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2JZR31
24-12-10, 05:09 PM
UPDATE. 13s for $1300 in 13 weeks. Start date Jan one. This has taken off. Plenty of cars in the build already on PF. What other forum would actually be able to do something like this? Not many but please prove me wrong. I hope this get linked to other forums and more people give it a go.

10 sec for 10K has been done to death. 13s for $1300 is in. Check out the cars in the 13s for $1300 section

http://www.performanceforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=69

Challenge is still called 13 for 13. This isn't a hardline Nazi competition in respect to rules. Its basically just to see if you can make a 13 sec street car for as close to $1300 as possible. Its not about trying to disqualify someone for spending $1320 on their fully built street car while arguing that you should win because your mostly bought 13 sec car came in under $1300 from a BC classified and vice versa.

Rules Draft 4.

Just fucking do it. There is no prise so as to keep rule Nazism to a minimum. The more cars the better. Its a hard challenge. Read the thread for the general consensus on what gains more or less "cred". Basically if you build a quick car by any means you will shit on anyone who has done nothing.

Not sure on judging. PF Lynch mob and polling rather than any one person? I probably wont be able to compete anyway.


Would be funny to chop 99% of cars on the road with a $1300 shit heap.

Entrants so far

1 x Cressida
1 x Valiant
1 x Volvo
1 x EA
1 x VN
1 x VS
1 x Crown
1 x 318
1 x Handi
1 x VK
1 x 929
1 x VN outanowhere
1 x Cortina
1 x slotcar with dog turd conversion from Shitcunt 4

Lookin good!!!

Jim
24-12-10, 05:13 PM
I'm in. Bit of a me/ALLMTR/Uncle (Steamboat Jimmy lol) project for early next year and whoever else wants to get involved.

Picked up a VN for near free (swapped a ute I was about to take for scrap) and have stripped it out. It's getting NOS though. So far it owes me $35 for a fan belt and $200 for the nitrous gear sans bottle.

2JZR31
24-12-10, 05:18 PM
Yeah the N2O falcodoore would prob be the first thing that comes to mind. However I was aiming for genuine 13 sec street performance everyday as the challenge. This should be a fair bit harder. Not that a 13 sec N20 would beast would not also be awesome. :D The result should not be described as "exploding". :lol:

OKE020
24-12-10, 05:21 PM
Assuming no motorbikes.... that would need to be something capable of running low 15s - high 14s stock + weight removed. Would need to be a manual to get around shitty 60's with stock auto gear.

Something around $500
R31 skyline
eb-el falcon
vn-vs commonwhore
leaving $1000 for various bits and pieces to make an attempt.

I'd be in for a challenge if others were, n20 free to make it interesting :)

2JZR31
24-12-10, 05:27 PM
A manual R31 will run 15.9 stock (besides cat back) full weight as one of mine did. Mid 15s with extractors etc so prob low 15s fully stripped. Find VLT mani, turbo injectors and use darkhalf memcal?

A manual R31 might be hard to find cheap?

How much does the VLT shit go for?

I only suggest this as a falcodoore has no OEM parts ready to bolt on for cheap. However if we are willing to make manifolds etc I think an EL or something would work. The EL has a dissy do we can manually retard the timing. Fit ebay fuel reg, used shit exhaust parts for exhaust and FMIC, old shitty used ebay FMIC etc. An stock EL manual will run what mid 15s (auto low 16s)? So we only need to take 1.5 sec off for a manual. Or 2 off for a auto. The auto will almost be free to buy, a manual will cost a bit more.

bugle
24-12-10, 05:32 PM
Could probably do it with a Gemini with a Rodeo 2.3 or 2.6 litre motor & turbo, only weigh just over 900kg with a full body, should be light minus all the rusted floorpans and a-pillars

OKE020
24-12-10, 06:02 PM
Damn you dennis, now i will be thinking about how to achieve this all night!

I have had a new idea just now, 2.6 astron stigma manual. You'd have to get one for 2/10ths of fuck all. Knock up some dodgy arse J pipe manifold, swap meet 12a turbo, wack an SU on the front of the turbo, pre load the vacume advance so that it retards a little with positive pressure. Diff should hold up ok, i think its far less painfull to be seen in than an eb falcon or vn commodore etc

RNS-11Z
24-12-10, 06:09 PM
this is an awesome challenge

to4garret
24-12-10, 06:12 PM
I think something 4G63T based would do it easily.

I've seen some really cheap VR4's lately, sub 2k and also lots of conversions with 4G63T's.

anything with a EVO 1-3 spec engine will make more than enough power for a 13s 1/4m

Dave
24-12-10, 06:15 PM
300 buck pintara and a 400 buck nitrous kit, couple of hundred bucks to make it work

no bugs

HoonBoy
24-12-10, 06:16 PM
I've got a VR and nos kit that would be perfect for this if I can get some motorvation to do it.

13bvw
24-12-10, 06:22 PM
The Gemini that won the street class at jambo this year was such a car (13bt picked up as non runner)

Sketchy
24-12-10, 06:29 PM
Does the car have to be registered? What about one of the motorless e30's available with a n20 spec twin cam n/a barra (ba falcon) donk? Legal, cheap, won't handle worth a shit but will skid like a mother fucker.

EDIT: rb30 ghetto spec would probably fit the bill too.

OKE020
24-12-10, 06:36 PM
$1300?

Sturmovik
24-12-10, 06:38 PM
Non turbo BA/BF motor in an EA should do it.

Sketchy
24-12-10, 06:43 PM
$1300?

Quite possible. $500 e30, $3-400 barra motor, maybe $600with box but Probably less for an ex taxi setup, few hundred left over for scrap steel for mounts and ghetto exhaust/ radiator pipes etc. Guess it all depends what the 1300 covers.

2JZR31
24-12-10, 06:49 PM
Non turbo BA/BF motor in an EA should do it.

Will it bolt to a manual gearbox of an older ford?

Tripper
24-12-10, 06:50 PM
A cheap series 3 bluebird eg

http://forums.performanceforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67257597

would be a good start as the SR20 just about bolts in ask playa for more info, wait till you find a cheap SR20DET, perhaps boost or damaged cars auction for a written off S13

SausageFingers
24-12-10, 06:52 PM
Early girl commodore VB/VC/VH V8 + Nos ??

2JZR31
24-12-10, 06:53 PM
Quite possible. $500 e30, $3-400 barra motor, maybe $600with box but Probably less for an ex taxi setup, few hundred left over for scrap steel for mounts and ghetto exhaust/ radiator pipes etc. Guess it all depends what the 1300 covers.

But if you just stuck the N20 on a $200 VN or EL it would do 13s for less money and a massive amount less fucking around. Yeah it wont be as cool but it will come in under $1300. IMO total drivetrain swaps like this are out from the beginning since the drive shaft will be around $300.

OKE020
24-12-10, 06:53 PM
I dont think an engine converted car is possible within the budget. You forgot tailshaft too, and money for the n20 bits and bobs to get it into the 13s. Dennis wants every day power to run 13s, n20 is not every day :), well it can be but it shouldn't

Jim
24-12-10, 06:54 PM
early commo with a ford 4.0L and NOS would probably be better and more likely be cheaper than a V8 commo

Jim
24-12-10, 06:56 PM
every day 13's for $1300?
7MGTE MA70 supra. lighten the interior and up the boost and it'll run 13's all day every day, and I've seen a few of them for this sort of money.

or 7MGTE into a crown/cressida. can do it with stock toyo parts bin shit and 7M's are almost throwaways these days.

2JZR31
24-12-10, 06:56 PM
A cheap series 3 bluebird eg

http://forums.performanceforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67257597

would be a good start as the SR20 just about bolts in ask playa for more info, wait till you find a cheap SR20DET, perhaps boost or damaged cars auction for a written off S13

That is what gave me the idea in the first place. I started this thread after posting about 13 or 13 in that very thread. :)

RNS-11Z
24-12-10, 07:01 PM
i dont think itl be possible to an engine swap, but definately could turbo something. cut and shut manifold, ghetto exhaust, safc2, extra injectors fuel pump, you could get an ea falcon into 13s pretty easy id say

2JZR31
24-12-10, 07:03 PM
I dont think an engine converted car is possible within the budget. You forgot tailshaft too, and money for the n20 bits and bobs to get it into the 13s. Dennis wants every day power to run 13s, n20 is not every day :), well it can be but it shouldn't

haha posted at the same time as I said the same thing. This isn't so much as a car for me really. Just a brain storming exercise and maybe PF piss up car. But if it could be done, and the car not look and drive like a shit heap I would build it for myself. However if I done it to drive it, common sense would have me spending a bit more here and there, like getting a mint $1000 shell instead of fucked but 13 capable $100 shell etc.

2JZR31
24-12-10, 07:05 PM
i dont think itl be possible to an engine swap, but definately could turbo something. cut and shut manifold, ghetto exhaust, safc2, extra injectors fuel pump, you could get an ea falcon into 13s pretty easy id say

IMO an engine swap is possible if it really is just an engine swap. Like the CA18 into said bluebird. Full powertrain swaps are out, unless they are full bolt in or close to. The bluebird is mint and would sorta be cool, but I am not sure how much a CA costs or if it will even have the grunt for 13s without too much money. EG stock turbo stock ECU.

RNS-11Z
24-12-10, 07:07 PM
ye but not every one has the skill to do it, i meant it in that sense. some of us can with ease but some people will struggle. either way 13s for $1300 is hard to do

Sturmovik
24-12-10, 07:08 PM
Will it bolt to a manual gearbox of an older ford?

Pretty sure it will, just need the eariler bellhousing. You can also use the original tailshaft.

2JZR31
24-12-10, 07:09 PM
ye but not every one has the skill to do it, i meant it in that sense. some of us can with ease but some people will struggle. either way 13s for $1300 is hard to do

That is why this is about skill VS money.

Asteroid
24-12-10, 07:09 PM
every day 13's for $1300?
7MGTE MA70 supra. lighten the interior and up the boost and it'll run 13's all day every day, and I've seen a few of them for this sort of money.

or 7MGTE into a crown/cressida. can do it with stock toyo parts bin shit and 7M's are almost throwaways these days.
I doubt a roadworthy-ish MA70 or a gemini or a manual r31 can be had for $1300. I'd probably try with a vl or ea, ebay turbo and an extra injector or two.

SELfor50
24-12-10, 07:14 PM
You can find Eleventy Billion 1970's V8 Mercs for under $500. Or barter them down to that at least.

My old 450SEL that I used as my first track car was $300. And that lasted me 2years of red-lining with no engine work other than service.. and it never died.

Wet fogger kit plus V8 benz = 13's maybe?

RNS-11Z
24-12-10, 07:17 PM
You can find Eleventy Billion 1970's V8 Mercs for under $500. Or barter them down to that at least.

My old 450SEL that I used as my first track car was $300. And that lasted me 2years of red-lining with no engine work other than service.. and it never died.

Wet fogger kit plus V8 benz = 13's maybe?

i was actually thinking of that too

Sketchy
24-12-10, 07:19 PM
So was I but I figured I'd get laughed out of the joint for being a Benz wack job. Time to start scouring the auction listings? :)

GTREA
24-12-10, 07:23 PM
Morris Marina 6cyl (they pay you $$)
RB30e ($200)
VLT Intake Manifold ($150)
VLT ECU ($150)
VLT T3 ($350)
VLT Injectors ($150)
Assc crap ($200)

OKE020
24-12-10, 07:24 PM
This would be a cool cheap challenge that lots of people could participate in. Have a 2 month track date deadline, make the budget $1300 including the price of the car running, allow some additional coin for RWC and RWC items.

Each competitor keeps a log of costings, most people should have an idea of realistic costs for things etc, all parts used should be aquired ie no use of parts already lying around. Make the initial vehicle purchase and cost public but keep the build up a secret until a few days prior to event. Reveal build logs to verify everyone is happy the car was built within the budget.

Quickest keeps all the cars (haha maybe not but would make sure the budgets are kept)

to4garret
24-12-10, 07:26 PM
This would be a cool cheap challenge that lots of people could participate in.

this could work

Tripper
24-12-10, 07:26 PM
I think 11's for $5k would open up a lot more options

RNS-11Z
24-12-10, 07:26 PM
so lets make a list of cars:
sigma 2.6lt
rb30 skyline or vl
450sel v8
ea/b/l 6cyl falcon
vn/p/r v6 commo

OKE020
24-12-10, 07:31 PM
There is also a few earlyish model 4 cyl 2wd utes that might have potential, some 2.6 and 2.4 efi models, tray / tub removal makes it easy to lighten and get more rubber under the back too, commercial drivelines should be up to the job aswell. Not sure on weights though.

Tripper
24-12-10, 07:41 PM
There is also a few earlyish model 4 cyl 2wd utes that might have potential, some 2.6 and 2.4 efi models, tray / tub removal makes it easy to lighten and get more rubber under the back too, commercial drivelines should be up to the job aswell. Not sure on weights though.

D21 narvara with vg30e

ALLMTR
24-12-10, 07:47 PM
VB commodore + VR v6 drivetrain + gutted + low gears should be there or thereabouts without gas

SELfor50
24-12-10, 07:50 PM
This would be a cool cheap challenge that lots of people could participate in. Have a 2 month track date deadline, make the budget $1300 including the price of the car running, allow some additional coin for RWC and RWC items.

Each competitor keeps a log of costings, most people should have an idea of realistic costs for things etc, all parts used should be aquired ie no use of parts already lying around. Make the initial vehicle purchase and cost public but keep the build up a secret until a few days prior to event. Reveal build logs to verify everyone is happy the car was built within the budget.

Quickest keeps all the cars (haha maybe not but would make sure the budgets are kept)

Something like this?? http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/

Most would need at least 6 months to get ready though. And I reckon an additional rule of no rules regarding contact would be good. :)

SELfor50
24-12-10, 07:54 PM
So was I but I figured I'd get laughed out of the joint for being a Benz wack job. Time to start scouring the auction listings? :)


ALso... no need to. I know a workshop owner in Capitown with a pretty sweet 450SEL that could be got for less than $500. Engine runs fucking ace. And interiors schmick - so you could sell that for $500 which = budget for car is still $1300?? Isn't that how it works?? :)

Only downside is, it's on LPG....

PROSTKXY
24-12-10, 07:59 PM
sigma, 180b, gemini, corolla or some other early rwd 4potter with a vr v6 conversion should get low 14's high 13's if you dont crack the 13's n2o and away you go!

Fondles
24-12-10, 08:02 PM
4.1 corty + ebay spec turbo.

CussCuss
24-12-10, 08:04 PM
sigma, 180b, gemini, corolla or some other early rwd 4potter with a vr v6 conversion should get low 14's high 13's if you dont crack the 13's n2o and away you go!

yup, lightest car with biggest common cheap motor, gem with moo motor has been done heaps, that should run a 13 easy enough.

OKE020
24-12-10, 08:06 PM
not within the budget

psi999
24-12-10, 08:08 PM
Gutted N12 EXA + T28 on stock ECU.

ALLMTR
24-12-10, 08:10 PM
Sigma for 200
vr for 100
If you can make the mounts yourself as the kit is 1000 from v6conversions

OKE020
24-12-10, 08:14 PM
So you're in chuck?

bugle
24-12-10, 08:17 PM
If you can get a VR for $100, Gemini would be better it starts off 200kg lighter than a Sigma

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/holden-gemini-/220714919937?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item3363a26801
Gaping rust holes in the sill just need a loaf of bread and some bog

OKE020
24-12-10, 08:18 PM
I was only in if it was a drive to the track with rego type thing.
I cant see how you can get any v6 converted small light car ready for rego at $1300

HoonBoy
24-12-10, 08:21 PM
VB commodore + VR v6 drivetrain + gutted + low gears should be there or thereabouts without gas

I've been wondering what a very gutted vr (bunnings spec plastic windows gutted doors, no dash etc )with 4.1:1 gears would do.

I don't think rego should be needed, adds too much to the cost and restricts what you can do on mods. I can't see most of the cars mentioned making it from my place to the drag strip without being defected.

bugle
24-12-10, 08:23 PM
I was only in if it was a drive to the track with rego type thing.
I cant see how you can get any v6 converted small light car ready for rego at $1300

It'd have to be registered before you started, no way anything built for $1300 would get registered..

<---cop
24-12-10, 08:28 PM
If there is a bit of a lead-in to source the right car, I think I'm in on this.

12s for $2000 would be harder/easier/better imho though.
Lowest ET wins (even if we all end up running 13s)

OKE020
24-12-10, 08:30 PM
10 sec for 10K has been done to death. What about 13s for $1300?

Would be funny to chop 99% of cars on the road with a $1300 shit heap.

So i was planning a road car, not necessarily road legal but registered. Driving a $1300 shit heap into the drags and racing it is ok, trailering one in.....nah.

ALLMTR
24-12-10, 08:30 PM
If you can get a VR for $100, Gemini would be better it starts off 200kg lighter than a Sigma

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/holden-gemini-/220714919937?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item3363a26801
Gaping rust holes in the sill just need a loaf of bread and some bog

Im currently driving a vr i was given for free. . .

OKE020
24-12-10, 08:35 PM
usually comes down to never being able to find stuff for silly cheap prices when you actually need it.

Asteroid
24-12-10, 08:35 PM
Gutted N12 EXA + T28 on stock ECU.
:worship:
Long time fan of the N12, shame you would be hard pressed to find one these days. :(

jizmstr0
24-12-10, 08:36 PM
So i was planning a road car, not necessarily road legal but registered. Driving a $1300 shit heap into the drags and racing it is ok, trailering one in.....nah.

agreed. Got to have some dignity.

This sounds like fun. Thinking...

e30guy
24-12-10, 08:37 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/honda-civic-jap-import-4wd-/160521901110?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item255fd9d436

leaves me $1239 to put some mumbo in it....4wd, small, light!

TJ
24-12-10, 08:39 PM
VN with a budget toyo s/c kit?

ALLMTR
24-12-10, 08:47 PM
Anyone know the mph a stock v6 commodore traps?

fatz
24-12-10, 08:50 PM
i have a unregister r31 flapping around i recon its worth 600 bux

who can hook me up with 100 shot of naws

strip some weight out and we make it happen

psi999
24-12-10, 08:51 PM
:worship:
Long time fan of the N12, shame you would be hard pressed to find one these days. :(

couple kicking around at the $500 mark

Reckon a stripped out EXA would be a pretty quick thing - ~750kgs & ~140hp @ wheels.

Might get a coupla passes out of it.

2JZR31
24-12-10, 08:52 PM
So i was planning a road car, not necessarily road legal but registered. Driving a $1300 shit heap into the drags and racing it is ok, trailering one in.....nah.

Scotty has understood the idea. Registration and engineering (if you want to make it legal) is not included in the price. Since that would be almost the whole budget. But the car has to be driven to the drags in such a way that driving past cops wont raise a sweat. So should be registered and engineerable even if it isn't at the date of running the 13. Its supposed to be a genuine street car.

Some good ideas so far though.

Chuck will the V6 VB need a custom drive shaft? I guess it would. Who not use a AU powertrain? It has almost 160kw.

My Bro got a mint R31 for $100 from the scrap metal but its auto.

ALLMTR
24-12-10, 08:52 PM
http://m.ebay.com.au/Pages/ViewItem.aspx?aid=120662430692&emvAD=683x400&sv=sigma&emvcc=0

ALLMTR
24-12-10, 08:54 PM
Scotty has understood the idea. Registration and engineering (if you want to make it legal) is not included in the price. Since that would be almost the whole budget. But the car has to be driven to the drags in such a way that driving past cops wont raise a sweat. So should be registered and engineerable even if it isn't at the date of running the 13. Its supposed to be a genuine street car.

Some good ideas so far though.

Chuck will the V6 VB need a custom drive shaft? I guess it would. Who not use a AU powertrain? It has almost 160kw.

My Bro got a mint R31 for $100 from the scrap metal but its auto.

vb would but a vk with a bw shouldnt

brett_1gcelica
24-12-10, 08:59 PM
i think a crashed JZZ30 auto TT soarer could nearly make that budget and time (off the bat).

a bit of improv panel beating could make it look sensible too

vet 180
24-12-10, 09:01 PM
cool challenge. i think it could be done. i would even attempt it if we had a strip here in sa

ALLMTR
24-12-10, 09:02 PM
cool challenge. i think it could be done. i would even attempt it if we had a strip here in sa


gtech yo

toddy
24-12-10, 09:07 PM
How about a '79ish 323 hatch or similar?

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:eEntW1ZwOFb6NM:http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/8386/2smallrx3.jpg&t=1

Cant be any more than a few hundred bucks, plus a worn out 13b BP or PP. Even a shot of Nos might give it some more.


Wont last for long, thats for sure!

bugle
24-12-10, 09:09 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/honda-civic-jap-import-4wd-/160521901110?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item255fd9d436

leaves me $1239 to put some mumbo in it....4wd, small, light!

But the radiator won't holed water, atleast it will dose though

ALLMTR
24-12-10, 09:16 PM
From my calcs a vr would need to lose 200kg and gain 25-30 rwhp

sammm
24-12-10, 09:16 PM
XF Falcon - $300
E-Series 4.0 - $300
Cam Regrind (go as big as possible - no ECU concerns - read on) - $150
CPi manifold with 4 barrel adapter - $50
Holley 465 - $250
Distributor + mods - $50

Only leaves $200 for diff welding, a gearbox and anything else I have forgotten.

T5s start at $500 and the BW 3 speed in the XF might not last a 1/4 mile.

ALLMTR
24-12-10, 09:23 PM
Xf is only 70kg lighter than ea

Tripper
24-12-10, 09:33 PM
From my calcs a vr would need to lose 200kg and gain 25-30 rwhp

i assume you are talking about the V6
VN-VR use the buick the VS use's the ecotech from memory the K frame is a bolt in if not the same, Is a Vn 200kg lighter than a VS and is the emotec 30rwkw more, would a cheap turbo or supercharger be enough to do it

Blow
24-12-10, 09:33 PM
Interested.....

I would probably lean towards a vr with n20 and as much weight taken out with a gas axe as possible.

sammm
24-12-10, 09:34 PM
Xf is only 70kg lighter than ea

Really? Replace XF with EA then.

OKE020
24-12-10, 09:46 PM
I think out of the falcon / commodore i'd go with a manual falcon ea-el MPI + turbo

this one will do

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/88-ford-falcon-sedan-/170580873284?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item27b7699044

sammm
24-12-10, 09:54 PM
'Street Trim' EA will do 13.7 with ~175rwkw


NO HEADWORK, just shaved to raise comp, ACL bottom end, Bored Out TB, Pod Filter out the bonnet, FULL 3 inch exhaust, and a Wade1673 Cam with 3.7 LSD and a EA-T5 running on a STOCK TICKFORD ECU with AU injectors.


http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11222462

2JZR31
24-12-10, 09:55 PM
I think out of the falcon / commodore i'd go with a manual falcon ea-el MPI + turbo

:yup: Thats what I reckon. Id go for an EL because it has a dizzy you can retard. ebay FPR for more fuel and that is the tuning ECU side done. You won't need to strip weight. A 4.0 with even mild boost will run 13s. I think an auto would still do it. DIY 4.11 pintara gear swap for $50 FTW.

2JZR31
24-12-10, 09:57 PM
'Street Trim' EA will do 13.7 with ~175rwkw



http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11222462

Proof that even the slightest of boost will shit in 13s if this is all that is needed NA. Thats a good build but a turbo setup will be cheaper if done DIY with cheap arse parts. Pod out the bonnet = fucking gay.

Also there is a link somewhere of an EA-B-D or something running consistent 9s with 100% stock wrecker bottom ends. Apparently they last for ever so 13s won't be breaking a sweat. Also it would make a good daily/tow car :D

Stalker440
24-12-10, 10:00 PM
Hmmmm I have a stock reasonably good VR auto that's been sittin on my driveway for about 2 years... Just needs the power steering hooked up... Cheap stall, welded diff, dodgy eBay cooler and some 4cyl magna injectors with a dodgy extra injector hooked up for required fueling, add a boostcruising bargain turbo... Hehe :)

Could make it registrable methinks :)

2JZR31
24-12-10, 10:03 PM
Hmmmm I have a stock reasonably good VR auto that's been sittin on my driveway for about 2 years... Just needs the power steering hooked up... Cheap stall, welded diff, dodgy eBay cooler and some 4cyl magna injectors with a dodgy extra injector hooked up for required fueling, add a boostcruising bargain turbo... Hehe :)

Could make it registrable methinks :)

:yup:

HoonBoy
24-12-10, 10:06 PM
From my calcs a vr would need to lose 200kg and gain 25-30 rwhp

I reckon 200kg would be do-able, 25-30rwhp might take a few dollars. Looks like nitrous would do it easily.


i assume you are talking about the V6
VN-VR use the buick the VS use's the ecotech from memory the K frame is a bolt in if not the same, Is a Vn 200kg lighter than a VS and is the emotec 30rwkw more, would a cheap turbo or supercharger be enough to do it

Commodore V6 Auto Exec.
VN - 1335kg, 125kw
VR - 1347kg, 130kw
VS - 1409kg, 147kw
VS - 1454kg, 147kw (Wagon)

All according to redbok. Not worth the effort or putting the ecotech in the VN, but worth the effort of buying a VS over a VN.

Stalker440
24-12-10, 10:08 PM
Mayhap we could make this an epic inter state PF battle. Everyone be honest about it, keep all receipts, video evidence plus a build thread with pics of build etc...

Stalker440
24-12-10, 10:11 PM
Losing cunts get to see pics of queenslanders celebrating at cabaret club with mountains of coke ;)

OKE020
24-12-10, 10:13 PM
:yup: Thats what I reckon. Id go for an EL because it has a dizzy you can retard. ebay FPR for more fuel and that is the tuning ECU side done. You won't need to strip weight. A 4.0 with even mild boost will run 13s. I think an auto would still do it. DIY 4.11 pintara gear swap for $50 FTW.

I was just thinking manual if you could find a car with a good clutch still. Should be way less effort to get it to 60', budget does not allow for convertors etc, should also be ok with the tall diff gears then to.

From a quick read around there is not much head room in the standard fuel system so maybe 1 or 2 additional stock injectors in manifold supplied with fuel via there own pump and lines. Maybe even rig up a cheap tank with slighlty higher octane brew to mix in under boost. Hobb switch could activate the extra injectors, come to think of it might be easier to use the pre mpi engined car so can run a staged set of injectors using the drivers from the stock 2 injectors.

ALLMTR
24-12-10, 10:17 PM
Ea falcon + au motor with holley 4 barrel

psi999
24-12-10, 10:17 PM
I was just thinking manual if you could find a car with a good clutch still. Should be way less effort to get it to 60', budget does not allow for convertors etc, should also be ok with the tall diff gears then to.

From a quick read around there is not much head room in the standard fuel system so maybe 1 or 2 additional stock injectors in manifold supplied with fuel via there own pump and lines. Maybe even rig up a cheap tank with slighlty higher octane brew to mix in under boost. Hobb switch could activate the extra injectors, come to think of it might be easier to use the pre mpi engined car so can run a staged set of injectors using the drivers from the stock 2 injectors.

black malpassi 1.7:1 FPR sort out extra fueling?

Boxer
24-12-10, 10:22 PM
:worship:
Long time fan of the N12, shame you would be hard pressed to find one these days. :(

Back up plan Pulsar ET turbs, same hairdrier on 25psi, cheap water meth and s/h drag bags should see 14's easy, gutted, maybe dip into 13

XR Pilot
24-12-10, 10:26 PM
Old turbo Ovlov, FMIC, exhaust, boost. Ebay spec turbo upgrade if needed. I reckon it would shit it in. Manuals might not fit in the budget tho and I don't know how well the autos hold up.

Stalker440
24-12-10, 10:27 PM
N13 pulsar Vector has extra cubes to play with, weigh fuck all too...

2JZR31
24-12-10, 10:28 PM
Old mate ran 175rwkw and 13.7 with stock ECU and AU injectors. I assume only 6 of them. But an extra injector setup with E85 would be cheap and full of even more win. Manual would be the go but there will be a manual tax. I also have my doubts on the clutch holding up. I thought 4.11s and a smallish turbo would get the auto to 60 OK. You can get a pintara diff for $50. Plus I believe the power this car would have would real it in like a 12 sec car in the deep end. However I do know a usual EL etc is pathetic off the mark usually! The question is would the gears and smallish turbo get it to launch?

Boxer
24-12-10, 10:35 PM
N13 pulsar Vector has extra cubes to play with, weigh fuck all too...

You'll spend too much on custom manifolds, decompressing and shit.

N12's already Turbo

mick.wheelz
24-12-10, 11:23 PM
Camry (either 3SFE or 5SFE powered) - $200ish
e.g
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Toyota-Camry-CSi-1993-4D-Sedan-4-SP-Automatic-2-2-/250744287136?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item3a61862fa0
5SFE Rev 2 would be preferable, as it has a knock sensor and makes a fair load of torque when turbo'd

a new head + gasket kit would be under $200 for the above camry

3SGTE CT26 stock turbo + manifold + dump - $200 or less (i got mine for $170)
Dodgy ass exhaust - $100
Cheap ass boost tee - $20-50
2bar map sensor - $20-50
300cc+ Denso injectors - $50 (maybe)
Ebay ass IC and piping kit - $200
Misc shit - $200

Strip as much weight as possible from the camry, turbo/etc will just bolt on, retard the arse out of the timing with the dizzy, chuck in the 2bar map and new injectors, set to 16psi and prob crack high-mid 13s.

Billzilla
24-12-10, 11:25 PM
AE-70.
4AGZE.
Cheap turbo + home-made manifolds.

Not sure of the costings of that sorry but if you did enough scrounging it should be close.

MR22ZZ
25-12-10, 12:15 AM
AE-70.
4AGZE.
Cheap turbo + home-made manifolds.

Not sure of the costings of that sorry but if you did enough scrounging it should be close.

that's what I was thinkning... could probably do it even cheaper with an AE82

Gavatron
25-12-10, 01:41 AM
Camry (either 3SFE or 5SFE powered) - $200ish
e.g
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Toyota-Camry-CSi-1993-4D-Sedan-4-SP-Automatic-2-2-/250744287136?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item3a61862fa0
5SFE Rev 2 would be preferable, as it has a knock sensor and makes a fair load of torque when turbo'd

a new head + gasket kit would be under $200 for the above camry

3SGTE CT26 stock turbo + manifold + dump - $200 or less (i got mine for $170)
Dodgy ass exhaust - $100
Cheap ass boost tee - $20-50
2bar map sensor - $20-50
300cc+ Denso injectors - $50 (maybe)
Ebay ass IC and piping kit - $200
Misc shit - $200

Strip as much weight as possible from the camry, turbo/etc will just bolt on, retard the arse out of the timing with the dizzy, chuck in the 2bar map and new injectors, set to 16psi and prob crack high-mid 13s.

This has merit. Thinking this wouldn't work with the stock 5SFE computer, then reading one link about using the 'magic triangle' of parts changed my mind completely.

http://warp.scl.utah.edu/mr2/Turbo5sfe.html

MRMOPARMAN
25-12-10, 06:48 AM
valiant with 265 - free to $200

4bbl manifold with holley -$200

2nd hand hot cam and new lifters and valve springs - $200ish

cm val manifolds and bodged up exhausts -$20

1c mod on bw35 - 1c

pintara gears + falcon LSD - $150

historic rego - $80 per year.

done. total $850.01 and still enough left over for a n2o kit to get you deep into 13's, maybe even 12's with borrowed slicks and a convertor

OKE020
25-12-10, 06:58 AM
Build me that car and i'll give you 1k for it

MRMOPARMAN
25-12-10, 07:02 AM
lol. id love to do it, all i need is an auto column and pitara gears and id have all the stuff to do it too! gotta save for wedding though :(

how about i build it and i let you race it for me since ill be a poor cunt

OKE020
25-12-10, 07:05 AM
Tell me about it, christmas just wiped me out real well

MRMOPARMAN
25-12-10, 07:23 AM
the car will be garaged 10mins from heathcote raceway too..

fuck it. if i pick up some backyarders, ill blow it on the val :)

ALLMTR
25-12-10, 07:30 AM
I cant see a turbo setup coming in under budget. I don't see much of a challenge with nitrous. So is anyone actually going to try this?

<---cop
25-12-10, 07:32 AM
Fuck you cunts!
I'm opening presents and thinking of combos lol

Thinking FWD for $500, stripped to sub 800kg, eBay turbo manifold, factory RB20 turbo or similar.... Hmmmmm

Ps merry Xmas cunts

SausageFingers
25-12-10, 07:48 AM
Fuck you cunts!
I'm opening presents and thinking of combos lol

Thinking FWD for $500, stripped to sub 800kg, eBay turbo manifold, factory RB20 turbo or similar.... Hmmmmm

Ps merry Xmas cunts

Yeah, I think I am keen give this a crack.

Mr Purple
25-12-10, 08:02 AM
valiant with 265 - free to $200

4bbl manifold with holley -$200

2nd hand hot cam and new lifters and valve springs - $200ish

cm val manifolds and bodged up exhausts -$20

1c mod on bw35 - 1c

pintara gears + falcon LSD - $150

historic rego - $80 per year.

done. total $850.01 and still enough left over for a n2o kit to get you deep into 13's, maybe even 12's with borrowed slicks and a convertor

Hmm... I have a CM with a 265 and extractors sitting around which could do this. $70 invested so far and it's almost roadworthy. Where does one get a decent 4bbL with holley from for $200?

2JZR31
25-12-10, 08:08 AM
Camry (either 3SFE or 5SFE powered) - $200ish
e.g
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Toyota-Camry-CSi-1993-4D-Sedan-4-SP-Automatic-2-2-/250744287136?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item3a61862fa0
5SFE Rev 2 would be preferable, as it has a knock sensor and makes a fair load of torque when turbo'd

a new head + gasket kit would be under $200 for the above camry

3SGTE CT26 stock turbo + manifold + dump - $200 or less (i got mine for $170)
Dodgy ass exhaust - $100
Cheap ass boost tee - $20-50
2bar map sensor - $20-50
300cc+ Denso injectors - $50 (maybe)
Ebay ass IC and piping kit - $200
Misc shit - $200

Strip as much weight as possible from the camry, turbo/etc will just bolt on, retard the arse out of the timing with the dizzy, chuck in the 2bar map and new injectors, set to 16psi and prob crack high-mid 13s.

That is interesting. I am trying to figure out how the tuning works. I will read that link later as I am getting ready to go out.

The 2 bar map sensor will mean less fuel is injected at any given load point. So fitting correctly sized bigger injectors will bring AFRs back to normal plus add the fuel required for boost. But with massively advanced ignition timing, so you use the dizzy for retard. Close?

This would fit the bill as a good daily too.

OKE020
25-12-10, 08:21 AM
Yeah i am keen to try it with a coon, it ill be the first ford i have ever owned doh!

Tripper
25-12-10, 08:21 AM
Cheap holden with a red 6 motor, a Jmac ghetto spec turbo setup, run water injection instead on a cooler to keep cost down, would have to go close to 13's

OKE020
25-12-10, 08:41 AM
So lets come up with some guidelines and a new thread to get this going :)

mick.wheelz
25-12-10, 08:51 AM
This has merit. Thinking this wouldn't work with the stock 5SFE computer, then reading one link about using the 'magic triangle' of parts changed my mind completely.

http://warp.scl.utah.edu/mr2/Turbo5sfe.html

I know for a fact it works because i did it to my celica, hehe.

That said, I spent a bit more and got an emanage blue and wideband, better quality bits, etc, etc.

But on a rev 2 with a knock sensor, it can pull timing (plus you set base timing to like 7deg btdc (factory its 10)... if (when) it knocks under boost the sensor will tell the ecu to pull timing.

The bigger injectors take care of your fuel needs (although rich as a cunt at some places in the fuel map without a way to tune it)




That is interesting. I am trying to figure out how the tuning works. I will read that link later as I am getting ready to go out.

The 2 bar map sensor will mean less fuel is injected at any given load point. So fitting correctly sized bigger injectors will bring AFRs back to normal plus add the fuel required for boost. But with massively advanced ignition timing, so you use the dizzy for retard. Close?

This would fit the bill as a good daily too.

this is basically how it works, and yes you retard the base timing at the dizzy, and prey your knock sensor works!

<---cop
25-12-10, 08:58 AM
so lets come up with some guidelines and a new thread to get this going :)

+1

ALLMTR
25-12-10, 09:00 AM
1. No nitrous
2. Within rta capcity guidelines (no big block 120ys)
3. Safety items not counted in total ie ball joints/wheel bearings
4. "reasonable" cost of items ie can't claim big block chev for $12.95

Kyle
25-12-10, 09:07 AM
10s for $100?

<---cop
25-12-10, 09:12 AM
Agree with allmtr.

Tyres part of cost? Clutches?
Both probably fucked and would take a chunk of cash.

ALLMTR
25-12-10, 09:14 AM
IMO clutches are part of the cost but tyres can be borrowed. . . . .

2JZR31
25-12-10, 09:16 AM
Tyres can be had for like $30 a wheel with legal tread. If you allow clutches you must allow converters for autos, so thats out I think. A stock new clutch is what $130?

Mr Ed
25-12-10, 09:24 AM
The manual R31 skyline we got from Pickles for Hampton cost $150.

That plus a turbo, a couple extra injectors, some sort of shit injector controller and homemade manifold/side pipe would do it.

2JZR31
25-12-10, 09:26 AM
The manual R31 skyline we got from Pickles for Hampton cost $150.

That plus a turbo, a couple extra injectors, some sort of shit injector controller and homemade manifold/side pipe would do it.

That would do it. If you can find a manual for that sort of price you will be off for an excellent start. Normally the gearbox is worth $300.

morerevsm3
25-12-10, 09:34 AM
hmmm, 1 son has a bmw e30 323i manual that was $500, ebay turbo manifold and s/h turbo, ic, ehaust tube piping could do it under budget, other son has e21 323i manual...cost $305, both are registered

Andrew Bolt
25-12-10, 09:55 AM
or 7MGTE into a crown/cressida. can do it with stock toyo parts bin shit and 7M's are almost throwaways these days.
Friend had a 7MGTE Corona Mk2. Ran 12.8 so the early Crown/Cressida/Mk2 option is a goer.

I bought an old engineless Crown ute for $100. The scrounging for a 7M begins. By the way this thing runs 4 wheel drums.

OKE020
25-12-10, 09:59 AM
:) just peeled a kg of prawns for cocktails and came up with a few more ideas haha, really need to get the car for <$400

Agree with chuck

No n20
tyres can be rwc item
clutch yeah should be part of the $1300
all cars to be rego'd and drive to track

I spent an hour this morning figuring out a way to sort the fuel and ignition with jaycar bits, walbro pumps, injectors etc comes out over $500 which does not leave much for turbo bits etc. Am now thinking cheap staged methanol injection using jaycar voltage switches, a commodore map sensor, a cheap efi pump, lpg gas solenoids and reg plus engine bay tank might be an idea.

Better start looking for cheap turbo & gate deals. I have a scrap bin behind my business that usually has some still useful exhaust tubing / mufflers that will come in handy.

floody
25-12-10, 10:10 AM
R31 GX with the interior half stripped and a big NOS shot?

R31 Silhouette/Ti, $fewhundred, sell interior off to R31 dorks (+$fewhundred), cheapo bucket like Takai's $50 one in, Pintara death chair from the wreckers, ebay turbo setup, win?

Ben.
25-12-10, 10:13 AM
PLE020:
find some old injectors laying around, or buy some for $5 each from a wrecker
hobbs switch is about $25 off ebay
knock up a tank if your handy, or buy a cheap surge tank off ebay.
get an old VL fuel pump + pressure reg.
run meth through it all
wind boost and dizzy both right off the scale.
win, or lose in a hail storm of gudgeon pins and pieces of block. shit you might even be able to do both

$1300 is fucking tight though, only realisitc option is VN+NOS i think

turbo conversions wont work IMO, by the time you get turbo/full exhaust/cooler/piping/oil lines/backyard spec tuning, on top of the car itself... price will be well over 1300, unless your very lucky/patient

also some of us will have parts 'just laying around' that may be a big head start which others wont have, might want to adress that if this is to be a serious competition

HoonBoy
25-12-10, 10:32 AM
Needing rego puts me out, too much effort and money on something that wouldn't be legal to drive on the road.

"free" stuff needs to be considered carefully, having access to discarded exhaust bits is obviously going to save a large wack of money over someone who has to buy the bits. Same for getting a free or really cheap car that other people won't have access to. It's basically the same problem with all low budget challenges, how do you police what the cost should be on second hand stuff.

Jim
25-12-10, 10:41 AM
Yeah fuck rego. Last thing I need is more rego costs and yet another car. Call it registrable and I'm still in.

OKE020
25-12-10, 10:41 AM
most will play fair those who dont will get pf lynch mobbed, people on this forum will know what is reasonable purchase price. I guess the idea is to create something that is repeatable within the budget.

HoonBoy
25-12-10, 10:48 AM
Another random option, VN-VS commo, mount turbo where the cat is now, make a dodgy inlet manifold top to mount holley and run blow through on E85 so the NA ignition timing is still OK. Would save lots of dollars on turbo manifolds and efi fiddling.

<---cop
25-12-10, 11:12 AM
Needing rego puts me out, too much effort and money on something that wouldn't be legal to drive on the road.

That kind of is what makes it a challenge.

Free shit should have a token market value attached maybe.

RNS-11Z
25-12-10, 11:14 AM
should we make it then 13s for $1500?

meggala
25-12-10, 12:05 PM
SHIT the nopics step daughter has an exa she paid 500 for and it runs I have a r32 intercooler some piping and boost hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. tempted has legal tyres and goes ok .
/meggala goes out to shed to look for s-afc.......

shez handy with a spanner as well 3 yr apprentice diesel mechanic....
I can feel some blokes getting owned :D

Boxer
25-12-10, 12:08 PM
10s for $100?

100sec for $100 :D

Ben.
25-12-10, 01:09 PM
^ pay me $100 and i'll run the 400m for you

hoonboy, what your suggesting, but just go meth injection, alot less fucking around, leave all the standard efi gear and do what i said in my last post. meth/hobb switch etc.

rather than setting a goal of 13's, why not just see who can go the fastest for $XXXX. maybe raise it up to $3000, would reaaalllyyy open up the options then, turbo conversions would become more reasonable, but its still a small enough amount of money for lots of people to get involved

millsi
25-12-10, 02:53 PM
how cheap can a ca18det be had with turbo, ecu etc but no gearbox?

MRMOPARMAN
25-12-10, 03:10 PM
Hmm... I have a CM with a 265 and extractors sitting around which could do this. $70 invested so far and it's almost roadworthy. Where does one get a decent 4bbL with holley from for $200?

pretty much a case of "right place at right time". i actually got a cain 4bbl with reco 465 holley for $150! cast iron (converted 2bbl) manifolds go on ebay regularly for $50ish. or maybe run a 500holley with adapter on stock manifold?

cm isnt a bad base, they weigh 100kg more than pre CL vals though due to side intrusion bars in the doors and a few other things, but have cold air inake standard, better brakes/suspension and the elb distributor (makes efi conversions easier)

oxy
25-12-10, 03:10 PM
how cheap can a ca18det be had with turbo, ecu etc but no gearbox?

Someone dump a ca18det 'box on your driveway?

fatz
25-12-10, 03:23 PM
how cheap can a ca18det be had with turbo, ecu etc but no gearbox?

500

Andrew Bolt
25-12-10, 03:34 PM
There is no way I can get the ute registered and running a 13 for 1300. Unreg, I could do it but I wouldn't be able to stop.

MRMOPARMAN
25-12-10, 04:01 PM
historic rego dave ;)

F-Trukin
25-12-10, 04:04 PM
Is it possible to reclaim some of the purchase price of vehicle if you sell stuff off it, eg buy $700 car sell $400 worth of bits off it, so $1000 left for mods??

millsi
25-12-10, 04:39 PM
i believe reg etc isnt included in the price.

re the ca18 gearbox, im thinking the ca20 is a bolt up?

MRMOPARMAN
25-12-10, 04:59 PM
even so, if you have to reg the car to be in the competition, people with dirty old shitty cars like me n dave, you may as well make it a 10year competition. if i had to go full reg on my vals it would mean a full rebuild. historic rego on the other hand, is easier and cheaper to get, and serves the purpose

JZK25
25-12-10, 05:10 PM
There is no way I can get the ute registered and running a 13 for 1300. Unreg, I could do it but I wouldn't be able to stop.


I have a 7MGTE that you should buy. Needs a turbo and afm but has a T3 flange adaptor so you could fit any number of turbos. Has ecu and wiring loom. PM if keen.

Andrew Bolt
25-12-10, 05:12 PM
It was your ad on Toymods that piqued my interest.

JZK25
25-12-10, 05:18 PM
It will be at a reduced price for you.
There's also a fairly mint Corona MK2 sedan up here with 60k on the clock that you should buy. Wants about $1500.

<---cop
25-12-10, 05:30 PM
The more i think about it, the more i think it should be.

$2000 street car challenge

1. No nitrous
2. Within rta capcity guidelines (no big block 120ys)
3. Safety items not counted in total ie ball joints/wheel bearings
4. Receipt or fair market value for all parts

Includes vehicle purchase but not rego costs.
Must drive to track.
Fastest car wins.

/zoomfeature

Andrew Bolt
25-12-10, 05:33 PM
Cambelt would be interested in the sedan. He posted in your ad. I think I need to buy the donk.

9triton
25-12-10, 05:33 PM
historic rego on the other hand, is easier .... to get, and serves the purpose


not so - your car still needs to be RWC - and be fairly standard.

and if your club lets modded cars it would /should be engineered as per any normal full reg car mods requiring an eng cert

street rods (SR) is slighty different - but its signed by an engineer

if you in sth australia - you cant even have different wheels (i believe) on historic reg

JZK25
25-12-10, 05:39 PM
The engine even has two extra injectors in the x over pipe. Perfect for dodgy drag cars.

Andrew Bolt
25-12-10, 05:44 PM
PM sent.

sammm
25-12-10, 06:02 PM
I think the rules and competition should be kept to a minimum - too many of these budget based competitions are killed by their own rules.

Make it the "I'm going to spend $1300 and see how fast I can go and you should too" challenge and you are on a winner.

Valiants must still be heavy though (1400kg??) is the 265 really that good?

dirty_sandwich
25-12-10, 06:43 PM
Bluebird mentioned earlier in the thread for $500
253 from the wreckers i bought for $300
Rebuilt trimatic i have market value = $800
Weld diff $0

$1600. damn. I agree with changing this to a bang for buck formula.

TonyJZX
25-12-10, 06:48 PM
if someone could get a ca18det for a few hundred and drop it into that $500 bluebird, it would probably piss in 13 secs...

dirty_sandwich
25-12-10, 06:52 PM
Hmm I'm not up on the jap motors so that would be out for me. Plus this 253 I already have. I'm thinking seriously about this bluebird. Would be good to meet some of you cunts as well.

MRMOPARMAN
25-12-10, 06:56 PM
Valiants must still be heavy though (1400kg??) is the 265 really that good?

VH-VK are a tad more than 1400kg.. CMs are 1510ish!

ill be starting with a VG however, which is around 1220ish

265s with mild mods are usually good for 13's, however anything better than that can become spendy!

MRMOPARMAN
25-12-10, 07:04 PM
not so - your car still needs to be RWC - and be fairly standard.

and if your club lets modded cars it would /should be engineered as per any normal full reg car mods requiring an eng cert

street rods (SR) is slighty different - but its signed by an engineer

if you in sth australia - you cant even have different wheels (i believe) on historic reg

yes and no (in victoria anyways)

most clubs are alot less strict on rust. the cars still have to be safe though. mild mods are usually ok with the clubs too.

* in my case, the VG with 265.. the engine is 10ci larger than the largest 6cyl made for them, and is the same engine family.
*they came with 3speed autos from the factory.
*they came with borg warmer diffs from the factory, however mine will have 10" drums, 1" larger than factory.
*they had optional front discs, ill be using later CM front discs, which have alloy calipers instead of cast iron. clubs in vic wont pick that.
*VG pacers had an optional 4BBL inlet from the factory. mines an aftermarket manifold and holley instead of factory carter. no biggie. will mod factory aircleaner to fit it.
*will fit 15" falcon rims for the drags (i suspect easier to find slicks to borrow) however for club reg ill run factory hubcaps and 14"s if required.

so really, apart from the floorpan rust in my paticular car and shit paint.. i think ill shit in historic reg. daves crown with 7MGTE will need to be inspected with original motor and then converted if he wants historic reg.

if they get snippy with me, ill quietly remind them an older member is running a 245 hemi, front discs etc in an old 1950's plymouth cranbrook? on club reg ;)

millsi
25-12-10, 07:13 PM
shitter gemini 500,
moo conversion 500-800
???
profit

OKE020
25-12-10, 07:39 PM
The more i think about it, the more i think it should be.

$2000 street car challenge

1. No nitrous
2. Within rta capcity guidelines (no big block 120ys)
3. Safety items not counted in total ie ball joints/wheel bearings
4. Receipt or fair market value for all parts

Includes vehicle purchase but not rego costs.
Must drive to track.
Fastest car wins.

/zoomfeature

So when is this going down? how long does everyone need, who is in?

da9jeff
25-12-10, 07:49 PM
can the original car be quick? I had a look at a moo powered gemi (hilux diff, all running) out near westlakes when me and a mate were thinking of entering mallanats (skidz an shit) advertised for 2200 but the drugfucked bogan was pretty desparate to sell, sms'd "ill take 1600 cash" after i had left. It was certainly a look at how not to live your life.

Anyway, if an adelaidian is interested I can give them the dudes number.

MRMOPARMAN
25-12-10, 07:50 PM
finalise rules and regs first.

im in. depending on how serious this gets, ill need a year :(

id prefer it stay at $1300. makes people be more creative and search harder for bargains. i have a feeling bootloosing sales are going to go through the roof!

zoom feature would be cool

Euroboost
25-12-10, 07:53 PM
ALso... no need to. I know a workshop owner in Capitown with a pretty sweet 450SEL that could be got for less than $500. Engine runs fucking ace. And interiors schmick - so you could sell that for $500 which = budget for car is still $1300?? Isn't that how it works?? :)

Only downside is, it's on LPG....

Details? What's the story, and if it's John's I may be in trouble since I'm there evey couple of days with stuff for him!

OKE020
25-12-10, 07:56 PM
Yeah i'd prefer to stay at the original budget of $1300 but if it goes to $2000 gives me something to do with the cressida i have in the backyard.

ALLMTR
25-12-10, 08:24 PM
Im old school so put me down for 1300. If its too hard for you, just say it Completion date should be April 1st. Moo gemini won't fit rta guidelines

MRMOPARMAN
25-12-10, 08:33 PM
Moo gemini won't fit rta guidelines

would turbo'd r31's?

ALLMTR
25-12-10, 08:34 PM
Yep

mick.wheelz
25-12-10, 08:36 PM
I'd be keen although i have half the shit already which i guess is cheating :s

Imposter Forg
25-12-10, 08:38 PM
what about a VN "floorpan with wheels" ?

MRMOPARMAN
25-12-10, 08:42 PM
what about a VN "floorpan with wheels" ?

not exactly registerable :rolleyes:

Imposter Forg
25-12-10, 08:44 PM
nah in the ACT it doesn't matter, if it's rego'd before just don't get defected and you can keep getting rego renewals, sp start with a rego'd one

Tripper
25-12-10, 08:59 PM
Im old school so put me down for 1300. If its too hard for you, just say it Completion date should be April 1st. Moo gemini won't fit rta guidelines
does a moo Gemini meet the ncorp, or what ever the national guidelines are called, cause gassed250 said in his V8 sigma thread that its up to the gingerbeer in NSW, not to mention different rules in different states.

I suggest using the Ncorp shit as part of the rules as it gives everyone equal rules, weights from wikipedia to be used.
Make the builds public, and links receipts for parts or the car must be posted, if a part you have in stock is to be used a couple of links to similar parts are required to justify the price you are claiming for it, also ebay parts the postage must be included in the purchase price as it stops people buying a $2 part and paying $500 postage for it

lysdexia
25-12-10, 08:59 PM
nah in the ACT it doesn't matter, if it's rego'd before just don't get defected and you can keep getting rego renewals, sp start with a rego'd one


no, the idea is that you have to build a registerable car

ALLMTR
25-12-10, 09:00 PM
The "free/already have one" thing would need to be managed somehow. If you did honestly, genuinely get the car/component for free then you shouldn't be penalised for that but . . .

Imposter Forg
25-12-10, 09:04 PM
registerable fucks the rules up because no cool hacked together POS's will be eligible, and those are the best kinds of cars

stuff like a 454 shoehorned into an old civic for less than $1300 etc

ALLMTR
25-12-10, 09:10 PM
RTA rules would give everyone equal rules plus you could actually register it in NSW, QLD, SA and QLD (where the majority of the competitors would come from)
Paying for postage is a bit pedantic (next you'll want fuel to the wreckers added)
If someone really wants to cheat then that is a matter for them (and the ensuing lynch mob)

ALLMTR
25-12-10, 09:11 PM
Registerablish is one of the best parts of it

Imposter Forg
25-12-10, 09:22 PM
so pretty much a '75 volvo with a big turbo

NCOP says no to anything with a turbo added after '75 cause of emissions

ALLMTR
25-12-10, 09:24 PM
PLEASE dont bring NCOP into this

psi999
25-12-10, 09:35 PM
Buy a BHG 7MGTE engine/ecu etc off toymods (from some cunt that's pulled it out of a MZ20).

Bolt all turbo shit and ecu up to a stripped-as-fuck auction special MX83 7MGE Cressida

Drop in some RX7 550cc injectors + 1UZ afm then boost = ezy 13's

Fraud
25-12-10, 09:49 PM
ok so assuming I can weld and tune myself and we're allowed to sell parts to mke money back...

Fiat 131/132 2L $400

remove head, reassemble with 2+ head gaskets to drop comp - $50 (assuming bolts are okay, and the head doesnt need machining)

T3 flange on end of stock exhaust manifold - $50?

T3 flanged 2nd hand turbo of some kind - $250

2nd hand ecu - $200

Fiat croma inlet manifold (complete with fuel rail and standard reg) - $50

13b injectors, half decent pump - $300?

fuel hose and stuff (ghetto spec) - $50

intercooler and ghetto piping - $300?

weld diff - $0

remove dash/seats/headlining/whatever and sell, gaining $350 in the process, and decreasing the weight of the car...

thats bang on $1300.. it'd do at least a few 13's before the standard clutch died i reckon.. the diff should hold... the motor would be questionable..

MRMOPARMAN
25-12-10, 09:50 PM
done! (on paper anyways)

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y75/MRMOPARMAN/racing%20pics/screenshot.png

Imposter Forg
25-12-10, 09:54 PM
superbeetle - $500
EJ22 - $200

ALLMTR
25-12-10, 10:26 PM
Damn you Dennis for coming up with this

lysdexia
25-12-10, 10:36 PM
Buy a BHG 7MGTE engine/ecu etc off toymods (from some cunt that's pulled it out of a MZ20).

Bolt all turbo shit and ecu up to a stripped-as-fuck auction special MX83 7MGE Cressida

Drop in some RX7 550cc injectors + 1UZ afm then boost = ezy 13's

presumably the afm swap makes the 550s work with the standard ecu? that's pretty rad if so, and a good candidate for this idea. fine a cressida grande and you get the torsen lsd too.

psi999
25-12-10, 10:39 PM
presumably the afm swap makes the 550s work with the standard ecu? that's pretty rad if so, and a good candidate for this idea. fine a cressida grande and you get the torsen lsd too.
:yup:

Supashake
25-12-10, 11:14 PM
Gutted 6cyl Chrysler Centura and very simple basic old skool carb exhaust,Cam job can do 13s easy.

JZK25
26-12-10, 05:41 AM
superbeetle - $500
EJ22 - $200

Rest of conversion - $5000
Still would struggle for 13's.

Andrew Bolt
26-12-10, 07:02 AM
Crown ute $100
7MGTE $400
Trust twin turbo manifold $100
2 TD04L $????
zorst $????
multiple Crown diff pumpkins $0
A340 from behind a 1UZFE $0
tailshaft $200

By the time I add in the turbos, exhaust and all the little bits to make it happen I suspect I'll be over the $1300.

millsi
26-12-10, 07:46 AM
im in

* needs to be 1300 or maybe 1500 but no more
* registration costs not part of 1300
* mod plate up to owner but not part of 1300
* consumables ie welding rods fluids etc not included in price
* stuff had for free needs to be documented and a a fair price for said item/s logged
* build thread with all receipts to be promulgated
* must stay within weight/capacity guidelines
* date needs to be set (around 6 months time might be fair)

OKE020
26-12-10, 08:04 AM
So do we start a 13s for $1500 build thread for each entry?

13S1500 - Project Moo Gemini Fail

How many are in?

fatz
26-12-10, 08:21 AM
im in

ALLMTR
26-12-10, 08:41 AM
IMO we need to set the rules before getting numbers cause if someone has say a 265 val in mind and then you allow moo nos geminis. . .

beeraddd
26-12-10, 08:43 AM
theo woollet and one of his mates already did this at willowbank about 4 years ago.
using a $900 volvo wagon. don't know volvo's but it was a mid 80's model that was turbo and auto. it was registered too, with only mod apparently being a bleed valve. everything certainly looked standard including shmick leather interior. after a number of low 14sec passes the driver finally got 13.
driver was pretty brutal though, especially when getting some heat in the rears.

my idea: mazda 121 metro 89 model motor not running $200
94 ford laser 1.8 twincam motor $300 with everything
mazda familia gtx running gear with broken gbox and blown headgasket $400
swap over all the good bits between the engines to make one good one.
gets done all the time over in the U.S, with good results. and the standard 121 gbox is aparently good for this aswell. just can't run slicks.

Jim
26-12-10, 09:14 AM
I've already started with a VN commodore stripped out and ready for nos. I don't mind changing nos to turbo but I will not be registering it. If that will fit the criteria then I'm in. If not then I won't be selling it just to buy something registered just to do the same thing to it.

tim510
26-12-10, 09:17 AM
Can I be the judge of this?

Happy to pick apart people's supposed $1300 budgets, it would bring me great joy.

Hose clamps, oil lines, bolts, manifold materials, exhausts, tailshafts, etc all add up very quickly.


My ghetto 180b cost around $5k to get running, and ran 13.3. And i did everything as cheap as possible and re-used a fuckload of stuff I had kicking around. VG30DET, Haltech, Manualised Auto, Locked R180.

I reckon you'd come close to $1300/$1500 with a ghetto CA18 series 3 bluebird.

Its not what IS required, it's what ISNT'T required that makes it possible (budget wise)

bluebird wouldn't need :

-Diff upgrade (except a locker)
-Gearbox mods
-tailshaft change

OKE020
26-12-10, 09:19 AM
Rules Draft

- Proposed Budget $1300 including vehicle cost
- Pre-purchased vehicles and parts must have an agreed reasonable value attached with no objection from other players
- Freebie vehicles / parts need to be realistic and have no objection by other players, eg - uncle bob gave me an old malpassi fuel reg, not - uncle frank gave me his ferrari f40 engine
- Cars must be registerable
- No n20
- RWC items additional to budget
- Labour, welding / grinding consumbales cost additional to budget
- A complete build log with pictures and prices needs to be kept.
- tim510 - Judge


Feel free to edit

psi999
26-12-10, 09:23 AM
Rules Draft

- Proposed Budget $1300 including vehicle cost
- Pre-purchased vehicles and parts must have an agreed reasonable value attached with no objection from other players
- Freebie vehicles / parts need to be realistic and have no objection by other players, eg - uncle bob gave me an old malpassi fuel reg, not - uncle frank gave me his ferrari f40 engine
- Cars must be registerable
- No n20
- RWC items additional to budget
- Labour, welding / grinding consumbales cost additional to budget
- A complete build log with pictures and prices needs to be kept.


Feel free to edit

Agreed mostly.

Don't agree with freebie parts though, all parts should be included in total $1300 at fair market rates (boostcruising.com)... Keeps everyone on a level playing field.

MRMOPARMAN
26-12-10, 09:32 AM
since this is dennis' baby.. i think he should decide on final rules?

draft rules look good though

OKE020
26-12-10, 09:35 AM
Rules Draft 2

- Proposed Budget $1300 including vehicle cost
- Pre-purchased vehicles and parts must have an agreed reasonable value attached with no objection from other players
- Freebie vehicles / parts must have an agreed reasonable value attached with no objection from other players
- Cars must be registerable
- No n20
- RWC items additional to budget
- Labour, welding / grinding consumbales cost additional to budget
- A complete build log with pictures and prices needs to be kept.
- tim510 - Judge

Dennis?

Feel free to edit

tim510
26-12-10, 09:36 AM
Radial Tyres additional to budget?

OKE020
26-12-10, 09:37 AM
;) RWC item

floody
26-12-10, 09:43 AM
YH51 Hiace, 4Y with NOS?

fatz
26-12-10, 09:44 AM
can we make it 1500

just nagged a rb20det r31 manual for 1500 bux

can i trade in some of the 10 months rego to get it down to 1300?

ALLMTR
26-12-10, 09:48 AM
1. No nitrous
2. Within rta capcity guidelines (no big block 120ys)
3. Safety items not counted in total ie ball joints/wheel bearings
4. "reasonable" cost of items ie can't claim big block chev for $12.95
5. Must present as registerable (Gutted is ok but cutting the roof off is a no)

fixored? ? ?

Actually regod is for restecp

psi999
26-12-10, 09:48 AM
Thought of another shit car

Stripped as fuck 1994 Hyundai Sonata 4G63 + VR4 turbo/manifold (and whatever else you can scrounge lying around).

Malpassi 1.7:1 fuel reg for fueling & spanner to retard the timing.

OKE020
26-12-10, 09:57 AM
What is an exceptable market value on a mx83 cressida rolling shell?

ALLMTR
26-12-10, 09:57 AM
Rules Draft

- Proposed Budget $1300 including vehicle cost
- Pre-purchased vehicles and parts must have an agreed reasonable value attached with no objection from other players
- Freebie vehicles / parts need to be realistic and have no objection by other players, eg - uncle bob gave me an old malpassi fuel reg, not - uncle frank gave me his ferrari f40 engine
- Cars must be registerable and within rta guidelines re capacity
- No n20
- RWC items additional to budget
- Labour, welding / grinding consumbales cost additional to budget
- A complete build log with pictures and prices needs to be kept.
- tim510 - Judge


Feel free to edit

added my 2 bits

MRMOPARMAN
26-12-10, 09:59 AM
What is an exceptable market value on a mx83 cressida rolling shell?

slab :yup:

psi999
26-12-10, 10:02 AM
What is an exceptable market value on a mx83 cressida rolling shell?

how shit?

id have no problems with $700 running.

roller with no engine and trans ~ $500?

(cause unlike a $50 VN these things are actually wanted)

RNS-11Z
26-12-10, 10:05 AM
rules draft 2 sounds good. April 9 we have TnT at willowbank, as long its ready by then i think we can make this good to go as of Jan 1? We may need a list of entrants, should we make a winners prize?

MRMOPARMAN
26-12-10, 10:05 AM
they arent that wanted. just a shity old 80s toyota sedan.

i reckon it would be worth scrap value.. roughtly $150ish?

Spac
26-12-10, 10:05 AM
A lot of you crack me up with your cost estimates.


Like BeerADDD said, a near stock turbo Volvo 740/760 will do it. Or a decent $200 240 with a $300 740 donor gets some weight out and probably adds SFA to the cost once you consider the spares/scrap value of the 740 wreck.

$300 for a manual 760T (with fucked turbo), $200 for ex-Skyline Turbo, $100 for Ebay Intercooler, $300 for 3" exhaust, $50 for boost bleed, and away you go.
The stock 740 ECU even copes with bigger injectors if you feel the need to extend the motor's lifespan to a decent amount...



And because 7MGTEs keep being metioned: I've got a 7MGTE here - made 212kw ATW in a Crown before the Crown was written off. Metal head gasket. All accessories, manual flywheel, starter, ECU w boost cut defender, and 3" dump pipe. $500 and take it away.

<---cop
26-12-10, 10:06 AM
I agree with all the rules but $1300 is too tight.
You'll just get everyone using their "free" parts to make budget which defeats the purpose.

$2000 is doable, allows more options and will promote more honesty.
Just my opinion but you guys let me s know when you decide.

RNS-11Z
26-12-10, 10:08 AM
also, would it be ok to buy an r32 gtst or toyota soarer not running for like $500 but then spend $500 on it to get it running?

Spac
26-12-10, 10:13 AM
Are we counting the money you recoup by selling off unwanted parts?

MRMOPARMAN
26-12-10, 10:14 AM
if you can get one for $500 i cant see why not? surely they'd be well fucked for that price?

ALLMTR
26-12-10, 10:15 AM
I have no problem with free or very cheap stuff but it needs to verifiablish? ? ?

Maybe?

psi999
26-12-10, 10:20 AM
Are we counting the money you recoup by selling off unwanted parts?

I say no.

One could pickup a cheap R32 GTST (insert random jap import boostcrusing shitbox here) for like 2+k then strip bits off it back down to $1300 value.

(ie, complete interior, air cond, stereo etc).

And no free random parts, every part needs an agreed dollar value.

....Pick your shitbox wisely :yup:

RNS-11Z
26-12-10, 10:22 AM
if you can get one for $500 i cant see why not? surely they'd be well fucked for that price?
hmm you would be surprised. so many of these fuckers getting around so cheap with minor problems

RNS-11Z
26-12-10, 10:24 AM
I say no.

One could pickup a cheap R32 GTST (insert random jap import boostcrusing shitbox here) for like 2+k then strip bits off it back down to $1300 value.

(ie, complete interior, air cond, stereo etc).

And no free random parts, every part needs an agreed dollar value.

....Pick your shitbox wisely :yup:

x2 no selling parts to recoup costs, that wouldnt be fair

Fraud
26-12-10, 10:27 AM
donated/gifted parts etc. can have the costs determined by the lowest price for the same/similar item on another forum (boost/ausrotary) or ebay in the last 12 months?

Also, I'd say that dispute of costs etc. can only be made by other competitors, not opened up to everyone on the forum... which counts me out because I've got nowhere to put a car :(

2JZR31
26-12-10, 10:30 AM
Check fist post.

Turning the car into a shitbox is discouraged. Selling of parts to be replaced is OK, so you can sell the old engine if you are replacing it with a new one. Or sell the old injectors if you are getting bigger ones etc. You can't sell parts of the car which will take it further from being a good street car, like interior, or 4 piston brakes on a R32 etc.

Andrew Bolt
26-12-10, 10:32 AM
My Crown has 4 wheel drums. Would the cost of a front disc brake conversion be in the budget or would it have to be outside?

MRMOPARMAN
26-12-10, 10:34 AM
im wondering this also.

hopefully comes in as rwc costs?

RNS-11Z
26-12-10, 10:34 AM
dennis, judging by the rules, if i were to buy an r32 gtst with a blown turbo and gearbox for under $1000, is that not aloud?

2JZR31
26-12-10, 10:35 AM
My Crown has 4 wheel drums. Would the cost of a front disc brake conversion be in the budget or would it have to be outside?

Here is the dillema. The cars should be made so their owners can use them after. EG, we all know you can weld a diff for next to nothing. But an LSD would not have better track performance but would make it a better street car. But when you start excusing things like this its going to make a mess of the challenge.

We should also open this challenge to other forums and clubs after we decide on rules.

OKE020
26-12-10, 10:36 AM
At the end of the day its still 13s for $1300. Still needs to remain a bit of a challenge though else whats the point.

The cressida is a fairly tidy roller with a340, i was thinking i'd use it as a base if could get an agreed value of $400. I got a 2jzge from ph@tman on here awhile back for a carton of coronas and bought another since for <$100, i already have jzx81 mounts, 1jz flex and bellhousing that i got for free but will add a combined value to these items of say $100, i have an ebay t4 mani that was $189 and still are on ebay, leaves me a bit over $550 to sort an internal gate turbo, + get some more fuel in the thing. I can get the engine running on the 7m ecu and injectors ok.

Ha ha sounds a bit impossible

MRMOPARMAN
26-12-10, 10:44 AM
Here is the dillema. The cars should be made so their owners can use them after. EG, we all know you can weld a diff for next to nothing. But an LSD would not have better track performance but would make it a better street car. But when you start excusing things like this its going to make a mess of the challenge.

We should also open this challenge to other forums and clubs after we decide on rules.

stuff like brakes (within reason) should be allowed as a safety item i think, especially if the aim is to have the car registered.

for instance,

drum to (stock) disc conversion i think should be allowed
drum to brembos is going a little far

psi999
26-12-10, 10:46 AM
At the end of the day its still 13s for $1300. Still needs to remain a bit of a challenge though else whats the point.

The cressida is a fairly tidy roller with a340, i was thinking i'd use it as a base if could get an agreed value of $400. I got a 2jzge from ph@tman on here awhile back for a carton of coronas and bought another since for <$100, i already have jzx81 mounts, 1jz flex and bellhousing that i got for free but will add a combined value to these items of say $100, i have an ebay t4 mani that was $189 and still are on ebay, leaves me a bit over $550 to sort an internal gate turbo, + get some more fuel in the thing. I can get the engine running on the 7m ecu and injectors ok.

Ha ha sounds a bit impossible

Agreed, even with the hookups you have i just cant see how its possible to complete within budget.

Something like $2000 maximum & MPH minimum of 100 would be much more achivable.

Top 3 cars could then be judged as to who has genuinely spent the least (reciepts, build history / pics etc).

So basically the aim would still be to spend under 2k but now with a MPH target & realistic budget.

my 2c anyways.

2JZR31
26-12-10, 10:49 AM
dennis, judging by the rules, if i were to buy an r32 gtst with a blown turbo and gearbox for under $1000, is that not aloud?

Buying a car already capable of 13s for fuck all because some dumb ass cant change a turbo and gearbox isn't going to be as interesting as building something up. If its near stock that is fine. If its already got a FMIC and exhaust etc and you just need to find a tranny and turbo cheap enough it just becomes an exercise in finding parts cheap enough rather than engineering. But I'm not to say you should't do it. This challenge is supposed to include as many people as possible so banning certain stuff is not within the concept.

Whether the car is nitrous based or just somehow purchased for under $1300 just needing a repair to hit 13s, can be considered by the PF lynch mob when voting.

Spac
26-12-10, 10:50 AM
I say no.

One could pickup a cheap R32 GTST (insert random jap import boostcrusing shitbox here) for like 2+k then strip bits off it back down to $1300 value.

And then it will be a $1300 car, so it meets the criteria, surely?

Or is the challenge actually about finding illogical ways to do 13s for 1300?


My plan (and its something I was planning long before I saw this thread, so I've already done the parts collecting) is:
1. $300 Volvo 760T. Sold manual conversion bits for $300. Therefore B23ET & ECU & 15" alloys owe me $0.
2. $200 Early Volvo 245, with manual box + 4.11 diff gears.
3. $200 RB25 BB turbo.
4. $100 Ebay IC.
5. $200 for DIY 3" exhaust.

Surely this is the kind of thing the challenge is hoping to acheive?

2JZR31
26-12-10, 10:55 AM
Rules Draft 3

- Proposed Budget $1300 including vehicle cost
- Closest cost to $1300 wins if all over budget
- If more than one car is under $1300 the quickest wins
- Pre-purchased vehicles and parts must have an agreed reasonable value attached with no objection from other players
- Freebie vehicles / parts must have an agreed reasonable value attached with no objection from other players
- Cars must be registerable
- N20 allowed but not judged against other cars (the more cars built the better)
- RWC items additional to budget
- Labour, welding / grinding consumbales cost additional to budget
- A complete build log with pictures and prices needs to be kept.
- Buying cars with engine conversions already done, or a 13 sec car just needing a few small repairs from BC for fishtank and fathers mag light etc is frowned upon but not banned. This is an engineering challenge not a mad ebaying skillz competition.

HoonBoy
26-12-10, 11:08 AM
What about tyres? Are we allowing borrowed drag radials/slicks/semi slicks or sticking to true street tyres?

Gutted interiors OK? Technically they stop it being registerable..

ALLMTR
26-12-10, 11:25 AM
24hr poll on objects of debate should get the rules done by Jan 1

I suggest starting with nos or no nos

HoonBoy
26-12-10, 11:29 AM
0.5 second penalty for nos?

vet 180
26-12-10, 11:42 AM
2 categories? Nos and no nos? It seems easy to get a cheap vn and slap a cheap nos system to get 13's. Plus nos cost a bit to fill.

ALLMTR
26-12-10, 11:43 AM
Pop quiz, hotshot: So my neighbour offers to buy me lunch if i get rid of this so he can slash his property better?

http://img534.imageshack.us/i/20101226125358.jpg/

Value?

<---cop
26-12-10, 11:44 AM
Someone ask Jesus to setup a sub section under street cars for build threads and a sticky thread for parts hunters like "anyone know where I can find a T25 turbo for $150?!"

RNS-11Z
26-12-10, 12:47 PM
then we should put a list of cars that are not allowed to enter? is the point of this 13sec for 1300? or the most not so doable car doing 13sec for 1300? im trying to create as many objective viewing points so every one has an understanding. why is it not ok to buy say like an r32 for under 1k but its ok to buy an exa? is it because the r32 has better potential to do 13s for 1300? at the end of the day if your in budget and you have proof who can argue? yes i agree it would be more interesting if you can get a vn or el doing it but then does it become an engineering exercise or abit of fun? dont take it the wrong way, im just trying to cut down as many possible hurdles that there may be.

h.

Jim
26-12-10, 12:51 PM
How about we propose our project cars and put them to an eligibility vote.

Spac
26-12-10, 12:58 PM
Anyone here NOT a public servant?

ALLMTR
26-12-10, 01:05 PM
I dont have a problem with r32 theory but selling bits off any car to drop the cost isnt on IMO. I could get ten cars for 100 each and wreck them out to have $5000 to spend

RotorBoy
26-12-10, 01:09 PM
Already have a project going with a mate that should fit into this challenge.

auto EA Ford with a switzer bolted to the side of it.

How much is a EA going to be valued at in this challenge?

RNS-11Z
26-12-10, 01:09 PM
I dont have a problem with r32 theory but selling bits off any car to drop the cost isnt on IMO. I could get ten cars for 100 each and wreck them out to have $5000 to spend

i totally agree, no wrecking of cars should be allowed, only modifications to reach the target time with in budget of $1300. What im trying to get at is, with out making it too complicated yes we want to have some fun, but whats the difference between having everything already there that you just need to fit to buying a car with the potential for next to nothing requiring some coin to be spent on it to do 13secs?

Gats
26-12-10, 01:12 PM
Anyone here NOT a public servant?

QFT, anyone would think the prize was 30 billion dollars the way everyone is nitpicking every single rule

The less rules the better

1. $1300 max (if you go over and want to enter, it's a 0.1 second penalty for every extra $100 spent)
2. No NAAAWS
3. RWC/REGO/Safety shit not included
4. No selling off bits to increase your spending money
5. Stuff you already have has to be valued

/end rules

ALLMTR
26-12-10, 01:13 PM
I reckon, say, $200-$300 for any old shitter is a fair valuation

ALLMTR
26-12-10, 01:17 PM
Yeah i reckon basic rules. At least that way you guys can have something to winge about when I kick your asses :)