Project FuckinWooshodore

[rowdytoot]

OK so a few weeks ago Damo picked this up from Pickles for me:
http://www.rowdyrallysport.com/stuff/photos/VT@pickles.jpg
http://www.rowdyrallysport.com/stuff/photos/29032009102.jpg
1998 VT S pac Supercharged. It was a repo and came complete with about this much rubbish:
http://www.rowdyrallysport.com/stuff/photos/29032009109.jpg
but has a 10 psi S/C pulley (pulls 10 pound no probs) and a twin 2.5 into 3 inch exhaust (which will have to go- waay too low and heavy.

It still needs a tiny bit of work- new rear bumper cover, new airbox(ordered), and me to fit some new Lower Inlet manifold and rocker cover gaskets for it to be running reliably.

I'm holding off doing anything with it til all the other cars are sorted and gone, but have already got a manual pedal box on the way, so just need to get a T56, and order a flywheel, clutch and bellhousing from chevtorque in WA and it'll be manual baby.

Will have the 17's for a sale in a coupla weeks though if anyone is interested.

[HoonBoy]

Do you have any stupidly massively oversized picutres?


:D

[msmola2002]

Is this replacing rallyuterus?

[rowdytoot]

Do you have any stupidly massively oversized picutres?


:D

no, but I can get some :D

michael- yup...

[Euroboost]

Canberra car by the looks of things.
I've heard some bad stories about people buying repo cars.

[Coffin]

Ian, what have you heard?

[rowdytoot]

manual pedal box just arrived..

DrRowdy is taking a mental health day!. Coffin- lunch/ visit chris??

might go pull some stuff outa the shed to wack on eghey..

[Coffin]

yer come out here today

[rowdytoot]

have boss kit :D

took me fucking ages to get home cos there were cops at every single intersection betweeen fysho and where the GDE crosses Belco way-

[Coffin]

My momo in the lounge room better not be attached to the commodore when I get home.

If it is, I want to go for a drive in commoofmuchboostedness :)

[Swill]

Rowds. Just out of curiosity, what was/is the price of getting it all manual? pm if you want.

[rowdytoot]

Swill - from my understanding.

for a T56:
factory manual pedals - 200 bucks
custom flywheel/clutch and bellhousing from chevtorque- about 1600 bucks I guess.
T56- 1500 bucks tops s/h.
stock t56 mount - however cheap I can get one- say 200 bucks.
clutch master, slave and lines- 200 bucks say?
wiring and ECU cheats- 300 bucks.
so probably a bit over 3700- ie. more than the cost of the car.
Mal woods will sell you a 'kit' for about 2.5x times that...


For T5 I reckon it looks like:

pedal set:200
flywheel 500 (chevtorque)
T5 and bellhousing- 500-750
clutch 300
wiring and ECU cheats- 300

so 2200 ish.
the extra cost of the T56 isn't too bad.

Damo- hrmmm... the white ute is wearing all stockies now. thinking about the wheels on the VT...hrmm..

[Coffin]

thinking? .. as in taking off and ebaying?

[MIZ RX3]

Deef - theyre ugly as sin. yuck

[rowdytoot]

thinking? .. as in taking off and ebaying?

:yup:

[Coffin]

Put up for sale other cop spec stuff too :)

[Lobster]

Hey I just thought of something...
This car was repo'ed in Canberra right?
And you got hte ignition replaced with codes from Holden and stuff right?
Does that mean that someone who had their commodre reposed from them now has the keys to your car?

Dun dun dahhh!

Good to see that the previous owner also thought it was more important to buy Bourbon and Coke pre mixes, than it was to pay back his loan.
If he was serious about paying it back... THen those would have been Woodstock not fancy la di dah Beam!

Also, why the fuck does he have an opened packet of pasta and sauce in there? Was he cooking in the car or something?

[Lobster]

Also. Why do you have a chicken coop in your backyard?

[MIZ RX3]

Also. Why do you have a chicken coop in your backyard?

I'm pretty sure thats the tiny shed thats full of junk from the previous tenants, but is so overgrown with ivy inside the boys havent touched it..

[rowdytoot]

Lobby, by the time it rolls out of the backyard, they won't recognise it as theirs, and unless the battery master is in it, it's not going anywhere!.

oh and it was a chicks car. I have her birth certificate :D

[Coffin]

Does Leisl know of said car yet? :)

I was having a drunken convo with Clack on sat night, .... he suggests just manualize the auto, and spend whole time left foot braking. ... sounded good after a couple bottle of dodgy wine .... not so sure now

[MIZ RX3]

Lobby, by the time it rolls out of the backyard, they won't recognise it as theirs, and unless the battery master is in it, it's not going anywhere!.

oh and it was a chicks car. I have her birth certificate :D

I'm pretty sure she's gunna want that back.. Maybe. :)

Does Leisl know of said car yet? :)

I was having a drunken convo with Clack on sat night, .... he suggests just manualize the auto, and spend whole time left foot braking. ... sounded good after a couple bottle of dodgy wine .... not so sure now

Sounds great to me! Pehehehe Clack is stupid

[Coffin]

fuck that Stace, ... lets get an id made up, .. so she can order pseudoephidrine to help fund the rest of the build :)

[Euroboost]

Ian, what have you heard?
Sorry forgot about this thread, that and working nights so I can't get near a computer long enough.
Stories I've heard include new owners not changing the plates and finding their "new" car going missing the first time they leave it at the supermarket. People having getting car jacked/bashed/shot, has happened in the US. Granted mainly on cars that are easy to identify, those shitty wheels would make this thing easy to spot. Ask any towies about repo jobs, most hate them with a passion.

[Euroboost]

I'm pretty sure she's gunna want that back.. Maybe. :)




You return it and tell her who stupid she is as only you can?
And pray she isn't bigger then you.:)

[Coffin]

Sorry forgot about this thread, that and working nights so I can't get near a computer long enough.
Stories I've heard include new owners not changing the plates and finding their "new" car going missing the first time they leave it at the supermarket. People having getting car jacked/bashed/shot, has happened in the US. Granted mainly on cars that are easy to identify, those shitty wheels would make this thing easy to spot. Ask any towies about repo jobs, most hate them with a passion.


Cheers Ian,

This one came without plates, and the wheels are already off it and about to go onto ebay, and will only be driving to/from rallies anyway, but I can understand what you are getting at with it. .... plus it's insured so even if it gets stolen from our place we're covered.

I'm really good mates with our towie (you need to be when you own a rotor ... and he's a client and has cool american cars) :) he didnt seem to mind dragging it up onto the truck

[Lobster]

How old is the chick?
I call BS on a chick owning it.
I don't see pink seat covers or a winnie the pooh sticker anywhere.
Are there any scrunchies on the gear stick?

Oooo what kind of stereo does it have? Did it come with a CD in it?

[Tom Foolery]

By my reasoning, anyone who leaves their birthcertificate in their (about to be repo'd) car along with opened packets of pasta sauce is not going to have the skillz to steal a car. They probably have velcro shoelaces and don't own a belt.

[MIZ RX3]

How old is the chick?
I call BS on a chick owning it.
I don't see pink seat covers or a winnie the pooh sticker anywhere.
Are there any scrunchies on the gear stick?

Oooo what kind of stereo does it have? Did it come with a CD in it?

Fuck you Cunt!

:)

[rowdytoot]

How old is the chick?
I call BS on a chick owning it.
I don't see pink seat covers or a winnie the pooh sticker anywhere.
Are there any scrunchies on the gear stick?

Oooo what kind of stereo does it have? Did it come with a CD in it?

in her 30s, no seat covers, no scrunchies, but the photocopy of her drivers license indicates she had short hair.

pioneer DEH something- no faceplate though so I dunno what CD was in it.

just bought new glass for the smashed window on ebay (20 bucks)

just need a rear bumper in white and it'll be swoit again!

[Euroboost]

Dammit, there was a white VX bumper on cooma st for a while. Just sitting there.

[rowdytoot]

there was a perfect one on ebay, but I cheap arsed and bid too low, so I missed out :(



no rush so will keep lookin

[Lobster]

Fuck you Cunt!

:)

ROFL!
I was just thinking up stupid stereotypical girl things.

Stop being so stereotypically a girl! :p

[rowdytoot]

so after a few months in the 'wilderness' that is/was Damo and Rorges backyard, the VT came home after hampton. Many thanks to the randoms who 'donated' it to me after I said it was too good to hampton bash- that's the official g/f accepted story and any p'fers who even hint at another version will be killed... ;)

So it's now sitting in my shed, and damo is getting up me to get it to a hillclimb in oh 3 weeks, and the only weekend I'll have to work on it I'll be in brisvegas for the rugby uniion! awesome!

so what's the plan.

1) find rear bumper a new or plastic weld the one I've got.
2) finish interior strip out- might take a day off next week and do that...
3) fit new battery- something sealed that'll be happy in the cabin eventually.
4) fit new rear window
5) new rear tail light
6) fit new rocker cover gaskets
7) change oil, filter, and coolant

at this stage I don't think it needs more powers, or torques for teh dirt, until we've got a handle on the thing. It picks up between 60 and 130 pretty quick at the moment, and that'll be plenty for finding our feet on dirt.

I need to sell the uterus- panels being painted today, and teh gemini- Chris5ltr is working on the new front guard for that for me-champion!-to fund the big work, which will be:

full strip, cage and sump and tank guards
3.9s and tru trak diff
T56 conversion- anyone got a t56 going cheap??
bilsteins new suspension
usual rally gear-seats, harnesses etc.

i wanna do some carbon/kevlar on the sideskirts and front lip to give them a bit of impact/abrasion resistance too

Longer term I've worked out that I really want a VZ monaro rear subframe for it- that gets me the toe control links with vented rear discs & matching calipers that will still fit under 15 inch wheels.

[MIZ RX3]

Dammit, there was a white VX bumper on cooma st for a while. Just sitting there.


Why am i not surprised!@!

ROFL!
I was just thinking up stupid stereotypical girl things.

Stop being so stereotypically a girl! :p

Oh shut up lobsock

so after a few months in the 'wilderness' that is/was Damo and Rorges backyard, the VT came home after hampton. Many thanks to the randoms who 'donated' it to me after I said it was too good to hampton bash- that's the official g/f accepted story and any p'fers who even hint at another version will be killed... ;)

Whooooops! LOL Sounds like its all coning along nicely Rowds!!

[Euroboost]

How bad is the bumper and how pretty do you want it?

[rowdytoot]

it's got a tear in it somewhere near the top, and it's got a few scuffs and some paint transfer from where it's been reversed gently into something yellow by the silly french bitch who owned it when it was repo'd.

[80DGY]

thermostats are a cunt to change on these, it's under the throttlebody. Holden up here say blower has t come off (horseshit) but you can get it with a 6" 1/4"dr extension and a 10mm 6 point for the easy to access bolt and a cut off 10mm ring spanner to slowly work the rearmost bolt around (a poofteenth of a rotation at a time, haven't found a ratchet spanner small enough to get back there).

If you do a combustion leak test (the gas ones) and it comes back positive, it's probably just your intake manifold gaskets.

Oh, and best coolant we've found for them is the Tectaloy VPlus :D

[evil_weevil]

Let us know when burnout pics are up :D

[Coffin]

OMG this thread lives!!!

Finally after bashing around at Hampton Rowds has the rally bug again! woooot :)

[rowdytoot]

Tom- how's your hand coming along dude?

will hope I don't have to change the thermostat in a hurry then!

am well aware of LIM gasket issues, when i get to that point I'll get the LIM and blower ported for more HPs :D

Evil Weevil- it has chucked some decent skids already, did a funny one on flat tyres when I drove it onto the trailer the other week, and did a little one in my driveway when I moved it...

[rowdytoot]

Damo- heheh!

[Bogan]

Interested in 15" steelies? Some with tyres? Cheap? They're chasers mate they're fuckin' sick...

[rowdytoot]

Boges- nah, have 3 sets of alloys + chasers for it already!

[Chris5Ltr]

Rowdes has already put dibs on my 15's from my Ute, that's if you still want them mate?

Come get them when your ready.:)


EDIT-Let me know Rowdes (just seen your reply)

[rowdytoot]

yeah sure do Chris- you want the 17s that are at damos??

[Chris5Ltr]

Yeah why not, I'm sure I can do something with them.

[rowdytoot]

hahahah... fair exchange is no robbery! :D

will get ya some paint striper tomorrow.

Just picked up VS panels from Nicks- nice job considering the panels he had to work with... will re assemble over the weekend... :D

[Chris5Ltr]

Cool, see if you can drop it by before Wedensday I will get into it on my days off in between working on my Pick Up. :)

[rowdytoot]

interior stripped save for the seats.

looks like race seat mounts will be a peice of piss too. :D

I swear I pulled over 100 kg of stuff out of it- the boot carpet weighs at least 10 kg all told.

the interior carpet must weight well over 25 kg.

As a result of the stripping the rear ride height has increased by about 40 mm!!!!!

will upload pics in a while.

tomorrows job is to re route a bit of wiring runs to the trans tunnel, and then change the rocker cover gaskets.

[xwavgas]

I am interested in your project Rowds, but pics only show red X thus far.

I echo your sentiment about Mal Wood and yes he may be the man for Tremec but god damm he charges for it. I got my T56 from an XR8 but need a Clevo bellhousing..$800 jeepers no thanks, I will look else where.

[msmola2002]

Sweet :D

[rowdytoot]

dear Mr Gasaxe,

please see links as per below.

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[rowdytoot]

decided yesterday arvo, that I really need a fuel cell mounted in the boot, the stock tank is just in a ghey location!

[Euroboost]

How are you getting rid of the all the airbags/pretensioners? Hate pulling the damm things out, seen videos of what they can do if they go off at the wrong time.

[Swill]

Just leave them in there!!

[rowdytoot]

fark it's not hard- you just disconnect the battery, then unplug the wiring and remove them...

[rowdytoot]

spent today working on the VT -aside from the coupla hours spent doing some heavy lifting for the girl-although given she moved a full sized railway sleeper about 25 metres by herself yesterday....

have fitted the p/s cooler and bled the system- messy, but all good. hopefully got the small leak fixed too.

rivetted the brackets to the VX rear bumper I bought and fitted it up

bought some aerocatches for it a coupla weeks back, so ill fit them up tomorrow morning, as well as the extinguisher brackets.

have to check with a dude on ebay, but I might be able to get hold of an entire VY rear end- which would give better toe control.

Currently the ride heights (hub to guard) are 380 mm rear, and 370 mm front- which are ~ stock apparently, although I think the front is very low, and will need to come up about 30 mm at least

[xwavgas]

Cool as Rowds, cage work starting soon maybe?

[msmola2002]

speaking of which, who will be doing the cage? Ah, I miss my rallyshitter :(

[rowdytoot]

Cage will start when prolly december ish- wanna have a run at the hillclimb in mid november- so all the work at the moment is going into preparing it for that.

I've gotta sell my VS ute & the gemini to 'raise the capital' to do the cage, and suspension, which will then free up a bunch of space too!

Rod Kilby will be doing the cage- he lives about 2 minutes from my place, and his w/shop is only 10 minutes away.

Cage will be the full set of bars- tower to tower, Xbraced main hoop, with harness bar, Sainz bars,windscreen spreader, Xdoor intrusions. integral rear shock tower brace.

Anyway, here are some pics of the stuff I did yesterday.

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I somehow forgot to take photos of the cooler on it's mounts.. will do that today.

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs222.snc1/6933_146827338455_696578455_2780367_6787802_n.jpg

Rockers - from when I changed the Rocker cover gaskets the other week.


http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs202.snc1/6933_146827343455_696578455_2780368_2062417_n.jpg


just cos I can- the birthday cake from the other week!!

[Coffin]

Looking good cunt :D

[msmola2002]

nice

:D

[HoonBoy]

I've gotta sell my VS ute & the gemini to 'raise the capital' to do the cage, and suspension, which will then free up a bunch of space too!

How many years have you been saying that? :D

Rod Kilby will be doing the cage- he lives about 2 minutes from my place, and his w/shop is only 10 minutes away.

Good choice, I like the Rod Kilby cage in the new Lancer.

[xwavgas]

Nice cake, the GF got me a Falcon one for my bday this year, probably tastes better than a Commodore cake :D

[rowdytoot]

jamie about 3 years :) rod did the cage in the gemini for smee
gasaxe cake race ?
Damo yeah very motivated

[evil_weevil]

how much for the ute? :D

[Coffin]

how much for the ute? :D

I'll make sure Rowds gives you a discount because you're a cunt ;)

[rowdytoot]

Mr weevil- depends if you want it rego'd or not... say $4.5 K as is, $5.5K with 12 months NSW rego- prolly needs new rear tyres for rego. Comes with tow bar- not currently fitted though.. almost no km on the LSD(built by Dr Rob the Diff Dr) new ish clutch. VS maloo seats, new headlining etc. It's s good thing, and I'd keep it if I could justify having it as well as the VT- but I'd never get to drive it!

[Coffin]

VS maloo seats, new headlining etc. It's s good thing, and I'd keep it if the Mrs wouldnt cut off my balls after she found out we "acquired" another rally car

Fixed.

Chris I can attest that the ute is pretty good, and the LSD is brand new. .. Pretty much did one big drive out to the Cotter in it, and then some skids in our old neighborhood

[rowdytoot]

yeah that too... actually I reckon could get away with keeping it, but life would be easier if I had the cash for the cage, sump guard & and fabrication work Rodney is going to do for me! :D

plus it means doing the ensuite reno sooner too- and I really want a bigger shower!

[rowdytoot]

just picked up a complete VY SS LSD rear end- disc to disc for 460 bucks- tomorrows job is to arrange to get it from adelaide to canberra....

[Coffin]

Sweet!! ... I'm not in the office tomorrow though mate

[rowdytoot]

update- age!

photos tomorrow!

rear spoiler ghetto painted in hammertone charcoal topside, satin black underside- superdodgy styleee.

I belted out the slight crumple in the passenger guard out this morning, and have spent the arvo sorting the interior wiring still got a coupla hours work to sort it out finish it off.

Have got hold of a battery isolator, will work that out during the week, along with the battery relocation.

am planning on getting some neg on the fronts next weekend hopefully!




the P/S is bled finally,

[rowdytoot]

OK photo time :D

done as attachments cos I'm feeling lazy! :D

aerotech flush bonnet pins- they're fiddly as to install, require lots of cutting- the underside of the bonnet ain't pretty, but meh...

ghetto sprayed rear spoiler- satin black underneath (turned out uber shite) so I used some charcoal hammertone spray on the upper side and that turned out pretty OK think for 10 minutes with a piece of sand paper, 2 coats of primer, and about 4 of colour. All done on an oily tarp in my driveway!

rear bumper is on now, and fits lovely I've dispensed with most of the factory mounts, and only using the 2 through the boot wall- it's only light so it hands on fine.

I got a little more neg on the front on sunday arvo- on one side anyway, definately possible to get a heap more.

Hopefully during the week I'll have time finish the wiring stuff off (removing rear power door locks, and window wiring and stuff) leaving the w/end to make extinguisher mounts, a battery clamp, and a shield for the radiator overflow, and get the seat back in it!

last image for comparison- an F40 :D

[HoonBoy]

Launceston?

[rowdytoot]

yup :D I assume it's Chas Kellys car.. it was teh sex.... my missus has a photo of me in PF T shirt standing next to it

[rowdytoot]

OK decision has been made to remove the power locking& windows from the rear doors - simplifying wiring stuff, saving more weight too :D

Have sourced (ta Damo and the boys) some nice fat battery cable for the battery relocation.

have also decided that I won't bother with alu sheilds for the radiator overflow (lives in the front guard in front of the wheel) I'll get some kevlar and lay that up instead.

[rowdytoot]

man I should have removed the rear door power stuff days ago. All of a sudden sorting out the wiring became MUCH easier. Still have power locking and windows in the front though :D I'll make the loom all pretty when it's out of the car for the cage build.

made an extinguisher mount this arvo- really simple! 4 holes in a bit of aluminium strap, and a bend on one end

refitted the front bumper.

refitted the drivers seat- but then noticed that I'd left it at an odd height/squab angle before I removed it- and the squab and height are power adjustments. will have to hit it with 12 V tomorrow!

tomorrow it's time to build a battery clamp, an ECU mount/brackets/ power window switch bracket etc.

[rowdytoot]

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[Jim]

it looks a bit....auto....

[rowdytoot]

yeah fuck off cunt ;)

almost got at T5 for it the other day.

VY rear end will be here on monday :D

Am getting new rotors and pads for it from GSL.

[Jim]

do you canberrans know how to drive a manual? I've heard stories.... :p

[rowdytoot]

do you canberrans know how to drive a manual? I've heard stories.... :p

1st and only Auto car I've owned jimbo, and the only reason it's auto is cos they never made manual L67s :( give me a few weeks though :D

[rowdytoot]

got a bit more done on the VT yesterday- battery clamp complete and ECU mount mostly made- just gotta tidy up some wiring, and nicely finish some edges, then quick vacuum and, then brakes(pads/rotors/bleed), alignment etc. Add a sticker ninja sticker too!

I took it for a quick blat up the street yesterday, and it single pegs big style as soon as you hit full throttle :D Will be MUCH better with the LSD rear end in it, but will bag up more in a lower ratio!

[rowdytoot]

hrmmm discovered leaking radiator.. will have to source a replacement

[rowdytoot]

Radiator arrived today, VY rear end arrived today- courier dude was awesome :D

will fit radiator on sunday and bleed cooling system. will be working on it most nights next week too.

[rowdytoot]

OK time for a list of things before sunday.

1) fix thermo mounts
2) bleed cooling system
3) top up auto trans
4) tidy up interior/ wiring -P Clips to sills
5) tidy up ECU mount
6) bleed brakes/install brake pads/radius rod bushes (if they arrive)
7) wheel align (home)
8) check handbrake adjustment (seems weird)
9) check diff oil
10) clean up engine bay
11) install bluetooth GPS receiver (5Hz)
12) fab a mount/power for N96 to log speed etc.

not much really!

[rowdytoot]

The list is coming down!

6) bleed brakes/install discs brake pads/radius rod bushes (discs and pads arrive today,maybe radius rod bushes too!)
7) wheel align (home)
8) check handbrake adjustment (seems weird)
9) check diff oil
10) clean up engine bay
11) install bluetooth GPS receiver (5Hz)
12) fab a mount/power for N96 to log speed etc.

Should be able to get it all done on saturday morning

[rowdytoot]

front brakes installed :D
didn't get the radius rod bushes.

max'd out the neg camber on the front- I have about 1 degree neg at full suspension droop- which should mean 2.5 at least at ride height..

going to do the rear brakes now, and then bleed everything.

feeling quite edgy about having a drive ;)

[Coffin]

I want to see skids tomorrow

[buzz]

Skids or drifts. Or both.

Will try and get out for a look. Good luck with the debut. Hopefully the forcast of heat won't be a problem.

[buzz]

Crikey... it actually made it there, and ran... and did skids.

I agree with Damo, its gonna cost you a fortune in rally tyres once it hits the forests.

[rowdytoot]

Vids are currently encoding at home. Will have them up on jewtube or something tonight.

Not a bad day out.

Once again struck scrutes who have NFI about the general requirements, and was told that as my car was unreg'd it HAD to have a cage, 4 point harness and rear firewall, I played it dumb, and said, oh I didn't realise etc etc. So they let me run.

I double checked the manual when I got home-cages, 4 pt harnesses etc, and aren't required til State and above for unreg'd cars in hillclimbs- although that just proves that the speed event rules are bizzare- cos you could run the same car with reg, and not be required to have a cage etc. I have NFI how you can justify that on a risk basis- Rego'd cars are safer in crashes??? I guess it just reinforces my view that Tar baby regs are a special kind of misguided in some instances.

The other amusing comment the scrute had was that 'the wiring was shithouse' it was pretty had to resist "it's the factory wiring, just doesn't have the pretty plastic covers on it..." but I did!

nonetheless they let me run.

Slow(didn't get over 100 km/hr - came close on one of the early runs), ill handling, no traction (completely worn road rubber and an open diff),auto never new what gear to be in, amusing enough. It's a long day for sub 5 minutes of driving though. I don't think I can come up with an event that involves less driving in a 7 hour competition day- next time won't bother hillclimbing- will go to wakefield.

Was good to catch up with Buzz, lobby, shell, and of course Simsy and Damo :D

Oh and now I leave the Vt alone for a few weeks- and get the VS and the Gemini ready for sale so I have the $$ to pay Rodney for the cage, seam welding, sump guard, rear firewall, VY Xmember strengthening, K frame plating etc.

[Chris5Ltr]

Yes got to see many skids, and I got it all on camera :D

[rowdytoot]

yeah man- thanks for taking the videos :D

[Dave75]

Where is the fuel tank [& filler pipe] located in a FuckinWooshodore?

If the tank is under the boot floor & the filler pipe is enclosed in a "fire proof cover ,then NO rear bulkhead is required. If the tank or any other part of the fuelling system [surge tank,pump,fuel lines,filter] is inside the boot ,then a sealed /fireproof bulkhead must be fitted. Sched.B.11

[Chris5Ltr]

yeah man- thanks for taking the videos :D

Any time buddy :)

[rowdytoot]

Where is the fuel tank [& filler pipe] located in a FuckinWooshodore?

If the tank is under the boot floor & the filler pipe is enclosed in a "fire proof cover ,then NO rear bulkhead is required. If the tank or any other part of the fuelling system [surge tank,pump,fuel lines,filter] is inside the boot ,then a sealed /fireproof bulkhead must be fitted. Sched.B.11

tank is under the boot floor, filler pipe isn't inside the boot either. so their was no need :D if push came to shove I was going to go through the manual with them, in detail... would have been fun!

Additionally even if the filler pipe was in the boot, if the car was road rego'd there would be no requirement to have a 'firewall'! If the interior was all in place- the rear seat folds down,the parcel shelf and seat back have so many vent holes in them, they may as well be swiss chesese, and the seats ares is made of flammable materials. In my view having or not having a seat in place is neither here in a standard fuel system road car.

When the car gets caged etc, a 100 litre fuel cell, pumps and surge tank will live in the boot, and will definately be firewalled :D

You know I hate to point this out Dave, but both the Speed event bit and Shed A and B are incredibly inconsistent in their approach fro no reasonable safety reasons and unncessarily lead to confusion for all :D

[HoonBoy]

I double checked the manual when I got home-cages, 4 pt harnesses etc, and aren't required til State and above for unreg'd cars in hillclimbs- although that just proves that the speed event rules are bizzare- cos you could run the same car with reg, and not be required to have a cage etc. I have NFI how you can justify that on a risk basis- Rego'd cars are safer in crashes??? I guess it just reinforces my view that Tar baby regs are a special kind of misguided in some instances.

I've had the same complaint recently... no idea how a number plate and sticker make the car safer.

Now don't get me started on rally rego...

[rowdytoot]

as long as you're not running state or above Speed events, it is irrelevant in any case, time for more for education of officials I think :D

[Dave75]

tank is under the boot floor, filler pipe isn't inside the boot either. so their was no need :D if push came to shove I was going to go through the manual with them, in detail... would have been fun!

Additionally even if the filler pipe was in the boot, if the car was road rego'd there would be no requirement to have a 'firewall'! If the interior was all in place- the rear seat folds down, is made of flammable materials so not having a seat in place is no better or worse in any case.

You know I hate to point this out Dave, but both the Speed event bit and Shed A and B are incredibly inconsistent in their approach fro no reasonable safety reasons and unnecessarily lead to confusion for all :D

Nah... you enjoy pointing it out :D......I do have a good sense of humour luckily & I do agree that the Cams "book" isn't all it should be.
I/we don't get uptight about things like that over here [Hillclimb&sprint only]...if there is "daylight " visible through the cabin floor/boot floor/rear bulkhead ,we TELL,not ask, the the driver to tape the holes B4 issuing the OK.
There is plenty of latitude given & we are definitely "Fair but Consistant"
We keep a record of ALL faults found on non Log Booked cars ...3 strikes ...they are not "OUT" ,but it WILL be fixed properly B4 they get passed,which I feel is fair enough.{you may not] Non Race events are all for a "day out".to enjoy a track /hill without rubbing too much paint off [unless it is self inflicted!]

Circuit Racing on the other hand is definitely more to the book , especially when a Steward is looking over your shoulder.
EG: A top running Under 2litre IPRA car...Doing a Targetted Scrutiny Audit last Sunday...had a "baked beans sized tin" for an Oil Catch Tank.
The specs. state that the tank will be 2 litres for up to 2000cc ,3litres if over.
I should have put a "fail" for that which would have meant a visit from the Stewards & a note in his Log Book to be rectified by the next meeting. I know the driver & he Knows me...I explained the rule & even recommended an easy fix to fit in the space .Next time I see his car I will have a look. Is that fair or not?:D
**** the last 10 events he did were all in the eastern states!! & not picked up at his last 2 Audits, but as you said , they wanted a rollcage & harness in your "F..W...odore"..slack & that crap would not occur in SA.:wtf:

[rowdytoot]

Dave- indeed- I agreed with all of that.. (and that's gotta be a 1st!) :D

I expect when I go rallying that things will be looked at properly. and circuit racing for sure- the risk is much larger!

baked beans tin sized - geez.. on the FWodore I'm just going to run the factory breather system cos finding somewhere to fit a 3 litre catch can is just hard work! :D

BTW I have NAFFs for every event I've ever done in the gemini and I make sure my car is compliant- I always read the regs closely. Once when I was 1st starting out a nice scrute very nicely pick up a loose bolt on the steering coupling- I went outside, droped the sump guard, undid everything, did it all back up nicely and represented, no drama.- I then proceeded to drive the car up a bank at 100 km/hr and DNF the event, and bent everything in the front end- rails, Xmember, rack, control arms,(all plated & gussetted) and the LHS hub carrier!

[Dave75]

*1* Dave- indeed- I agreed with all of that.. (and that's gotta be a 1st!) :D

*2* BTW I have NAFFs for every event I've ever done in the gemini and I make sure my car is compliant- I always read the regs closely.

Thanks mate!!:worship:
I'm sure you do!;)
You have to 'enter 'your car onto the Targetted Scrutiny Audit System.
then has to be done at least every 5th event. We do the cars that are due + any others up to 25% of the entries [ Circuit only,not Speed/non Speed]

[rowdytoot]

yeah see at rallies, every car gets scrutineered every time it competes. Targetted Scrute is a good idea though.

[hrd]

...auto never new what gear to be in, amusing enough.


not as amusing as doing a hillclimb in 'drive'

[rowdytoot]

I tried in D, I tried manually shifting, I tried leaving it in 2nd after I smoked it up off the line, and I tried the "POWER button" :D

even if you manually shifted with the power button on it'd still downshift to 1st coming out of the RH'er to go up the hill... but not before...

can't wait to get a manual box in the thing :D might have found one cheap at tumut :D

[rowdytoot]

I'm going to keep the 'POWER' button even when it's manual, and then get damo to go '' Hit the POWER button uleh' if I'm going too slow!

Even though the exhaust is a twin 2.5 into 3 inch it's still waaay too quiet.. I think it needs 3's into 3.5 with no mufflers and to dump though the rear bumper will be easy once the fuel tank comes out :D

'MMoooooooooooooooooooooo"

[Dave75]

In rally, I don't think a catch can is required if all the special stages are on dirt.Transport stage ,the car reverts to a "road reg vehicle" under the relevant State Road Rules. [May be wrong there:D...I only do the Classic Adelaide & that is all Tarmac...depends on the particular class the car is competing in.?? I am not doing the Classic this year because of "a disagreement" with the Chief Scrute regarding a Ferrari driver's helmet ....no AS or other stickers apart from a E13 sticker inside.:huh:..No such certification in the book. E22 & 3 amendments,yes. On googling "E13" that night I found that "E13" is the name of the Chinese Helmet factory,but he approved it.
I got shitted off when he rejected a VW drivers helmet for a very minor scratch.Rally Scrutes are not members of the SA Motor Sports Scrutineers Assn.,we only help out with Classic because of the number of entries.
You would really enjoy them, Rowds.:)
Too fucking hot anyway !!

[rowdytoot]

Hi dave,

catch cans are required in rallies if crankcase is venting to atmosphere.

I remember you saying about the E13 thing at the time- that's dodgy- ferrari dude surely could afford a Stilo or something nice?? God knows I'd be wearing a carbon Stilo if i could afford a fezza :D

It's about time I got a new skid lid- I've been wearing this one for 6 years, and it's go so many scuff marks and little dings from getting in and out of the car hundreds of times..

oh yeah, I'm sure I'd love them... Can't wait til smee goes rallying down there in his familia - I'm sure he'll have some stories :D

[Euroboost]

Knowing Smee I'm sure he'll end up teaching some scruits how to do things, advantage of being a scruit under JW is you get to see how anal about shit you can be.
Speaking of anal, I still remember a certain brown RX2 causing shit over it's black doorplates.

[msmola2002]

then there was the lancia driver in the east coast classic a few years back that cut the top of his helmet off them painted the styro black so he could fit in his lancia... saw some pics of that one, classy mod :p

[rowdytoot]

the most anal I've seen JW be about my car is ' do you reckon you can stop using the seat with the big tear in it by the next rally"

No worries JW. it's shitting me to tears..

done!

[Teamgemini]

the most anal I've seen JW be about my car is ' do you reckon you can stop using the seat with the big tear in it by the next rally"

No worries JW. it's shitting me to tears..

done!

Geeze I might make sure there is regional scrutineering available if I'm heading down to Canberra. Sounds like JW would cry if he saw my car...

When you looking at selling the gem rowds? Any spares I could buy?

[rowdytoot]

hahah... :D

when Chris5ltr gives me back my front guard- all painted :D..

At this stage the spares go with the car, but there would be a few things around if whoever buys it doesn't want them... wanna buy the car?? :D

[Teamgemini]

Maybe, ours looks like swiss cheese atm. Is it still in Canberra? I'm heading down for the natcap on saturday.

[rowdytoot]

yeah it's still in canberra, but I'll be out of town. ;)

shell is pretty good for a 10 ish year old rally car... depending what you want to take from it in terms of seats/intercom/trip meter etc we can talk on $$ :D

[Teamgemini]

Not sure what i would need, was kind of thinking maybe getting the lot so I could put the left over stuff in the excel, but after the weekend I am seriously considering getting something 4wd and turbocharged.

[rowdytoot]

kp0jJV4OtLo

[buzz]

Looked good on the vid, pity I could only stay out for the one run where we gave you the big cheer as you drifted it over the top of the hill.

I think there is a mg motorkhana on the 22nd (http://www.mgcccanberra.org.au/Club%20Events/Club%20Events.htm). Could be a thinly veiled excuse for more tyre abuse. (Though the 'Marques in the Park is also on that day.)

[rowdytoot]

in a piece of annoying timing the castor bushes were attempted to be delivered yesterday as was the OBDII-USD connector, and EFIlive software...

I picked them up today.. will play with EFILive logging stuff over the next coupla nights out of interest, and talk to Impakt about getting his ecudatascan thing working for VT ECUs

[rowdytoot]

http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs088.snc3/15559_183173638455_696578455_3084628_7226943_n.jpg

[rowdytoot]

looks like I might have found some front bilstein coil overs on ebay- just have to wait now... ;)

I'm thinking about going to OP GP in mid january if I can scam a day off...& get some tyres for the stupid thing

[rowdytoot]

just did some calc's at work for the T5 conversion.

Looks like the 3.45 diff ratio I already have, ready to go it will be ideal, gives top speeds in gear of 54, 89, 137, 177, and 246 km/hr at 5000 rpm,
and the drop from 5000 rpm going up the gears is to 3000, 3300, 3800, and 3500 rpm, which is waaay in the heart of torque curve.

I note that based on auto trans calcs that hitting the limiter in 1stwith the 3.07 gears as I did at the hill climb is about 75 km/hr and 120 in 2nd.

Oran park GP will be fun with the auto.. should only need to use 2nd and 3rd.

[xwavgas]

http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs088.snc3/15559_183173638455_696578455_3084628_7226943_n.jpg

That actually looks like pretty good fun on that track, Where is that located?

[Coffin]

Sutton Road Hillclimb, Canberra

[xwavgas]

Cool as, looks like something I could see the xw getting into except in WA.

[Swill]

you'll need a lower diff for the bush brother Rowds

[buzz]

That actually looks like pretty good fun on that track, Where is that located?

Here (http://www.sdmahillclimb.com) - tight little hillclimb track. Used by Duttons a few times. Good for the local closet tarmac monkeys.
;)

Am very keen to see this come together, is a real sensible old project witha totally practical and 'normal' car.

[rowdytoot]

another pic from sutton rd.

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww110/cumminsracing/SDMA%20Hillclimb%2015-11-09/IMG_9063.jpg

Going to try and get it out on dirt at a khana before christmas. Might try and get the LSD into it before then.

[xwavgas]

Cool cheers for the link Buzz.

[Euroboost]

Here (http://www.sdmahillclimb.com) - tight little hillclimb track. Used by Duttons a few times. Good for the local closet tarmac monkeys.
;)

Am very keen to see this come together, is a real sensible old project witha totally practical and 'normal' car.

Being built by a complete and utter nutter!

[rowdytoot]

Being built by a complete and utter nutter!

are you casting aspersions on my sanity EB??

definately hitting the dirt on the 19th of December :D still auto.

going to get new engine mounts for it tomorrow, fit the adjustable radius rod bushes and play with the EFIlive stuff

[Chris5Ltr]

hahah... :D

when Chris5ltr gives me back my front guard- all painted :D..


Don't forget to message me tomorrow morning, feel free to use a lot of cunt and fuck words. :p

[rowdytoot]

got the radius rod bushes in yesterday- now running 9.2 degrees caster on the front end :D

going to organise tyres & engine mounts tomorrow, and get some sway bar links for shits and giggles

will need to see if I can get hold of a VY tailshaft as well to fit the LSD

[rowdytoot]

sway bar links and stuff installed.

Also had to trim the front bar cos it's running so much caster!!!

decided engine mounts can wait til it gets pulled apart for caging, but I have them in the shed. suspect I will be modifying them slightly- probably injecting them with urethane before they go in.

T5 gearbox has been picked up from nowra by a fellow rallyist, and will in canberra tomorrow.

rally tyres are currently being fitted up to my spare rims. Will put on car tonight if they are done. Will also work out how I want to mount the gopro HD

off to the khanacross on Saturday, and then OP GP on the 14th of Jan :D

[rowdytoot]

brake caliper clearance with the VS 15s..

http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs088.snc3/15559_207038233455_696578455_3216562_6733361_n.jpg

rally tyres uleh

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs088.snc3/15559_207038238455_696578455_3216563_686568_n.jpg

just have to work out where the gopro goes tomorrow and get the trailer, and we're good to go :D

[buzz]

Still on target for the khana then?

[rowdytoot]

yup, will be there with bells on :D
could do with another 3 inches of ride height in the front though!

[buzz]

Stuff a duck that was dusty out there today! Car seemed to go very well.

[rowdytoot]

yeah was happy with the car..did manage to break the radiator overflow reservior though which lead to the car getting a bit hot a couple of times.

very handly the dash display says " HOT!!" when it gets hot!!

really needs an LSD, and the manual box to go in...

A few little things to do before Oran park in january :D

PS - provisional results I saw at one point had me faster than one Bates,N. in a jap import IS200 :D

[rowdytoot]

I wacked on the gopro HD camera I got a few weeks back for the khanacross yesterday and have uploaded video.

Appologies for the shakyness- seems the gopro mounts really ain't up to the task, although the camera performed quite well.

http://www.youtube.com/rowdyrallysport - see here for vids..

Car was mostly great all day- turns in surprisingly well for something so big and heavy, but the lack of a slippery diff kills it out of the tight stuff.

did manage to crack/hole the radiator overflow tank at some point, which lead to a bit of overheating but sorted that out. (wasn't helped by the 33 C ambient temperature, and the low speed of everthing)

I knew it was a risk leaving it in the stock location with no protection. Will have to make a shield for it, or wait til I relocate the battery and move it into the engine bay.

Hopefully there will be some photos of the car in action at some point.

My mum came out to watch me drive for the 1st time ever, and said it looked good... her partner Geoff thought it as tops, but far too fucking hot and dusty!

[Coffin]

Dude looks good ..... sounds uber shit tho!

You need a DASH like mine .. it says "Fuck you" when I turn it on

[rowdytoot]

needs two less mufflers and 'high flow' cats :D

you can't hear anything in the car with helmet on...

[choppo]

Dude looks good ..... sounds uber shit tho!

Says it all really - the vid sound that is

[rowdytoot]

Says it all really - the vid sound that is

go eat a dick

superimposed the GPS datalog trace on it on of the runs this morning to see how it looks not fast.... ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVfCYZWMwNA

[Coffin]

needs more "triple cunting rabbit" being yelled from the meat ballast seat :)

[rowdytoot]

needs more "triple cunting rabbit" being yelled from the meat ballast seat :)

sure does mate... sure does :D

[rowdytoot]

OK so I went to an Oran Park GP driver training/track day just before it closed. Thanks to Boz, Mick Ryan and their crew for running it - tops day out, nice to catch up with all the rally dudes- MattyA, Monkhouse, pRic Cary et al. Shared a garage with Kohler and had epic lols. Kohler was punting his weber fed Datto 1600 around in semis in the low 1:27s, and having a ball.

I went with low expectations of both my ability on tar and the car, and came back feeling suitably meh with a 1:35 on road tyres, and 200,000 km old suspension.... had fun chasing a dude in M5 estate on semis though

Car chucked it's guts up after the 1st session, but a quick refill and bled and it ran OK for the second session, but started to misfire in the 3rd, 4th and I only did about 3 laps in the 5th cos it had no power at all. Powertrain light is on on the dash. I'll have to get the laptop hooked up this week to read the codes.

I finally got around to putting some of the in car up. Go Pro HD. youtube has fucked the session 2 videos converting them from widescreen to 4:3 for some reason, even though they are native widescreen videos... GRRR...

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=rowdyrallysport#p/u/2/6WF-Eq4OeNQ

just go to my channel and watch Session 1, Session 2 part 2, and session 5. If you run session 1 in HD full screen you can read the GPS speed on my phone on the dash. Session 2 has the GPS log overlayed, and Session 5 I haven't got to yet- not much point it was sloooowww...

[rowdytoot]

spent some time on teh wooshodore today... checking out the error codes etc. thanks to EFILive V4- nice to be able to sit and monitor voltages, and pick up error codes on the lappy :D

seems like the RH O2 sensor is stuffed- so have ordered a new one (4 wire on the fuckinwooshmang engine)

Discovered a bent pin on the MAF connector was not letting the connector go in properly so fixed that.

then found the source of the misfire- #1 spark plug lead is stuffed, and is not really connected somewhere in the middle... hence not much spark at the plug...

also has suspect LIM gaskets, but will wait til the engine comes out for the cage to fix that up

[rowdytoot]

photos by Matt Mead

some pics - hopefully the facebook link works!

http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs143.snc3/17036_301274638455_696578455_3586039_4034782_n.jpg

http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs143.snc3/17036_301274538455_696578455_3586027_2625815_n.jpg

http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs143.snc3/17036_301274558455_696578455_3586030_4124779_n.jpg

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs123.snc3/17036_301274648455_696578455_3586040_6462439_n.jpg


going out to the shed now to fit new leads and plugs to hopefully cure the mis fire... then pull the new LSD apart to have a look to see if I need to take it to Dr Rob :D

[xwavgas]

Sweet write up Rowds, I agree with the comment earlier that this is a sensible, reasonably cheap form of motorsport, that looks like heaps of fun!!

Can't believe you bashed it round the dirt pipe sans LSD!!

[rowdytoot]

yeah it sucked sans LSD.. with all the rain on the w/end I got nothing done diff wise, but will think seriously about having a look tonight after dinner..

have cured the misfire though. Goddamn it's nice to be able to plug the laptop in, read the error codes, change a sensor, replace leads, & clear the codes and have full grunt back.

Very close to having the VS ute ready for sale, once that's rego'd and sold, it'll be a full strip, and off to Lochleigh Ent. for it's cage, plating etc. etc.

Should be caged, and manual for sub 10 K including purchase price...

[RB30-POWER]

i was always meaning to ask how did you go about collecting gps data and overlaying it?

what hardware and software is required?

[rowdytoot]

hey i use racechrono software on my nokia phone which logs from a 5 hz bluetooth receiver that i bought from mz21
once i have the racechrono log i export it from the phone and use chrono2avi to record an avi of the gps log i then use adobe premiere to overlay the gps avi on the video

[rowdytoot]

oh today i cleaned up the lsd for the vt and re sealed it so i can fit it
on the down side i accidentally broke the windscreen on the vs ute