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tortfeaser
18-04-07, 03:04 PM
I though I should stick my car up here mainly as a bit of a project log. It’s a 1985 Holden JD Camira in PRC rally car trim. Sounds an odd choice for a rally car, but if you consider that the GM J series cars were rallied pretty successfully in Group A, especially as the Mk II Astra in the UK, it starts to make more sense. The concept is one of a lot of good mechanical bits available in a cheap shell. A lot of the stuff that was a problem in the road car is either replaced or modified in the rally car and all the good stuff remains – it handles well when setup right, is pretty light and torquey.

The car was one of three built around the same time, with the three builders sharing tips on design and setup. I think this is the last one of the three still competing. On the build – the cage was done by Norm Singleton in Qld, is 4130 CroMo, and seems to have stood up to two rolls really well. The shell hasn’t had a lot of work done, except some bracing between the front inner guards and firewall, around the rails, strut tops, and seat and belt mounts. A 10mm alloy sump guard and fibreglass underbody and tank protection help with the rocks.

The interior has the usually rally bits, terratrip, intercom, vid camera, extinguishers, oil pressure and temp, coolant temp and volts gauges. OBX seats (cheap, comfy and good) and 3” 5 point harnesses. Two roof vents are the biggest performance enhancer on a hot day.

Engine is the Family II 8v 2l motor, with forged pistons, Bill Blydenstein head, dunno what sort of cam, 4-1 extractors and throttle bodies from a Suzuki GSXR1000. Management is by Megasquirt running off the factory dizzy and sparking a single coil. When the motor is refreshed I’ll get rid of the dizzy and go to waste spark coils, change to 4-2-1 extractors, flow the head to see what’s what, reduce cam duration and increase lift (need more torque at less revs). I definitely need an airbox with a plenum instead of the current individual foam filters. Currently makes 93kW ATW and revs to 7600 rpm, though I usually change by 7k rpm. Cooling is by factory radiator with 87degC thermostat (that took some fitting), with oil cooler plumbed in with a sandwich plate. Coolant temps don’t get higher than 95degC. Oil temp now around 105decC instead of the 130degC previously.

Gearbox is Quaife F20 straight cut close ratio synchro internals in the F16 case – 2.54:1 1st, 1.04:1 5th, Quaife 4.5:1 Torsen diff. Running Redline lightweight shockproof though I don’t know why. At least leaks are easy to see. I’m going to have to put some synchros in it soon, but new parts are NLA from Holden, so I don’t know what I’m going to do.

Brakes are VP Commodore front and rears, 290mm front callipers, DS2500 pads on the front and Bendix Ultimates on the rear. There’s still too much rear bias despite a proportioning valve and those rear pads. I need to fit a bias adjustable pedal box with separate master cylinders.

Front CVs and bearings get replaced every few events. I’ve had problems with the CVs exploding when I stupidly drop the hammer on full lock. I need to fit some sort of lock stops.

Suspension is 55mm non canister, non adjustable Proflex (or whatever Murray Coote calls what he makes), in the standard struts with adjustable spring platforms. Steering arms have been shortened, and I’m running the factory power steering. Front and rear anti roll bars are standard, though I’m thinking of removing the rear one. Lower control arms have inboard rose joints to make camber and caster adjustable, though its not easy. Rose joints also on steering tie rods. I’d like to use the standard arms boxed in and have adjustable strut tops – would make changes and replacement easy but I’d need to go to smaller diameter springs and find some suitable tops. I struggle with oversteer and the car is very twitchy at speed – rear toe out is about 1mm and I can’t get rid of it easily (its not adjustable from the factory). I need to fix this as the first priority.

Tyres are black, round, and whatever I can get in good nick. Its getting harder to find good condition 195mm rally tyres without buying brand new, so that’s a cost that will increase soon.

When I bought it it looked like this:

http://users.tpg.com.au/goodship/Camira.jpg

Then I did this in my first competitive outing, a stupid mistake cutting a corner too deeply while still on the brakes:

http://users.tpg.com.au/goodship/100_1406.jpg

So I fixed it and did a couple of events:

http://users.tpg.com.au/goodship/tortcamira.jpg

http://users.tpg.com.au/goodship/foto0128sm.jpg

Before doing this on a called SO over crest which was really a R5 (pulled 4th, ended up in a gutter on the outside which broke a tie rod end spitting me across the road and upside down. Went through the flying finish on the lid, but 50s faster than the first run through that stage):

http://www.bmsc.com.au/gallery/data/500/medium/16-1.jpg

So now I’m fixing it again.

http://users.tpg.com.au/goodship/five.jpg

Grunt
18-04-07, 04:09 PM
yikes for that on roof shot! good to see you drive it and it doesnt just sit on the trailer like my last car

sounds like a fun little beast. what are the rims you are running on the rear?

edo
18-04-07, 04:13 PM
Cool...I reckon that would be a great fun car...& really you couldnt find cheaper panels!

tortfeaser
18-04-07, 04:39 PM
Thanks for the positive views rather than the usual WTF its a POS Camira.

sounds like a fun little beast. what are the rims you are running on the rear?It sure is fun, makes a great din, but is a handful when the going gets quick. The really solid looking rims are from the 16v Calibra. They're heavy, but there's not a lot of choice in factory 15" 4x100PCD rims. They don't last long, so going aftermarket isn't so economical.

Cool...I reckon that would be a great fun car...& really you couldnt find cheaper panels!Both of the spare cars I bought for the panels cost me less than $150 and I get $50 for the scrap shell. And even then I get some driveshafts, lower control arms and with the latest one a PS pump and rack. If I can keep the repair costs down its cheap rallying (until I break the gearbox, then I'm in a world of hurt).

edo
18-04-07, 04:49 PM
Yes, but it looks like a well prepared, well thought out shitbox camira rally car & really as you say, the dodgy camira bits are pretty much gone. There was never anything wrong with their engines, just that they lacked the geewizzardry of some jap stuff.
I reckon youve thought outside the square & are much smarter for it.

Swill
18-04-07, 08:42 PM
Thats me in the blue!

Apart from the driver, the handlings just not quite there, could be an interesting thing if it every does handle, looks good on radio

dhs
18-04-07, 08:51 PM
love your work

DATZED
18-04-07, 11:06 PM
Nice effort on the car, would be a blast in the forest I reckon.

The gearbox/diff would have cost a pretty penny.
Can you explain further re your comments on the redline LS oil?

tortfeaser
18-04-07, 11:40 PM
I stuck the Redline in there 'cos that was the done thing at the time, had a good rep in rallying circles, not for any real good reason. I still have no solid info about what is a good gear oil and what isn't. I suspect, given that it gets changed every two events, that it doesn't really matter all that much. As for the visibility thing, its bright blue. Makes it real easy to spot leaks out the output shafts (the motor is a bit of a leaky pig, getting the sump to seal with the factory windage tray arrangement is a challenge). Looks like smurf blood.

Glen
19-04-07, 10:58 AM
I almost bought a Camira like that from Rob Browning in Brisbane in the mid 90s. I took it for a run up to Beerburrum and had a play around on a few of the forestry roads. It was a pretty nice thing and the the Quaife box was very good. Rod's car needed a different diff ratio though as 1st gear was very tall. If I recall correctly it ran out to over 70km/h in 1st.

tortfeaser
19-04-07, 12:35 PM
Maybe this was the same car Glen. Before I had it, Mark Modejonggen owned it. Yeah, 1st is tall. Its a pig in traffic with its unsprung clutch centre, and getting it on a trailer is a nightmare. I don't get it into 5th that often, and only once topped out in 5th. Thus the need for more torque down low. A new ratio means a new layshaft as well as the crownwheel (UKP500), but a 4.85:1 would help. 5.18:1 would mean top speed is 159km/h.

From the Quaife calculator:

Gearbox:- Marc's Camira with Quaife F20 set in F16 case
Tyre:- Dunlop DZ86R 195/65R15 (648mm dia)
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Top Gear gives 26.103 KPH/1000 RPM and a top speed of 182.718 KPH at 7000 RPM

Engine speeds in top gear:-
40 KPH = 1532 RPM 50 KPH = 1916 KPM 60 KPH = 2299 RPM 80 KPH = 3065 RPM
100 KPH = 3831 RPM 110 KPH = 4214 RPM 130 KPH = 4980 RPM 160 KPH = 6130 RPM

Top Speed in 1 gear = 74.814 KPH
And changes into 2 gear at 4850 RPM dropping 2150 RPM
Top Speed in 2 gear = 107.970 KPH
And changes into 3 gear at 5648 RPM dropping 1352 RPM
Top Speed in 3 gear = 133.822 KPH
And changes into 4 gear at 5866 RPM dropping 1134 RPM
Top Speed in 4 gear = 159.686 KPH
And changes into 5 gear at 6118 RPM dropping 882 RPM
Top Speed in 5 gear = 182.718 KPH

dynomatt
19-04-07, 01:11 PM
Before I had it, Mark Modejonggen owned it.

Cough...:huh:

XAC15T
19-04-07, 01:44 PM
Thats probably the most modified 20LE I have ever seen! Well done :)

fro
19-04-07, 07:27 PM
I was in the silly seat for Marc when he binned it the first time (second pic, when it's all maroon and bent). It's a good thing, what with the Proflex, gearbox and powah. FWD is dirt and wrong, but Marc likes it, so that's all that matters.

I plan on navigating for him again sometime in the future, but will carry a pointy, jabby object so that when I give him the "Whoa up Tiges", the fucker pays attention.

dynomatt
20-04-07, 08:50 AM
One of these perhaps?

http://jwatson.kol.co.nz/Taser.jpg

Asteroid
28-04-07, 10:09 PM
Great car. I love it!