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wotmazda
09-12-09, 09:02 PM
As a few of you know,

I have recently joined a group of panelshops / smash repairers here in Sydney

I have always been a Mazda fan and a keen follower / supporter / racer of the 1/4 mile of black stuff

I had already started a project prior to this change, which I was trying to run a 10 for $10k and was making pretty good progress

Here was the car

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7233/bp6b1fbwkkgrhgookjcejll.jpg[/url

And I thought I was doing pretty well until I had a chassis bloke look at her - who showed me all of this

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/6098/workshop1109078.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/workshop1109078.jpg/)

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/5065/workshop1109079.jpg (http://img130.imageshack.us/i/workshop1109079.jpg/)

So after a bit of thought - we decided to throw the budget out the window and do this !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/7447/getattachment3o.jpg (http://img705.imageshack.us/i/getattachment3o.jpg/)

Will post updates of the nice new parts coming from the states and progress as we go

If the Mighty ALCHO12A can run a 8.1

Hopefully the PANELCORP RX3 can go quicker (with Steve, Dale, Dave, Chris, Rob and a heap of other guys support)

STAY TUNED

bigmuz
09-12-09, 09:31 PM
Are you a panel beater?

JayTHEFordman
09-12-09, 09:51 PM
Keep it poo brown and you're on a winner :)

wotmazda
10-12-09, 07:36 AM
Nah,

I am not a panelbeater myself

I have about 10 of them that work for us in 3 shops in NSW (if that helps)

Will put up some more pics of the bits that have arrived tonight

Cheers

Chris

Bermo
10-12-09, 12:24 PM
Why not buy ALCHO12A chassis and fix that?

Would save you a heap of $$

MIZ RX3
10-12-09, 12:43 PM
808 Mock up hehehe

10sec rx7
10-12-09, 05:00 PM
keen for this one.. this puppy is going straight into the 7sec zone!

wotmazda
10-12-09, 05:36 PM
I know Steve and ALCHO12A very well

It's not that I don't have the balls for a small tyre car - I just have the brains to build a big tyre one !!!

Steve will be heavily involved in this project, as will the boys at Castle Hill Exhaust / Performance and all those who helped Steve too

Yes it's an 808 - I am not going to cut up a GEN RX3 for a drag car - may build a tasty street one later !!!

OK,

Here are the start of the nice new expensive bits to get this revised project underway

I won't be cutting any corners on this build - given the time cards we are chasing

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/7169/getattachment4lt.jpg (http://img682.imageshack.us/i/getattachment4lt.jpg/)

Will post some other pics as the parts arrive

Sucker
10-12-09, 08:29 PM
Was this car in Tasmania?

What engine and drive line are you thinking of putting in it?

wotmazda
11-12-09, 05:21 PM
Best photo I have so far !!!

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/9058/workshop1109081.jpg (http://img187.imageshack.us/i/workshop1109081.jpg/)

Not going to be much room for anything behind the Driver's seat

Wheel tubs will be above parcel shelf height

Motor wise - we will not be running a 12A - Steve and ALCHO will be back and I will just be embarassed

Got pics of the diff and shocks coming this weekend (I hope)

buzz
11-12-09, 10:21 PM
http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/7169/getattachment4lt.jpg (http://img682.imageshack.us/i/getattachment4lt.jpg/)


Ooh. That chassis rail is a nice bit of work.

wotmazda
16-12-09, 03:27 PM
First mock up shots

Damn he is making fast progress!!! :bounce3: :bounce3:

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/7509/dscf1980r.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/dscf1980r.jpg/)

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/6806/dscf1981.jpg (http://img38.imageshack.us/i/dscf1981.jpg/)

Diff Housing and shocks have arrived - Just waiting on pics !!!

bigmuz
16-12-09, 06:22 PM
That jig is awesome!

wotmazda
16-12-09, 07:27 PM
Yeah Bigmuz - it looks pretty funny sitting on those tyres

Car has actually been on a jig since and was found to be twisted following the hack job done by the last Guy

Been pulled straight and now the rails and bits are starting to go in

Pretty easy to twist a Mazda when only the roof is hodling it together:knock:

wotmazda
18-12-09, 03:41 PM
First real weekly update today

Another round of mock up shots

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7996/dscf1990y.jpg (http://img7.imageshack.us/i/dscf1990y.jpg/)

Ride height is going to be approx 100mm from the ground to the sill :owned:

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1479/dscf1996r.jpg (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/dscf1996r.jpg/)

Going to look DAMN TOUGH from behind (go the tassie plate!!)

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/1442/dscf1994m.jpg (http://img13.imageshack.us/i/dscf1994m.jpg/)

Hopefully will have some bits welded in and the new fabricated diff housing to show you guys next week !!

HoonBoy
18-12-09, 06:00 PM
Are they Rod Andrews rails?

Why so high? 100mm is high for a purpose built drag car.

69r1
18-12-09, 06:31 PM
Lookin sweet there Chris. I might have to hurry up with the engine at this rate.

Fondles
18-12-09, 06:41 PM
Why so high? 100mm is high for a purpose built drag car.

When did 100mm to the sills become "high" for a purpose built drag car ??

HoonBoy
18-12-09, 07:29 PM
Last time I looked most were about 40mm off the ground.

Fondles
18-12-09, 08:35 PM
Last time I looked most were about 40mm off the ground.
40mm you say, got some pics.

wotmazda
18-12-09, 09:22 PM
100mm or 4 inches is about the average for a purpose built car

You still need clearance for a sump and bounce from wheels up on a launch

I havn't seen a single 1/2 or 3/4 chassis car with much less ground clearance that what we are aiming for

Its less than a can of coke off the ground !!!!

buzz
18-12-09, 10:14 PM
Am bloody impressed with the bends they put into those chassis rails with fairly minimal deformation.

Sucker
18-12-09, 10:40 PM
Looking good.




Why so high? 100mm is high for a purpose built drag car.

I slightly remember reading something about a andra rule that 100mm is the lowest you could go, but that may have been for the front nose/wing.

HoonBoy
19-12-09, 08:47 AM
100mm or 4 inches is about the average for a purpose built car

You still need clearance for a sump and bounce from wheels up on a launch

I havn't seen a single 1/2 or 3/4 chassis car with much less ground clearance that what we are aiming for

Its less than a can of coke off the ground !!!!

Yeah I was thinking full chassis, not 1/2 3/4 cars.


Am bloody impressed with the bends they put into those chassis rails with fairly minimal deformation.

+1, hence wanting to know who made them!


Looking good.



I slightly remember reading something about a andra rule that 100mm is the lowest you could go, but that may have been for the front nose/wing.

Maybe super street or one of the lower classes, but the quick end has bugger all clearance. Try to drive over a coke can with a pro stocker.

wotmazda
19-12-09, 09:37 AM
The rails came from the States

Well check with the Anthony (chassis guy) if he is happy for me to let you know from where

They are a higher strength steel than the normal blue boxed tube used for chassis, and as there are no welds the structural integrity is much higher

They are also bent up prior to being shipped and arrive as you see them !!!

wotmazda
24-12-09, 07:25 AM
Well Santa arrived a little bit early for me this year with my diff and shocks arriving this week (a little late - but who cares) and the Guys at CONCEPT PAINTS have offered to sponsor the car for all the paintwork and consumables require to get this little beast looking race ready

Matt at CONCEPT PAINTS was very keen to help out and all I can say is Thanks !!

NEW Currie F9 Custom Housing - Put together by Altra9 up in QLD

Dammn Sexy piece of Gear !!

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/9343/image006ky.jpg (http://img193.imageshack.us/i/image006ky.jpg/)

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/8435/mazda002.jpg (http://img192.imageshack.us/i/mazda002.jpg/)

NEW Strange Engineering Coil Overs & Custom Springs

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/8783/mazda001.jpg (http://img696.imageshack.us/i/mazda001.jpg/)

New Turbo & Gate have been ordered from Mike Turbo in the US and will hopefully arrive early in the New Year !!

69r1
24-12-09, 10:14 AM
Looking unreal there Chris. Love the Chrissie pressie's.

Mmmmmm Mike Turbo. :worship:

RotaUte
28-12-09, 12:43 AM
Nice work, diff housing is a nice piece of work hey. I was almost going for a Track 9 until they released those.

wotmazda
02-01-10, 09:12 PM
Turbo's HERE !!!

BOOOOOSSSSTTTTTTEEEYYYYYYY

10sec rx7
02-01-10, 09:24 PM
is this turbo the 82/80???

you still have the 80/80?

wotmazda
02-01-10, 09:42 PM
Dale,

Check your PM

Cheers

Chris

wotmazda
06-01-10, 05:43 PM
Little bit of an update

Some goodies finally arrived from MIKE TURBO in the US

Damn I love the current exchange rates

BRAND NEW – Borg Warner S400 80MM Turbo to suit my application

Still in the wrapping (mandatory beer can for size reference)

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/7176/img1713b.jpg (http://img682.imageshack.us/i/img1713b.jpg/)

Unwrapped – It’s a big F*@ker

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/5831/img1714n.jpg (http://img37.imageshack.us/i/img1714n.jpg/)

Front on view of the Turbo (makes my can of NEW look like a snack size)

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/7457/img1715.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/i/img1715.jpg/)


http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/7726/img1717.jpg (http://img709.imageshack.us/i/img1717.jpg/)

Impeller Wheel – DAMN BIG

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/5721/img1716s.jpg (http://img690.imageshack.us/i/img1716s.jpg/)

BRAND NEW – Tial 60MM RACEGATE (in shiny silver)

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6258/img1711u.jpg (http://img138.imageshack.us/i/img1711u.jpg/)

Next to the same Beer Can (no I wasn’t spending that much time taking photos)

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/1685/img1712f.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/i/img1712f.jpg/)

Motor details are almost finalized and I will post another update next week

Hopefully will have seen more from the Chassis shop by then as well

Welcome to 2010 !!!!:knock:

Cameron_Datto
06-01-10, 07:28 PM
Have you checked out http://rx3parts.com/rx3partsmain.html

wotmazda
15-01-10, 07:52 AM
Weekly Update Time

Most of the clip has been welded in this week and is starting to take shape

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9379/mazda004.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/i/mazda004.jpg/)

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/9937/image007ci.jpg (http://img36.imageshack.us/i/image007ci.jpg/)

The cage has started to be bent up (I am still deciding on how far to go with the cage)

Cage is bent up out of Racetech tube and will be certainly strong enough to keep me out of trouble

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/2933/mazda005.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/i/mazda005.jpg/)

Biggest update for the week is that the Diff Housing is almost ready to install with the 4 link brackets and support braces all welded on – It sure looks the business !!

Here’s a pic of it after it had come back from being welded – sitting waiting to go to it’s HOME!!

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/9153/image011ch.jpg (http://img197.imageshack.us/i/image011ch.jpg/)

I am still deciding on whether to run a set of Gun Drilled 40 spline axles or to use the Strange Two-Piece axles that are rated to sub 7.50s

Any advice or experience with either the Strange 40’s or the Strange two-piece would be great !!!

BoganDAVE
15-01-10, 10:08 AM
is that the s400 with the t6 rear? What did it cost you landed?

buzz
16-01-10, 10:02 AM
Still in the wrapping (mandatory beer can for size reference)
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/7457/img1715.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/i/img1715.jpg/)


Beer can for size reference > mobile phone for size reference. Clearly it is the new coolness.

wotmazda
19-01-10, 02:20 PM
Got some better pics of the diff housing and brackets all welded up from the Chassis Shop

BEST LOOKING DIFF I HAVE EVER SEEN - Yes I am biased

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6987/workshopjan10018.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/i/workshopjan10018.jpg/)

Apparently it took him over 9 hours to fit the plates and brace the diff because of how short the housing is and where the mounts had to go

Thank Christ I am not paying him by the hour !!!

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/2286/workshopjan10019.jpg (http://img693.imageshack.us/i/workshopjan10019.jpg/)

C0V3R
19-01-10, 07:25 PM
Geez thats a stubby diff.

wotmazda
24-01-10, 06:46 PM
Only a little update this week

Start of the welding of the cage and the mainhoop

Chassis guy left his camera at home and I am too far away to go take pics!!!!

The start of the cage

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/8753/workshopjan10017.jpg (http://img40.imageshack.us/i/workshopjan10017.jpg/)

The view from outside

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/1958/workshopjan10016.jpg (http://img638.imageshack.us/i/workshopjan10016.jpg/)

It’s amazing to realize just how much steel goes in to making a proper cage – another 3 lengths of tube arrived this week to go in to her (3 x 7.2m = 21.6M of rollcage) - this is on top of what has already been installed or purchased !!

You can’t see it in these pics, but the rear clip has been braced through square tube in the sills all the way past the “B” pillar and also has a series of brace plates and anchors in the rear

Hopefully get a bigger update next week

wotmazda
31-01-10, 04:09 PM
Only a little update this week

Chassis Guy is having Camera Dramas - so all I got was one lousy pic from his phone

DIFF HOUSING IS IN

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8642/diffin.jpg (http://img13.imageshack.us/i/diffin.jpg/)

Hopefully getting the final pricing on the Strange Engineering bits I need to finish the rear end tomorrow

Got some great advice at the Track on Friday night, so we can push ahead with the balance of the cage now

Groovie you are a Legend !!!

bigmuz
31-01-10, 04:19 PM
I have never heard of anyone not building a chassis car on a jig.

profi
31-01-10, 04:32 PM
What is the reasoning behind making a "roof hoop" instead of 2 a pillar bars and a window bar joining them...

wotmazda
31-01-10, 06:25 PM
I have never heard of anyone not building a chassis car on a jig.

Car was on a jig for the rear rails install - to be measured, pulled and welded

The rest of it is based off Mazda and what went in to the rear end

It is not a "Chassis Car" but a back halfed 808

Will build a true chassis car once $$ allow

Measurements are true, welds are strong and fabrication is better than most of the other POS mazda's out there

Will run true and straight once on the black stuff !!!

PSi13L
01-02-10, 08:23 PM
Lookin' good Chris.

Good to see something new to scare the neighborhood kids!

Do ya get a discount from Strange cause your axles are only 20cms long?

wotmazda
04-02-10, 02:41 PM
Had a few people ask about who is carrying out the work on the car

All the Chassis work and related fitment is being done by

AW FABRICATIONS
0400 512 585

I will put up who the other supporters are once they start doing there bits (or I at least put up the pics of their work)

Fondles
04-02-10, 03:15 PM
I have never heard of anyone not building a chassis car on a jig.

Neither of the Nastybug cars were built on a Jig, Or the "Mad Morrie" Outlaw Morris Minor for that matter.

wotmazda
04-02-10, 05:49 PM
Sorry Mate,

Should have answered earlier

2 main reasons

1) Less welds on rollover protection = stronger cage if ever needed

2) Sits low enough to get the tig welder around to the top for the funny car driver protection

Many cars have pretty suspect welds across the tops of the joins - this way we get added strength and welds I can show ANDRA at tech inspection time

PM me if you want more info

Cheers

profi
04-02-10, 05:49 PM
What is the reasoning behind making a "roof hoop" instead of 2 a pillar bars and a window bar joining them...

Bump?

HoonBoy
04-02-10, 06:23 PM
1) Less welds on rollover protection = stronger cage if ever needed


How do you figure that? I count the same amount of welds...

Kaiser
04-02-10, 06:57 PM
Lookin' good Chris.

Good to see something new to scare the neighborhood kids!

Do ya get a discount from Strange cause your axles are only 20cms long?

And if they misbehave, threaten to feed them to the turbo...

profi
04-02-10, 06:57 PM
Why wouldn't you cut some holes in the floor drop the cage down and weld the tops of the bars perfectly, that has to potential of folding up a little in a roll over, probably at its most vulnerable if it hit right on the bend of the bar, is this method used much in drag racing?

HoonBoy
04-02-10, 08:23 PM
That would be a fuck load of holes and unnecessary work given the standard Mazda roof has the structural integrity of a 16 year old Mt. Druitt hooker's hymen (cunt film)

It's the "normal" way of building a cage. You end up with four holes for the main hoop and front legs to go down in which are then covered over with the plates for the legs to mount on to. You have heaps of room to weld the bars and doesn't impact on the structural integrity of the roof at all, it's not touched. (You can also do it with holes for the front legs only if needed, but it's not as easy to get to the joins for the front legs/main hoop.

I'm not saying this has been done the "wrong" way, but it is different to what I have seen and am interested in the reason for the difference.

PSi13L
04-02-10, 08:23 PM
Why wouldn't you cut some holes in the floor drop the cage down and weld the tops of the bars perfectly, that has to potential of folding up a little in a roll over, probably at its most vulnerable if it hit right on the bend of the bar, is this method used much in drag racing?

That would be a fuck load of holes and unnecessary work given the standard Mazda roof has the structural integrity of a 16 year old Mt. Druitt hooker's hymen (cunt film)!

P.S. GO FUCK YOURSELF!

profi
04-02-10, 10:22 PM
That would be a fuck load of holes and unnecessary work given the standard Mazda roof has the structural integrity of a 16 year old Mt. Druitt hooker's hymen (cunt film)!

P.S. GO FUCK YOURSELF!


Small brained man, how did you think they have got past this issue since welded in cages have been made compulsory in motor racing?






Hoonboy knows whats going on...

wotmazda
05-02-10, 06:20 AM
I spoke to Anthony (chassis bloke) and it is his preference to use the one piece roof hoop

He believes it is stonger and that the racetech tube will take anything the wall / black stuff can thow at it if I end up on my roof

Anyway - I just pay the bills !!!!

Have got some great pics of what he has done this week and will post them up later

He is powering through it at the moment !!!

Jason Broadhurst
05-02-10, 06:55 AM
Got some better pics of the diff housing and brackets all welded up from the Chassis Shop

BEST LOOKING DIFF I HAVE EVER SEEN - Yes I am biased

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6987/workshopjan10018.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/i/workshopjan10018.jpg/)

Apparently it took him over 9 hours to fit the plates and brace the diff because of how short the housing is and where the mounts had to go

Thank Christ I am not paying him by the hour !!!

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/2286/workshopjan10019.jpg (http://img693.imageshack.us/i/workshopjan10019.jpg/)

I can't see any watts linkage mounting points? you're doing it wrong

wotmazda
06-02-10, 02:47 PM
Weekly update time

He is motoring along at the moment

Tops of the tyres are where the parcel shelf used to be !!!

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5052/100203.jpg (http://img218.imageshack.us/i/100203.jpg/)

Cage is starting to take shape

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/8750/1002031b.jpg (http://img24.imageshack.us/i/1002031b.jpg/)

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/8406/1002032p.jpg (http://img300.imageshack.us/i/1002032p.jpg/)

So little MAZDA is left !!

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/2192/1002033r.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/i/1002033r.jpg/)

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/6842/workshopfeb10002.jpg (http://img683.imageshack.us/i/workshopfeb10002.jpg/)

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/539/workshopfeb10004.jpg (http://img684.imageshack.us/i/workshopfeb10004.jpg/)

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4579/workshopfeb10005.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/workshopfeb10005.jpg/)


New bits are about to be ordered

McDonald Bros anti roll bar kit (not watts linkage as suggested above)
McDonald Bros custom wheelie bars
Strange Axles and Brakes
Will post some pics of the bits as they arrive !!!!

10sec rx7
06-02-10, 04:12 PM
looking good mate
dont use the mcdonald bros sway bar or wheelie bars..

use the ARC stuff. much better design

wotmazda
07-02-10, 01:48 PM
Sent you a PM

wotmazda
13-02-10, 07:10 AM
Weekly update time

Funny car cage is underway and looks the goods

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/9877/mazda001s.jpg (http://img693.imageshack.us/i/mazda001s.jpg/)

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/8435/mazda002.jpg (http://img502.imageshack.us/i/mazda002.jpg/)

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/2933/mazda005.jpg (http://img259.imageshack.us/i/mazda005.jpg/)

Anti Roll Bar and Wheelie bars leave Sydney on Monday

Wheelie bar kit is over 2m long to try and balance the car on the back wheels

Didn’t realize just how much effort was going to be required to keep this thing going forward

Got to stop doing everything over the top !!!!!!

wayno1600
13-02-10, 09:22 AM
looking good mate , its all taking shape pretty quick. have you settled on a colour yet?

wotmazda
15-02-10, 08:21 AM
Nah

No colour choices as yet

Will be something that suits work and my use for the car

Think - Shiny & Fast !!!

wotmazda
25-02-10, 05:24 PM
Weekly Update Time

Missed last week due to some delays in getting some parts down to Tassie

Rod Andrews makes good stuff, but took a fair while to get the stuff in a box and shipped

According to Anthony the bits have arrived as more of a “build it yourself” surprise than a ready to assemble kit as they were described as

Anyway – what’s a few more $$ in welding and setting stuff up

OK,

Here are a few pics of the car as at today

Funny Car Cage is almost complete and side intrusion bars are in and welded

Cage is through the firewall to the front struts and front dash bar goes in today or tomorrow (can't see it in these pics)

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4977/workshopfeb25.jpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/i/workshopfeb25.jpg/)

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/42/workshopfeb252.jpg (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/workshopfeb252.jpg/)

Will hopefully get some axles ordered this week after being f*&ked around by Xtreme Racecars in the States

Was about to desposit the money for the axles and brakes and they have just fallen off the edge of the earth

If anyone reading this knows the guys (they advertise on racingjunk), can you please let me know what happened to them

Will put up another update soon

PSi13L
25-02-10, 07:58 PM
Lookin' shit hot buddy.

ETA to drunken skids out the front.........?

wotmazda
05-03-10, 05:03 PM
Weekly Update Time

The gear from Rod Andrews has finally arrived – apparently his “Wheelie Bar Kit” is much more of a jigsaw puzzle than I expected

Another $$$ to get Anthony to put it together

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/8273/mazdafeb10005.jpg (http://img692.imageshack.us/i/mazdafeb10005.jpg/)
Rose joints for everyone

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/304/mazdafeb10004.jpg (http://img198.imageshack.us/i/mazdafeb10004.jpg/)

Hope it came with instructions !!!!! - Actually it didn't !!

Back to the Car

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/1584/mazdafeb10003.jpg (http://img444.imageshack.us/i/mazdafeb10003.jpg/)

Most of the Funny car cage is completed now

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5859/mazdafeb10002.jpg (http://img297.imageshack.us/i/mazdafeb10002.jpg/)

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1574/mazdafeb10001.jpg (http://img176.imageshack.us/i/mazdafeb10001.jpg/)

This week should see the front bars and bar work in to the struts knocked over

I know he has been finishing the blown V8 this week as it’s off to Melbourne for a spray – so I am sure we will see more progress over the next few weeks – 1 less Ford to deal with !!!

wotmazda
14-03-10, 03:39 PM
Weekly Update Time

Thought I would show you guys what will be powering this little monster along !!!

I know a few of you were hoping I would go 12A – but I am very confident a certain 12A will be back out soon and I will only embarrass myself

So we have decided to go the tried & tested path for this one


Engine is being built with help from the following guys:


Steve Barnfather (69R1) for all assembly, final porting and little tricks – think more HP for everyone!!

Rohan (Extreme Rotaries) for machine work, clearancing, balancing and porting

Kev Webb (South Coast Rotary) for seals


S4/5 13B

Extreme Rotaries PR spec Bridgeport (final porting by Steve)

Extreme Rotaries clearanced rotors

Dowelled (no stud kit on this one)

Modified Oil galleries

Modified heaps of other things – proving again why I have good friends I trust with this shit !!


Here are a few pics to show you where we are heading

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/4166/motor1q.jpg (http://img22.imageshack.us/i/motor1q.jpg/)

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/5431/motor2b.jpg (http://img683.imageshack.us/i/motor2b.jpg/)

After a bit of decision making, I have decided to use all the manifolds and cooler I got from Mark Borg and the Mr Enforcer RX3 – I figure if it has already run a 7 – why change it !!

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8285/0image270.jpg (http://img214.imageshack.us/i/0image270.jpg/)


On a different topic – Big thanks to Lee (NFS13B) for hooking me up with Strange Engineering in the US

After being f*#ked around by a few of their wholesalers, I have gone straight to the source and my new 40 spline axles and pro race brake kit are on there way here !!

Will hopefully land in the next few weeks

OKE020
14-03-10, 07:48 PM
Wow thats alot of bars :)

buzz
14-03-10, 07:56 PM
Good solid looking cage. Heres hoping that you never need to test it.

What is the upper and lower inlet manifold?

BeverlyHillsCop
14-03-10, 08:05 PM
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1574/mazdafeb10001.jpg

Just looking at the ROP here... whats stopping it from from just collapsing in a roll over/heavy impact???
I don't profess to know everything about roll cages, but it just goes against everything i've ever seen/told/experienced etc...

just interested in hearing why its built that way?

10sec rx7
14-03-10, 09:44 PM
the roll over hoop connects to the floor

bigmuz
14-03-10, 09:59 PM
Taking two shots at Rod Andrews is pretty harsh. If you asked the right questions you would have got the right answers.

wotmazda
15-03-10, 06:49 AM
Wasn't taking a shot

Just showing my lack of knowledge on the topic

First time building one from scratch and it's easy to see why there are so many unfinished projects out there - every time I think I am nearing the home straight - something else gets in the way

The Strange wholesaler that stuffed me around was Xtreme Racecars in the states - has almost deposited the money and they stopped returing emails and calls - thank christ it took me a few more days to get the $$ together

BeverlyHillsCop
15-03-10, 06:21 PM
the roll over hoop connects to the floor

yeah i noticed it but was wondering about whole setup in front of that...

10sec rx7
15-03-10, 06:33 PM
thats to stop sideways impacts,

BeverlyHillsCop
15-03-10, 06:34 PM
thnk u :)

wotmazda
22-03-10, 08:02 PM
Weekly Update Time

No real updates on the car at the moment – work is underway but nothing worth getting photos of!!

Motor is a different story though – Will hopefully be assembled this week (or next given Compak Attack and Steve’s work schedule)

Will be out at the track myself – reminding me why I am so keen to get this one running

Porting is finished – I will keep some secrets on this build – but thought I would show you all the masterful porting on the exhaust side

Standard 13B (near enough anyway)

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/8278/motor3n.jpg (http://img443.imageshack.us/i/motor3n.jpg/)

My 13B !!!!

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/3509/motor4.jpg (http://img220.imageshack.us/i/motor4.jpg/)

Think we may just be able to flow enough to get that big TURBO spinning !!!

profi
22-03-10, 08:29 PM
Chassis wise on a drag car, what do you aim for, torsional rigidity or to build enough flex into it to act like a damper?

wotmazda
28-03-10, 05:01 PM
Weekly Update Time

Back to the car this week and Anthony has been making some great progress

I think she is nearly ready for her ANDRA pre-tech inspection on the cage

The Funny Car cage has more bars than your average prison now and looks very much like it was meant to fit in a Mazda

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/9995/mazda011.jpg (http://img202.imageshack.us/i/mazda011.jpg/)

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2407/mazda013.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/i/mazda013.jpg/)

Cage is now through the firewall and anchored to the back of the strut towers

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/2281/mazda014j.jpg (http://img109.imageshack.us/i/mazda014j.jpg/)

Front nearly done – needs a few more brace bars – but nearly completed – it has been sat forward enough to handle an engine plate if I decide to go that way

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/275/mazda015.jpg (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/mazda015.jpg/)

Looking tough as nuts

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/3484/mazda016.jpg (http://img641.imageshack.us/i/mazda016.jpg/)

Waiting for my axles and brakes to be finished and then she can sit on the ground and we can get an idea of how it will look when it is rolling !!!!!

Uwish
31-03-10, 06:56 PM
Insane!

wotmazda
03-04-10, 09:48 AM
WEEKLY UPDATE TIME

GUARDS ARE BACK ON – YEAH !!!!!!

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9260/workshop0510005.jpg (http://img411.imageshack.us/i/workshop0510005.jpg/)

DAMN TIDY WORK – HAND MADE IN ONE DAY

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4144/workshop0510006.jpg (http://img42.imageshack.us/i/workshop0510006.jpg/)

These shots are approx ride height for when it is on the ground – edge of the guard lines up with the top wheel stud !! SHOULD LOOK TOUGH AS NUTS ON THE GROUND !!

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/561/workshop0510008.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/workshop0510008.jpg/)

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/4455/workshop0510009.jpg (http://img242.imageshack.us/i/workshop0510009.jpg/)

TIME FOR TECH INSPECTION and THEN SOME TUBS !!!!!!

Guido
03-04-10, 10:51 AM
Looks cool. Keep it that colour and still as an 808 for the win!

wotmazda
16-04-10, 11:40 PM
WEEKLY UPDATE TIME

OK – Bad News First

Axles got twisted in the heat treatment process at Strange Engineering in the US, hence no update last week

Thankfully they are good enough to spot this and to remake the axles prior to them being shipped to AUS

ANYWAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Got some great news today – car passed ANDRA pre-tech inspection for the cage, materials used and weld quality !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anthony has got a heap more done and some extra bracing over the rear chassis rails to prevent any flex

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/6971/workshopapril10016.jpg (http://img109.imageshack.us/i/workshopapril10016.jpg/)

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/4918/workshopapril10019.jpg (http://img534.imageshack.us/i/workshopapril10019.jpg/)

Shock mounts are done

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/9146/workshopapril10004.jpg (http://img232.imageshack.us/i/workshopapril10004.jpg/)

Other Guard is finished

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/9673/workshopapril10021.jpg (http://img444.imageshack.us/i/workshopapril10021.jpg/)

AND !!!!!!!!!!!

TIN WORK HAS BEGUN !!!!!!!!!!

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/9650/workshopapril10003.jpg (http://img683.imageshack.us/i/workshopapril10003.jpg/)

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/6260/workshopapril10001.jpg (http://img412.imageshack.us/i/workshopapril10001.jpg/)

Hope to see her on the ground soon

buzz
16-04-10, 11:49 PM
All that chassis engineering is almost making the 808 shell insignificant and virtually redundant. Almost a waste, hiding that craftsmanship. Good work by Strange to man-up on a stuff up though.

Tripper
17-04-10, 12:18 AM
Please tell me it going out in a poo brown paint job, with out any sponsorship at least once

SBP
17-04-10, 01:41 AM
Long time reader of these forums but never really posted. I like the idea of this car but from an engineering view point a little worried about the chassis and cage. I realise it has been tech'd but...

The front hoop section on the cage is certainly not the normal way of doing things, it protrudes well beyond any support it is going to get from the A pillar posts. And the suspension mounts at the rear seem odd to me too. It is obviously a very narrow rear, but if you can't mount them to a cross over bar, why mount them directly to the rails, rather than making a bracket or tubular mounting point that is then screwed and welded to the rail. Dont want to be critical, but when it isnt on a jig and you see less than regular techniques......

10sec rx7
17-04-10, 08:54 AM
your never going to get a stonger mount than directly to the chassis rails.. why would you screw and weld a bar to them to mount the shocks to?

wotmazda
17-04-10, 09:27 AM
The shocks are mounted to the rail beacuse of strength, width and vertical location

Dale's comment is 100% correct

You will also see it is directly aligned to the horizontal brace between the two rails

Front hoop - his preference for building it that way

I hadn't really noticed it on to many other cars - but then had a look at a few OS 3/4 cars and plenty of them are done that way - The TCR RX7 3/4 car has exactly the same design and has never had any dramas

Each to their own I guess !!!!

SBP
20-04-10, 03:29 PM
Actually you can't simply say that a mounting is stronger when mounted to the "chassis" when that mounting point could be made at any side of the chassis, at different points on the chassis etc etc You have to factor in a million and one things particularly the load on the mounting point and that is why 90% of the time on a drag car you will work off the cross over bar and not the rail itself.

Not saying it wont work and not saying it is easy when you are working with such a narrow rear end, but there are ways that have proven to be the best over many years.

Tripper
20-04-10, 04:09 PM
Actually you can't simply say that a mounting is stronger when mounted to the "chassis" when that mounting point could be made at any side of the chassis, at different points on the chassis etc etc You have to factor in a million and one things particularly the load on the mounting point and that is why 90% of the time on a drag car you will work off the cross over bar and not the rail itself.

Not saying it wont work and not saying it is easy when you are working with such a narrow rear end, but there are ways that have proven to be the best over many years.

you have less possible fail points when going to the chassis

SBP
20-04-10, 06:39 PM
I must have missed that doing engineering at uni...

wotmazda
20-04-10, 10:15 PM
Location for shock mounts was decided following recommendation from Rod Andrews Race Cars (you all know who he is)

Arse end is too narrow to go to the tube internal and both Rod and Strange agree the shocks will work best in a fully vertical position

I have some better shots of the mounts coming and we are very confident that it will perform as required

10sec rx7
20-04-10, 10:25 PM
I must have missed that doing engineering at uni...

and all the cars you have built are??

wotmazda
23-04-10, 07:50 PM
Weekly Update Time

Thought I would start this week with something a bit different

Here are two of the rods that Anthony has built from scratch – all are HANDCRAFTED METAL BODIES !!!!

Will hook you boys up if you want to buy one ( I am trying to justify buying one at the moment)

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/8164/200806290020.jpg (http://img291.imageshack.us/i/200806290020.jpg/)

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/2620/memory03018xbx.jpg (http://img651.imageshack.us/i/memory03018xbx.jpg/)

Anyway – Here are some updated pics of my little toy

TIN WORK IS UNDER WAY !!!!!

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/3627/workshopapril009.jpg (http://img709.imageshack.us/i/workshopapril009.jpg/)

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/4579/workshopapril010.jpg (http://img52.imageshack.us/i/workshopapril010.jpg/)

Hoping to get some Axles soon so we can get this thing on the ground !!!!

Sucker
23-04-10, 08:24 PM
You gunna get rid of the boot hinges??? :D

ETA to track time?

wotmazda
23-04-10, 09:05 PM
Hoping for early next year - if $$ can be found for a gearbox

Heading to TAS to pick her up in June or July then in to the shop for some colour and a bit of bodywork

Got a heap on with work - so hoping to get some help from the boys to make this happen

Got a few more $$$$$$$$ to find before raceday

bigmuz
23-04-10, 09:11 PM
I must have missed that doing engineering at uni...

Hahah what a fucking wanker!

carcrazy
23-04-10, 10:53 PM
Hahah what a fucking wanker!

I used to have a uni friend who was doing mech enginering and he was the same... He knew everything.

tim510
24-04-10, 01:08 AM
I used to have a uni friend who was doing mech enginering and he was the same... He knew everything.

knew everything and had never done anything?

Guido
24-04-10, 01:15 AM
then in to the shop for some colour and a bit of bodywork


Same colour?? :)


knew everything and had never done anything?

The bloke should fit in pretty well here then!

JayTHEFordman
24-04-10, 07:54 AM
Same colour?? :)


I should hope so.

Poo brown FTW

SBP
26-04-10, 03:50 PM
and all the cars you have built are??

Auscars, Tourers, Sports Sedans... Working with BJR in the 90's and early 2000's. But anyway, I guess asking safety questions isnt allowed here and a few hero's are the messiah.

bigmuz
26-04-10, 04:20 PM
hero's

I think you meant 'heroes' but I digress.

You are straight out wrong about the shock mounts unfortunately. That is how 90% are done. I have criticised lots of things but the shock mouunts are perfect.

Your complaint about the front hoop makes no sense either but I think you were just condescending to be cool so you have no idea about the design of a cage one way or the other.

Thanks for playing though!

10sec rx7
26-04-10, 04:38 PM
Auscars, Tourers, Sports Sedans... Working with BJR in the 90's and early 2000's. But anyway, I guess asking safety questions isnt allowed here and a few hero's are the messiah.

You can ask questions no problems, I sort of agree with the front hoop and wouldn't do it like that but the shocks are definatly stronger there

SBP
26-04-10, 04:53 PM
And you obviously meant mounts....

If RA recommended it that way then I'm sure they'll be 110%. But the front hoop I stand by what I said.

bigmuz
26-04-10, 06:37 PM
typo != grammatical error.

profi
26-04-10, 11:53 PM
Auscars, Tourers, Sports Sedans... Working with BJR in the 90's and early 2000's. But anyway, I guess asking safety questions isnt allowed here and a few hero's are the messiah.

Which ones mate.

wotmazda
07-05-10, 06:40 PM
Weekly Update Time

Axles and brakes have arrived from the States

WOO HOOOOOO

40 Spline Strange Pro Race Axles
5/8 Studs
Big Ford Bearings
Pro Race Brakes
Pro Race Calipers !!!!!

Here are the only pics I've got so far

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5791/axles1.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/i/axles1.jpg/)

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/174/axles2.jpg (http://img340.imageshack.us/i/axles2.jpg/)

Spary can for size reference this time (no beer cans at Anthony's shed)

Hopefully get some better shots over the weekend

I think the Tubs and doors were being finished today or tomorrow - so should look like a car again !!!!

Sucker
07-05-10, 06:57 PM
Axle's look nice.

Have you got any pics of the brakes? And a rough cost?

Are you doing anything with the front end? Steering etc?

carcrazy
08-05-10, 12:42 AM
Wow they are short aint they... They look like the serious biz though..

Whats happening with the doors, i see you've cut the insides out, do you panel them and lock them closes with fasteners or brackets?

SBP
08-05-10, 09:20 PM
Sorry Profi I missed your post. Couple of Gemini's and Escorts, an Early model lancer that was once an Imrpoved production car and an old BMW. Mainly the smaller cars. Love your Excel, absolutely awesome.

Do you mind if I asked who you got the Axles off Wotmazda? Or are they straight from Strange?

wotmazda
09-05-10, 08:37 AM
Mate - straight from Strange - I've got an account with them now - so easy sailing from here on !!!

Sucker - front end and sterring will be changed - just deciding on whether to go spindles or not

Brakes - I haven't got any photos yet - but here is a link to the Strange website (PM me if you want to know a price)

http://www.strangeengineering.net/catalog/index.html - Page 101

Also,

Here is a pic of the axles against a standard RX4 13B axle (didn't have any RX3 ones lying around)

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/8540/various031.jpg (http://img695.imageshack.us/i/various031.jpg/)

BTM
13-05-10, 03:18 PM
How much is all this crazy chassis work worth?

Always wondered the cost of building a drag chassis, compared to just tubbing a street car (without intense chassis replacement etc).

wotmazda
13-05-10, 03:58 PM
I'll let a few of you guess !!!!

Might even tell you who gets closest to the mark !!

profi
13-05-10, 07:11 PM
22k.

wotmazda
13-05-10, 07:31 PM
Ummm - I can say that you are pretty close to the mark

Are we including the parts - or just the labour and metal work???

Anyway

Check this out !!

Weekly Update Time

Little early this week – mainly cause I got some mad photos to show you all

TUBS ARE DONE !!!!

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/4963/various037g.jpg (http://img198.imageshack.us/i/various037g.jpg/)

Nice infill panel to stop the smoke wafting back up in to the car
Very tidy work !!!

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/1663/various038.jpg (http://img297.imageshack.us/i/various038.jpg/)

Doors have been gutted – and only the skins remain – we think we can get the door handles back on to make it look like a 4 door still !!!

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9867/various040.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/i/various040.jpg/)

Side profile of some very tidy work

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/3149/various041.jpg (http://img534.imageshack.us/i/various041.jpg/)

Hoping Anti Roll bar and wheelie bars will be done next week – then on the ground and nearly time to come HOME

Michael
13-05-10, 07:38 PM
My bro could turn some axels here in Sydney, if need be. He's done em for a few drag cars and tuff trucks.

profi
13-05-10, 07:50 PM
Labour and metal work.

bigmuz
13-05-10, 08:20 PM
Nice infill panel to stop the smoke wafting back up in to the car

Good luck with that!


we think we can get the door handles back on to make it look like a 4 door still !!!

http://sikabolt.hu/shop_ordered/3214/shop_pic/000088.jpg

HTH

wotmazda
13-05-10, 08:36 PM
We can all dream bigmuz

Sucker
14-05-10, 07:51 PM
What size tyres?

Fondles
14-05-10, 07:57 PM
a few hero's are the messiah.


Fuckin A, I used to love chompin down a few chicken Heros from the servo/7-11 on me way home from a piss up.

wotmazda
14-05-10, 10:32 PM
32 x 14.5 tyres - but with room for the 33 x 15 if I ever get the $$ or need the extra bit !!!

wotmazda
21-05-10, 11:09 PM
Weekly Update Time

Axles have had bearings and retainer plates fitted, waiting to go in to the car

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/8905/may142.jpg (http://img130.imageshack.us/i/may142.jpg/)

Anti Roll bar underway

Bit of self promotion going on with these welds !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/458/may141.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/i/may141.jpg/)

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9017/may143.jpg (http://img101.imageshack.us/i/may143.jpg/)

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/3465/may144.jpg (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/may144.jpg/)

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/5084/may145.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/i/may145.jpg/)

Hopefully hit the ground this week – now that the axles are done !!!

10sec rx7
21-05-10, 11:30 PM
looking dude dude!

Lonx
22-05-10, 02:01 AM
looking dude dude!
pissed much? :h5:

carcrazy
22-05-10, 04:33 PM
Amazing fab work there, you must be getting excited.

PLAYA
22-05-10, 09:54 PM
hey mate, I wouldnt be bolting that roll bar to the chassis rail, not strong enough....

10sec rx7
22-05-10, 09:57 PM
pissed much? :h5:

hmm i dont even remember posting that...

wotmazda
22-05-10, 11:16 PM
hey mate, I wouldnt be bolting that roll bar to the chassis rail, not strong enough....

Again,

The Knob heads unite !!!!!

Note the plate, the extra welds, the location of the plate

AND

The sheer fucking lack of other places to mount it

Where else would you suggest we mount it in a Half chassis car ???

Off the boot lid????????????????????????????????????????????

Open to all suggestions from any other genius

bigmuz
22-05-10, 11:22 PM
Italics = sarcasm you mung bean.

wotmazda
23-05-10, 08:11 AM
Was my turn to be pissed !!!!!

Looks like me and Dale should keep off the drunk typing !!!

10sec rx7
23-05-10, 10:27 AM
but what fun would that be?

69r1
23-05-10, 08:33 PM
but what fun would that be?

What no pissed typing???? That would be no farkin fun at all.

Looking good there Chris. Hanging to see this thing go down the blacktop:worship:

Fondles
23-05-10, 08:36 PM
Ya shoulda welded that ARB in rather than bolt it.............

wotmazda
29-05-10, 09:10 AM
UPDATE OF THE YEAR – SHE IS ON THE GROUND !!!

First pic though – the toughest diff I have ever had built – looks the goods

Hmmmm $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/3610/workshop21510020.jpg (http://img36.imageshack.us/i/workshop21510020.jpg/)
NOW HERE IS THE BIT I HAVE BEEN WAITING 8 MONTHS FOR

ON THE GROUND

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2452/workshop21510023.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/i/workshop21510023.jpg/)

TUFFFFFF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/3483/workshop21510025.jpg (http://img517.imageshack.us/i/workshop21510025.jpg/)

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/4566/workshop21510027.jpg (http://img248.imageshack.us/i/workshop21510027.jpg/)

DIFF MOUNTED WHERE IT IS GOING TO STAY !!!!!!!!!!!

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4391/workshop21510026.jpg (http://img4