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Uncle Henry
29-11-06, 09:28 PM
The car: 1986 Ford Sierra RS Cosworth (not an RS500 as I'm not that rich and the 500's are worth too much to fuck about with much).

Brief spec:

2.0 16 valve turbo Cosworth motor.
Low compression (7.4:1)
wire ringed and stress relieved block
lightened/balanced
ported/polished head
mild cams
vernier cam pulleys
T35 turbo running a mild 30psi
remote oil filter with additional oil cooler
water injection
Battery relocated to boot and custom alloy tanks in its place
Bosch 044 fuel pump
RS500 intercooler
massive alloy radiator
standard interior with defi gauges
AP Racing 330mm 6 pots on the front (modified to go under wheels)
17" Hockenheim wheels (modified to go over brakes!)
Braided hoses
Koni adjustable shocks
Polybushed all round
and a few polished bits.

Was running almost 400bhp and 400 lb/ft (flywheel figures as thats how its done in UK) but caught fire due to a broken fuel fitting.
Rebuild in progress and converting to Autronic at the same time.

and a few pics:

In the UK before I shipped it over:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/rsunclehenry/3%20door/cosfront.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/rsunclehenry/3%20door/DSCF0583.jpg



Engine (before the fire):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/rsunclehenry/3%20door/cosbay.jpg


After the fire :( :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/rsunclehenry/3%20door/overallpic.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/rsunclehenry/3%20door/plenum.jpg


New loom:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/rsunclehenry/3%20door/DSCF2825.jpg

Interior :eek: :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/rsunclehenry/3%20door/DSCF2828.jpg


A few bits cleaned and ready to refit:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/rsunclehenry/3%20door/DSCF2823.jpg


The car has done bugger all km's since being in the country as compliance took a long time and then the bitch caught fire, but hopefully it'll be finished soon and back on the road :yup:

Zac
29-11-06, 09:35 PM
That's a tough looking thing :yep:

2ofdem
29-11-06, 09:35 PM
Very nice ive always wanted one of these things would be quite rapid with 400hp id imagine.

RSWEPN
29-11-06, 09:40 PM
Car looks awesome mate, i cant wait to put a motor like that in my escort.

Engine bay looks awesome...well did lol :D

If you ever have trouble sourcing parts or anything try www.cosworthaustralia.com.au

XAC15T
30-11-06, 07:22 AM
Very, very envious :yup:

out_in_front
30-11-06, 08:28 AM
Love those escorts

If you dont mind me asking - how much did it cost to get in here / complianced etc?

itsnotagsr
30-11-06, 09:59 AM
Love those escorts

If you dont mind me asking - how much did it cost to get in here / complianced etc?
Sierra?

Great car :D

out_in_front
30-11-06, 12:06 PM
My Bad - what was I thinking???? (was I thinking - probably not, RSPEWN mentioned escort, any excuse will do I suppose)

Uncle Henry
30-11-06, 04:47 PM
I wouldn't mind if it was an Escort Cossie, but it was imported via the 15 year old rule and the Escorts aint 15 yrs old:(

The actual compliancing part would normally cost $2000 - $3000 depending on what spec the cossie is and what has to be changed - obviously cheaper if you source all your own parts and do all the work yourself.

Shipping would be around $2500 (I put mine in a 20ft container with all my belongings when I emigrated a couple of yrs back)

The import duty and GST is fucking ridiculous though (as it would be for any import) They rape you for import duty, stamp duty, GST, GST on the cost of shipping (which you already paid 17.5%VAT on in England). You dont sit down for a while after paying that lot! However as its an unusual car you can get away with declaring a very low customs value on it! :)

Is it worth it? Fuck yeah! if nothing else just for the look on peoples faces as it goes past. Even when it was on a tow truck from the shipping depot to the engineers, people were staring at it and another truckie was edging as far forward in traffic to get a look inside it.
I also wont lose money on it even if I sell it tomorrow. A car of this spec would cost under $25000 to buy in the UK. Mines insured for $40k but would probably sell for a bit less.

Parts are easy to find in the UK and plenty of comapnies will ship them here very economically and quickly.

GTREA
30-11-06, 06:16 PM
I was working and Living in the UK in 1993 -1994 I was so close to bringing on of these back, at the time they could be had for 5000 - 6000 quid, the Saphire's 4000 quid.
But as you say it was finally the Import taxes etc that made me Poo Poo the idea :(
Nice car though, is great to see something different to all the Jap stuff you generally see here...

ScortFreak
30-11-06, 10:30 PM
... wanna swap engines? ;)

MR 1JZ
03-12-06, 10:47 AM
thats fair sweet, I went for a spin in one of these a couple of years ago and that was just a stocker and it was a load of fun!

this one is 4wd yeah?

Chad
03-12-06, 11:10 AM
Very, very envious :yup:

Me too.

Uncle Henry
03-12-06, 03:12 PM
thats fair sweet, I went for a spin in one of these a couple of years ago and that was just a stocker and it was a load of fun!

this one is 4wd yeah?


Nope! RWD ftw :yup: Makes it more interesting when it comes on boost :w:

It is possible to convert them to 4wd using the later Sapphire 4x4 gearbox/front struts etc pretty easily. However the 4wd gearbox tend to let go at around 400bhp if given some stick.

Billzilla
03-12-06, 03:14 PM
Nope! RWD ftw :yup: Makes it more interesting when it comes on boost :w:

It is possible to convert them to 4wd using the later Sapphire 4x4 gearbox/front struts etc pretty easily. However the 4wd gearbox tend to let go at around 400bhp if given some stick.


Around 360 ft-lbs, FWIW.
HP means little when taking about gearboxes.

TJ
03-12-06, 03:16 PM
Ive always loved the cosworths of this era.

Lotto car would be a RS500, and while this isnt one, it seems to have a fair bit of grunt so your excused :D

Michael
03-12-06, 03:37 PM
nice one geeza init

TonyJZX
04-12-06, 09:09 AM
this needs a phootshoot with a 32 gt-r and a VN commodore grp A spec. and an e30 m3

is that reliving the past or what?

Motorsportlady
04-12-06, 10:09 AM
this needs a phootshoot with a 32 gt-r and a VN commodore grp A spec. and an e30 m3

is that reliving the past or what?


Those were the days of Real Group A Racing!

floody
04-12-06, 10:18 AM
I would really, really like to own one of those one day. And yeah, give no fark for 500ness if its quick. Which I gather yours certainly would be.
Sounds like it would certainly be "interesting" once the full force of that 35psi hits?

I think one would look excellent in the shed next to the HR31.

Uncle Henry
05-12-06, 05:55 PM
Around 360 ft-lbs, FWIW.
HP means little when taking about gearboxes.


Very true Bill. Its just that in the tried and tested routes of Cossie tuning (and theres now 20 years of people extracting max power possible from the trusty old YBB lump!) everyone knows that HP at the flywheel is always almost equal to torque (ft-lbs)

eg: as standard they came out with 204bhp and 203 ft-lbs.
Mine was last dyno'd a few yrs back at 388bhp and 395 lbft (running slightly lower boost and smaller injectors). The 400/400 conversion is a very popular one on these engines.
This ratio is kept all the way to 450-500bhp where I believe the torque will fall behind a bit. (this is based on the traditional tuning methods but I'm sure there are plenty of examples around now that dont follow this rule of thumb).

Its generally accepted that a 4x4 box will survive pretty well at and above 400bhp but they dont like to be launched too hard over 400bhp/lbft.


Not bad for an engine that uses the same block as used in the Ford Transit of the time.

A bit more mindless info for you:

With the Sierra's huge whale tail this car could not be described as a street sleeper by any stretch of the imagination. Much design had gone into this rear fin to produce a large down force. The down force was measured at 164 Nm (124 mph wind tunnel test) compared with the standard 3 door Sierra's of 513 Nm UPLIFT!

Billzilla
05-12-06, 05:58 PM
Its generally accepted that a 4x4 box will survive pretty well at and above 400bhp but they dont like to be launched too hard over 400bhp/lbft.

Ta for that - That's the gearbox I have for my rally car. I might supercharge the engine if they can take that much torque in that case ....

Uncle Henry
05-12-06, 06:02 PM
Ta for that - That's the gearbox I have for my rally car. I might supercharge the engine if they can take that much torque in that case ....


400 is the figure most people talk about, but I guess it depends how hard you are gonna launch it. Best bet is to trot over to passionford.com and have a look at what the 4x4 owners who have shredded them have been running and how they were driving them.

Uncle Henry
16-01-08, 07:47 PM
Bit of an update for ya's.....


Spent the last 2 days on the dyno, and she's running very well.

After sorting out a couple of minor issues - (fuel pressure and re-attaching the actuator to the turbo after it tore the bolts out under boost) we started mapping it.

It's still not holding boost though, the wastegate is opening at 1.6 bar and its only able to hold 1.5 bar. So I have to source a stronger actuator and make sure there are no boost leaks before we start looking for more power.:)

Still, it's been off the road for 23 months now :mad: so it feels great to actually be able to drive it again! I also washed about an inch of dust off it as it hasn't been washed in 2 yrs. :knock:

Might try and take her to Small Ford Sunday in a couple of weeks, if I get a few bits n pieces finished off.

Teamgemini
16-01-08, 08:09 PM
That thing is tops mate. Looks brilliant.

On another note I actually saw for the first time today a Red RS Escort Cosworth thing going up Old windsor Rd in Sydney on a car trailer. Still had the UK plates on it too. Will try to upload a few dodgy camera phone shots tomorrow. This was quite possibly the best looking car I have seen in the flesh for a long time.

Would anyone know what something like that would be worth??

|2aebird
16-01-08, 08:51 PM
Fantastic car mate, absolutely love these things, hopefully will own one in my lifetime but im elbow deep in a conversion at the moment so it will be a while yet.

|2aebird

Uncle Henry
16-01-08, 09:21 PM
That thing is tops mate. Looks brilliant.

On another note I actually saw for the first time today a Red RS Escort Cosworth thing going up Old windsor Rd in Sydney on a car trailer. Still had the UK plates on it too. Will try to upload a few dodgy camera phone shots tomorrow. This was quite possibly the best looking car I have seen in the flesh for a long time.

Would anyone know what something like that would be worth??


Not necessarily what they are worth, but what people are asking for them:

http://www.chalker.com.au/For%20Sale.htm

millsi
16-01-08, 10:17 PM
thats a nice rig!
nojapdriftshitftw

OKE020
17-01-08, 06:53 AM
Awesome car mate, i have long dreamed of owning one of those.

RSWEPN
17-01-08, 09:52 AM
nice stuff mate, who's tuning it for ya ??

Euroboost
17-01-08, 10:04 AM
Love the cossie. There used to be a Sierra Cosworth and a couple of Escort Cosworths here in Canberra. I think the Sierra was sold interstate and at least one Escort still is still around. Awesome cars. I remember hearing a story that when Ford Rallysport was testing a Group A 3 dr 4x4 prototype the rear wing was damaged and fell off. Apparently the car then decided to get VERY light in the rear and went off in a big way. I've heard the same thing about the Escorts how the last of them with the wing delete option had to be detuned with a smaller turbo in effort to keep the under the point were they would try and take off.

Uncle Henry
17-01-08, 10:10 AM
It's being tuned by Technik Tuning/ Auto Racing Technik

Uncle Henry
17-01-08, 10:13 AM
I think the smaller turbo and different management system were probably more to do with emissions and all that other environmental bullshit that put an end to all the decent cars of that era.

Bermo
17-01-08, 03:02 PM
Top Cossie!

What did it pull so far on the dyno?

12arx3
17-01-08, 06:40 PM
I think the smaller turbo and different management system were probably more to do with emissions and all that other environmental bullshit that put an end to all the decent cars of that era.


I thought the smaller turbo on escort cosworths was for better driveability as a road car, as the original turbo was bigger for homologation purposes.

Nice Sierra too btw, I've always fancied a sapphire myself. Pity about the engine fire, will be good to see some pics once it's restored to its former glory.

Uncle Henry
17-01-08, 08:59 PM
Top Cossie!

What did it pull so far on the dyno?

It made about 183kw / 470nm at the wheels with 1.5 bar boost, but we've got about .5 bar to go and more ignition timing, as well as play with the cam timing.
The last dyno chart I have is from a few years back and it made approx 250kw atw. The dyno its being tuned on is fairly conservative with its figures and ambient temp was about 33 deg by the dyno. It will be tuned fairly conservatively as I cant afford to rebuild it if it goes bang and its mainly a street car ,so I'd like to see around 230+kw atw.