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RACEFPV
28-06-08, 09:34 AM
i think i have lost my mind. For a while now i have had a plan that goes something like this :

find XD - XE Falcon
install EFI 351C and tough driveline
install race suspension / brakes
install dick johnson bodykit......paint green, get a set of BBS wheels

i am starting to to hunt for the flares etc. Please confirm this is a stupid idea :knock:

dirteyrx
28-06-08, 09:42 AM
Yes, that is a stupid idea.
Will use a shitload of fuel and because it's an XD-XE, it will handle like shit and still look crap no matter how much you do to it.

Spend the money on the decent car you already have if it's burning a hole in your pocket (or give it to me).

HTH

RACEFPV
28-06-08, 09:48 AM
Will use a shitload of fuel and because it's an XD-XE, it will handle like shit and still look crap no matter how much you do to it.


i wanted you to convince me NOT to do it.

ps. yes i would still be keeping the Typhoon. this will just be a toy

BoganDAVE
28-06-08, 09:50 AM
stupid idea, make sure you buy lots of door handles.

dirteyrx
28-06-08, 09:51 AM
Is it worth spending that much money on a heap of crap, when your daily absolutely shits on it in every respect? Do you think you'd actually ever want to drive it when it's done?

It is one of the more retarded idea's I've seen on PF.

RACEFPV
28-06-08, 09:53 AM
i am thinking like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ektTw5lpoyY without the near death ending.

C0V3R
28-06-08, 11:22 AM
make sure you buy lots of door handles.

QFT. If you get chinese ones you will need many. See if you can find a wholesaler.

Euroboost
28-06-08, 11:32 AM
Fuck the haters! DO IT! Every swede and his cock do Commondores but nice, or even evil, XD-XE Falcons are rare.
Build an XE and get the suspension sorted and you'll have a decent car, that your DD will still eat for breakfast in everything except noise.

Stix Zadinia
28-06-08, 11:41 AM
yeah do it. there is something about XE's look wise that makes me want a 351 too... maybe because i learnt to drive in one

doorhandles are $11 each at supercheap, don't let that put you off! you can reinforce them so they don't break anyway.

Asteroid
28-06-08, 11:43 AM
I wholeheartedly agree. How is this any different to building a Brock replica - except everyone loved that idea :rolleyes:

Fucking do it. It's bogan at it's finest.

C0V3R
28-06-08, 11:59 AM
If you do do it, make sure you reinforce the unibody/chassis rails as much as possible before paint/etc.

I have a bit of a thing for that boxy shape for some reason that I dont quite understand.

karl_2ltGC
28-06-08, 12:09 PM
That you tubue video had he doing that screaming grunt 'yea'.
I say do it.
My mum used to have a XD and i have many fond memories of it, was a great beast :)

TJ
28-06-08, 01:10 PM
Should look like this






http://i28.tinypic.com/l9w69.jpg

RSWEPN
28-06-08, 01:19 PM
haha whats wrong with bright green falcons =]

sammm
28-06-08, 01:25 PM
http://boostcreations.com/global/trublujohnsonxd/xd13.jpg

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u271/gk5766/nla.jpg

http://www.fibremaster.com.au/ford.htm

FatBoy
28-06-08, 01:59 PM
I wholeheartedly agree. How is this any different to building a Brock replica - except everyone loved that idea :rolleyes:

Fucking do it. It's bogan at it's finest.

Exactly. I wholeheartedly support this idea, fucking do it !!

It will be noisy, impractical, and stupidly more expensive than what it should be. But do it anyway...

ALLMTR
28-06-08, 02:17 PM
Do what you want to do, be what you want to be, yeah!

hamish
28-06-08, 02:27 PM
A good 351XD would be cool, if you have the spare money & it pushes your buttons, do it :)

Shitbreak
28-06-08, 02:37 PM
Fantastic idea. Absolutely love the Green machine XD, with that massive BBS wheels at the back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoqDYcCDOTg&feature=related

RACEFPV
28-06-08, 02:52 PM
will be like this but without the decals and with better paint & wheels...would go for maximum rear width / dish. Agree that a lot of extra welding/bracing would be required and would go for 1/2 cage minumum.

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/6428/kinggeorge03tx1.jpg

an XE only weighs like 1350kgs, so a 400hp crate engine from the states with a good sump will be good for some track days.

im pretty much convinced. will start the part hunt. when inspiration starts to wane will just watch that 1983 bathurst qualifying lap....FARK YEAH!

dont tell the mrs.

TonyJZX
28-06-08, 03:14 PM
i don't give a fuck what you douches say

this is pretty fucken cool

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/3035bd5373.jpg

one day xd xe xf falcons will be collectable

you hardly see them on the roads now... or maybe i'm on drugs

2ofdem
28-06-08, 03:18 PM
Yeah I reckon it would be a fun car the best part about an Xd-XE is the interiors no loss if you strip it. Dukes of hazzard is a good documentary on the technique on how to get into one of these falcons too.

Euroboost
28-06-08, 03:27 PM
http://www.gruppea.com.au/HO/index.html
The designer of the Group C kit can still supply the bits.

dirty_sandwich
28-06-08, 03:30 PM
DOOOO IT! I love the look of them too. There's also something about shutting down a sports car in a noisy old bogan box. :w: People laugh but it's fun.


*Footnote - buy my XE driveline in the parts sale forum. please? :yup:

XAC15T
28-06-08, 03:35 PM
Do it for sure!

Then watch out for rocks :yup:

Paddington
28-06-08, 04:04 PM
paging aaron_hogan....

body wise, XE for better rear suspension. You can also still buy the phase 5 kit and other bits through the guy who originally did a lot of Ford design work (forget his name but there was a write up in Australian Muscle Car Magazine a while back), his company is in Clifton Hill. Used it see it everyday on the tram, its called something like HO options or something like that.

flopper
28-06-08, 04:09 PM
XE track car with group C kit

+

angry F6 motor and 6 speed

=

awesome?

Charlatan
28-06-08, 04:21 PM
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/6428/kinggeorge03tx1.jpg

Just buy this one!

http://www.australianmusclecarsales.com.au/muscle_view/110659

PS - awsome idea.

big_pete
28-06-08, 05:06 PM
They are tuff looking cars when done right:
http://www.streetfords.com.au/images/wallpapers/xf3/xd1024.jpg
http://www.streetfords.com.au/images/wallpapers/xf5/black1024.jpg
http://www.streetfords.com.au/images/wallpapers/xf5/xd1024.jpg

i used to own an XE. handled quite well once lowered. and the 6 had a bit of go with some intake/exhaust work.

RACEFPV
28-06-08, 05:11 PM
There's also something about shutting down a sports car in a noisy old bogan box.

Yes, there is a certain attraction here.

Not getting any driveline stuff till i find the car that stuff is pretty easy to come by and i am not sure what the car will come with. what i will need to hunt down is the kit, wheels, suspension pieces etc.

oxy
28-06-08, 05:13 PM
one day xd xe xf falcons will be collectable

You really think so? IMO there is just too many of them to ever become a collectable car, besides the fact they look shit

floody
28-06-08, 05:22 PM
Theres one which used to park at work quite often, metallic green, the flares/airdam, massively wide (but probably 15" dia ) 5 spoke 3 piece wheels, droptank, angry clevo... Mega tough. Haven't seen it recently, next time I do I'll snap off a pic.

If you get the phase 5 kit please leave off the pooftastic wing and scoop.

dirty_sandwich
28-06-08, 05:26 PM
The silver one in the last photo has me drooling! Tough!

RVK 355
28-06-08, 05:30 PM
They are tuff looking cars when done right:
http://www.streetfords.com.au/images/wallpapers/xf3/xd1024.jpg
http://www.streetfords.com.au/images/wallpapers/xf5/black1024.jpg
http://www.streetfords.com.au/images/wallpapers/xf5/xd1024.jpg

Fuck yer, they look staunch, i love the yellow XD that traverna jnr owns,rips a good skid

FatBoy
28-06-08, 05:30 PM
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/6428/kinggeorge03tx1.jpg

Just buy this one!

http://www.australianmusclecarsales.com.au/muscle_view/110659

PS - awsome idea.

Fuck yeah !!

Save yourself a shitload of dollars and heartache and buy that !!

Then go do track days and just have a ball...

Fondles
28-06-08, 05:41 PM
do ittttt, i reckon done right they are tough as.

as to the door handles, carefully drill out the rivet on the pivot point (this is what fails 99% of the time) with a 3.3mm drill bit, tap the remaining hole with an M4 tap screw in a 10mm X M4 bolt use a suitable washer and some loctite... bingo no more door handle issues...

ive owned many a cortina ( te/tf same door handles), i can tell you this mod works a treat.

RACEFPV
28-06-08, 05:41 PM
Fuck yeah !!

Save yourself a shitload of dollars and heartache and buy that !!

Then go do track days and just have a ball...

yes, good call however this will be a long term project. Spending $30k now will result in castration or worse (just bought first house). I need to fly under the radar for a while........i can slowly gather parts and after a number of year...voila!

bogan express.

there will be no bonnet scoop or phase 5 roof spoiler. I've found a place that can supply "bathurst" flares and Phase 5 front and rear spoliers. Wheels will be more of a challenge and $$ but i've got some time. I am also gonna go with the PBR calipers on 300mm rotors on the front, hoppers has a kit. There will be no drop tank either, i really dont like them. Might start buying up nolathane bushes and little stuff now so at least it feels like the project is underway. Better subscribe to Australian Muscle Car too.

TJ
28-06-08, 07:12 PM
All of those cars above look like shit, simply due to the abortion of the scoop hanging off each one of them.

Grizzler
28-06-08, 08:13 PM
Here's one prepared earlier

http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/private/FORD/FALCON/details.aspx?__sid=11AD0C9EDA45&Cr=2&__Ns=pCar_PrivateSpecialFlag_Int32|1||pCar_ImageCo unt_Int32|1||pCar_LastModifiedDate_DateTime|1&State=All%20States&distance=25&silo=1003&seot=0&__Nne=20&Model=FALCON&R=5723159&__N=4294966463+0+888+42+246+565+4294966285+4294932 329+834+285+257&Make=FORD&state_id=0&trecs=3

da9jeff
28-06-08, 08:45 PM
i think he wants to build a non-shit one.

ps that youtube vid of dick johnson is fucking awsome.........until conrod

Euroboost
28-06-08, 08:54 PM
My 3 year old loved the DJ vid, again until the elbow.

ALLMTR
28-06-08, 08:57 PM
My 3 year old loved the DJ vid, again until the elbow.

You elbow that kid again and I'm calling DOCS

Euroboost
28-06-08, 09:02 PM
No elbowing the boy from me. Little bugger knows how take the car. Not to mention he's bigger then BIGMTR.

Asteroid
28-06-08, 09:20 PM
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/859/xeqq0.jpg
Fixed

DavidI
28-06-08, 09:48 PM
Do. It.

When I was a kid I was a huge Dick Johnson fan, the XD/XE race cars are a big memory for me.... At the recent race meeting at Lakeside someone was racing a replica (I assume it wasn't the real one!) Tru Blu XD, big flares, big wheels etc. Damn it looked good..... might have to look into this myself! Let's see, old Falcon $500, 351 will fit straight in, couple of grand for decent suspension....
As someone else said, people build Brock Commodore replicas, what is there for fans of the blue oval?

GTREA
28-06-08, 10:54 PM
If I was forced to have an XD - XE Falcon it would be this:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d149/FRDPWR/esp416.jpg

Non of that drag car BS

FatBoy
28-06-08, 11:17 PM
My Dad bought a brand new red 351 XD Fairmont Ghia back when i was just a primary school kid. I farken loved it !! Gold Hotwires and tints, it was pimp spec back then... :rotflol:

Was always a Brocky fan, switched to Dick Johnson fan for a few years - and then went back to Brocky when the old man traded the XD for a new Nissan Patrol a few years later. There ended my shortlived passion for Fords...

But i still reckon this is a great idea !! :D

Tripper
28-06-08, 11:24 PM
But i still reckon this is a great idea !! :D

kicks fatboy in the head its the best idea on here Just do it some Ford Nut will pay a arm and leg for it so be sure to film so strange porno featuring the lose of the arm and leg FTW

karl_2ltGC
29-06-08, 12:17 AM
Were can you get those huge bbs wheels that were on the back of the greens tuff ford? Wtf were they?

Blind_Goat
29-06-08, 01:17 AM
+1 do it :D

floody
29-06-08, 01:40 AM
I'm certain they were something enormous those BBS rims, like 19x1?" with 15 or 16" fronts...silhouette pics of the car in the later events really show it.

Ever seen the pinepac "Group A" XE? basically a group C car minus the flares..actually a pretty good look. You'd still get some fairly serious rims inside the stock body.

F|sh
29-06-08, 03:07 AM
YEAP 19'S ON THE rear saw it at his meusem go for it RACEFPV!

Turbo 351
29-06-08, 06:03 AM
There was a white XE with 19" FR simmons getting around the coast a few years back, I'm not a falcon fan personally, but this did look great.
I recall my footy coach taking me to a game in a XD, worked 351 with toploader (I was only about 13 at the time), must of had low diff gears, thing did 120Kmh in 1st gear, and got there in a bit of a hurry (well in a 13 y/olds eyes anyway).
I say do it.

RACEFPV
29-06-08, 08:12 AM
Found specs on the DJR XE

From www.djr.com.au

Body:
Ford Falcon XE

Engine:
351 Cleveland Output - 456bhp at 6,500 rpm

Driveline
4 Speed Ford Top Loader Gearbox

Suspension
Front - Standard XE double A-Arm front end
Rear - Four link rear end with Watts Linkage

Brakes
Front - 13 (in) AP Callipers
Rear - 11.5 (in) AP Callipers

Wheels
Front - 12 x 16 (in) Dunlop
Rear - 14 x 19 (in) Dunlop

Tyres
Dunlop

Fuel Tank
130 litre fuel cell

Weight
1440kg (homologated)

Performance
Top Speed 284 kmh (Bathurst)



Fark, rears are 19 x 14! thats some massive rubber. I reckon i will go with something in the 17x10-11inch range all round.

Euroboost
29-06-08, 09:30 AM
The Pinepac Group A car was an NZ touring car, I can't recall the full story but AMC did an article on it a few years ago. The GreensTuf XE, DJ also ran the XE in Trueblue colours for a short time, ran the same 19" BBS wheels with CROSSPLY tyres as the Porsche 935. I heard that tyres for the wheels are almost impossible to find today, and aren't that crash hot when you do.

Euroboost
29-06-08, 09:40 AM
If I was forced to have an XD - XE Falcon it would be this:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d149/FRDPWR/esp416.jpg

Non of that drag car BS

Looks like a drag car to me, gauges on the cowl and big rear rubber. Granted it looks more discrete then the other cars, still a shame to see a rare car messed with.
I nearly bought a mint XE Ghia ESP 4.1 when I was an apprentice. It was a verified 2 owner car that was probably the best around, never smoked in, full Ford service history the works. I wish I did buy it but at the time I was doing so much dirt road work I would have killed it. so I bought 121 instead:wtf:

Paddington
29-06-08, 09:41 AM
All of those cars above look like shit, simply due to the abortion of the scoop hanging off each one of them.

seconded. Pro street look with tunnel scoops, skinny wheels on the front and tubs is gayer than multiple balls touching.

260DET
29-06-08, 10:32 AM
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/6428/kinggeorge03tx1.jpg

Just buy this one!

http://www.australianmusclecarsales.com.au/muscle_view/110659

PS - awsome idea.

Have seen that one out at QR, its a replica I think but quite well done. Been for sale for a while so the price may be negotiable.

Lot of character those things, ignore the cookie cutter wimps and go for it :yup:

RSWEPN
29-06-08, 03:23 PM
The red one above runs 10.50's

TJ
29-06-08, 03:36 PM
You wouldnt be using a 4 speed in todays age would you?

08ESE
29-06-08, 03:51 PM
Fuck the haters! DO IT! Every swede and his cock do Commondores but nice, or even evil, XD-XE Falcons are rare.
Build an XE and get the suspension sorted and you'll have a decent car, that your DD will still eat for breakfast in everything except noise.


AGREEEED!!


if it were a vk or vh everyone would say do it....


nothing wrong with being individual!

08ESE
29-06-08, 03:58 PM
also i knew of a lot of dudes that has xds and xes when i was 17.... they loved them and most would like another.

how about the xd model LTDS sweeeet sweet cruisers, dad has a 85 model (xe shap) 6cyl fully optioned efi six, and an 83 model fully optioned 351 fmx model which is a tyre shredder, albeit rusted to bits.

im not a fan of the steering wheel in ur face, and the pedals 3 miles away, nor am i a fan of the low seats and low roofline. they dont suit tall people thats for sure, unless they drive swede style leaning into the back.

Jim
29-06-08, 04:02 PM
I love XB/XC's and fucking hate XD-XE-XF. The XC was a boat and for some reason they general feel and handling went even futher downhill in the 80's.

But there's plenty of go-gear for them and they can be made to handle pretty well. Do it, if it's what you love!

They WILL become collectable, you can't buy an XA-XC in good running nick for less than $5k these days. I paid $1300 for my 302 GXL in '94 and now they are worth heaps because everyone scrapped, crashed or threw them away and now there's hardly any left. XD-XF will go the same way.

Guido
29-06-08, 06:07 PM
I reckon it is a top idea. Go for it.

Greg Rust
29-06-08, 09:48 PM
Yep another supporter here,

There is a 2in flare kit that looks pretty good also but the pick is definitely the 5in flares, If your going that far you will need to cut the rear doors and rear guards out to have that flare kit.

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w85/xwgasaxe/greenstuff.jpg
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w85/xwgasaxe/greenstuff2.jpg

ALLMTR
29-06-08, 10:23 PM
Fuck me, how wide are those front tyres :eeek:

Greg Rust
29-06-08, 10:32 PM
I think the rears were 335/?? 19s but am unsure of the fronts, looks like they are close to a 295?

I got them to pop the bonnet on it when I was there years ago, it was really good to see the crafty ways that they had interpreted the Group C rules.

Captain_Slow
30-06-08, 10:03 AM
I say do it if that's what you want. It will be an enormous waste of money and not as good as any modern performance car, but then that's true of pretty much any project.

XD-XEs were a bit lame back in the day, but have a certain old school toughness now. Helps that you don't see many around anymore so the image problem that being associated with 4.1 litre 3 speed auto GLs and ex-taxis would have brought you has largely disappeared.

itsnotagsr
30-06-08, 10:07 AM
Speaking as someone who had affection for slab sided Volvos, I say do it.

Love the sheep skin recaros...

hamish
30-06-08, 11:47 AM
Jim, I reckon they've already become rare, the quality was a bit ordinary & XD/Fs seem to rust more than commodores, plus they were mostly unloved fleet hacks, so they seem to have pretty much dissapeared of the roads.

Jim
30-06-08, 11:52 AM
Hamish, IMHO they are 5-10 years off being valuable. The generation that remember their parents having one and remembering them thru rose coloured glasses aren't quite in the same age group as all the 70's muscle car buyers of today.

They'll never be a GTHO or GTS but they'll fetch good coin when there's none left.

F|sh
30-06-08, 01:12 PM
do it!!

hamish
30-06-08, 03:57 PM
Hamish, IMHO they are 5-10 years off being valuable. The generation that remember their parents having one and remembering them thru rose coloured glasses aren't quite in the same age group as all the 70's muscle car buyers of today.

They'll never be a GTHO or GTS but they'll fetch good coin when there's none left.
That'd be my generation :)

I'd agree that they aren't valuable yet, just observing that they seem to have dissapeared off the roads. You hardly even see XFs anymore & they were the big seller for much of the 80's, VLs are far more cherished, probably because there weren't any performance or 'hero' versions of the XF, EFI S pac was about as good as they got, everything else was a fleet hack, at least the XD & XE had the last of the 351's which is a probably why they are the models I'd pick to build.

edo
30-06-08, 04:31 PM
Im pretty sure you cant get a cleveland crate motor...all the ones from the states are Windsors.

If you can cope with using a windsor instead (they are much lighter & much better supported through the aftermarket anyway...especially if you want EFI then its no problem, plus you can run a tremec instead of a toploader so you get 5 speeds for less than 4 (a properly rebuilt toploader is more than a new tremec 5 spd).

If anyone cares, XEs had the first watts linkage standard & having some decent lateral location for the back end is a nice thing to get.

oxy
30-06-08, 04:55 PM
If you can cope with using a windsor instead (they are much lighter & much better supported through the aftermarket anyway...especially if you want EFI then its no problem, plus you can run a tremec instead of a toploader so you get 5 speeds for less than 4 (a properly rebuilt toploader is more than a new tremec 5 spd).

No clevo or toploader. You have just turned this in to a gay idea

CussCuss
30-06-08, 05:05 PM
Im pretty sure you cant get a cleveland crate motor...all the ones from the states are Windsors.

If you can cope with using a windsor instead (they are much lighter & much better supported through the aftermarket anyway...especially if you want EFI then its no problem, plus you can run a tremec instead of a toploader so you get 5 speeds for less than 4 (a properly rebuilt toploader is more than a new tremec 5 spd).

If anyone cares, XEs had the first watts linkage standard & having some decent lateral location for the back end is a nice thing to get.

so crompton was racing xe's back in the day?

2ofdem
30-06-08, 05:11 PM
Who saved my skid picture in my awesome XE?

Jim
30-06-08, 05:17 PM
That'd be my generation :)

I'd agree that they aren't valuable yet, just observing that they seem to have dissapeared off the roads. You hardly even see XFs anymore & they were the big seller for much of the 80's, VLs are far more cherished, probably because there weren't any performance or 'hero' versions of the XF, EFI S pac was about as good as they got, everything else was a fleet hack, at least the XD & XE had the last of the 351's which is a probably why they are the models I'd pick to build.

yeah VL's have always been popular due to the turbo and group A/Walkinshaw/Director versions. Ford had given up by then.

But it's not abou the rarity of the car, it's about how many people want them vs how many are left. At the moment there's a few left and not many that want them. The indicator is all the kids who's parents had one hit 35-45 years old and now have spare money and fond memories of the parent's family truckster they learned to drive in and want one again. Even when their parents tell them what a heap of shit it was.

We're 5-10 years off that generation hitting that age bracket.

TK
30-06-08, 05:45 PM
Do it, XE 351 + tremec + flares + big tyres = good.

But if you want to turn corners quickly & often either budget a lot for a clevo, or switch to windsor.
A 351W is a good thing, you can even stick clevo style heads on it so it looks more clevoish - but keep the windsors far better oiling system.
Keeping a clevo alive in a curcuit car is an expensive excersise - the only sure fire way to be certain the oiling system is not gonna let it down is to dry sump the prick.

Jim
30-06-08, 05:49 PM
If you're not running CAMS events, think about a BA/BF turbo six. Should have as much power but be lighter and handle better. Well, maybe not lighter than a windsor, but lighter than a clevo :lol:

itsnotagsr
30-06-08, 05:53 PM
That'd be my generation :)

I'd agree that they aren't valuable yet, just observing that they seem to have dissapeared off the roads. You hardly even see XFs anymore & they were the big seller for much of the 80's, VLs are far more cherished, probably because there weren't any performance or 'hero' versions of the XF, EFI S pac was about as good as they got, everything else was a fleet hack, at least the XD & XE had the last of the 351's which is a probably why they are the models I'd pick to build.

IMHO, other than the Walky, VLs are only popular because people could put turbo Nissan engines in them cheaply.

Bermo
30-06-08, 06:11 PM
http://www.pavtek.com.au/images/stories/pavtek/l434c5a%20mini.jpg


TORQUE: 611 ftlbs @ 5400 RPM ( 1050 Dominator carb & intake )
HORSEPOWER: 728 @ 6950 RPM ( Dominator carb & intake )


TORQUE: 604 ftlbs @ 5350 RPM ( 950 carb )
HORSEPOWER: 701 @ 6750 RPM ( 950 carb )


CAMSHAFT: Custom Pavtek Solid Roller

CYLINDER HEADS: "3v" Alloy heads
FUEL REQUIRED: Premium Unleaded - Mobil Synergy or Shell V Power
LONG MOTOR ASSEMBLED: L434C5/A - From $19,950

Jim
30-06-08, 06:33 PM
is that real HP or American HP? Americans seem to have smaller horses.

Bermo
30-06-08, 06:40 PM
That AUS pricing by Pavtek (Aussie company in Vic).

If thats too expensive go for something like this:

TORQUE: 511 ftlbs @ 5400 RPM
HORSEPOWER: 596 @ 6850 RPM
CAMSHAFT: Custom Pavtek Solid
CYLINDER HEADS: "3v" Alloy heads
COMPRESSION RATIO: approx 11:1

FUEL REQUIRED: Premium Unleaded
LONG MOTOR ASSEMBLED: L393C3/A - From $13,450

xbgs351
30-06-08, 08:17 PM
Clevor

Grizzler
30-06-08, 08:28 PM
Well how about this one then?


http://www.my105.com.au/classified.asp?id=8760

Paddington
01-07-08, 08:34 PM
Hamish, IMHO they are 5-10 years off being valuable. The generation that remember their parents having one and remembering them thru rose coloured glasses aren't quite in the same age group as all the 70's muscle car buyers of today.

They'll never be a GTHO or GTS but they'll fetch good coin when there's none left.

bang on Jim. I'm surprised aaron hogan hasn't posted in here, he has a motly collection of XD onwards falcons and managed to get a few going stupid fast for next to nix using all sorts of AU trickery. One of his cars reminded me of my mum and dad's XD which took our family all over aus and only let us down in cooper pedy when it sprung a slow leak on the top radiator hose, which was replaced with a commodore one bent to shape at the servo.
I'm looking back with rose tinted glasses but I just remember it as a car that lasted forever and went anywhere. It was also mum and dad's first proper family car (and was bought brand new) and the Duhig Ford sticker on the back sticks in my mind. I wouldn't say no to building up a tough windsor powered XD/XE one day if I ever have the coin.

Jim
01-07-08, 09:14 PM
All I remember is oil leaks, bent pushrods, a shitty driving position that needed a gorilla to turn the wheel if it had no PS, and broken door handles.

Oh my god the fucking sheer volume of broken door handles.

Oh, and having to air chisel off the top ball joints.

Paddington
02-07-08, 09:28 AM
^ either we had none of that or my dad was a master at performing surgery to it without me seeing any of it, and given that my dad's nicname given to him by his auto elec uncle (and his workers) is "the master mechanic" I seriously doubt it! :D
I do remember there being no way to replace the light bulb for the interior light other than having to break the light.
Oh and fuel. It went through tons of it.

xbgs351
02-07-08, 12:22 PM
All I remember is ............., a shitty driving position .

Perhaps you are ergonomically challenged? I really like the driving position in my brothers XD. When driving to SA or QLD, my brother and I leave my BF behind and take his XD as it is far more comfortable for long trips.

Jim
02-07-08, 12:24 PM
is your dad short? seemed short drivers didn't break the door handles so much.

hamish
02-07-08, 12:24 PM
Well how about this one then?


http://www.my105.com.au/classified.asp?id=8760

That's really nice, very clean & understated, bit of a sleeper really. Don't think he'll get the asking price though :)

08ESE
02-07-08, 06:47 PM
i agree on the shit driving position

BUT

they were still comfortable to drive. Dads 6 cyl ltd is sweet as to drive.

hamish
03-07-08, 08:38 AM
I owned an XF ute some time ago, which I remember quite liking in spite of all it's flaws, & never had any issues with the driving position, but they may have improved things compared to the XD/E when that model came out.

Wouldn't mind another one actually, but would be much better with a 302 up front.

Paddington
03-07-08, 09:20 AM
is your dad short? seemed short drivers didn't break the door handles so much.

yep, under 6ft. Mum drove it a fair bit but she never broke one, then again, no towering pillar of strength there...

Euroboost
03-07-08, 11:11 AM
This talk of the door handles reminded me of a former work mate. She used to be always breaking door handles on her XF ute. She ended up breaking the quarter window, and her hand, one day. She was less then happy the day some guy stole it. She thinks she knows who did it but he's already been dealt with.

Jim
03-07-08, 11:36 AM
the XF seating position wasn't too bad. Much better than the XD which was shithouse. Like a kingswood with a lower roof.

Seems the door handles break when they are lifted too high, the domain of gorillas and tall people.

karl_2ltGC
03-07-08, 03:28 PM
My mum had an XD for about 15 years, drove it everyday, got very little maintenance and was absalutely rooted at the end.
It did bend a pushrod, a few door handles but not much else. My mums 5foot nuthin.
I was the final straw that broke the XD's back just when i got my licence the transmission went - coincidence? :)

But overall its been the best family car my folks have ever had.

karl_2ltGC
04-07-08, 11:23 AM
Ive been thinking about this xd-xe thing.

Can you take the front end(grille-bonnet-headlights) from a XD an put it on a XE?

Surely having the trailing arm rear would be helpful but i like the XD look more.

Jim
04-07-08, 11:25 AM
XD-XE-XF everything is pretty much interchangable AFAIK.

Greg Rust
04-07-08, 12:26 PM
Great idea!!

Yes but you will have the fit the XD front panels as the indicator panel is different.

I had a XD Fairmont ghia 351 4 speed and it was a pretty sweet ride, Yes I had to replace 2 door handles but that's fuck all in the scheme of things when fixing old cars.

karl_2ltGC
04-07-08, 04:27 PM
Ok so whats the part list going to look like?
XE - $500
XD front end -$200
351W???
5speed? - what from?$?
can u run a BW LSD/locker without breaking it or 9"?
big ass flares- $?

Any other big expensive items. Something with Club rego would be the go i think.
Not forgetting - Door handles - $20 last time i checked

dirty_sandwich
05-07-08, 02:09 PM
Just sold my XE ghia this morning. Crawling around underneath in the mud to get it started wasnt fun but once the guy heard those sweet clevo sounds it was gone! Ill miss the old tank. was a GREAT car! So many awesome memories :(

Jim
05-07-08, 06:24 PM
I want to do up an XC ute. Seems the only ones left are ratshit, though the price doesn't seem to have gone thru the roof with the utes.

Paddington
06-07-08, 09:41 AM
^ there must be something about XA-XC utes Jim, every one that I've seen (apart from restored or pampered ones) seem to have rust everywhere. I came across a XB GS ute in a wreckers a few weeks ago though, was too far gone unless you could do all the bodywork yourself

RACEFPV
06-07-08, 05:01 PM
some more XD-XE Group Cars.

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/8851/1054156mgpx1.jpg

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/1372/djr194ny1.jpg

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/2900/murraycartersxebf0.jpg

I think that getting the body kit right will be one of the biggest dramas. Most of the original moulds have been destroyed and the manufacturers gone arse up. However, have been doing some research and through a couple of suppliers think i will be able to cobble something together that looks tough.