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Jim
26-12-10, 07:32 PM
So this is our entry.
Bog stock VN V6 auto with boot rust.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/Red%20VN/IMG_0553.jpg

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/Red%20VN/IMG_0589.jpg

I swapped the HZ ute for it. Ute didn't sell on ebay twice (winning bidders dicked me around both times) so it was on it's way for scrap when a fella said "hey do you want to swap it for a VN?". Scrap value was about $100 so that's what I'm claiming the VN is worth.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/Red%20VN/IMG_0554.jpg

Fully registered some time ago!


http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/Red%20VN/IMG_0557.jpg

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/Red%20VN/IMG_0556.jpg

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/Red%20VN/IMG_0555.jpg
^
|Light Weight Race

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/Red%20VN/IMG_0590.jpg

It's getting a diet.

I started doing this before the whole 13's for $1300 came about and I'm fucked if I'm putting all that shit back in there.

Original intention was a shit load of NOS but if you cunts decide NOS is out then I'll find a turbo that can go where the CAT used to.

So far it has cost:

$36 for a fan belt
$100 for a set of 4.11's
$90 for a mini spool from ebay I bought like 5 years ago, but I may just weld the diff.
$200 for the nitrous kit (I think - may have been $150. Seriously don't remember). May be irrelevant if nitrous is not allowed.
$30 for the hotdog
$10 for the downpipe exhaust
$195 for the stall converter (Guy was shitty haha his offsider fucked up the ad as it was meant to be $100 more.)
$40 Corvette servo
$50 carton of beer (EEPROM reprogram)
$70 shift kit
$150 extractors (I think?)
some other fiddly shit I don't remember. (spark plugs/tek screws)

Running total: $950ish

**EDIT**
Best time to date: 12.36@108 on NOS (Uncle) and 14.7@91 N/A (Jim).

Fondles
26-12-10, 07:37 PM
way for scrap when a fella said "hey do you want to swap it for a VN?". Scrap value was about $100 so that's what I'm claiming the VN is worth.


You had best go and drop the price of that mushroom by $100.00

Jim
26-12-10, 07:39 PM
mushroom no longer for sale. I ate it.

Potsy
26-12-10, 07:41 PM
Fuck Jim, into the $500's , over-capitalising a bit there mate.
Love the minor boot rust....

dirty_sandwich
26-12-10, 07:48 PM
That's pretty good luck that the bloke pulled you up! I posted a link to a moo turbo kit in the 13's thread if your interested. :)

Fuck PF is awesome

ALLMTR
26-12-10, 07:51 PM
No nitrous ya cheat

sammm
26-12-10, 07:57 PM
13s for $1300 with the turbo then 12s for $1450 with the NOS kit??

Jim
26-12-10, 08:39 PM
That's pretty good luck that the bloke pulled you up! I posted a link to a moo turbo kit in the 13's thread if your interested. :)

Fuck PF is awesome

Saw that! Doubt it'd come in under budget tho as he hasn't stated a price on it. Doubt he'd sell it for $600.


13s for $1300 with the turbo then 12s for $1450 with the NOS kit??


That's my thought too. Or if it isnt eligable for the 13's for $1300 I'll just have to run 12's for $800 :lol:

Jay_G
26-12-10, 08:46 PM
http://www.boostcruising.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=671799

Jim
26-12-10, 08:49 PM
not convinced a supercharger from a 2.0L will pump the 10psi needed on a 3.8L. And $800 plus $550 = $1300 not to mention it still needs tyres and shit.

ChrisS
26-12-10, 10:35 PM
http://www.boostcruising.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=671799

Surly a turbo set up would be better for that price?

dhs
27-12-10, 12:26 AM
shame about the bootrust as that looks like an otherwise half decent vn!!
cut and polish the paint before you send it to nitrous nirvana :)

[TUFFVQ]
27-12-10, 01:31 AM
This appeals to my interests.
I have a brand new china t3/t4 turbo sitting on my bookshelf for this if you want? Can confirm specs and get photos if you're interested. Dunno what it's worth but I don't really have much use for it.

Jim
27-12-10, 09:56 AM
PM sent.
Jay also has the megasquirt I sold him bloody ages ago he's offered to sell me back so the ECU problem may have been solved changed.

It looks ok in photos but the paint is fucked and the driver's door is dented where it has been opened into the guard at some stage. But yeah, it'll get a cleanup.

Uncle (Steamboat) is going to be co-piloting and co-building but he's on holidays at the moment.

Jim
27-12-10, 09:56 AM
fuck this double posting shit

ALLMTR
27-12-10, 10:11 AM
Does Uncle know he's co-piloting and co-building?

Jim
27-12-10, 10:15 AM
actually the whole thing was his suggestion! LOL
I started early because he went on holidays.

ALLMTR
27-12-10, 10:25 AM
So how much is the turbo where the cat was going to cost?

Jim
27-12-10, 10:28 AM
dunno, haven't heard from TUFF yet. That's the project killer cost there. Have seen some dodgey chinese T4 clones with internal gate on ebay for less than $400 so it's still a possibility.

Jay_G
27-12-10, 10:29 AM
do you still have to wrx turbos you had a couple of years ago?

and possibility? http://www.boostcruising.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=650807 its a turbo and manifold so halve the cost and you get a slightly smokey $75 turbo

Jim
27-12-10, 10:35 AM
no, sold them a few years back...

ALLMTR
27-12-10, 10:38 AM
You'll need a return pump,yeah?

OKE020
27-12-10, 10:41 AM
Yeah i was thinking that, the VDO pumps are >$200

Cool project base

Jim
27-12-10, 10:47 AM
wonder how long a fuel pump would last with hot oil.
other thought was a holden oil pump on a washer motor :lol:

Jay_G
27-12-10, 10:52 AM
stupid idea, will a second power steering pump work somehow if you could remove the reservoir and use the reservoir feed as the suction part?? or the Holden oil pump could be a lot better, and use a old cordless drill from a garage sale and hook it up to the 12v. Ghetto.

OKE020
27-12-10, 11:01 AM
also no reason why the turbo cant use a stand alone oiling system like when jet boys make stuff out of them

HoonBoy
27-12-10, 11:16 AM
This thing looks slow from my rear view mirror! :D

I'm struggling to see a turbo setup coming in under budget. Oil control and plumbing makes the under car setup too expensive. If you could get a flange plate cheap enough a single bank log manifold turbo setup from the drivers with the exhaust going out the passenger side could work but won't leave much money for fuel control. Tuning a megasquirt from scratch without a dyno or road time would be painful and still pushing the budget. Might be able to do it with a draw through holley on that setup.

Jim
27-12-10, 11:25 AM
it's do-able but yeah it'll be close to the wire.
hah, could disconnect the PS and use the pump as the scavenge and plumb it back into the sump :lol: wouldn't last long before the pump failed from being under vacuum all the time I would guess but should be fine for a drag car. Wonder if it would kill the turbo due to sucking it dry of oil all the time.

high mount would definately be cheaper and easier. plenty of room in the v6 engine bay too.

I have two stock RB20DET intercoolers under the bench I got for nix so they will be roped into the project build.

HoonBoy
27-12-10, 11:35 AM
Maybe I should change to the wagon. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/bolt-turbo-kit-ecotec-commodore-garret-t4-holden-/320635217184?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4aa7592520 would leave $300 for fueling with this "kit" but more importantly I can reverse the exhaust manifolds and use the afm pre turbo to help with fuel with a cheaper more DIY setup.

Jim
28-12-10, 07:20 PM
So was there any mechanical differences between the later ecotecs other than ECU and shit? Were the heads, cam and manifolds different or was all the power gains all from the ECU?

Ben.
28-12-10, 07:53 PM
power steering pumps do work for oil returns, although the one i saw was a second pump mounted down lower, but i dont htink it was completely below the level of the turbo.

ECU, as i mentioned in the turbo EA thread, pretty sure with this things to, its a $20 socket and a $10 eeprom chip to remap it (providing your not including the cost of the eprom burner)

supercharger's mentioned above arent that bad. they are 1.42L vs an M90 which is only 1.5L. obviously there is more to a supercharger than volume but quite a few people do run them at ~10psi, as much as they supposedly dont like it lol

also turbo, look to US ebay, new T3/T4's are cheap
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/T3-T4-T04E-Hybrid-Stage-3-A-R-63-Turbo-Turbocharger-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem5add2058f4QQitemZ39025 6941300QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries

HoonBoy
28-12-10, 08:10 PM
Nothing the same between the ecotech and older motor, different block, heads, inlet etc. etc.

MRMOPARMAN
28-12-10, 08:26 PM
also turbo, look to US ebay, new T3/T4's are cheap
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/T3-T4-T04E-Hybrid-Stage-3-A-R-63-Turbo-Turbocharger-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem5add2058f4QQitemZ39025 6941300QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries

shipping costs more than the turbo lol

Ben.
28-12-10, 10:57 PM
yeah i may have slightly overlooked some aspects of it...

Jim
30-12-10, 09:37 AM
So, is it only the drivers window that needs to be able to operate?

ALLMTR
30-12-10, 09:44 AM
For everyones "Can I get away with . . " question, the answer is yes. Then, when you run quicker than someone, they can carry on about how all their windows operate

Jim
30-12-10, 09:45 AM
Don't care about whingers I just want to make sure I'll be allowed to race it.

2JZR31
30-12-10, 10:12 AM
Don't care about whingers I just want to make sure I'll be allowed to race it.

As in, by track officials or lynchmob?

Jim
30-12-10, 10:18 AM
track officials. I know shit all about drag racing at EC these days. I know the driver's window must work but don't know if the other 3 need to.

ALLMTR
30-12-10, 10:43 AM
Drivers only.

Jim
30-12-10, 12:14 PM
sweet.

now to find free perspex lol

ALLMTR
30-12-10, 12:47 PM
Use cardboard and paint black

Jim
30-12-10, 01:42 PM
i'll get right on that....

So I need early borg warner crownwheel bolts. VN uses reverse thread bolts that are much larger than the pintara 4.11 crownwheel uses. This is now holding up the diff rebuild.

next thingts to do are:
strip the other 2 doors,
cut the tow bar bolts and get rid of the tow bar,
gut the boot
gut the bonnet
fit the headlight controls and shit back in
fit tacho
fit NAWZZZZ
find a cheap stall converter.

HoonBoy
30-12-10, 04:23 PM
I know of at least one "street" car running with no operational windows, just perspex bolted in place.

Jim
31-12-10, 12:58 PM
So I need to decide if I should put some words down the lower side of the doors.
a. "NANG NANG NANG NANG" or
b. "Walk.com.au"

morerevsm3
31-12-10, 01:07 PM
c. MMMOOOOOOO

MRMOPARMAN
31-12-10, 01:52 PM
D. paint car with blackbaord paint.. then

all of the above.

wait dont do that, thats my idea :)

Asteroid
31-12-10, 02:41 PM
Cow patches.

tut
31-12-10, 02:54 PM
paint is weight and an aerodynamical disadvantage

MRMOPARMAN
31-12-10, 03:08 PM
gotta do 13's in style though

Jim
31-12-10, 03:29 PM
gotta do 13's in style though

I think it's too late for that lol

Euroboost
31-12-10, 07:24 PM
If it don't go, chrome it.
Paint it rattlecan chrome.

Grumpy Rooster
01-01-11, 10:13 AM
I know of at least one "street" car running with no operational windows, just perspex bolted in place.

I will confirm this. No operational windows on that car at all. Opening the door works well.

Just make sure headlights and brake lights work.

SkidFace
01-01-11, 11:50 AM
E. Mang moo

Jim
04-01-11, 10:30 AM
getting lighter

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/Red%20VN/IMG_0631.jpg

Driver's door is still original for safety.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/Red%20VN/IMG_0632.jpg

Ginormous towbar and bumper bracket assembly removed. Bumper skin has been refitted with some thread bar.

Jim
04-01-11, 10:32 AM
PS: Nitrous is a great substitute for good engineering. :p

Tripper
04-01-11, 10:44 AM
you should be able to sell the towbar or perhaps swap it for something else

Jim
04-01-11, 10:49 AM
Good batting, Thinkman!
Already listed it in the fs section :D

HoonBoy
04-01-11, 10:57 AM
Damn you and your progress!!! Are the windows still glass?

Captain_Slow
04-01-11, 11:04 AM
Those VNs weren't that solid a car were they? Looking at your stripped-out interior pic there's not a great deal of metal in there. I always thought Dad's VP felt pretty flexy in the body and now it's obvious why.

Jim
04-01-11, 11:26 AM
Yep windows will remain glass until free Perspex falls from the sky.
Marco, yeah they're a pretty flexy shell.

Jim
04-01-11, 11:36 AM
Woot spammer got banned

Andrew Bolt
04-01-11, 11:49 AM
Sorry for the interruption. Carry on.:)

Jim
04-01-11, 06:31 PM
Thanks GT you save the day again! :D

So...
Took all the crap from the car to the tip today. Excluding the front seats, tow bar and bits and pieces, I dumped 160kg of VN shit today. Seats are prob another 30kg alone and I'm yet to gut the boot and bonnet. Hoping for a total of 200kg to be shed from this thing.

Sketchy
04-01-11, 09:52 PM
Impressive. What does that bring the weight down too, 1200kg or so?

Jim
04-01-11, 10:18 PM
Think they're 1310kg stock? Should be close to 1100kg I guess.
I'll weighbridge it when it's done.

HoonBoy
04-01-11, 10:24 PM
1335kg according to redbook so 1100ish should be do-able

Jim
04-01-11, 10:35 PM
Peter said 1310 and he knows about VN's more than anyone!! I trust his VN knowledge far more than redbook.

:lol:

HoonBoy
04-01-11, 10:38 PM
Has he been around to work on the air flow meter yet?

Jim
05-01-11, 06:56 AM
No, the BBQ is dangerously close to the work area. :lol:

TK
05-01-11, 08:21 AM
This needs my old T3's.

$400 & they're yours, along with dump pipe stubs, oil ines & coolant fittings.
Will need a pair of cheap ass wastegates tho.

Ghetto them on with J-pipes from the stock ex manifolds, drill the intake for a coolant return & use the heater supply from the water pump as the coolant feed.
Oil lines may be a bit long, but better than too short & they are braided teflon speedflow with T-piece etc to screw into the oil pressure sensor hole, I've even got oil drain stubs & some braided line that can go with them.

BigMuz
05-01-11, 08:54 AM
Think they're 1310kg stock? Should be close to 1100kg I guess.
I'll weighbridge it when it's done.

I'm pretty sure weighbridge is a noun. I think you meant to use the word 'weigh' which is also shorter than 'weighbridge'.

regards,

Subeditor HTH.

HoonBoy
05-01-11, 11:45 AM
This needs my old T3's.

$400 & they're yours, along with dump pipe stubs, oil ines & coolant fittings.
Will need a pair of cheap ass wastegates tho.

Ghetto them on with J-pipes from the stock ex manifolds, drill the intake for a coolant return & use the heater supply from the water pump as the coolant feed.
Oil lines may be a bit long, but better than too short & they are braided teflon speedflow with T-piece etc to screw into the oil pressure sensor hole, I've even got oil drain stubs & some braided line that can go with them.

That's two cars worth of turbo for this challenge!

Jim
05-01-11, 11:47 AM
TK, thanks for the offer but yeah it'd kill the budget :p
I'll keep it in mind for future projects though!

Jim
05-01-11, 11:48 AM
I'm pretty sure weighbridge is a noun. I think you meant to use the word 'weigh' which is also shorter than 'weighbridge'.

regards,

Subeditor HTH.

Keep this up and you're geography, buddy!

*angry fist*

TK
05-01-11, 12:07 PM
Yeah, I know they'd kill the budget - but fuck they'd be perfect on a V6.

vet 180
05-01-11, 12:24 PM
i was even thinking 2 cheap ca18 turbos, .48 rear housings quite small and cheap. perfect for twins on a moo

2JZR31
05-01-11, 01:05 PM
I think the cheapest turbos will win in this case.

TK
05-01-11, 01:18 PM
Are loaner parts eligable?

I'll loan Jim the turbos n shit for as long as he needs them for the cost of freight if that's ok by the rules?

takai
05-01-11, 01:23 PM
How would those T3s go on a 4L V8?

TK
05-01-11, 01:41 PM
Nice, real nice - maybe a little slow on spool compared to BB turbos with modern wheels etc.

Fine for drag racing where spool time is not as much an issue, not so great if you need real good response.

ALLMTR
05-01-11, 02:22 PM
Sell them for 50 bucks on the proviso that he sells them back for the same amount in three months time

TK
05-01-11, 02:39 PM
^ also a viable option provided the mob doesn't go into beat down mode over it.

HoonBoy
05-01-11, 02:42 PM
I'm sort of against it, techincally I could borrow an 11sec drag car and be way under the budget and ahead in the times. I'm also thinking way too much about cheap ways of getting extra fuel in to the engine under boost...

ALLMTR
05-01-11, 02:43 PM
No one is going to complain about anything in fear of being labelled pedantic sooky cunts playing for sheep stations who need to shut the fuck up :)

Jim
05-01-11, 02:45 PM
I think we can achieve this with what we have, especially as it looks like I've scored a cheap stall converter from ebay.

Thanks heaps for the offer TK, and if the first few passes = fail then it'll be on the cards :D

TK
05-01-11, 03:10 PM
You may well be right - 1200kg & 200hp is theoreticaly capable of running easy 13's.

chartreusehj
05-01-11, 03:23 PM
split the turbos and find two buyers?

If you cant make one of them run 13's on almost anything in this game theres something wrong, doesnt sound like efficiency or longevity is important in this instance.

Jim
05-01-11, 03:26 PM
problem is as soon as you're talking turbos you're also talking fuel systems, ECU changes and all the associated shit to go with it. not only does it take more time than I really want to devote to this thing, but it'd come close to blowing the budget especially once you factor in a tune.

Still have to find some drag slicks but I think Uncle said he had a line on a pair.

HoonBoy
05-01-11, 03:37 PM
I wonder if Bermo still has those 26x8's hanging around he offered to lend me a while back...

chartreusehj
05-01-11, 04:01 PM
problem is as soon as you're talking turbos you're also talking fuel systems, ECU changes and all the associated shit to go with it. not only does it take more time than I really want to devote to this thing, but it'd come close to blowing the budget especially once you factor in a tune.

Still have to find some drag slicks but I think Uncle said he had a line on a pair.

how do you reckon a nos injector behind the throttle body would go supplying fuel under boost?

washer bottle tank full of meth and a s/h efi pump, jaycar dc speed controller for the pump and just dial the fuel in for wot?

you probably should ignore most of that and stick to being sensible lol.

[TUFFVQ]
05-01-11, 04:11 PM
Turbo on the way.

Jim
05-01-11, 04:19 PM
;840962174']Turbo on the way.

well there goes my stealth cheatin' bastard install :D

TK
05-01-11, 04:52 PM
Lol

ALLMTR
05-01-11, 06:54 PM
So. . . Turbo, huh?

Jim
05-01-11, 06:56 PM
probably not, but the option is open.

Tripper
05-01-11, 06:59 PM
you know you want a manual Jim
the ads a bit old thou
http://www.allclassifieds.com.au/ac/ac0032?vcid=122964597

Jim
05-01-11, 07:09 PM
fuck. like I need another car! I need to break a few of these commodores

Tils
05-01-11, 07:34 PM
I love this game! Dodged up racers! Bogan paradise!!!

HoonBoy
05-01-11, 08:26 PM
Did you sort out the diff bolts?

Jim
05-01-11, 08:30 PM
jmac gave me some good advice and thinks he may have a set so looks like it'll work out.
damn he's a champ!

Jim
05-01-11, 08:30 PM
jmac gave me some good advice and thinks he may have a set so looks like it'll work out.
damn he's a champ!

ALLMTR
05-01-11, 08:33 PM
Hmmm seems everyone has backroom deals going on . . .

to4garret
05-01-11, 08:44 PM
Everytime I see this thread title, all I read is "The Red Steak".


Fuck I am hungry!

Jim
06-01-11, 11:42 AM
fuck, now I'm hungry :(

Ok, more lightedeness (- inserted to annoy BigMuz)

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/Red%20VN/IMG_0639.jpg

Chop-chop

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/Red%20VN/IMG_0642.jpg

GTFO

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/Red%20VN/IMG_0640.jpg

back in place and a LOT lighter. Complete with ankle straps.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/Red%20VN/IMG_0641.jpg

There's so much weight gone out of this now that the stock springs are too high.

Jay_G
06-01-11, 12:07 PM
There's so much weight gone out of this now that the stock springs are too high.

chop a coil off, for even more lightedness and respect....

HoonBoy
06-01-11, 01:23 PM
I don't want to think what mine will look like with it's raised heavy duty springs.

Jim
07-01-11, 10:30 AM
More shit gone that we don't need. Also gutted under the bonnet. Just the bumper frame and brackets must have been a lot.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/Red%20VN/IMG_0648.jpg

Ready for NAWWWZZZ

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/Red%20VN/IMG_0646.jpg

If the NOS won't do the job, then this will be employed.
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/Red%20VN/IMG_0643.jpg
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/Red%20VN/IMG_0645.jpg

Captain_Slow
07-01-11, 10:50 AM
If nothing else, this car will be loud as hell...

evil_weevil
07-01-11, 11:21 AM
loving the 4WD spec suspension now!

HoonBoy
07-01-11, 12:12 PM
Is that turbo new? What size?

Jim
07-01-11, 12:58 PM
Yeah new Chinese t3/t4 thingy. At worst it makes a nice shelf ornament.

Shifty
07-01-11, 01:03 PM
This is REALLY funny.

Forget the turbo though :)

The more I look at these motors the better they are... and I really hate that.

HoonBoy
07-01-11, 01:27 PM
I can't get over how cheap chinese turbo stuff is. $400 for TK's T3 and 2 x$99 for wastegates would make a killer setup.

Potsy
07-01-11, 03:18 PM
Alright, i am willing to offer a 17Ah 12V battery to Jim so he can continue to save weight.
Looks like he has the edge on all you useless cunts sofar.
Jamie ? WTF have you been doing, apart from polishing a matte black duco, that wont polish.

Jim
07-01-11, 03:41 PM
So far to go fast all I have had to do is destroy a commodore. I think I'll enjoy this drag racing thing. :lol:

Tils
07-01-11, 05:43 PM
So far to go fast all I have had to do is destroy a commodore. I think I'll enjoy this drag racing thing. :lol:

I like your attitude!!

ALLMTR
07-01-11, 07:37 PM
What do those chinese turbos sell for?

Tils
07-01-11, 08:11 PM
about $300

lysdexia
07-01-11, 08:29 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/T3-T4-T04E-63-A-R-Turbo-Turbocharger-all-4-6-cyl-/350418652947?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5196944f13

HoonBoy
07-01-11, 10:05 PM
I bought an engine, doesnt that count?? :D

Not all of us have been on holidays...

Lobster
08-01-11, 07:28 AM
Careful when you use the blocksplitter.

Tils
08-01-11, 08:28 AM
Petition to rename thread "The Red Steak".... hungry.... mmmmm

Jim
08-01-11, 11:14 AM
Ok, so it now has a super lightweight exhaust.

$30 for the hot dog from the muffler shop, $10 for the gal downpipe from bunnings and the flange from the old cat, with the air box hose clamp holding it on. Whole lot weighs about 2kg :D
Will trim the end off next time I'm under the back of the car

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/Red%20VN/IMG_0649.jpg

VZ3C-UFrHWg

Dogsballs
08-01-11, 11:54 AM
now thats weight savings!!

i'd leave the rear suspension, may help with weight transfer. the glass taken out this will make a friggin huge difference, the front and rear windows especially.

Jim
08-01-11, 01:04 PM
To keep with the dodgey theme I welded on a diff bearing shell onto the hotdog so I could clamp the bunnings pipe onto it. Dodge ftw.

Asteroid
08-01-11, 01:35 PM
Loving the galv pipe exhaust.

TonyJZX
08-01-11, 02:39 PM
whats that awful metal on metal grinding sound?

Jim
08-01-11, 03:16 PM
Buick V6. Why do you ask?

MRMOPARMAN
08-01-11, 06:04 PM
Pmsl :lol:

ALLMTR
08-01-11, 07:48 PM
Don't you have a job?

Jim
08-01-11, 07:59 PM
Not until Monday. :)

HoonBoy
08-01-11, 09:48 PM
Now that's a dodgy exhaust! I may take some idea's from it..

Dogsballs
08-01-11, 09:56 PM
why not pipes straight out the guards off the logs???

Grumpy Rooster
08-01-11, 10:32 PM
To run at a street meet it needs to have a muffled exhaust and exit toward the back of the car. Interpret that how you will.

2JZR31
09-01-11, 02:52 PM
New sig

Jim
09-01-11, 03:32 PM
:lol:

Greg Rust
10-01-11, 02:48 PM
Some funny shit continues to come from Garage Jimamoto!!

InsaneAsylum
10-01-11, 03:57 PM
needs more
http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/3235/481/8085240015_large.jpg

Jim
10-01-11, 06:12 PM
Like this?


http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/Red%20VN/IMG_0647.jpg

Way ahead of you :lol:

CussCuss
10-01-11, 06:23 PM
if you have any money left, buy some chrome spray paint in a can for extra fully sik chaserness.

TonyJZX
10-01-11, 06:37 PM
lol chrome rattle can

make sure you overspray the tyres for the fully sick casula look

Jim
10-01-11, 07:12 PM
I think I have some hub covers somewhere. They add a whole new level of class to VN's! :lol:

morerevsm3
10-01-11, 07:30 PM
needs noble park macas single spinners club sticker

Dogsballs
10-01-11, 08:51 PM
needs noble park macas single spinners club sticker
bahahaaaa!!

Jim
15-01-11, 11:43 AM
Ok, back at work this week so progress is slow.

Here's how the back windows are held up with no guts in the door. The window channel is bent up and then cut off :D

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/Red%20VN/IMG_0655.jpg

No dash means the headlight switch needs to go somewhere, so it's now bolted to where the mirror used to be.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/Red%20VN/IMG_0660.jpg

2 cans of cheap oven cleaner and the engine bay cleaned up really well.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/Red%20VN/IMG_0659.jpg

Can't abide dirty race cars. Interior got a clean too.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/Red%20VN/IMG_0658.jpg

Don't worry ECU was removed for safety haha


This is how much higher the stock suspension sits with all the crap gutted out of it.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/Red%20VN/IMG_0661.jpg

Front sway bar has also been removed for weight saving.

left to do is to wire in the nitrous stuff, mount the bottle, get the stall converter delivered and then installed, and finish building the diff. It goes to Uncle's place for the next part of the build.

HoonBoy
15-01-11, 12:05 PM
The engine bay turned out real good, must increase the value a bit.

Now measure the bloody windows!

Jim
15-01-11, 12:15 PM
fucken pushy... lol

Dogsballs
15-01-11, 12:24 PM
wait until all that glass is out.

Jim
15-01-11, 12:28 PM
Yeah, if we have time, energy or interest the floor tar will come out too. That's a very big "if" though.

So.. in consideration of the conversation a few posts above, I have designed a team logo:

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/mcdonalds.jpg

ALLMTR
15-01-11, 12:56 PM
Wrong wheel spinning

morerevsm3
15-01-11, 01:29 PM
as Allmtr said, make it the other wheel, and add a bell street reference for maximum lols

Jim
15-01-11, 03:25 PM
i don't know what a noble park or bell street is.
The wheels always spin on the passenger side for me, but then I am morbidly obese...

Jim
15-01-11, 03:37 PM
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/mcdonalds.jpg

hows that

morerevsm3
15-01-11, 03:38 PM
_34u1lTpU0E

in youtube search, type in bell st maccas or noble park maccas and there are heaps of vids just like this

Jim
15-01-11, 03:40 PM
yeah but it could be any maccas. King St up here, Thornleigh in Sydney, Warriewood, Lakemba etc etc

considering it's going to be run at eastern creek, I doubt the joke will carry that well if it's specific to noble park.

Swill
15-01-11, 03:56 PM
Are you still looking for a holley pump for this weapon? I found a holley blue in the shed. No idea on its condition or where it came from. But ill throw it in a post pack if you want it.

Jim
15-01-11, 04:02 PM
Yeah mate that'd be awesome. I'll send you a PM.

Jim
16-01-11, 04:28 PM
Did a little bit more this weekend. It was either that or mow the lawn, and it was too hot to mow the lawn. :)

Filthy bodgey cold air intake. There's no cabin air from the plenum any more as I have blocked it all off, so there's no reason I can't take intake air from the nice cool high pressure zone.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/Red%20VN/IMG_0665.jpg

It's getting the loan of my race seat and the steering wheel from the white VN. The steering wheel was a freebie for helping a friend move house who had no need of it.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/Red%20VN/IMG_0666.jpg

But there was nowhere to fit the NOS button. So I swapped the wheel out for a SAAS wheel I had in the shed. This one came with a cracked boss from some sort of Mazda. It was in a box of random shit that was puit out for council cleanup. I think my quote at the time was "motherfucking SCORE!!"

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/Red%20VN/IMG_0667.jpg

Sat the nitrous kit in the engine bay to work out hosing. I need to find out what the thread is for the mixer. Anyone know? I need a tap to fit it to the inlet.

I'm planning on using the A/C wiring circuit because it's all there already and all I need to do is hook up two switches.

Uncle was supposed to be in on this today but I guess he was Datsuning. Just no sense of priorities that man... :p

So... Left to do:

Fuel system
Diff
Torque converter

It's nearly racing time.

HoonBoy
16-01-11, 04:37 PM
1/16 NPT

That steering wheel looks the same as the one I have on the wagon. Had it sitting around for more than a decade between cars..

Jim
16-01-11, 04:45 PM
Awesome thanks!
Yeah it's been hanging on the wall for 3 years lol
Think it's the same type as I had on the rally car back in the early 90's too.

HoonBoy
16-01-11, 04:48 PM
ANDRA Nitrous regs, make sure you follow the obvious bits to keep them happy and let you race.

Potsy
16-01-11, 04:53 PM
What happened to the intrument cluster ? Too heavy ????

Jim
16-01-11, 04:57 PM
Yeah way too heavy. What do I want that shit for anyway :lol:

So I need to run the nos line outside the cabin and it has to use a throttle micro switch instead of my steering wheel switch?

OKE020
16-01-11, 06:27 PM
From memory you will need a system arm switch, a blue light when armed and a throttle switch. Most button systems on the steering wheel i have used still have a throttle switch for safety

Jim
16-01-11, 06:56 PM
fair enough. After reading the regs I had decided I'd do that.
any way of avoiding having to run the line through hardened steel balistics proof tubing past the converter?

Asteroid
16-01-11, 07:12 PM
That ancient steering wheel is much more in keeping with the overall theme of the car. Floor mounting the monster tacho is very kitsch. I expect to see it on VNs everywhere come summernats '12.

Jim
16-01-11, 07:31 PM
I'm putting P plates on it too.
floor mount tacho FTW gives me somewhere to balance my big mac whilst doing single peggers in the carpark.

Jay_G
16-01-11, 07:42 PM
fair enough. After reading the regs I had decided I'd do that.
any way of avoiding having to run the line through hardened steel balistics proof tubing past the converter?

Mount the bottle on the roof with a truck nose cone deflector or on the front bar

briney
16-01-11, 07:49 PM
it might not hurt to find the charge light wires and wire it back up. the last vn i saw without a dash flattened the battery pretty quick.

Jim
16-01-11, 07:50 PM
yeah, I did wonder if it would still charge. Was wondering if it would throw the computer into limp home mode too but so far seems ok.

VE Safari
16-01-11, 08:19 PM
What's a VN instrument cluster weigh? 500-700g? Surely it's worth chucking back in?

10sec rx7
16-01-11, 08:23 PM
fair enough. After reading the regs I had decided I'd do that.
any way of avoiding having to run the line through hardened steel balistics proof tubing past the converter?

your not getting tech inspected so who gives a shit, put the bottle in the back and run that shit under the car

Jim
17-01-11, 07:10 AM
Awesome I'll just do that.
Nah cbf'd trying to work out how to mount the instruments sans dash. I'll just put a bulb in as a diode exciter.

Tils
17-01-11, 07:19 AM
http://www.godine.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/steak.jpg yum

Jim
17-01-11, 07:03 PM
+1


except now I have a problem. Uni starts soon and it will be on wednesday nights - the only nights they run eastern creek. :(

morerevsm3
17-01-11, 07:51 PM
http://www.godine.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/steak.jpg yum

LOL at the MOO car being portrayed as a steak, or was this an udderly unintentional mis steak?

Jim
17-01-11, 08:21 PM
I suspect he's sledging my ride by insinuating it'll be butchered at the drag strip

HoonBoy
17-01-11, 08:23 PM
except now I have a problem. Uni starts soon and it will be on wednesday nights - the only nights they run eastern creek. :(

Obviously the government and sydney dragway management want you to street race, otherwise why would they only ever run street drags on the same night of the week in one location.

ALLMTR
17-01-11, 08:43 PM
+1


except now I have a problem. Uni starts soon and it will be on wednesday nights - the only nights they run eastern creek. :(

I have three letters for you. . . Hez

Jim
18-01-11, 07:28 PM
Hez? Is that like a Nelson "Ha! Ha!"?

VR indicator from a front guard now operates the alternator, and tacho and shift light are hooked up and working.

Stall converter should be here tomorrow.

Left to do:

Diff
Fit stall
Fit NOS bottle.

Fuck yeah. Hilarity TBA

HoonBoy
18-01-11, 08:18 PM
Going to do anything else to the gearbox whilst it's out? How's the budget going?

Jim
18-01-11, 08:23 PM
updated the first post with the budget. Yes, I'm a little under :D currently at about $700 in total cost.

We'll give the box a filter and fresh oil but not much else that can be done with them. if a corvette servo turns up cheap I'll grab it.

HoonBoy
18-01-11, 08:35 PM
Not bad on budget, I'm about $200 more than you with extractors, fluids and fuel pump included. Got a $195 convertor on the way as well :D

Corvette servo here http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350325850724&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT for $34.95. Apparently one of these is good as well http://cgi.ebay.com.au/TransGo-Boost-Valve-Kit-4L60E-Auto-Transmission-0-500-/350311881017?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5190371939 but I am wary of spending on random gear box bits without replacing all the weak bits. Seems like a waste of money if it's going to die on the first run.

Jim
18-01-11, 08:38 PM
yeah, I'm hoping just the servo will be enough to hold it together. Don't want to waste money on shift kits if I don't have to.
Anyway, you seen how many springs and ball bearings in the fucking things??!?

HoonBoy
18-01-11, 08:39 PM
I've never pulled apart an auto gearbox, sounds like I don't want to start with this one.

Jim
18-01-11, 08:40 PM
the TCI kit was easy, you throw everything away and bolt in the new valve body holus bolus.

HoonBoy
18-01-11, 08:43 PM
I wish that would fit in the budget!

HoonBoy
18-01-11, 09:28 PM
Cheaper servo http://cgi.ebay.com.au/CORVETTE-SERVO-TH700-4L60-4L60E-VN-VP-VR-VS-VT-VX-VY-VZ-/370452833415?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5640b5a487

Even cheaper again http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GM-700R4-4L60E-Corvette-Style-Servo-A74905BK-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem564218264dQQitemZ37047 6066381QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries

aaron_hogan
18-01-11, 09:41 PM
I've never pulled apart an auto gearbox, sounds like I don't want to start with this one.

Start with valve bodies, a workshop manual and a basic shift kit/instructions. They were all black voodoo magic until I dared delve into them. Not hard once you get your head around main components.

HoonBoy
18-01-11, 09:47 PM
I could sneak this and a corvette servo in the budget http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TRANSGO-4L60E-HD2-TRANSMISSION-SHIFT-KIT-LT1-LS1-STG-2-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27a6ce855eQQitemZ17030 2276958QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries

[TUFFVQ]
19-01-11, 09:49 AM
Boost valve is easy to install, doesn't require removal of the valve body or anything, its held in by a circlip in the pump housing on the front passenger side of the trans (when viewed from underneath).

Jim
19-01-11, 11:41 AM
It's a prick to fit in the car though and risky because of the circlip. Best to pull the gearbox to fit it.

Edit: whoops was thinking of the servo which is accessed externally.

HoonBoy
19-01-11, 11:53 AM
Gearbox has to come out for the convertor change so I'll do anything out of the car anyway.

[TUFFVQ]
19-01-11, 01:15 PM
Have done the servo with the box installed, just took my time and got it sorted, fiddly yes, but certainly less work than pulling the box! just unbolt the rear mount and you can move it around enough to get it all out, will prob do this with my VN soon as i have a spare vette servo out of my VQ, the auto could use some love :)

Just put a billet servo in the VQ (2nd and 4th), so much chunkier and masses more apply area on the 2nd gear, even compared to the vette servo.

Jim
19-01-11, 08:18 PM
I did it in my other VN and it was a total cunt. Couldn't drop the box enough to get the piston out cleanly.

Jim
20-01-11, 09:13 PM
Are you still looking for a holley pump for this weapon? I found a holley blue in the shed. No idea on its condition or where it came from. But ill throw it in a post pack if you want it.

It arrived today thanks heaps!
I fucking cracked up when I saw it was addressed to "Buster Gonads".
My reputation for unfeasibly large testicles must precede me :lol:

Peter...
21-01-11, 06:04 PM
So, started it on the limiter yet?

Jim
21-01-11, 09:09 PM
Of course not. Unlike you, I have mechanical sympathy! :p

This got a test drive on our private road and all seems to operate to spec. Converter turned up so that's monday night's job.

ALLMTR
21-01-11, 09:59 PM
13.8

ALLMTR
21-01-11, 10:53 PM
Of course not. Unlike you, I have mechanical sympathy! :p

This got a test drive on our private road and all seems to operate to spec. Converter turned up so that's monday night's job.

Might pop over

Jim
22-01-11, 07:02 AM
Sure, car is at Uncle's now. We're doing the box there.

Jim
22-01-11, 07:02 AM
Sure, car is at Uncle's now. We're doing the box there.

ALLMTR
25-01-11, 09:35 PM
Box done?

Jim
25-01-11, 09:36 PM
No, he had a sore leg or something and bottled out
:lol:

Jim
28-01-11, 10:06 PM
Ok me and Uncle got a bit done tonight. box is out, corvette servo fitted and new converter test fitted. Will fit the filter and maybe refit the box on Sunday.

Have a plan for rear shocks and springs which will probably be done when the diff is ready. Getting farken close!

HoonBoy
30-01-11, 05:50 PM
Did you get the box back in?

Jim
30-01-11, 07:09 PM
No, supercheap didn't have the filter kit in stock.

Jim
04-02-11, 09:51 PM
Picked up the filter kit, installed it while Uncle made more chili death jerky, we installed the gearbox after much swearing and Uncle's tool kit strangely changing size randomly when passed back and forth. He changed the engine oil and then started it on the stands. All good. We then ate death chilli jerky and poked the datsun with a stick. Fun times.

Jay_G
04-02-11, 10:24 PM
powerskidzzzzzz yet?

e30guy
04-02-11, 10:35 PM
did the datto skid those wheels yet? they look better going sideways

Jim
05-02-11, 05:56 AM
No pwerskidz yet. We both looked at the cars and trailer in the way in the driveway and cbf'd doing anything about it.

[TUFFVQ]
05-02-11, 04:05 PM
mght of missed it but what size is the convertor?

Jim
05-02-11, 05:59 PM
Asked for a 3500 but apparently got a 2800.
Don't care lol we'll run what we got

[TUFFVQ]
06-02-11, 10:22 AM
Was this an eBay jobbie? Might flare out a bit with the gas anyway :)

Mike Lowrrryyy
08-02-11, 10:45 AM
Yeah eBay tuff. We might see some flairing with the gas around 3100 I think.
I thought I would do the update for today. Last night I ran the gas line under the car while Jim cut us a new boot floor. Then Because we are awesome and very lazy we used liquid nails to glue down said boot floor.
Bootfloor total cost 18 bucks.

Greg Rust
08-02-11, 11:15 AM
Sweet work boys, any pics of stick poking into Datsun?

Mike Lowrrryyy
08-02-11, 11:32 AM
I could of gotten pics of us swearing at the Datsun after it
made a simple rear shock and spring swap a fucking ordeal but that's another stoy.
P.S your thing is looking good mate.

HoonBoy
08-02-11, 12:14 PM
So who is collecting the walbro from my place?

Jim
08-02-11, 12:18 PM
You around weekend after next?

HoonBoy
08-02-11, 12:22 PM
I'll be at Hampton with the wagon.

Mike Lowrrryyy
08-02-11, 12:22 PM
Hmm dunno I am waiting on dale to get back to me about doing the tune on the Datsun so if can do that I'll come and get it myself.
Otherwise I think Jim should drive down and get it.:lol:

Jim
08-02-11, 05:19 PM
Ok it seems a lot of people feel threatened by this project and it's exceptional build quality from the thousands of hours spent by white gloved technicians specially succonded from NASA. While we admit it will have a slight nitrous tickle (5hp +\- 195hp) and was not registered, we feel it still qualifies as a street car.

To prove this point we pushed it down to the blue slip station who agreed that the workmanship is exceptional and more than roadworthy. In fact they asked if a photo of it can be used in an RTA brochure on good road behavior. I will fit the plates as soon as the titanium dress screws arrive.

To remove any doubt of it's street worthiness, Rodger Cordia has kindly offered to drive it from Hunter St to WSID.

I hope this settles the matter once and for all. :)

Signed: The Management.



* may be a lie

Greg Rust
08-02-11, 05:21 PM
Teh VN can neva moo.

Jim
08-02-11, 06:46 PM
So, here we have some of the imported glue used on space shuttle tiles to secure and seal the lightened substrate.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/VN%20Commodore/IMG_0697.jpg

And the completed composite superstructure. Galvanize, yo!

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/VN%20Commodore/IMG_0698.jpg

And here is Uncle carefully measuring the harmonic mass from the gearbox by using a NACA rated bottle of white wine as counterweight. We determined that the harmonic mass weighed in at 1.02kg.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/VN%20Commodore/IMG_0678.jpg

Nick
09-02-11, 06:29 AM
learn from NASA though and use only the Metric system. Might be hard on a VN but it can be done.

Jim
09-02-11, 07:08 AM
Oh yes all measurements are in meters rather than inches. None of this mucking around with decimal places either.

Jim
09-02-11, 07:09 AM
Oh yes all measurements are in meters rather than inches. None of this mucking around with decimal places either.

Greg Rust
09-02-11, 12:10 PM
Chardonnay on a Sunday!! finished all the beer hey?

Mike Lowrrryyy
09-02-11, 12:23 PM
Nah wifes Beverage of choice, stubble was to light.

Jim
11-02-11, 06:27 PM
Righto, we gave it a test run on our private road and all seems good except it seems to have trouble selecting 3rd gear. It got 3rd before so fuck knows what's going on.

Other than that it's just the diff to go now.

HoonBoy
11-02-11, 07:11 PM
and the fuel pump and the nitrous setup and the plastic windows and some weight removal.

My 4.1:1's arrived today complete with bolts, shims, spacers etc. :)

Mike Lowrrryyy
11-02-11, 07:19 PM
Minor details!
NOS is all but in.

HoonBoy
11-02-11, 07:33 PM
I need to bring the VR up there for a weekend so some actual progess is made!

Tripper
11-02-11, 07:45 PM
skid pics ?

Jim
11-02-11, 09:23 PM
Torque converter stalls at 2000 which is a bit dissapointing.
No incriminating pics so you'll have to take my word for it that it does epic handbrake turns :D

ALLMTR
12-02-11, 08:45 PM
Gtech'd this yet?

Jim
27-02-11, 07:52 PM
Nope. But more progress has been made.


Scrounged some old springs out from under a bench at Uncle's so the back sits a bit better now.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/Red%20VN/IMG_0713.jpg

Also decided that all the cool race/drag cars have some fancy thing for blocking up the inlet in the pits to stop people like MartyXF from jamming their chip buckets in there.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/Red%20VN/IMG_0715.jpg
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/Red%20VN/IMG_0712.jpg

Crash Dummy dropped by to have is shoes photographed, so Uncle accompanied them with some matching NOS gear.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/Red%20VN/IMG_0714.jpg

He wanted to fit all of the NOS jets that were available. I can't see why this is a bad idea, at all.

Seat is readjusted, bottle is in and I'll start building the diff as soon as the land rover is sorted out.

Potsy
27-02-11, 08:08 PM
Crash dummy is pidgeon toed ?

HoonBoy
27-02-11, 08:56 PM
That's a lot of nozzles, I'm only using one with some big jets in it.

Jim
27-02-11, 09:01 PM
Oh, forgot, fitted the walboro fuel pump too.

Jim
13-03-11, 03:05 PM
Ok diff is built. Now has 4.11's and mini spool. After a lot of research and visits to Promac worked out what was needed. Haven't heard about the bolts and spacers for a while and didn't want to be a prick and keep hassling. Made bolt spacers from 50% cut strips of computer case and 50% indifference.

Uncle, busy on Friday night or want to fit up the diff?

[TUFFVQ]
13-03-11, 09:05 PM
skids?
hopefully you won't trap over 100mph as you'll be on limiter in 3rd :)

Mike Lowrrryyy
14-03-11, 08:46 PM
Yep Friday night we are good to go.

blownhemi
14-03-11, 08:49 PM
Where at, WSID? Hope one of you have an ANDRA licence. I believe Full Throttle Fridays are for licence holders.

But good luck, and take lots of pictures and some video.

Jim
14-03-11, 09:09 PM
Nah diff goes in this Friday. I then have 2 weeks of work commitment so it will be run at WSID wed the 6th April if all goes well.

Potsy
14-03-11, 09:12 PM
will be run at WSID wed the 6th April if all goes well.

I will be up for the viewing of this shenanigan.

ALLMTR
14-03-11, 09:13 PM
Yeah I have some free time too

ALLMTR
14-03-11, 09:14 PM
Yeah I have some free time too

blownhemi
14-03-11, 09:16 PM
Yeah I have some free time too

No you don't, you've got a truck to build. :)

Good luck with the red streak. I'll be in Sydney myself, I might come out and take a look.