, doesn't look like any TIG to me.
Could just be Edo's poor photography skills though :D
Bunch of critical bastards in here, this thing (when it's done :) ) will eat pretty much anything thrown up against it, all the work looks damn fine to me.
Still say the welds are tig, I'd like to see someone get into those tight spots with a mig & produce a weld that looks that good & has decent penetration.
V8 Capri FTMFW
Cheers
TK
I'll give it a run in Godiva...will both be finished in 2 years?...that's the first race!
Sure, show up at a tarmac rally running in C2 & we shall see.
Its not going to be built for circuits...but might get a run in a sports sedan race or two as part of its shakedown. Im expecting it to be spectacularly uncompetitive there!
Edo: bloody fussy lot.
I'd still have it in a heartbeat. Looks the goods.
Have you already bought all your bits and peices or are you doing it stage by stage?
Sure, show up at a tarmac rally running in C2 & we shall see.
Its not going to be built for circuits...but might get a run in a sports sedan race or two as part of its shakedown. Im expecting it to be spectacularly uncompetitive there!
Bah!...I'm going to have what 190-200kw against your 300??
I actually expect to lose but I'll give you a run on a circuit!
SV-i, Ive got most bits...Obviously the body, the diff, gearbox, 1/2 the brakes, seats (cause you need them fitted before the cage goes in), gauges, lights. Im still short an engine, suspension & rear brakes plus all the gazillion little things, some which I have, some I dont.
Nero, Dunno about power...TK initially thought 550hp...I had to talk him down a bit, a nice driveable 400-450hp will be heaps with a leaf sprung live axle & 7 inch rims! Im kinda hoping it will weigh around 1100kg which is not much more than the minimum allowed in the regs.
Ummm, you will have to completely root up the suspension design of Godiva to make it handle as bad as the best I can hope for with this thing...If I could beat you just because I had 30% more power then there is something really really wrong.
I've given up on the design od Godiva's suspension, simply put I'm not going to do it, its simply too critical and I need a pro. Fortunately I've found someone good, so perhaps I will have an advantage...plus the fact that I can run 9-9.5" rims at the back.
Interesting comparo....down 150-200bhp and more grip...sandown (damn big long straight) you win, winton I win and PI??
real race will be to see who finishes first...odd on you will.
I still dont expect that the Capri will be anything special on a circuit...not being smart, I really dont see how it will be.
well it should be fun if not fast
Oh, Im expecting it to be bulk fun...thats the whole idea. It should be competitive in its class in the tarmac rallies but there are a lot more better funded things around (Len Caitlins 69 Boss Mustang is in my class & cost over $200k to build).
It should entertain the crowds too...its very funny being a spectator & watching something you've competed in...the guy on the side of the road will stand there in snow to see a V8 whatever go past, but he probably wouldnt even turn around to watch a Porsche or GTR
RNS-11Z
13-01-07, 08:46 PM
ım ın turkey atm, spotted one of these yesterday. checked ıt out, what a machıne. the only thıng, ı couldnt tell wether ıt was a 302or 351. some old dude owned ıt, and had another one how ever wıth a 2.6l v6 ın ıt. he saıd the v6 ones also cameout ın turbo, but ın the late 70s model
Turkey? Cool...If its a real Perana then its a 302W. Yep, Zacspeed did a few turbo V6s, dont know much about them though
Geez...I just paid the bill for those brakes...$4k...damn!
Motorsportlady
16-01-07, 10:16 AM
Geez...I just paid the bill for those brakes...$4k...damn!
Considering the set up it's quite reasonable!
Your car is not really on any budget is it?;)
Geez...I just paid the bill for those brakes...$4k...damn!
brakes or brakes and strut?
Looking good Edo - get it finished so we can do skids. :)
MSL, Well sort of... I have a budget, its sort of going to get shredded though I think.
Sv i, Thats for the rotors, hats, hubs, studs, brackets, bearings & calipers...given that the hubs are machined from billet chromoly (and are so sexy I almost ordered another one to use as a paperweight) I suppose Im not that shocked but geez, you bung a wheel on & you cant see any of it.
Struts will add a significant amount.
Vicko, there is a natural order of things here that cannot be rushed. Move into house, demolish pox shed, build cool shed, get car from Qld, scratch up money left over from house & shed & build rest of car...then do skids.
dattoman1000
16-01-07, 10:48 AM
Geez...I just paid the bill for those brakes...$4k...damn!
Best I put the price up on the Toranas I'm doing for Targa then
And redirect the owners to this thread
haha, glad to be of service. I dont mind paying for nice stuff, & it is pretty nice
Sooo.. Skids end of Jan?
I noticed you didnt specify a year.
hmmm good point.. If Cathy is anything to go by.. 2009? :D
Well you come around & look at it when it gets here...there will be quite a bit to be done, but it will happen faster when its in the same state as me.
What gearbox are you going to be running/>?
toploader...which I already have...close ratio all new from David Kees in the states, lots of nice bits inside
Cool, if you didn't have it sorted I could of helped you out with something similar. Close ratio boxes can be hard to get for the right price with your north of 400hp.
dattoman1000
16-01-07, 06:36 PM
Cost of Toploader ?
Strangely enough it was expensive too...$5k once it was here with everything paid. I had a few other quotes on reconditioned boxes which were much cheaper, but no one else could supply all brand new gears & lots of other bits got re used. It also has a lot of tricky bits inside it which are supposed to make it nicer to use & stronger. That includes a bellhousing, flywheel, clutch & shifter too. Dunno if Im going to be able to use the shifter (its a hurst thing) because of clearance to the trans tunnel...the shifter sticks out the side a fair way.
If anyone knows of a nice shifter please let me know!
Looking good Edo - nice brakes - AP FTW! Time sux on these things, I purchased my latest car 12 months ago and the cage is due to be finished this week! Everything takes 10x more time than a normal human would expect!
dynomatt
18-01-07, 07:04 AM
Edo, on a personal level, I will be keen to see Keith's final price. The good thing for his business is that he keeps a record of ALL time spent on the car...the bad thing is that everybody else doesn't, and they all charge accordingly.
My bill was significantly higher than I expected...like 50%.
And for the record, my CDS cage was also MIG'd...not TIG to be seen. Good quality work, and no complaints with what he's done, just wish the charges had been discussed in advance.
Matt
Well, I only really got a price on the cage, & some vague ideas on some of the other bits. When he told me the price on the cage my immediate reaction was that it wouldnt be as substantial as I had planned...so we discussed all that, but not how much extra that would cost.
He has a fairly long list of stuff to do in addition to the cage, and Im not expecting any of it to be cheap. The diff for example, I supplied a complete BW out of an EF. It needs to be narrower, have all the brackets changed over, have new axles made, be converted to fully floating with adjustable camber & have a Kaaz centre...I reckon that will be between $4k-$5k.
Im not suggesting that you dont, but I think I do have a good idea of what this type of stuff costs when you get it done by people who are acknowleged as the best in the business.
I'll worry about all that when Ive got my house with its nice shiny new shed. Keith has had the car for just under a year now & has only done the part of the cage pictured, I have paid him more than that is worth already. Ive told him my situation & it suits him to go slow on my car, using it to fill in spare time I think.
If they got stuck into it I expect it would take him 2-3 weeks to get everything done...but thats the last thing I need right now:)
Id say I'll be looking at a bill of around $20k plust the $6k Ive already paid...I'll freak if its 50% more than that!
The good thing is that he is building a group 4 escort himself & lots of the parts between escorts & capris are the same so he is just ordering double of those sweet trick bits from the UK.
hotgemini
02-02-07, 04:27 PM
Edo: I'm feeling a little bit dispondent this afternoon and hearing tales of your wallet screaming in agony usually cheer me up. Any updates on the perana?
Sorry to dissapoint big fella but its just sitting at KCF waiting for Keith to get around to doing some more cage & stuff.
I did have to buy a house in Melbourne though...that hurt.
edo: Do us a favor... take a pic of all the new bits waiting to go on a table or something so we can perve?
Ummm, I have no bits...they are either in storage until I get the house (2 weeks) or they are at KCF with the car/shell!
I got nuthin!
hotgemini
07-02-07, 07:11 AM
Hmm, I feel... nothing... no smug satisfaction that somebody tortures himself more in the name of automotive passion, no gloating warmth at the prospect of someone taking longer to finish a car than I will... I think I might be braindead. Send help.
Edo if you need a bloke to put up a garage let me know, my 10.8 X 6 garage went up in a day and a bit.
BTW I had a quote for front legs and side intrusion bars added to my little car: $1k
hotgem, bullet is in the mail.
Nero, Im planning on building a brick (besser blocks) shed because I want 2 of the walls on the fence line & they get funny about that apparently. If I revert to tin I'll yell out.
The bars through the firewall to the front struts in the capri are a bit unusual in that they have to go under the guards instead of in the engine bay. Its a bit fiddly but will work out ok. Then there is extra bracing behind the dash because the bars are further apart...blah blah.
Our capri is driving out right now for its freash coat of paint. will see if i got pics of it somewhere. it looks like that yellow one when it was yellow but it has been red for a year or so now and the south america trip took a bit of paint off. SHOCK
cool, pics would be awesome.
The Pupat
07-02-07, 10:09 AM
Hmm, I feel... nothing... no smug satisfaction that somebody tortures himself more in the name of automotive passion, no gloating warmth at the prospect of someone taking longer to finish a car than I will... I think I might be braindead. Send help.
Just speak to shifty... or PSI999, they'll make you feel better.
Ummm, I have no bits...they are either in storage until I get the house (2 weeks) or they are at KCF with the car/shell!
I got nuthin!Do ya have bits yet?
Edo - there were some fantastic Capri's at PI on the weekend, along with a yellow Pantera that sounded like the world was about to end.
Beavis, Umm...in boxes...oh I have one seat down here...nothing really cool though. No shed yet. Oh, I made a pretty dash...all the gauges & lights but thats not too much fun.
svi, I just ran out of time to get to the historics. Id say Ive seen the capris before...they are allowed some things we arent & vice versa. Seen the Pantera too, proper man car.
Actually, my mate took delivery of his Roaring Forties GT40 on Sat, so I was hurtling around in that most of the day...another man car.
edo: Well.. what's the hold-up? :p I am going to help a bloke up here spanner on his RF GT40 build... should be fun!
I got nuthin worth photgraphing...
Oh, you know RF went broke dont you? If you need any bits I can get hold of the guys who bought all the gear.
svi, I just ran out of time to get to the historics. Id say Ive seen the capris before...they are allowed some things we arent & vice versa. Seen the Pantera too, proper man car.
Actually, my mate took delivery of his Roaring Forties GT40 on Sat, so I was hurtling around in that most of the day...another man car.
yep, got your PM. There was a 70 Mustang done up in Trans Am colours and I heard someone say it had a Boss motor in it, but the pit crew were not happy campers so I stayed wheel away from their flying spanners and didnt ask.
I got nuthin worth photgraphing...
Oh, you know RF went broke dont you? If you need any bits I can get hold of the guys who bought all the gear.Yeah I heard the results of the story, the details (at least to me) are still a little weird. But thanks for the offer! I think the bloke has just about everything he needs, he is probably about 2/3rds of the way through assembly. I think he has the motor in now...
svi, Im sure it probably did have the boss motor...no shortage of cash in those circles...those blocks (the original ones) were worth a mint, not sure what they would be worth now it has been rereleased, or even if they could use the new one.
Beavis, Long story short, body man found god who spoke to him & told him not to work in fibreglass anymore. The lack of a suitable body builder in Aust led Logan to South Africa...who fucked him over. He returned the deposits he was holding for 15 cars & went broke...bloody sad for something that was judged the worlds best kit car
Beavis, Long story short, body man found god who spoke to him & told him not to work in fibreglass anymore. The lack of a suitable body builder in Aust led Logan to South Africa...who fucked him over. He returned the deposits he was holding for 15 cars & went broke...bloody sad for something that was judged the worlds best kit car
EDO Please, where on earth do you source your information before posting on a public forum ????
:D
elxr8393
16-03-07, 10:22 AM
EDO Please, where on earth do you source your information before posting on a public forum ????
:D
Good Job Foxy - don't believe everything you read here ! PB
lol, thats the story I got from Howard at Race brakes...who is building 2 cars for the 2 blokes who bought the bits that were left over from Logan...he was also logans brake supplier.
You know better?
Sameish story I got from a bloke here who bought what must have been one of the last (and biggest dollar) 40s they did...
Good Job Foxy - don't believe everything you read here ! PB
Haha, I just got referred to your other post...go bash Howard...you know him & he told me!
Anyhoo...here are some pics of my happy mate having his car delivered.
elxr8393
16-03-07, 11:07 AM
lol, thats the story I got from Howard at Race brakes...who is building 2 cars for the 2 blokes who bought the bits that were left over from Logan...he was also logans brake supplier.
You know better?
Yes, I do know a little better. You may have misinterpretted what Howard said. Howard is helping 2 blokes who bought cars - not the business. He does supply some of the brake parts.
One of the car owners is a dentist, the other a restaurateur, neither own Roaring Forties nor bought the parts left over - that would be us. Again I think your story is a little muddled.
Regards Paul
HoonBoy
16-03-07, 11:07 AM
Nice car, but don't let towie see the trailer or tie down job... he will start his own rant! :)
Lmao :)
Jamies car looks the Biz Edo. When are we going for trundle? :D
Yes, I do know a little better. You may have misinterpretted what Howard said. Howard is helping 2 blokes who bought cars - not the business. He does supply some of the brake parts.
One of the car owners is a dentist, the other a restaurateur, neither own Roaring Forties nor bought the parts left over - that would be us. Again I think your story is a little muddled.
Regards Paul
I reckon Howard was way muddled...he definately said a stockbroker & dentist owned it now...anyway, sorry about that.
Just to make it clear...god wasnt involved was he?:)
Maybe you might be able to help, what spring rates should the car pictured above have? The shocks are knackered & I reckon the springs are far too light (dont know what rate they are)...I have a feeling the shocks were bought second hand because they all leak & its only done 5000km
Lmao :)
Jamies car looks the Biz Edo. When are we going for trundle? :D
It will be ages now...Simon has it!
Its getting tuned (M800) because a big black cloud followed it everywhere, its also getting air filters...because it didnt have any & its getting shocks & springs because they are broke.
elxr8393
16-03-07, 12:08 PM
I reckon Howard was way muddled...he definately said a stockbroker & dentist owned it now...anyway, sorry about that.
Just to make it clear...god wasnt involved was he?:)
Maybe you might be able to help, what spring rates should the car pictured above have? The shocks are knackered & I reckon the springs are far too light (dont know what rate they are)...I have a feeling the shocks were bought second hand because they all leak & its only done 5000km
No probs helping Edo, sorry I don't know that car, can you tell me if it's a 302 or 4.6 and fitted with konis or avo's please, PB
Its a 302, finished in 01 in Adelaide. Im 99% sure they are spax shocks.
Who spends that kind of money and uses 2nd hand shocks?
Cal.
Dunno, its weird...one way or another they are a shortcut...either 2nd hand or just crap
elxr8393
16-03-07, 01:22 PM
Edo, give me a call or have the owner call me - both konis and avos in stock, we've never used spax, Paul 03 9455 1511
No worries, I'll give Jamie your number. I doubt he will ring you until the engine side of things is sorted though.
I had a feeling that these things were all wrong...
Oh, I may give you a call next week...I have another bloke who wants to put a Nissan V8 in one...he has Jamies car at the moment & is giving it a once over, if he likes it I think he will be all over it.
elxr8393
16-03-07, 01:42 PM
Oh, I may give you a call next week...I have another bloke who wants to put a Nissan V8 in one...he has Jamies car at the moment & is giving it a once over, if he likes it I think he will be all over it.
No Probs Edo,
If Jamie wants to give me a call soon I may be able to help him sort his other problems too,
Regards Paul
The Pupat
16-03-07, 01:43 PM
This is coming far too civil and it's friday afternoon and I'm bored.
More e-warrior -ing FTW!!! :)
oh noes a GT40 with a nissan donk?
i hope its assisted to make up for the travesty.
awesome BTW. mate gets his cobra mondayz.... to say the least i cant wait to have a drive.
Nup, they are in hand...unless you have a magic answer for air filters on top of the injection trumpets!
Simon at Nizpro has the car for a tune & check over...he is the bloke who wants a nissan engine in one.
Maddy...its simon...there is no way it wont be at least 6 litres with 2 turbos.
The Pupat
16-03-07, 03:43 PM
Nup, they are in hand...unless you have a magic answer for air filters on top of the injection trumpets!
Simon at Nizpro has the car for a tune & check over...he is the bloke who wants a nissan engine in one.
Maddy...its simon...there is no way it wont be at least 6 litres with 2 turbos.
you should suggest a supercharger.
He loves those things.
I think he would rather lose his last nut.
What happened to the other one?
Cal.
I might have to head out there for a peek then Edo :)
GT40 caught fire on the dyno...eeep. Only a little one apparently, but Simon hates it now, it also only made 160rwkw so he hates it more.
That's, um, no good. Fuel leak or a line burst or something? Also I replied to your post about Senegal and Morocco... :)
The oil filler/breather in the rocker cover caught fire...work that out.
That's... weird. What motor does it have now, a 302?
Fire in cover breather = fuel in breather = excessive blowby = engine tired.
You mentioned it was blowing black smoke, so it's been overfueling & has probably washed/glazed the bores, resulting in blowby. The overfueling combined with poor ring seal will result in a lot of fuel ending up in the oil, when it gets warm (ie. on the dyno) the fuel evaporates, some will condense in the breathers. This'll result in a very combustable mix in the crankcase, unlikely to explode due to lack of oxygen but quite likely to catch fire in the breathers.
Time for a freshen & some more HP, 160rwkw is rather pathetic.
TK
Well, its a 3000km old crate motor...but it has been running without air filters...
What Simon has found is that the throttles are not syncronised, so while one might be 10% open, the others could be anywhere from closed to about 40% open...this makes it hard to tune. At WOT its fine, all are 100% open...which explains why it blew smoke except when it was WOT.
Get this...it had a MAP sensor connected...reading from the crankcase???
I think if it can make 160rwkw & run properly throughout the rev range it will be good enough for now, the bloody car only weighs 890kg so it doesnt need a lot to feel pretty quick.
Well, its a 3000km old crate motor...but it has been running without air filters...
What Simon has found is that the throttles are not syncronised, so while one might be 10% open, the others could be anywhere from closed to about 40% open...this makes it hard to tune. At WOT its fine, all are 100% open...which explains why it blew smoke except when it was WOT.
Get this...it had a MAP sensor connected...reading from the crankcase???
Eeerk!
Yup, that'll make things unhappy!
The black smoke/overfuelling is a problem tho, the bores/rings are probably already glazed & not sealing well even if the dust hasn't killed the rings.
Getting everything else sorted first would be the go, then you can try an old racers trick to bring the rings back to life - hold the revs up around 3-4000rpm & slowly trickle dishwashing detergent into the trumpets, the soap washes the oil off the bores & lets the rings have metal/metal contact with the bores, scuffing them up & breaking the glaze. After the detergent treatment you take it out & thrash fuck outa it in the hope the rings will re-bed properly.
BTW - this ain't bullshit, even the V8 supertaxi teams have been known to try this to get a motor right in a hurry.
It'll either fix it or fuck it.
Other option is to just give it a real hard time on the dyno to try & bed those rings - sometimes works if you can load it up enough.
TK
Oh, its been detonating on some cyls at light throttle too, because of the differences in throttle openings.
Any idea on WTF is going on with a map sensor reading crankcase pressure???
The Pupat
19-03-07, 02:20 PM
Oh, its been detonating on some cyls at light throttle too, because of the differences in throttle openings.
Any idea on WTF is going on with a map sensor reading crankcase pressure???
It sounds like it was played with by someone that really knew what they were doing.
It sounds like it was played with by someone that really knew what they were doing.
Yup.
Can't think of any reason to run a map sensor reading crankcase pressure, not a sane one anyway.
TK
Do you know Mike Dale? He lives over there & he did it...I thought it might have been an SA hot setup?
I know a few Mikes, but I don't know any last names!
Where does he work? - I'll tell people to avoid them!
TK
I know a guy who run a map sensor in crankcase but thats because he had a big vacuum pump on it and was logging it against oil pressure.
Motorsportlady
19-03-07, 03:15 PM
TK what about if you put a 'running in oil' I remember using a Castrol one years ago(has none of the added gunk) in the engine and giving it a hard run????......would it be worth a try first?..........I've seen some engines go 'really messy' with the incorrect application/addition of detergent! (f***ed as you said)
I know a few Mikes, but I don't know any last names!
Where does he work? - I'll tell people to avoid them!
TK
Road & track...which is over there somewhere...
Ive heard the detergent thing before but I have a feeling that if its farked then its properly farked...too many things that are wrong to have it all easily fixable.
Road & track have a bit of an average rep over here (I've seen a couple of F**K ups from them), still boggles the mind that they could do something that stupid tho.
2of's comment about a vac pump would make sense, even a dry sump set up to scavenge crankcase pressure could warrant it, anything more than 12-16" of vac & it'll start pulling oil out the gudgeons - bad, worth keeping an eye on.
But if this thing has breathers then that won't be the case, a vac pump or scavange system requires a sealed crankcase.
The only explanation I can think of is that they totally misunderstood the layout of the intake & put the fitting in thinking they were getting 'manifold pressure' by sticking it anywhere in the manifold, no-one's that stupid tho, are they?
Motorsportlady - any cheap & nasty & thinish oil will do the same job as running in oil, it's worth a shot, but I suspect it's past it.
If the bores are just glazed it has a good chance of coming good, if they're worn/scored from being dusted nothing can save it.
TK
We are back on track here...well sort of. TK has something to share with you all!
Oh, council are being cunts, they dont believe my shed isnt an additional dwelling!
Hey mod people, how bout moving this to the racey section?
Any idea on WTF is going on with a map sensor reading crankcase pressure???
I'll take this one Guy.
The tuner was measuring the pressure at which the CCV system would explode. Common trick employed by all the big names.
TK has something to share with you all!
Can it be fixed by a cream and or lotion? :D
Edo's you beaut SVO R302 block has arrived:
30906
30907
30908
30909
Last one available in Australia, only a few left in the USA - no longer made as the new boss block has replaced them. Unfortunately the boss block is quite obviously not a stock block (visually) so it can't be used in edo's capri, this one on the other hand is externally stock looking & therefore ideal.
She'll get a good coat of CRC, get wrapped up & sat in a quiet corner till it's time to use it, only grabbed it now coz pretty soon they'll be no longer available.
TK
Well fark...those main caps are a tad bigger than usual:)
Indeed they are, this one won't be breaking in half!
how old is it - ie: era when produced??
Probably about 3 months ago...but externally the casting is the same as that made pre 1981...so it all be legal
Indeed they are, this one won't be breaking in half!
Good...plan is nice reliable donk that sounds tough & doesnt need me to change gears hardly ever...remember?:)
Oh & not so much HP that my little tyres cant cope all the time...some of the time will be good though
It will have 331...which is 1 less than I am allowed.
Needs boost then. Pair of turbos and a powerglide and youll be changing gears as often as Guido changes underpants (about twice a month)
Needs boost then. Pair of turbos and a powerglide and youll be changing gears as often as Guido changes underpants (about twice a month)
Would probably run high 10's with decent tyres on it too
Yeah, ok...thats a tops plan.
for sure. the capri would make a brilliant drag car.
Motorsportlady
16-05-07, 11:57 AM
for sure. the capri would make a brilliant drag car.
Erm.... I think a 'tad' heavy for a Drag car!
Erm.... I think a 'tad' heavy for a Drag car!
You calling edo fat?
Motorsportlady
16-05-07, 12:04 PM
You calling edo fat?
Do you think he is?
Actually I was more thinking of the inpenatrable construction Keith is building for a Cage....... I don't think you could loose enough weight to make up for that, except if you drove by remote control!
Do you think he is?
Actually I was more thinking of the inpenatrable construction Keith is building for a Cage....... I don't think you could loose enough weight to make up for that, except if you drove by remote control!
Or got a young child conceived from Phee and Norbie to drive
Eh...I might be a bit tubby...but geez 95kg just aint that much of a lard arse for someone of my errr, build.
Anyhoo...I'll be trying to get its weight down to the minimum of 1030kg...but I dont like my chances
I like the hardware spec main bolts :D
Nah looks ok. Maybe Ford should shout themselves a countersinking tool for the oil holes too..
How much? Is the deck semi finished or is that it?
How much?
Sif Edo would know or care. :p
Cal.
Mains bolts will go straight in the bin & be replaced with ARP studs, I think ford just supply stock type bolts coz they know everyone will just turf them anyway.
Won't coutersink the oil drains, I'll just drill them out about 3x as big & chamfer them.
Mains, decks & bores are all semi-finished - so I can machine them to whatever I feel is a good idea without running out of metal.
'tis a very nice block, but like any production part it will need some prep for competition duty.
Edo can tell you the price if he wants, no real secret, a bit cheaper than the equivalent dart block - but it came at a clearance price because it's no longer in production, bargain really.
TK
Cal, you have an unrealistic opinion of my wallet. $3400
Im looking forward to getting into building this bloody thing again...the fucking council wanted to know if my new garage was actually a separate dwelling...gebus, its big, but not that big.:)
Motorsportlady
17-05-07, 09:56 AM
Im looking forward to getting into building this bloody thing again...the fucking council wanted to know if my new garage was actually a separate dwelling...gebus, its big, but not that big.:)
Is that because you included in slab heating? :)
Council gave me shit about the shed I built at my last house, they said it was a commercial size & wasn't suitable for a residential area - I had to convince them I wasn't actually going to be running a buisness out of it before they gave the go ahead.
Councils are full of knobs.
TK
Is that because you included in slab heating? :)
lol, No...I didnt even have that on the plans!
The block looks good, but you probably could have picked up some copy on ebay and saved yourself a few $s
Cal, you have an unrealistic opinion of my wallet.
It's got nothing to do with your wallet. It's got everything to do with your care factor. :)
Cal.
HoonBoy
17-05-07, 10:58 AM
Council wanted me to give details on the waste, recycling, enviromental impact statement as well as parking, including dedicated disabled parking. It's an oversized single steel garage! After a couple of months of this shit I spoke to the Council general manager and had hand delivered approval the next day!
Oxy, I know...I bought the 289 off ebay & its heaps better than this one.
Cal, Oh...yep...I give no fark.
Hoonboy, Im not at that stage yet...nearly, but not yet.
Actually the timing might be perfect. If I get my permit I might get the builder to do it while Im away (riding my bike to Cooktown end of June)...then I get back from hols to my brand new shed.
HoonBoy
17-05-07, 01:27 PM
Getting the work done whilst you are away is the best idea, mine was built whilst I was working in Fiji :)
Erm.... I think a 'tad' heavy for a Drag car!
sorry - should have added the smart ass smiley :D
Getting the work done whilst you are away is the best idea, mine was built whilst I was working in Fiji :)
fucking horrible idea , what happens if they fuck it up , or put down a shit load of concrete.
A bit of pipe put in the concrete is the go for hidden electrical wiring as well :) but don't do what we did and forget to run the wiring through the pipe before you bury it like we did (aldi vacuum cleaner ftw , it survived a heap of water because we took about 18 months to get around to doing it).
My builder does on average about $10mill of work for me each year, he is well aware that my $10k shed is the most important job he will ever do for me:)
t01-100
30-05-07, 11:48 AM
Is that because you included in slab heating? :)
Now that is a brilliant idea!
Motorsportlady
30-05-07, 12:05 PM
I have an inclusions list that describes my dream shed!..... and heated flooring is one on the list!
Why would you need in slab heating in a shed in Brisbane? Winter to cold?
Motorsportlady
30-05-07, 12:23 PM
Why would you need in slab heating in a shed in Brisbane? Winter to cold?
If you've spent a fair bit of time restoring cars, constructing and maintaining rally,race and hillclimb cars, and spend time straight on the ground not up on a crawler you would know!:yup:
The concrete just leeches away any body heat you have!
t01-100
30-05-07, 12:56 PM
The concrete just leeches away any body heat you have!
Particularly in Hobart!
Motorsportlady
30-05-07, 01:00 PM
Particularly in Hobart!
:yup: Working on your car at the velladrome during the night on the timber surface in Launceston was 'ok 'during targa, but everywhere else my 'five layers' was certainly not sufficient covering!:D
I'm sure glad I live in Queensland!
t01-100
30-05-07, 01:08 PM
:yup: Working on your car at the velladrome during the night on the timber surface in Launceston was 'ok 'during targa, but everywhere else my 'five layers' was certainly not sufficient covering!:D
I always feel for those trying to work on their cars up on the banked asphalt area near the rear doors there... not that Edo has to worry about any of this, Targa will be for hovercars by then and old V8s will be static at the show and shine!
Motorsportlady
30-05-07, 01:18 PM
I always feel for those trying to work on their cars up on the banked asphalt area near the rear doors there... not that Edo has to worry about any of this, Targa will be for hovercars by then and old V8s will be static at the show and shine!
Yeah I agree I felt for them too! But it's amazing what adrenalin will do I spent two years mostly wet and cold as car had no roof, tried two different versions of wet weather gear, sailing then motorcycle.:eek: I guess at 200+ km/h it is a bit tough to keep the water out, turn the pages of the pace notes and have a go at the driver when he's not listening to you!! When you get back in for the evening/night no matter what your body tells you, you have to repair and prep vehicle for the next day so you just keep going until it's done!
fuck a heated slab sounds bloody wonderful.
Concrete has a bloody habit of being cold :( , can't stand creepers and shit either and always slide off the hessian bags.
Yeah, Its minus eleventy billion degreees here today...Im thinking seriously about this heated slab business.
Keith has been given a warning both in writing & by email that I'll be there in 3 weeks expecting to see some progress...he says he will make that happen.
TK is red hot on the engine & waiting for me to get some measurements for under bonnet clearance so we know what carb & manifold we can fit underneath.
Hopefully it will look like running sometime in 2008
Motorsportlady
30-05-07, 03:57 PM
Yeah, Its minus eleventy billion degreees here today...Im thinking seriously about this heated slab business.
Keith has been given a warning both in writing & by email that I'll be there in 3 weeks expecting to see some progress...he says he will make that happen.
TK is red hot on the engine & waiting for me to get some measurements for under bonnet clearance so we know what carb & manifold we can fit underneath.
Hopefully it will look like running sometime in 2008
Couldn't you loose the cost of the heated slab to one of your 'projects' with the same builder and treat the cost as a bonus?
Will be interesting to see what has progressed on car!:yup:
Believe me much of the shed cost will be err, lost in other things.
Im up there on 21st...& he knows Im coming. Ive asked him to do the following:
cage finished (bars to front towers, dash bars, FIA windscreen & door opening bars & the extra side intrusion x bar), the seat mounted (as far back as it can go which is where I had it mocked up) & mounts in place for the nav seat. I would also like the front x member reinforced (particularly where the rack mounts) & engine mounts modified & welded on. Obviously the engine should be as low & as far back as the sump & block allow without touching the firewall.
This way when Im there we can sort out an actual length for the steering column & the placement of the pedal box.
it might be a good time to get the diff started.
t01-100
30-05-07, 04:07 PM
Yeah, Its minus eleventy billion degreees here today...Im thinking seriously about this heated slab business.
Same, maybe a couple less degrees though, but I'm on leave and have got inspired after reading all this so decided to pull the RX7 apart ready for the cage... but I couldn't be arsed taking the car out to the warehouse and didn't need the hoise anyway so their are now about 200 bits of interior crap throw around the carport under the house... I've got five layers and a beanie on and the dog has a bunch of new Mazda shaped chew toys!
Ive inspired you to do something really really slowly...while keeping your gog happy. Thats awesome! My dog is always happy (thats how he was named Larry) but I reckon he will be pretty bloody cold about now.
Motorsportlady
30-05-07, 05:02 PM
My dog is always happy (thats how he was named Larry) but I reckon he will be pretty bloody cold about now.
Larry needs a Shed with a heated floor and a Dog Coat!:p
t01-100
30-05-07, 05:23 PM
Slowly!! Get stuffed!!
Today its gone from a fully trimmed road car to now looking like something an insurance company would write off!... the fact its taken me four months to get around to it is besides the point!!
MSL, he has a coat!
Stuart, the Capri went from running complete road car to bare shell in a day...about 18 months ago...since then nothing has happenned pretty much.
Guy, give up competing with Stuart on this one! He is Tasmanian, I have learnt that in Tassie, everyone knows everyone and will chip in to get a car built in 3 days. Oh, and in the time you have had the Capri, he has bought, built, run and sold 3 cars plus has the ability to make sure you never get your entry accepted in anything!! And I want to drive your Perana when done :)
Motorsportlady
31-05-07, 01:15 PM
Guy, give up competing with Stuart on this one! He is Tasmanian, I have learnt that in Tassie, everyone knows everyone and will chip in to get a car built in 3 days. Oh, and in the time you have had the Capri, he has bought, built, run and sold 3 cars plus has the ability to make sure you never get your entry accepted in anything!! And I want to drive your Perana when done :)
Are you coming along to Karts Tonight?
t01-100
31-05-07, 08:11 PM
This one will take a little longer as I want to try and do most things right the first time and that usually means more expense.
The GTR was good on a team work front though... from the time I decided to start on it to the time it did its first event was three weeks... but from memory it took about 18 months to sell though!
Going to come over for Buller this year, got a mate with a black Torana thats gonna have a crack!
MSL - No
t01 - no tyre rule at Buller, your mate should be fine to play up for the cameras.
Guy, give up competing with Stuart on this one! He is Tasmanian, I have learnt that in Tassie, everyone knows everyone and will chip in to get a car built in 3 days.
You've also got to take into the fact that tasmanians have twice as many heads working on the car.
(well the tasmanians without a scar on their shoulder)
t01-100
31-05-07, 09:28 PM
t99 - forgot about that, handy too, he has a habit of doing donuts... no less than 20 at the tt night stage!
ze - true, but that does make twice the mouths to talk crap and slow progress down too!
Guy, give up competing with Stuart on this one! He is Tasmanian, I have learnt that in Tassie, everyone knows everyone and will chip in to get a car built in 3 days. Oh, and in the time you have had the Capri, he has bought, built, run and sold 3 cars plus has the ability to make sure you never get your entry accepted in anything!! And I want to drive your Perana when done :)
Thats because they are all family down there...
Im still using the excuse that I moved interstate as a reason for my pathetic progress.
Sure, you can drive the pig when she's finished:)
Stuart, you mate needs help...which is obvious, there is unlikely to be much worse than an Irish Tasmanian is there?
t01 - I am telling you that next year, I want to see a mandatory donut cone added on the night stage. You could then cater to another demographic by alloting a separate trophy based on syle and smoke points.
Guy - isnt your Perana going to be running 15inch wheels, narrow 15 inch wheels? We could have the new smoke car here.
15x7...so probably 205 tyres...should smoke good.
Im not sure I have his knackers though...I mean, he regularly corrects oversteer with white posts & whenever he spins he never lifts off until he is back through the fence, up the bank & braking for the next corner.
The Pupat
01-06-07, 03:42 PM
MSL - No
Soft. You knew I'd chop you :)
Actually could have made for an interesting PFFB cup race... even if I would have won. :)
t01-100
01-06-07, 04:11 PM
t99 - We sort did on the night stage this year, we awarded a massive trophy to the most specie on stage (whoever made to biggest smoke) and called it the 'King of the Night Stage'. 24 Ford and Holden V8s went head to head and got the crowd in. PJ won it with twenty roundie-roundies... and you though I never listen to your suggestions!
edo - Yeah hes a pretty keen, he towed my old GTSt back from Symmons one time with his Clubsport, story goes he got involved with an other HSV that was giving him the shits, took the other guy around the outside at 180+ and apparently the trailer sat nice and flat!
I now know why Edo bought this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq1c3726leI
t01-100
06-07-07, 06:56 PM
naturally, I've always thought of edo as a hip cat after all
I now know why Edo bought this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq1c3726leI
So thats what Edo looks like, this race car business is all a front then, he just wants to pose and pull the women :yup:
Yes. Youre all right.
Im getting that hair.
So.... supposedly you should have a shed and a car by now.
Supposedly being the operative word. I got my Planning permit last week, work on the shed starts this week. The car, I suspect, hasnt progressed at all since the pics posted above that I took in Sept, I think. Im kinda hoping that come Sept/Oct I'll have it back...but I just keep having to move these deadlines...
Good old councils and planning permits eh.
Yep they are tops...no hip cats there at all
t01-100
30-09-07, 01:42 AM
i assume my rx7 and garage are travelling at a similar pace to the capri etc?
...then again perhaps not - i have a garage door, just no walls
Motorsportlady
01-10-07, 07:19 AM
I heard on the weekend that Richard Galley ex QLD Rally Driver,(now residing in Bathurst) is building one of these Cars as well!
t01-100
01-10-07, 08:52 AM
Ford Escort driver Nick Ellis is also running one in Targa '08.
Euroboost
20-10-07, 11:09 AM
I now know why Edo bought this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq1c3726leI
Great, that just scared the crap out of my 9 month old daughter!
OMFG progress!!!!
Cage is nearly finished now
My shed is all but finished too...& the Capri will be in it by xmas...with the cage, seat & pedal mounts. Strengthened engine mounts & suspension pickups & the really trick diff.
I'll only have shitpiles of stuff to do then!
looks fucking fantastic!!!
Im scared of trees getting in.
The Pupat
08-11-07, 11:49 AM
I'd forgotten this thing existed.
t01-100
08-11-07, 11:51 AM
must be pics of someone elses car... its only been two years
ps. thanks for lunch last week
Me too!
Im convinced it will be awesome eventually:)
must be pics of someone elses car... its only been two years
ps. thanks for lunch last week
I did actually remind Keith that if it was still there in March he would have had it for 3 years...
Anytime! Hope the weekend went well
The Pupat
08-11-07, 11:53 AM
You in Brisbane to check up on it?
Yeah, was in deadcliff tuesday am, before getting well pissy at a cup day thing...am still here till tomorrow night. Only thing is I am actually having to work which sucks
I know, its a cunt. Dont worry, wont be working too hard when Im in Adelaide the week after next:)
work = balls.
You need a new job if yours involves men
How much did you pay for the cage?
Cal.
The Pupat
08-11-07, 03:06 PM
Yeah, was in deadcliff tuesday am, before getting well pissy at a cup day thing...am still here till tomorrow night. Only thing is I am actually having to work which sucks
Jeez I'd never guess you'd get well pissy on work time. :)
The Pupat
08-11-07, 03:17 PM
Doing anything tonight?
t01-100
08-11-07, 09:22 PM
weekend was farking wet eh.
arrived at the start line to find that clearly no one gives a shit about speed limits for recce.
arrived at the villa to find pj had taken a cook along to buller so i turned up at around dinner time to steak, veggies and chocie pudding... session in the bar that night and woke up to bacon and eggs in the morning!
t01-100
08-11-07, 09:26 PM
ps. pj ended up recording the second fastest classic time the course has seen when the weather cleared on monday... wayne park (in the gt40) was 6 seconds quicker in the dry of '05 than pj in the damp and caught behind a stinkin rx2 for 500m... i'm told the incar needs some bleeping added!
I saw your block tonight.
I wrote "Edo is Gay" in the dusty bits.
Motorsportlady
09-11-07, 07:52 AM
How much did you pay for the cage?
Cal.
:rotflol:
How long is a piece of string................Keith builds great cages.
Keith always gives you an estimation........but that is all it is.....the more time he spends the greater the cost!
edo's total cost will be interesting to read!
Will the cage meet ANDRA specs?
Cal, It will be somewhere around $6-7k
Stuart, sounds like a top weekend despite the weather...I dont reckon I'll be going as fast as your mate though.
Joshy, I is working...home tonight
Clive, you suck...I havent seen my block...
:rotflol:
How long is a piece of string................Keith builds great cages.
Welds look like they were done by a one armed leper in Uzbekistan. :D
Cal.
t01-100
09-11-07, 09:14 AM
me either... he should be committed
Motorsportlady
09-11-07, 09:23 AM
I have to admit I have seen better welding from him, but he's working a little incapacitated, I saw where he ground off suspected incorrect penetration to find a couple of holes. :eek:
The cages he built for me were really neat. (maybe that's because I was a little pedantic, and was out there every night during construction?):)
I have to admit I have seen better welding from him
Maybe he is rushing too much to get the job done. Perhaps Edo needs to leave it there for another 3 years
Motorsportlady
09-11-07, 10:24 AM
Maybe he is rushing too much to get the job done. Perhaps Edo needs to leave it there for another 3 years
:yup:........................ Actually No!:D.....I think it's a classic case, because Keith has had it so long it's the last job he thinks about. Because there's always someone else who complains more about their job(squeeky wheel theory), very little actually happens until edo phone's and asks how it's going or says he's coming to see it maybe? That's when Keith rushes to get 'something' done!
Being that this things looks like it might be finished for Targa in 2048 I think Edo needs to buy an MX5 and come racing at Bathurst at Easter. :yup:
Cal.
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