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Had this a while, almost sold it, got it towed to the workshop while I find somehwere to store it for a coupla years.
Looked over it last night when it got here & along with Sean decided it has far too much potential to sell it for SFA, there is probably $10k worth of chassis in the thing alone, not to mention all the other gear.
It's fucking tiny, has a 72" wheelbase.
Chassis is done, most of the suspension is done, I have all the interior tinwork etc, coilovers, brakes etc.
Also got all the external trim, lights, bumpers, the doors, bootlid & bonnet are upstairs along with a fair lump of the mechanicals.
Very long term project - I won't even start on it until we have a functional drag strip.
It looks like shit, but really all the chassis needs is a sand blast & powder coat, the body is just draped over the chassis, it lifts off - so no strength required, so it just needs a blast/dip, a few liberal doses of 'glass & a coat of satin black.
It's much closer to finished than it looks.
Plan (at this stage) is to fit the TT308 out of the tonner - provided it's still alive when the time comes. Either way it'll get a turbo holden V8 of some description.
It weighs SFA, will probably come in under 2000lbs when finished, with 600 odd HP it'll run easy 8's - if I've got the balls to drive it!
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Euroboost
24-06-09, 10:19 AM
You sir are an evil cunt!
One half of me wants to kill you for messing with one of these, worked for an Italian workshop in highschool and we had a couple of dozen of these bastards.
The other half loves it as it gives what is a lovely looking car some real balls. And fixes most of the problems with them, except the rust although this thing looks bloody near rust free!
It cost me $2500 a couple of years ago, needs more time than $$ to finish it - 8's for $15k?
Far from rust free - the door jambs are rooted, I suspect that's why it ended up as a drag car, not worth salvaging as a road car!
Euroboost
24-06-09, 10:24 AM
You should have seen some of the shit we worked on then. Worst was the one the owner leaned against the guard and it collapsed. He was planning on doing an Abarth conversion on it as well!
blackbart
24-06-09, 10:28 AM
About time this thread started.
LOL, just found the last rego sticker on the windscreen upstairs - it has an SA rego history, I could register it today if I wanted.....
I have all the lights, indicators etc - now that'd be fun.
i think you should get it dipped and painted.
would make an amazing difference to your enthusiasm for the car if it at least looked good!
dress it up and paint it in fruity colours and roll it out the front as a promo :)
So it will have a 72' wheel base and 600hp, make sure it has as little a tyre as possible under it to make it interesting. :D
Turbos_R_Us
24-06-09, 10:12 PM
hey TK hate to burst ur bubble but if u want the car ANDRA legal, u won't be able to turbo a 308
direct quote from ANDRA rule book
"Cars from 2006.6mm (79 inches) - 2260.6mm (89 inches) are restricted to a maxium of blown sixes and fours up to 250 cubic inch capacity or single four barrel v8's to 310 cubic inches"
Gavatron
24-06-09, 10:26 PM
Fuck yeah. I had hoped this would be the outcome of it rocking up at the workshop.
Dansedgli
24-06-09, 10:35 PM
hey TK hate to burst ur bubble but if u want the car ANDRA legal, u won't be able to turbo a 308
direct quote from ANDRA rule book
"Cars from 2006.6mm (79 inches) - 2260.6mm (89 inches) are restricted to a maxium of blown sixes and fours up to 250 cubic inch capacity or single four barrel v8's to 310 cubic inches"
Turbo BA 4 litre?
Gavatron
24-06-09, 10:46 PM
It's not even in that range @ 72 inches. Does that restrict it even more?
Turbos_R_Us
24-06-09, 11:16 PM
It's not even in that range @ 72 inches. Does that restrict it even more?
i'm not sure but i can ask a few people who might know
tripper
24-06-09, 11:37 PM
Turbo BA 4 litre?
Fuck yeah, i think there is a cortina doing some stupidly low passes on a turbo 250, also i think they are pushing out low 10's perhaps a 9 in the BA set up, subtract a couple of hundred KG and its got to be near a 8 second run in a car such as this
tripper
24-06-09, 11:40 PM
It's not even in that range @ 72 inches. Does that restrict it even more?
i'm not sure but i can ask a few people who might know
another question if it has been given the OK before would it still stand like the circuit boys and alloy cages for example
would you be able to find out the previous engine combo?
how long is the gemini wheel base?
out_in_front
25-06-09, 12:21 AM
20B
You know it makes sense
direct quote from ANDRA rule book
"Cars from 2006.6mm (79 inches) - 2260.6mm (89 inches) are restricted to a maxium of blown sixes and fours up to 250 cubic inch capacity or single four barrel v8's to 310 cubic inches"
Dang, I knew I would be restricted to 310 cubes max, but didn't know it had to be NA.
Ah well, will have to run a 2J or a VG30 or something - V6 would probably fit better, I reckon the covers on a 2J would hang a fair way out the bonnet & length could (will) be an issue.
Maybe a 3VZFE, or a 1UZ - 1UZ would be cheap enough, under 250 cubes & a V8, pretty bulky tho.
Maybe a slightly destroked 253 - LOL.
Other option is a screamer NA VN head 308 - but that'd cost real coin.
Turbo BA 4 litre?
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Too big Jim, just physically to big, most of the motor would be out in the breeze.
Thinking VG30 for cheap fasts - doesn't need balistic power, 600HP will be plenty.
soft. and you recon you don't know what you can't do... :p
what about a 380 motor? Being in adieladieieldede they should be all over the place and they seem to go pretty hard
what about a 380 motor? Being in adieladieieldede they should be all over the place and they seem to go pretty hard
could be interesting...
Meh, plenty of time to mull it over, not like I actually intend to do anything anytime soon!
Another option would be to hang on to the twin T3 setup off the ute when I go to the single, then build a de-stroked 253 with SJ chev 5.7" rods to get it under 250 cubes.
Run a blow through carb on some shit intake & crank as much boost as those T3's will make down it.
Should be capable of making the 600hp required with E85 & no cooler.
Dirt cheap to build, got plenty of bits laying around & saves on the cost of a new turbo setup.
Fuck that'd be funny, an 8 second 253.
Yeah, actually the 253 option is sounding good, just for the cheap factor & the WTF factor, I've even got the makings of a pretty good trimatic - which should cope given the weight of the thing.
Fucking many, many LOL's running that fast on a boat anchor.
morerevsm3
25-06-09, 11:34 AM
turbo 3.0 or 3.2 M3 motor is capable of easy 700+hp, but a S/H engine is 6k, there is a 328i in the states running 147mph in a 3000lb car with stock rods,pistons and crank...
what would be the best solution for marketing your business?
Fuck yeah, i think there is a cortina doing some stupidly low passes on a turbo 250, also i think they are pushing out low 10's perhaps a 9 in the BA set up, subtract a couple of hundred KG and its got to be near a 8 second run in a car such as this
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out_in_front
26-06-09, 01:50 PM
"Cars from 2006.6mm (79 inches) - 2260.6mm (89 inches) are restricted to a maxium of blown sixes and fours up to 250 cubic inch capacity or single four barrel v8's to 310 cubic inches"
I dont think a blown small capacity V8 fits - it says that it must be 6's and 4's that can be blown and NA V8's up to 310ci
Doesn't mention anything about blown v8's below 250ci.
Would a VG30DETT fit? put some decent turbo's out the hood like that torrie..
Paydirt
26-06-09, 02:46 PM
There's a VG30DET 1200 running up here. I'm not 100% but I think it is an unopened motor, running 9 flat. Very similar kind of setup to the Fiat. Do it. :)
I'm thinking that what will get you the most exposure for the money. You do a fast 253 and I say meh! Do a fast *something interesting* and I pay attn...do a fiat engine in the fiat etc?
Euroboost
26-06-09, 04:15 PM
Fiat engine with big power usually means 16 valve headed 2liter. They aren't cheap. A 253, especially destroked, with boost would get a WTF? from all and sundry. More so when it shames bigger engines.
Shame the chassis is set up for front engine. If this was a built from scratch I would have said mid or rear mounted EJ20 with some of your demon heads and a monster snail, like that big bugger you've got in you office already.
Ok, sounds like a forced induction small V8 is out, so it's gotta be 4 or 6 banger - fuck 4 bangers, that makes it a 6.
A straight 6 won't fit real well, so gotta be V6.
So, V6, cheap, able to take boost without too much fucking around & on mostly stock parts.
Gotta be a toyo V6 when it comes down to it.
Nero - anything wierd costs $$ for parts, we're talking cheap here!
Yeah, can't do EJxx subi - it just won't fit, too damn wide!
Maybe on the 253...if it worked. But still might not advertise TK's services well.
VQ30DET
narrower than VG and ready for boost and lighter than VG by 35kgs or so.
Hmm you have PM might have something of interest.
Euroboost
26-06-09, 04:43 PM
Mitsu 6G73 DOHC from 3000GT? I've heard that with a bit of parts swapping a RWD 3.8 DOHC twin turbo is possible using 100% Mitsubishi bits.
lysdexia
26-06-09, 05:02 PM
commodore v6 with some ridiculous snails on it?
would be cheap(ish) and easy..
VQ30DETs are pretty cheap nowdays, VG not such a bad option either
how big are the rear tires on it in the pics? (just as a sort of comparison to see how tiny the thing really is..)
sketchypiMp
26-06-09, 05:33 PM
Do not put moo, turbo or otherwise into this thing. No commodore v6 for this!
I dont know my italian old school stuff very well, but what about possibly using an alfa 2.5 v6 from the GTV or even a 3l v6 from the 164? You can pick up a complete 164 for fuck all, I would imagine with your fab skills you could knock up a bellhousing to adapt a quailty auto to suit. Dunno how the engines respond to boost though.
Would be great to keep it in the euro/italian family.
Do not put moo, turbo or otherwise into this thing. No commodore v6 for this!
I dont know my italian old school stuff very well, but what about possibly using an alfa 2.5 v6 from the GTV or even a 3l v6 from the 164? You can pick up a complete 164 for fuck all, I would imagine with your fab skills you could knock up a bellhousing to adapt a quailty auto to suit. Dunno how the engines respond to boost though.
Would be great to keep it in the euro/italian family.
given that it originally was a rear engined rear drive thing, id' say that whatever it ends up being will be so far removed from the original that using an italian engine just because its an italian car would be about as worthwhile as a tonsil transplant.
although a ferrari F40 turbo V8 would suit your capacity/wheelbase requirement, and be uber cool AND italian and exceptionally cost effective
I was initially thinking 5vz-fe or similar, with a low front mount turbo and stumpy glide to keep it nice and far back.
Then i had ideas about trying to replicate the group b rally audi 5 cylinder noise by using a ovlov 5 cylinder / liberty etc for something real different on an aussie drag strip.
out_in_front
26-06-09, 07:26 PM
I would think that weight might be a good thing in the front of this car - even with wheelie bars the front wheels are going to attempt to fly...
VQ30DET would be sweet. I have one here for evaluation purposes if you want Tony. :D
They are very compact, the opposite to a VG.
Here's my thread on the one I picked up for a couple of hundred.
http://www.performanceforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67243396&highlight=vq30
BoganDAVE
26-06-09, 09:07 PM
This needs to be done in alfa/ferrari red (what ever that is)
6VD1 3.2l out of a holden frontera/rodeo, frontera had 150kw quad cam, from memory they had more than 2 bolt mains too.
thechuckster
27-06-09, 06:33 PM
5cyl ovlov would sound (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvdiA1YcQjM) pretty sweet.
I was initially thinking 5vz-fe or similar, with a low front mount turbo and stumpy glide to keep it nice and far back.
Then i had ideas about trying to replicate the group b rally audi 5 cylinder noise by using a ovlov 5 cylinder / liberty etc for something real different on an aussie drag strip.
Scott your phones ringing.... but yeah they sound sooooo sweet
At the end of the day build your car to run a number not buy a rule book. old school cool... my 2 cents... eg not worth fark all
Chris5Ltr
27-06-09, 07:10 PM
Very cool, very different to!
Shame its more of a long term project, I want to see it finished!
youngy125
27-06-09, 09:25 PM
850 coupes are cool!!!
Rigoli has/had a 16v Fiat/Lancia engined one .
The site below says it's ran 10.7 @ 125mph and I think it was/is fully street regoed
http://www.carproductions.com.au/garage/ffdrag3s.jpg
http://www.tonyrigoliperformance.com.au/fiat-850_coupe.htm
moo's have run 7's now :)
holden v6.. tiny thing, big single.
greenhj
28-06-09, 11:36 AM
starfire4 and big fuckoff turbo
at least you know the rods are good :rotflol:
Only problem with a VG30DET is the injecters, they are some sort of bastard top/side feed thing. Other than that pretty good, Scat rods, adjustable cam gears, cams, oversize valves, all available.
Only thing with a drag car you may want to get the engine back so a custom front mount turbo may be the go, the stock X over exhaust goes behind the engine.
Euroboost
28-06-09, 05:20 PM
I was initially thinking 5vz-fe or similar, with a low front mount turbo and stumpy glide to keep it nice and far back.
Then i had ideas about trying to replicate the group b rally audi 5 cylinder noise by using a ovlov 5 cylinder / liberty etc for something real different on an aussie drag strip.
Ask Audineil about his plans involving a 20V Audi head and a Transporter TDI bottom end, and I suspect a big snail.
Think SportQuattro with bigger balls!
gat5rodeo
29-06-09, 05:22 PM
i know its a 4, but what about a turbo 3rz-fe?
just fricken 2j it and go 7s
Scoring numbers with a Commode V6 will get you good trade as every second bogan chick with a baby bonus drives one. But you will end up with a photoshoot in Street commodores with some pale underweight pancake titted trailer trash.
Numbers with a 2jz will see people with long arms and deep pockets knocking on your door, freakshow value, and photoshoots at car shows with big titted import tuna wenches.
HoonBoy
29-06-09, 11:09 PM
Do an NA+Lots of NOS setup. Different, fast and easy.
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