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adamRSLC
20-12-07, 03:53 PM
Since ive been on this forum for a while now its about time i posted up pics of the mighty non swedish VL . I bought it as a completely std VL exec 5ltr auto and over the last 7 years have been hitting all of the vic tracks and its now at the point where its not really a street car ( its still rego'd) and is driven only to the track and back . Its always been a budget track car but over the last year its had a few upgrades and times are now a bit quicker than when i started , sandown and winton are now 8 secs a lap quicker!! .
Pic as i bought it for 3k
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~acaddeo/mypic53.JPG
First mods included a 5 speed supra conversion using a VC V8 pedal box and a little massaging of the firewall ( its now on its 4th supra 5sp) , 2nd hand pedders shocks/springs , HDT extractors ( to suit a manual ) , sway bar upgrade and a 3.45 ratio LSD and quick spin on the dyno pumped a healthy 93rwkw :). Also upgraded the brakes to twin spot corvette calipers and 330mm rotors .
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~acaddeo/mypic9.jpg
The car stayed like this for a couple of years as i just waited for the engine to die , little upgrades included better off set 16's ( always running on R888's) HDT cold air crap , strut brace etc.
Next was the engine rebuild :)
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~acaddeo/mypic54.JPG
Full rebuild with the usual reliability add ons
Ported VL heads , crane rollers , crane solid 272 cam , smoothed valley , performer manifold , holley 650dp , bigger extractors/zorst , acl's new oil pump etc. Made a solid 210 rwkw.
That one lasted a year before oil starvation at PI due to incorrect sump :( , it was rebuilt and lasted 3 events before spinning a bearing . This is where TK and PF came to the rescue and advised on bearing clearences , drain backs , high volume oil pump etc . Ive learnt a heap about making a 304 live now even though its not a healthy engine atm it will get me untill mid year i hope when i do another full rebuild but this time its getting shipped to adelaide to knights race engines ( hi Tony :) ) where hes already adviced to throw away the VL heads , get a torker manifold( check) and let him do the rest .
Pics in action
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output
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ive got more pics of fuel system , shocks and other stuff ill add later
adam
carcrazy
20-12-07, 10:32 PM
Geee i bet thats fun to drive, by the pic i see you've discovered light arse lsd vl handling. Fun hey ;) Ive got a turbo vl and man it does that easy.
adamRSLC
06-01-08, 01:03 PM
Ive recently overhauled the entire fuel system from boot to engine having ditched the black carter pump and std fuel lines and installing a boot mounted surge tank to a barry grany pump with -8 lines to the carby and -10 returns to the tank .
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I was able to install the new fuel log and return reg as one between carby and manifold
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Also at the end of last year fitted bilsteins front and rear , using an idea HSVSUX emailed me firstly for the rear coilovers and then getting quadrant to make the fronts.
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In action at winton
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Euroboost
06-01-08, 01:53 PM
Looks very tidy. Looks like a BT1(police) pack, unless the 1" master cylinder was standard on VL 5.0 retail cars.
Well done Adam looks like a very neat car. It looks like you have some fun with the other Commodores at the wrx sprints.
Now I just have to finish my own Vh race car.
adamRSLC
08-01-08, 12:30 PM
Thanks DJ , the cars mostly finished and just maintenece and little things to go . You building a proper "race" VH or just club stuff.
adam
Video of a good friend and myself at sandown last year .
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=2gfPIfDLru4
tinkerbell
08-01-08, 12:32 PM
nice and clean, :thumbsup:
Im building it to improved production specs but it will be a club car for a while until I get the skills and money up to race.
adamRSLC
15-07-08, 08:09 PM
Few more mods in the works , have removed and sold most of the driveline and purchased some 2nd hand hotness .
Enter ex VX LS1 and six speed . Power steer / aircon removed . It was purchased without manifold / injection / loom .
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Fitting one of these
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Dale from CHE has supplied me with an ignition only loom which should arrive anyday now :) .
T56 is a big gearbox especially compared to the out going W57 supra box .
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Supra weighed 48 kg's and T56 72 kg's but the flywheel used in the supra was the std holden 308 one and wieghed 15kg! . LS1 is far lighter so maybe only a 15kg difference at the end .
Next is sump / new clutch / starter conversion and extractors .
adam
Gammaboy
15-07-08, 09:39 PM
Supra weighed 48 kg's and T56 72 kg's but the flywheel used in the supra was the std holden 308 one and wieghed 15kg!
I weighed my Top Loader the other week - 71kg with iron bellhousing and crossmember... Suprised the T56 is about the same alloy case and all.
Nice new purchase mate. How long before its in and running?
excellent stuff! how are you going to go with the starter and the rack?
adamRSLC
16-07-08, 01:59 PM
Hey jim , starter isnt a problem clearing a manual rack there is a little room to move . No space at all to run the extractors though :( , i thought you could sneak them between the steering shaft and chassis rail , but no way ( maybe one 2 inch pipe if that) so starter has to be moved for extractor clearence . Going to purchase the mal wood kit for $800 ish .
Datzed , still a few months untill skids . Sorting out engine mounts atm , cross member mounts look easy as its nearly lined up already . Then just have to hand over some folding stuff to finish .
adam
Supercrown
16-07-08, 02:06 PM
Fucken top set of wheels dude.
Simple, thorough and effective.
Sean:)
flopper
17-07-08, 10:52 AM
I agree with Supercrown, nice, clean and looks like a heap of fun. It looks like it will be even better in the coming months too
are you going to run a 4 barrel style throttle body or change it all over to a carb?
RACEFPV
17-07-08, 11:50 AM
looks great, good see 8's set up for circuit fun
out_in_front
17-07-08, 12:20 PM
Looking good mate!
Good to see something different with the Carb LS1 -
Also good to see a VL that is getting used for a purpose rather than just bling and chromies and all the usual shit people put on them.
adamRSLC
17-07-08, 12:56 PM
Flopper , its going to carby to start off with as i have a 650dp i can start of with with and see how it goes . It really would like a HP holley 750 but depends on how it runs with carby to start of with , if its a real shitta ill fit a similiar set up too uncles project tonner which is the 4 barrel style throttle body if it runs fine ill go the HP holley .
adam
Looking great Adam keep up the good work. Those other Commodores in your videos are going to have to play catchup.
Damian.
adamRSLC
23-08-08, 05:32 PM
Spent some time dummying up the engine to just see what fits and what doesnt , its actually not a bad fit . The sway bar , crossmember and steering rack all clear with some room to move but not much though about 2cm either way .
engine bay pics
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The plan is to sit the engine as close to the firwall as possible , i can chop out a little of the crossmember if required to gain maybe 2cm .
Engine mounts will be started tommorrow , it doesnt look to difficult but will be time consuming . Im just going to tack them up and get budge to weld / fold something up for me , he will make a template im hoping so we can make more if their is a demand as their is no kit for the VL --- > ls1 atm .
Dale from Castle Hill Exhaust modified the loom to ignition only , turned off all the safety's and supplied it all tagged and ready to go . Its a great job and i will highly recommend his services as everyone who's seen the loom has been impressed .
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He also supplied the rip shifter ( i think of the 9 sec monster! ) and mentioned by reversing the "stick" it will put it in the ball park for the VL body . It required a little welding to turn around but is very easy . Dale even offered to modify it if i couldnt do it ! .
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Ive got a starter conversion kit from Mal Wood on the way , the standard LS1 starter will clear however their isnt any room to run the extractors and its superclose to the rack anyway .
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After looking at a range of clutches and being a little shocked at the prices ( upto $1700 for a single plate kit ) i figured due to my car being 400 odd kg's lighter than a VE and not doing burnouts a std holden clutch kit should be fine ( im running the std cam for a while) , its was cheap , has everything i need and if i cant hold on its no major loss .
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Next is engine and gearbox mounts , modifications to the trans tunnel to fit the T56 which has proven to be a bit of a headache and the usual conversion problems that pop up .
adam
10sec_rx7
01-09-08, 12:11 PM
nice stuff dude :)
looks tops!!
fark there really is no room for the zorst :( pics of the starter kit when it arrives?
What wheels are you running BTW?
out_in_front
01-09-08, 02:40 PM
Could you have cut the guards and put the exhaust through them? or is that not allowed in circuit racing? Probably would have cost more to do properly anyway though.
adamRSLC
01-09-08, 06:30 PM
Starter conversion has arrived , photo's taken . I went the mal wood version , its not really much in the kit . Gear reduction starter with brackets to suit , laser cut 6 mm steel plate and longer bolts and dowells . As with everything "clearencing" is required but i was surprised that the bell housing needs to be cut a fair bit as their is really no room . When i mean cut i mean that the starter gear will be visable from out side the box , i might be able to squeeze it in but we are talking under a mm of clearence.
As for exhaust , no chance on the VL body ( goes for VN too jim ) . I did see a VS track car on the weekend who left the starter in the factory position and squeezed some 4-2-1's in what ever gap was left , it was a great job but he made the pipes himself and spent about 2 weeks on the drivers side .
Out in front , its the rail that needs to be moved about an inch for enough room , cant really go through the guards as its not practical.
Jim wheels are now ROH 17 x 8's with a +45 off set , not light but compared to HSV stuff about 4 kg's a rim less. If you stick to 16's go the original walky's as the very light and clear the 330mm rotors and 2 pot calipers.
ps . Box is in , engine mounts complete and ive got some handy tricks and tips to pass on . Makes mounting the engine way to easy and gearbox fitting with little drama's :)
adam
adamRSLC
05-09-08, 04:46 PM
Managed to spend some time on it over the last couple of days and have knocked up and modified the engine and gearbox mounts , clearences are tight and after speaking to mal wood auto driveline angles are critical if you want the extension housing seal to not chew up in the gearbox in a matter of km's .
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Engine mounts are pretty simple , just had a new plate cut by budge and modified the original VL V8 engine mount to suit . Engine is mounted as low and as far back as possible to the sump / cross member ( about 1 cm clearence all round) .
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Gearbox needs some mods to get to fit , firstly remove ALL and i mean ALL casting bungs / mounts from the gearbox casing
This pic is missing another 5 pieces
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The gearbox mount is a 6 cyl VL mount with the mount removed from the x member and two holes drilled to accept the T56 mount which uses the 2nd set of locating holes . Pics to come.
Mal Wood starter conversion
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A bit of clearencing is required to get the plate to fit cleanly but nothing major , however clearing the starter gear is another matter.
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As you can see a section of the bell housing needs to be removed and this was confirmed by mal wood after purchasing the kit . I dont know if the CRS kit needs the same mofication but worth checking.
Gear shifter is spot on , no issues here and the a std tailshaft from a trimatic VL fits perfect with NO mods .
The trans tunnel on the VL WILL accept the T56 without cutting , however the reverse lock out soleniod needs clearencing of about 1 cm to not foul the tunnel . It is a very very tight fit which requires the clutch lines to be replaced and re routed with some braided line. As a guide the bottom two rear gearbox casing bolts should be in line with the sill(sp?) panel under the car , the box is hanging to low if you can see them
Shifter position in car .
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adam
excellent work!
What was the starter kit worth? I had another look at mine today and can see there's no real choice.
adamRSLC
16-10-08, 03:34 PM
Updates !! . No its not running yet , but i have some shiney new parts .
Ive been dealing a bit with high enrgy regarding a circuit spec sump and as they are keen to fit their new LS1 sump into the older shape commo's a deal was struck up for some R & D .
New sump and old sump
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baffle and trap doors
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side pic
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The shear size of the sump extension had me worried as the std sump is a nice tight fit but didnt leave a whole lot of room for a larger unit and sure enough it foweled on the x members where the supports are so i gave it a little clearencing .
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Next on the list was the extractors , as i mentioned before they are an off the shelf item and i decided to go the 4-2-1's as space is so tight as much room is required as possible.
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With these pipes you have to relocate the starter motor as its in the way , ive now seen one done in a VS with leaving the factory starter and custom making extractors but at close to 3K its cheaper to just go with the conversion way .
Next is final fitting and adjusting and then start on fuel / ignition etc.
adam
Adam - Is that white rolla yours too? If so, LOL at it cocking a leg last weekend on the 1st/2nd corner!
S
adamRSLC
16-10-08, 04:02 PM
Sean i saw you last week but you drove off before i came to say hi ! , The rolla is my mates as we double entered , i managed a decent 1.01.3 in the little thing 1st in class :).
adam
ive now seen one done in a VS with leaving the factory starter and custom making extractors but at close to 3K its cheaper to just go with the conversion way .
adam
Any pics of the VS?
Jim, when you read this, I'll do your extractors for under $2,500 :)
adamRSLC
16-10-08, 06:29 PM
Nah , VS was a track only but is out pretty often at club events in vic.
adam
There's a couple of quick VS's with Holden based engines running IPRA here in NSW. I reckon they'd be a good thing as they are lighter than the VT onwards, but get the advantage of "late model" big rubber...
Would love to see an LS1 VS but i thought squeezing it in there would be a major pain in the arse...
Adam - Can't wait to see this thing finished mate ! :)
Me too.
Did you keep a template of the engine mounts?
adamRSLC
06-11-08, 01:52 PM
Yep have template for engine mounts :) , im being roped in for another LS1 early commo conversion . Ive got a few updates to post up but just waiting for extractors to get back from being coated as they needed some clearencing before i was happy .
adam
is it a physical template or a cad file? :D
adamRSLC
06-11-08, 02:30 PM
Ill check if its still on a CAD drawing , but ive got a template somewhere .
adam
adamRSLC
06-11-08, 02:35 PM
Yep still got it , do you want it in a cad file or pdf?
adam
adamRSLC
06-11-08, 05:30 PM
Pm me your email address allmtr and ill send it over.
adam
cad please! :D
Want a copy of my R32 caliper brackets for DBA019 rotors? That's in cad too.
10sec_rx7
06-11-08, 06:35 PM
looking tops mate!!
yes my wiring guy does do great looms :)
adamRSLC
09-11-08, 03:01 PM
Few more parts fitted over the weekend and just waiting to get the extractors back from being HPC coated . The pipes required some creative bending with an oxy to help clear the floor and the drivers side rail , the arent a bolt in but are close enough for a back yarder to fiddle with them to clear most problems. The do sit pretty much on top of the crank angle sensor so some heat wrapping of the loom is a must along with a the starter motor wires .
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As you can see from the pics that with the manifold on it sits quite high requiring a hole in the bonnet and scoop which isnt a problem for me as its a track car anyway , the factory EFI system wouldnt have any dramas clearing bonnet heights . I do have a 1 inch spacer fitted in those pics but even without it it would be a close call .
adam
Should be a runner in a few weeks as im waiting on parts a few little things to finish it.
Nice, very nice
Edit: thanx heaps for the email!
Mini_Me
09-11-08, 08:35 PM
Adam, did you weigh the engine and box combo together by any chance?
adamRSLC
10-11-08, 05:33 PM
Engine dressed is 250 kg( ish ) box is 72 kg's . I cant find much info on how much a std dressed 308 would way but it would clear 300kg's no probs .
adam
Dressed inc alternator , water pump , inlet manifold , efi hardare etc.
adam
10sec_rx7
10-11-08, 09:02 PM
be carefull with the CAS... it is very sensitive with heat... if it melts it wont run anymore LOL
adamRSLC
02-12-08, 06:03 PM
Getting close .
Fitted in the std radiator which is a 4 core jobbie in the car and bought the factory VY radiator hose fit and with a little shortening fits just fine . Holden in their wisdom left the rad in/outs for the V8 commo's in the same spot just to suit conversions how thoughtful ( or lazy ).
Ive got one of the old school autometer temp sensors with that rather large fitting that taps into the manifold on the holden 5ltr , its not very modern but works and i wasnt going to change it so had to find a place to jam it in . Hello heater outlet on water pump :)
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That solves the water issues , now onto getting the coil packs to fit nicely . Clearence issues with the last coil pack and the brake booster surfaced as i have set the motor as far back and low as possible , im sure most people fitting the LS1 will have the same prob as it can only move a few cm's for and aft due to sump restriction . Ive managed to tilt and lower the last coil pack a little which gives enough room to allow for the motor to torque up without hitting anything.
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This week will be modifying the dash as the factory guages have been made redundent , the LS1 wont talk to the rev tach , i have no speedo drive anymore as T56 is electronic , water temp is a guage and so is oil pressure . It will kind of be like Babalouis skyline but in a VL dash .Will wire up the loom as all the other wiring for starter and alternator is complete . Shifter is finished and is ready to go along with wiring up reverse lights and lock out soloniod.
adam
10sec_rx7
18-12-08, 08:37 PM
i hear this is running now??
adamRSLC
30-12-08, 02:42 PM
Dale is right and big thanks , first the pics
Couple of finished bay shots
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Dale sent down a modified loom for me to get it ready to go and withing a few pumps of the holley it fired into life and settled to a nice idle , its missing a TPS ( fitting this week) so its a little fluffy to drive and im only putting around anyways . Its had a decent miss/back fire under light to medium throttle openings but seems to clear up the more i drive it and im really not worried untill the last sensor is wired up.
Its pretty exciting getting it to fire for the first time , always the concern of what ive forgot to do ! . Within a week or two it will hit the dyno and ill get it sorted , btw stock LS1's dont really sound that nice straight out of the extractors .
Everything works on new dash
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Rev tach needs to be set to 4 cyl mode to work with the LS1 puter, hence the aftermarket job.
Havent got the car above 85 degrees to turn on the thermo yet as i think they go on at 90?? .
Gearshift is spot on and hydraulic clutch is way to light , im used to cable plus heavy clutch.
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Little things to do are
fit bonnet vent / scoop ( proberly walky one )
lower engine another 7mm ( easy done , can adjust engine mount)
track down small slave cylinder leak ( dammmmmm )
profit??
adam
10sec_rx7
30-12-08, 03:02 PM
damm dude i could have set the tacho to work with your factory one, it is a adjustable output..
damm dude i could have set the tacho to work with your factory one, it is a adjustable output..
what factory tach - that looks like a clock to me :)
10sec_rx7
30-12-08, 03:24 PM
good point.... lol
adamRSLC
30-12-08, 03:37 PM
It HAD a tach , but i couldnt bring myself to hack into the std dash ( its worth money in commo land ! ) , so hacked the clock dash instead :) .
adam
ps , too late Dale
Much better this way anyhow ... no speedo means no scaring the fuck out of yourself when you're giving it the boot on the track.
From what I remember the VL dash speedo cable is a real cunt to connect up anyway.
If you really want to know how fast you're going, count the revs. :)
RB30-POWER
31-12-08, 12:11 PM
what size sway bars you run on this thing out of curiosity, your spring rate would be rather high wouldn't it as well?
looks great Adam! the blow by catch can looks tops, are you going to run a drain back on it or just empty it periodically?
adamRSLC
31-12-08, 01:39 PM
looks great Adam! the blow by catch can looks tops, are you going to run a drain back on it or just empty it periodically?
Ill just empty when required jim , ive got a provision to drain back but the oil that gets trapped inside isnt something i want back into the motor as the condensation makes a mess of it.
RB30 . Im running a std front sway bar ( Fe2) and no rear bar , front rates are 580lbs and rears are 350lbs . Ive got an assortment of bars ive played with and atm this is the best compomise and most neutral handling , its also the quikest setting atm on most tracks . Running a rear bar makes the car pointy and very tail happy , bigger front bar ( 32mm solid) makes it u/steer like a pig on slow/medium corners . Its always a balance and its neutral to understeer atm and im happy with that , chasing oversteer is fun ( and a little faster) untill you throw it off the track.
adam
RB30-POWER
31-12-08, 02:56 PM
it's funny you know, but i was reading a bit yesterday into it and old mate on his early commo runs no bar on the rear either, reckons traction becomes an issue with one as the wheels can be off the ground.
tell me this, a rear bar can only effect traction around a corner right, straight line it should have zero effect bearing mind a flat road surface?
HoonBoy
31-12-08, 03:28 PM
If you have big power then a rear bar can help in a straight line as it will want to pick up the passenger side of the car more then the drivers side, stabilitly will be much better with soft drag tryes and big hp with the bar on then off. Look at how much was spent on the sway bar for the CHE Commodore for an example. :)
adam, have you been adding up the costs for the conversion at all? I'd be interested in knowing what the total cost was.
adamRSLC
31-12-08, 04:34 PM
Ive got it costed pretty much to the cent , ill have a look what im up too but bare in mind my car is soon to be deregistered and not driven on the road so i can get away with a few "legal" requirements which save a fair bit of the folding stuff.
Its been built on a budget and 90% of it was able to be done at home with basic tools , its a very easy fit into an early commodore as major things like extractors , starter conversion is off the shelf and dont forget CHE who can sort out the electrical side with no problems either.
adam
10sec_rx7
31-12-08, 05:23 PM
Look at how much was spent on the sway bar for the CHE Commodore for an example. :)
.
in its old state there was no sway bars front or rear...
the new rear one is costing about $850.... and there still wont be one on the front!
da9jeff
31-12-08, 05:30 PM
so what is the reason for a sway bar on a drag car? something to do with torsional loads through the diff?
10sec_rx7
31-12-08, 05:38 PM
stop it twisting in the back end,
da9jeff
31-12-08, 05:43 PM
cool makes sense
HoonBoy
01-01-09, 11:44 AM
Ive got it costed pretty much to the cent , ill have a look what im up too but bare in mind my car is soon to be deregistered and not driven on the road so i can get away with a few "legal" requirements which save a fair bit of the folding stuff.
Its been built on a budget and 90% of it was able to be done at home with basic tools , its a very easy fit into an early commodore as major things like extractors , starter conversion is off the shelf and dont forget CHE who can sort out the electrical side with no problems either.
adam
I have four cars, only one is registered and that is the way they are staying, I give no fark for rego! It's more a curiosity question anyway, I don't have the time or money to put one in anything at the moment.
adamRSLC
08-01-09, 07:44 PM
Finished setting up the TPS switch and the difference is impressive , engines like timing!! .
Another big thanks to dale (castlehillexhaust) for some questions answered on saturday regarding the TPS . The switch is from a 2.6 magna and is faily compact 3 wire switch which isnt hard to adapt to the Holley carby , quickly set it to read .50 amp on idle and away we go .
Quick spin around the block and while it doesnt turn the tyres of idle like the old 5.0 it really gets going up top and loves a rev . Its strong(ish) low in the rev range for a LS1 but thats due to the VL waying stuff all , should be around 1190kg when finished. Its also very responsive with the carb , revs up quicker than the EFI version does .
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Finished , but fuel lines will be re made this week for more clearence .
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finished car , looks road legal kinda
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Things to complete before dyno .
Ive had to re wire the thermos as its a negative trigger from the computer so still need to check if it works.
Car doesnt want to idle for over 30 secs , it just dies slowly . Its timing related and ive adjusted the TPS correctly so ill have a look on the dyno using VCM suite to see whats the biz.
Ive also managed to fry the alternator by accident , dam. I unplugged the wire that tells the dash light their isnt any voltage and it must have earthed on the body so alternater isnt charging and no dash light at all . Most likely the regulator .
adam
10sec_rx7
08-01-09, 07:51 PM
nice work mate
when it is slowly dieing if you crack the throttle does it rev up and then go back to idle again??
if so i would suggest putting a little more fuel in the idle, just wind the idle bleed screws in a full turn on each side and see if it idles for longer
And trim the tps bracket down man! Aluminium has a similar density to concrete :D
adamRSLC
09-01-09, 01:31 PM
nice work mate
when it is slowly dieing if you crack the throttle does it rev up and then go back to idle again??
if so i would suggest putting a little more fuel in the idle, just wind the idle bleed screws in a full turn on each side and see if it idles for longer
Yep , spot on dale I figured it was either too much/ not enough fuel and will have a little play on the weekend.
Muz , 4mm alloy plate was all i had lying around :) .
adam
lookin' the goods now!
Where does the motor sit in relation to the centre of the strut towers? It's a little hard to tell in the pics, but it looks like the strut centre is in line with the 2nd rearmost coils? I managed to get mine back so the motor is pretty much centre to the struts.
adamRSLC
19-01-09, 02:57 PM
Yeah , 2nd rear most coil pack . I would have liked to do it more like your car as you have really got it back to the firewall , ultimately though the more you move it back the more it costs . Custom sump , custom extractors , tailshaft mods along with transmission housing "clearencing" , it all adds up .
adam
Looking good man, before you spend too much time sorting the jetting you gotta cut that choke horn off the carb.
A hacksaw will do, but it should preferably be blended & smoothed into the carb top & throats - it's worth HP & response.
adamRSLC
19-01-09, 03:54 PM
Thats on the list tony , i just wanted to check on if i could still get away with the 650DP on the std LS1 motor or if bigger was required. I must say it feels very crispy even as is compared to an EFI set up . Driving my mates VX malloo compared to this car is chalk and cheese , 500 odd missing kg's will do that though .
adam
Yeah , 2nd rear most coil pack . I would have liked to do it more like your car as you have really got it back to the firewall , ultimately though the more you move it back the more it costs . Custom sump , custom extractors , tailshaft mods along with transmission housing "clearencing" , it all adds up .
adam
yeah tell me about it, my budget has been blown out of the water US navy style.
adamRSLC
12-02-09, 06:29 PM
Car has been dynoed and returned a respectable 215 rwkw , looks like the little 650dp is struggling to keep up as it has some negative manifold pressure at wide open throttle from about 3k up and the carby cant hold a solid fuel mixture as the more it revs the more it leans off . It will stay carby as it drives as per factory ( ish) and has great throttle response not to mention the torque it has using this inlet manifold , it will easily turn the tyres in 2nd from 3k onwards . So very happy with the result , im looking at either a proform 850 or HP 750 holley to upgrade too which should get close to 230 ish atw , job done.
Been needing a tow car as this is now unregistered and following the PF guide a AU wagon on gas didnt really appeal to me , so went for the next best thing .
Couple pics of the new hotness .
Picked it up 2nd hand last week .
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~acaddeo/mypic110.jpg
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~acaddeo/mypic111.jpg
First impressions , the A piller is too big and hinders corner vision , traction control is as subtle as a sledgehammer , it is one big mother of a car and auto whilst doing the job doesnt compare to the ZF ford 6 speed . Good points are heaps of stomp , high 13's for fuel consumption , good steering and can tow 2.1t legally :) .
. Ive just got to fit the HD tow bar and rear sensors for parking , also looking at fitting height adjustable seat belts .
adam
Why can't you get the carby to hold mixtures up high? What did you try?
Is it fast?
750HP FTMFW.
That'll wake it up.
adamRSLC
13-02-09, 03:24 PM
The car is fast muz dont worry about the conversion its well worth it in the end , top end HP is strong as and its still a std engine . Its all about the lack of weight compared to the fat arse VT-VE commo's .
Muz , im not exactly sure why the carby cant flow enough im not that into it , i just know how to set idle mixtures and change the jetting. The tuner gave some valid reasons and is bolting his 750 HP onto it to verify .
TK , 750HP looks about perfect for my combo but i need the street version instead of race due to my TPS switch needing a throttle shaft on the other side of the carby to bolt to . Race version seems the throttle shaft doesnt go through the carby .
I love this thing, nice work fella ! :yup:
Any chance you could've fitted the carb + air cleaner under the bonnet without cutting a hole ?
And nice VE by the way - they are sexy for a late model Commodore... ;)
Oh yeah - want this moved to the Racers section now ? :D
adamRSLC
15-02-09, 09:33 AM
I love this thing, nice work fella ! :yup:
Any chance you could've fitted the carb + air cleaner under the bonnet without cutting a hole ?
And nice VE by the way - they are sexy for a late model Commodore... ;)
Oh yeah - want this moved to the Racers section now ? :D
Its not far off from fitting under the bonnet , about 2cm from the front of the carby and im not sure if the HP holley is any more compact . I can lower the engine only about 7 mm until its sitting on the cross member , but im not worried ive got a walky bonnet to fit which cover the aircleaner and give me some bonnet venting from behind the radiator .
Yeah chuck it in the racers section , ive just got to set some quicker times in it now . I took off the plates today and now can really get stuck into making it track only ( perpex windows / no heater / radio etc add fuel cell )
adam
RB30-POWER
15-02-09, 11:03 AM
out of curiosity do you think your stock ve would munch this thing around the circuit at the moment or no hope?
adamRSLC
15-02-09, 05:18 PM
VE wouldnt get close , it makes a nice street car as it turns well for a big shitta and has good feel through the steering but it feels heavy and anything above 7/10th driving it tends to fall apart a little ( understeer / lots of body roll ) but is has excellent power down . I saw a few VE's run 1.32's at sandown , the VL should go a 1.24 so big difference . As a street car the VL is hopeless and verging on dangerous , way to much power , poor power down and big bumps throw it around something fierce .
adam
Yeah the window winders and door trims add up to friggen heaps. Plus the glass is incredibly heavy.
I reckon that is probably the best aspect of having no road rego/ weight removal.
adamRSLC
16-02-09, 04:05 PM
cool , im hanging out with jim now in the racers section !!
adam
shame mine is still spread evenly across my little workshop :(
Great to see it up and running mate, you'll have to post pics and vid from it's first event!
I see this thing was out at Sandown on Anzac Day...
Report?
adamRSLC
27-04-09, 04:29 PM
Thats well spotted , you didnt have anything to do with the mega 260z by any chance?
Glad to be finished the first event i must say , plenty of hours spent at tyrepower reservoir in the last week . The day went very well , first a 1.26.4 was reeled of quite easily just using the top end HP of the new combo . Engine ran well , no breathing/fumes/oil or rods looking for daylight . Car has a different power band compared to the 5ltr but dale put a good tune in it so ran spot on all day , you can notice when it runs out of carby as the power whilst strong tapers a little over 4k revs .
Only problems was a selector issue which i sorted quickly and a broken exhaust hanger , so im a happy man . Handling is a bit average atm as the 5ltr set up hasnt really transfered over well to the lighter LS1 but its ball park so a spring change and maybe fitting a rear bar might help it turn in better .
pics
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~acaddeo/mypic112.jpg
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~acaddeo/mypic113.jpg
im off to change my leaking master cyl. now :(
Jim , mate trust me LS1 in the VN is going to be a rocket , mines a full std engine and it doesnt hang around at all . 4th gear is 1.1 like the supra and i was picking it a good 70-100 metres earlier than with the old combo .
Also , one for dale it seems to be running pretty cold . Putting around its all good between 90-95 but after a few flat out laps its around 80-85 and im sure that the LS1 is designed to be around the 90 mark . Should i block the radiator a little or i can get away with this.
adam
10sec_rx7
28-04-09, 07:59 PM
80-85 is perfect mate...
if it goes under 80 fit a slightly hotter thermostat
What was your old best laptime?
Clever conversion BTW. Good stuff.
Shit, Adam, I hadn't clicked that the VL at Sandown on the weekend was you.
Glad to hear you had a mostly trouble free day :)
Thats well spotted , you didnt have anything to do with the mega 260z by any chance?
No, But I know the madman behind the wheel ;)
Also the two white Turbo 1600 Dattos...
That Z-car was pure automotive porn.
adamRSLC
29-04-09, 05:41 PM
Shit, Adam, I hadn't clicked that the VL at Sandown on the weekend was you.
Just spectating or driving? , come say hello next time Kaiser.
My best lap time is a 1.26.2 in the 308 and i feel that this combo as is will/might go a mid 25 . Im back to sandown sunday week to have another play using the same combo just a few small suspension tweaks to get it to turn in better.
I was in group 4 with the other slow pokes. :) Silver WRX with black rims, I said hello early on before scrutineering.
adamRSLC
07-06-09, 04:07 PM
Had another day out at sandown a couple weeks ago and had a chat to DJ345 a PF member who was belting his budget build AE82 on the same day for some fun , always good to find fellow PF's around.
Car ran essentially the same set up as the first track day as im playing around with the suspension settings and getting no impprovements atm . The lighter LS1 has made this thing a dog as its just really slow to turn in especially slower corners and hasnt got any balance or confidence in it . Doesnt have any corner speed and wants to lock front brakes very easily .
Also had some high speed walking under full noise which is new but worked out a day later that the mighty LS1 had ripped one of the upper control arm bushes hence the high speed weave.
Im changing the front springs from 580's to 500's next event and refitting the std rear sway bar and having a play with toe to find some sort of happy medium before the PI six hour in august .
Have a new toy also to fit :
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~acaddeo/mypic118.jpg
Picked it up of Ebay after plenty of failed bids in the past , HP 750 in excellent condition for half what new price is and will fit it in a few weeks along with a quick tune to sort out a odd back fire at 5500 rpm which has appeared . Hoping to see 230 rwkw with this puppy .
Had flirted with an EFI set up
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~acaddeo/mypic119.jpg
But value for money it doesnt benefit my particular set up .
Needed a H/Duty tow bar for the VE , under $300 from holden 2.1 t here i come .Easy fit too.
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~acaddeo/mypic130.jpg
How easy it to remove the rear bar , fantastic and fitted in 30 minutes.
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~acaddeo/mypic131.jpg
Dont mind the chev badge , i thought it was cool but its not and ive now got no badge and a lip spoiler on it.
Have towed with the VE a few times now and must say for all the short comings this is mega out on the highway , its just too easy its got plenty of low down and handles the weight with ease . Ive used a few different trailers now and the one in this pic whilst being a excellent trailer ways a fricken tonne ( literally ) , the other one i use is 600kg and the difference in driving is huge .
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~acaddeo/mypic116.jpg
Next event is winton then a PIARC day to tune in for the 6 hour .
adam
morerevsm3
10-06-09, 09:44 AM
not doing Sandown with WRX club in couple of weeks?
I wouldn't change rear bar until you play with front settings properly, sounds like you need softer front OR stiffer rear spring rate
adamRSLC
11-06-09, 02:11 PM
Im skipping the next wrx sandown ( too much work on atm )even though they are a very well run event compared to a few other clubs ive tried . Theses a holden day in july ill go too.
Are you dragging out the BM for that day?
Im thinking its got too much front spring so will go with that first and winding on the castor as the lighter LS1 has freed up the steering a fair bit. Its got 350 in the rear with no sway bar so ill leave that and throw a small bar on it for some R&D .
adam
morerevsm3
11-06-09, 03:06 PM
yep, giving the M3 a run this sunday at IP day at haunted hills, and WRX club sandown event in 2 weeks is also a round of BMW clubs championship, so I'll be there too
adamRSLC
15-07-09, 03:53 PM
Looks like the LS1 has carked it on the dyno today :( , sounds like a big end bearing for number five cylinder is gone . Last track day it had a big missfire/banging noise in the last session at only 5500rpm , no lower no higher in the rev range . Wasnt to fussed , fitted new carby and re dynoed today made an easy 230 rwkw then got noisey on idle and then noisey everywhere .
Removed rocker cover and cyl head looks fine but has a consistant miss on the cylinder but even compression , the extractor for that cylinder also doesnt heat up like the others.
Have stumbled on a rebuilt LS2 6l ( short ) and was wondering if i can use my heads on it and what if any mods are required ?.
adam
10sec_rx7
15-07-09, 04:12 PM
spuewing mate
check coil packs and injectors first
yes your heads will bolt straight on
10sec_rx7
15-07-09, 04:13 PM
fuck im a dumb cunt....
ignore the injector comment... LOL just check coil
adamRSLC
15-07-09, 04:27 PM
Yep checked coils / plugs and also valve springs/rocker gear .Its doenst sound like my old 308 when it spun a bearing but something is not happy down their!!.
adam
Thanks for the info on the heads , so the 4 inch bore of the LS2 is fine with the LS1 heads? .
10sec_rx7
15-07-09, 04:39 PM
they are the same heads :)
definatly soounds like something not right, probably missing a side off a piston :(
ive seen a couple of ls1s spin lifters in the lifter guide with similar symptoms. usually fucks the cam, lifter and lifter bore as well after trying to get it out. spin the engine over with the rocker covers off, you can usually see the "steppy" action of the stuffed one.
adamRSLC
16-07-09, 06:25 PM
okay big day spent on it and have got it going again!! , plenty of things checked and re checked and will post after winton on saturday
adam
Your going to Winton this WE?
See you up there ;)
adamRSLC
16-07-09, 06:52 PM
what are you driving ill come say hi.
adam
okay big day spent on it and have got it going again!! , plenty of things checked and re checked and will post after winton on saturday
adam
Woot great news. See you at Winton!
Good news Adam and good luck at Winton.
Was a good Saturday at Winton - even if it was farkin cold...
Was good to meet Adam & Kaiser.
Adam - had a trouble free weekend!
The VL went hard & didn't miss a beat :yup:
RB30-POWER
19-07-09, 02:15 PM
so the engine wasn't farked afterall, or did you rebuild it the other day?
Not a big enough skid on the starting grid of the supersprint Adam. :D
He put the 650 back on it. From what I remember, sounds like the jets on the other carby need to be replaced.
Heard someone binned their car, any details? (I had a few mates racing, hope it was none of them!)
S
adamRSLC
19-07-09, 06:06 PM
Peoples , yep a good day and ill explain the engine thing first .
The 750HP i got of fleabay , seems to have had the metering blocks played with ( not confirmed yet ) as no way to control idle mixtures which resulted in huge overfueling , enough to put out the fire in cyl 5 which when at idle speed was causing a knock in the big end for that cylinder .
Refitting the old 650 which runs fine on idle mixtures placed enough load on the cylinder to make the noise disapear , its not a fix but it allows me to plug along for a little longer and its obviously not a healthy engine.
Next thing is to pull apart the HP and work out whats been tampered with , but when it did do a power run it picked up 80nm at 2000rpm onwards and maybe another 10rwkw .nice.
Sean PM me for details.
Day went quite well , first session was needed to clear the plugs up a little as i didnt have a new set to put in but after a couple of laps it seemed happy and i turned it to 6k all day with no probs. Set a new PB at 1.39.6 for winton and its the first time the LS1 has beaten the old 308 set up , corner exit is a prob as the torque is making the diff peg leg something fierce now and im not exactly interested in waiting for the car to level up before planting it so after the PI 6 hour it'll get a minispool in it to sort out that issue .
WRX club day was ran perfectly , quick change overs and plenty of laps available . Its really the benchmark for clubs atm as ive sampled some different clubs lately and its miles ahead in organastion .
Always good to catch up with PF members and lurch popped over to say hello while helping his team of datto boys and kaiser who is about to remove his brant alarm and turf it down the hume as it shut him off during a timed session! .
PI 6 hour is next and ill be concentrationg on making this car easier to drive , gear shift is too short and seating isnt correct for me and needs changes stat . This T56 is a real bitch to select gears , needs to be man handled especially down the box and isnt easy while trying to balance a sliding car with the brakes pinned to the floor , ill try a longer shifter and play with the clutch master sizing to make it easier.
adam
Adam - PM coming. I see Budge went a stoker too. Battle of the Commos Mk V I see!!! ;) ;)
S
Budge was running in a brand new engine, and his diff gave up the ghost mid way through the day.
My Brandt problem manifested on the second fucking lap of the first timed session. Lost all power coming out of turn 1 and just had to guide the comatose car off the track out of potential harms way. Started up ok when the chequered flag came out, but it threw me completely for the rest of the day, so I basically sucked.
Didn't help that I was having surging problems even with an in tank anti-surge setup in the last session either. :(
The collision was in the second supersprint in the esses leading on to the start finish line, when a GC8 RA STi locked up his brakes and turned off the track the wrong way (went left instead of right) and collided with the car in front of him (a piggy STi).
Heard someone binned their car, any details? (I had a few mates racing, hope it was none of them!)
S
News travels fast, even on the pony express in the outback :rotflol:
Was a good day, was some unfortunate luck for a couple of people.
adamRSLC
11-08-09, 02:39 PM
Update time .
Just completed the Phillip Island 6 hour last weekend under team "AutoCure Motorsport " with sponsers Tyrepower Reservoir and Procal Dairies , what a massive event! . Having never completed in a regularity before it was a big learning curve with consistant reliable speed being the objective and outright pace not required .
The LS1 performed perfectly with the only issue being a drive belt falling off in practice , come race day it belted out close to 40laps all between 2.02 ( nominated time ) and 2.05 . It used on average 2 litres of fuel per lap and i kept top speed down to about 200km/h down the front straight .
Being the first time our team has entered we didnt dail in the correct lap time for a few cars and the reulting penalty laps killed our overall result coming in 27th out of 50 entrants .
DJ354 was also competing with his team and happened to be next door and i think finished up overall higher than ourselves , i even managed to find him on the track at one stage but as their was a heap of white corollas im not sure if it was him !.
couple of pics of team autocure
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg157/Budges08/IMG_4643.jpg
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg157/Budges08/Adam1.jpg
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg157/Budges08/Mark1.jpg
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg157/Budges08/Ray2.jpg
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg157/Budges08/Cam2.jpg
adam
matty12
11-08-09, 02:58 PM
Nice collection of commodores there,the yellow vh is mint
Good stuff Adam :) The weather held out too - I was worried because it'd been shit earlier in the week.
40 TEAMS entered was huge though - props to the organizers for doing an excellent job!
I was told an Excel team won the event?!
Apparently they were all dead stock too...
The old boy was down there watching.
One car from the Sprite team lost a WP pulley, so the old boys Sprite was cannibalized so the competing car could keep going :lol:
adamRSLC
11-08-09, 03:15 PM
Lurch i got some pics of a mental 240 zed , red one ( you proberly already know him ) 200 rwkw no turbo's just a efi L28. Zed was very clean and finished off well.
Excel team was the rally cars and yes they one , no penelty's = win . IF and its a big IF , we got no penalty's( we got heaps ) we would have easily come first with all the bonus laps we got ( proberly most of the other teams also would have won too ! )
adam
adam
Yeah it's the penelty laps that kill the result.
And it doesn't make it easy with all the other cars on the track...
I believe that red Zed was prepared/driven by Peter Macdonell - it's not slow!
Normally does 1:52/1:53's round the Island...
50 teams actually Mr Lurch ;)
The Sprites ended up 9th, not bad considering the 20 penalty laps. It's penalty laps that kill things as you both say.
The track looked very busy at times, I was surprised there weren't more incidents, but I guess everyone was taking it easy because it was a regularity.
There was what looked like a one off build Clubman with an LS1 down the timing tower end of the pits near the old porsche teams, it wasn't an Elfin, the LS1 looked a pretty neat fit:yup:
Yep have template for engine mounts :) , im being roped in for another LS1 early commo conversion . Ive got a few updates to post up but just waiting for extractors to get back from being coated as they needed some clearencing before i was happy .
adam
Any progress on this "other" car Adam ?
I know a few people are thinking of doing an LS1 conversion on early model Commodores for IPRA - interested to see if your mounts are suitable ? :)
P.S - What diff are you running ? Any dramas with axles etc yet ?
Cheers,
Paul...
adamRSLC
17-08-09, 08:44 PM
Yep , other car ( VH ) engine / auto is in but he went for the CAE engine mounts as he couldnt be bothered waiting for me to get around their!. They are pretty decent and mount the engine a little lower ( about 5mm) then my modified hoolden ones . We have fitted up the extractors ( which they have stopped making and will sell you the bends only now ) abd had to stuff around with steering racks to maintain p/steer in this car .
Regarding extractors , it seems CAE have cracked the sads due to complaints about fitment into to early commos for the LS1 and have stopped making them . A few points if i may , they arent a bolt in extractor per say . As old commos have been belted sensless for years i seriously doubt you would find two that are identical , holden engineering back then wasnt great and plenty of smashed V8 commos around all lead to fitting issues .
I do think they are still a great extractor for a cheapish way to get the engine in the car , nothing an oxy and some imagination cant fix . The VH ended up running a VL k frame and VN/VL combination p/steering rack . P/steering line from the VL worked fine to the LS1 pump . If running a manual rack i suggest a VL K frame and rack into any of the early commos with this conversion as they are a good compact unit and leave plenty of room for said pipes .
Paul , VLt of VL5ltr diffs are a good thing . Still running the original diff but have replaced the LSD once and it needs another one soonish , friends have 9 second drag VL's with 10 inch slicks/transbrakes and dont break them so ill stick with it .
adam
adamRSLC
25-09-09, 05:41 PM
Small update as ive been getting the car ready for winton on the 10th ( wrx day ) of october .
Finally got the 750HP sorted and running very well on the LS1 , it seems the idle fueling issue was related to the rear air adjuster/correctors . Im not sure what the carby was set up for but proberly a pretty big cammed engine as the rear adjusters were too small and had been restricting the amount of air causing some rich idle mixtures and fouled plugs .
Problem fixed and engine is super crispy with the HP on it , its not on the same dyno as last time but made an easy 200rwkw before the ever softening std valve springs called enough .
So mods for next year will include a cam upgrade and some valve springs as this LS1 just refuses to die despite my best efforts , such a good engine .
Any recommendations for cam specs . Keep this in mind though , i would like to not rev it past 6k , the exhaust is a try y design running into twin 2.5inch pipes into single 3 inch but might go twin 3's in the future and manifold has an operating range of 2000-6500rpm . Im running a std T56 box with 3.7 ratio diff so most gear changes drop back to 4k revs from 6k and its a very light car ( just under 1190 kg .)
Im thinking 222/224 and 12 degrees LSA but maybe a little to big for a 5.7l.
On a bling note if got a new set of wheels ROH racelines , 2 kg per lighter the previous wheels and an offset that will allow a 245 tyre to be fitted if required.
adam
10sec_rx7
28-09-09, 01:50 PM
222/224 is a gay small cam...
i have a 232/234/112 in my daily...
i have a cracker of a cam that makes as good as stock bottom end with killer top end that i can send down to you,
Have you got rid of that hideous Wankinshaw thing on your bonnet yet?
Also, will see you up at Winton next month, hopefully I won't have alarm problems this time around.
adamRSLC
28-09-09, 02:06 PM
Dale , ill call you at the end of the season ( dec ) and we can chat about my small gay cam .
Kaiser , bonnet vent stays as filter/carby doesnt even come close to clearing bonnet . Ill color code it in the new year , will look very pretty then. See you at winton .
adam
ps. yes i noticed the WANKinshaw bit
10sec_rx7
28-09-09, 02:13 PM
hahahah we wont be putting a small gay cam in it...
if i was you i would be putting some valve springs in it now tho, not hard to do on the car as well..
Solution to this problem is EFI...
10sec_rx7
28-09-09, 06:57 PM
put this same cam in a VE today... with my exhaust, intake and tune... 329rwkw... does about 300 on a good ls1 with a real good exhaust etc etc
adamRSLC
28-09-09, 07:18 PM
Valve springs will be soon , recommendations? . Its laying over pretty bad on the dyno at about 5k rpm.
adam
10sec_rx7
28-09-09, 07:43 PM
stock cam always dies out above about 5300...
some PAC singles will do the job.. got a few sets at work if you need some...
dont put comp springs near it...
does about 300 on a good ls1 with a real good exhaust etc etc
Sounds good to me :)
adamRSLC
14-10-09, 12:52 PM
Last track day for the season was at winton on the 12/oct , again was a very well run WRX club event with plenty of laps available and a few super sprints thrown in for good measure .
Lowered my PB down to 1.39.50 and ran a heap of sub 1.40 laps so its pretty consistant . A few of the commos are having trouble dailing the cars into winton as we dont have a big range of track adjustable parts to play with , i tried a few sessions with a std rear sway bar but it didnt end well and once i removed it took a second of my lap times . Going to have to look into making the car a little more adjustable on the track .
The now close to 100 lap ( and 150,000km )old LS1 performed well with the 750HP on it and i was able to pull a taller gear for some of the corners but the valve springs are a MUST to be changed as valve bounce at anything more than 5500rpm in all gears isnt great , so ended up not reving it hard at all and using the bottom end to drag it around.
Grabbed some in car from budges black VB and in all fairness to him he had a shocker of a day , he recently fitted a cage and is really struggling with the balance of the thing and combined with the locked diff is a real handful as the video will show . The car has run a high 38 before so it just needs to be sorted more .
Video form VB with a few commos sneaking past .
sgtrqHv-FMg
( ill embed it in a sec once i work it out )
Plans for next year will be
Paint bonnet scoop / nose cone and fit new front bar/group A spolier
Fix valve springs and fit new exhaust ( has a single 2.5/3 inch street system )
Most likely off the shelf adjustable sway bar but will look at some custom in car ones .
Would love to fit a 1.5 way diff centre as i drove a 2 way and it pushed a bit much in my opinion or really turn it into a u/steering pig and mini spool it ! . Ive had to change my lines a bit at winton ( late apex as much as possible ) to help load the diff evenly as it wants to single wheel everywhere even in 3rd gear off tight corners.
pics
http://www.pbase.com/willstark/image/118159345/medium.jpg
black VB
http://www.pbase.com/willstark/image/118204183/medium.jpg
adamRSLC
28-10-09, 06:40 PM
Couple of small vids from winton track day .
1st is first time at winton with a rear sway bar fitted , made the car nice and pointy to turn in but lift off oversteer from about 130km/h onwards . Ran out of talent through the sweeper and ran into/over a ditch :( .
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ONe of the cleaner 1.39.5 laps , looks slow but i was trying .
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adam
Didn't think Winton had so many slow/sharp corners, yuk. Good vids, would be better still with the camera mounted further forward.
adamRSLC
10-03-10, 06:02 PM
Ok im out to calder on sat evening and have been playing with the VL over the last few weeks .
Out went tired old valve springs and in some single beehive's , while at it the timing chain was pretty flogged out so put in a rollmaster double row and spaced the oil pump to clear it but no mods to the timing chain case .
Also grabbed a 2nd hand 224/228 @ 113 cam from a mates car and 4 credits later :( and some time with VCM suite it punched out a solid 50rwkw gain across the board .
Only downside is to space the oil pump i had to drop the sump a little which has upset the sump gasket and the oil is choosing freedom instead of staying in the sump so crossmember is being dropped to lower the fracking sump so i can replace it.
update after calder then off to bathurst 6 hour in april
adam
10sec_rx7
10-03-10, 06:08 PM
if you didnt remove the sump and adjust the pickup then dont race it as you will fuck the motor..
pull the sump off and fix the pickup tube.
cured5.7
10-03-10, 09:09 PM
Good luck Adam for Saturday.....
I should be able to swing by and have a look see some time in the afternoon or evening.
Sad to hear about the sump, but i reckon even if you didnt fix it b4 Calder this freaky engine would last, seems no matter what you throw at it it still keeps keeping on. :)
But having said that you should fix it incase it decides enough is enough.
Good gains with the mods you have,
so what is it at the wheels now?
Mark
Ok im out to calder on sat evening and have been playing with the VL over the last few weeks .
Out went tired old valve springs and in some single beehive's , while at it the timing chain was pretty flogged out so put in a rollmaster double row and spaced the oil pump to clear it but no mods to the timing chain case .
Also grabbed a 2nd hand 224/228 @ 113 cam from a mates car and 4 credits later :( and some time with VCM suite it punched out a solid 50rwkw gain across the board .
Only downside is to space the oil pump i had to drop the sump a little which has upset the sump gasket and the oil is choosing freedom instead of staying in the sump so crossmember is being dropped to lower the fracking sump so i can replace it.
update after calder then off to bathurst 6 hour in april
adam
Sadly, I'm not going to be able to do Calder. Waiting for some tophats for my new brake setup to be done, so I'll have to content myself with being a flaggy. :sad::mad::mad2:
morerevsm3
11-03-10, 02:02 PM
I won't be there in the M3 either, budget going to racing the E30 at the moment, and some new parts for the M3 are still sitting in the shed not installed yet
adamRSLC
11-03-10, 02:43 PM
I won't be there in the M3 either, budget going to racing the E30 at the moment, and some new parts for the M3 are still sitting in the shed not installed yet
I saw 2 M3's entered and wondered if one was yours.
Kaiser did you get hail damage on the weekend?
Dale , oil pump was set up / centered using feeler guages to centre it and when we yanked the sump they had another look at the oil pick up , o ring seems to have settled nicely but they had a look at it anyway .
Drove it today and oil pressure seems to be the same as last time 60psi by 3k ( coldish oil ) 25 psi idle ( hot oil ) and 60 psi at 5,000 rpm hot oil , but thanks for the heads up and ill keep an eye on it at calder.
adam
Nah, luckily the car was under cover and the worst had passed by the time it reached my place, so the car is just filthy.
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