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Spac
28-12-10, 09:35 PM
1975 244GL, bought on Ebay for $200 earlier in the year - fucked motor (was supposed to be a blown head gasket, more like broken rings and/or ring lands). Came with a supposedly good B21 motor (carby version of what's in there, with a smaller cam and less compression).

I bought it for the good grille and headlight surrounds for my 242, and will also swap the guards, bootlid and bumpers.

Some boring photos:

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f128/annaandnathan/Volvoness/13s%20for%201300/DSCN1656.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f128/annaandnathan/Volvoness/13s%20for%201300/DSCN1657.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f128/annaandnathan/Volvoness/13s%20for%201300/DSCN1658.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f128/annaandnathan/Volvoness/13s%20for%201300/DSCN1659.jpg

Plans:
740 turbo exhaust manifold ($45 from Pick'n'Pull).
Sad high-flow S5 RX-7 turbo ($50): http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f128/annaandnathan/MazdaCleanOut/Feb10-12038.jpg
Chinese intercooler Ebay intercooler ($75 from local classifieds website).
740 Turbo intake manifold & injectors ($50 from P&P).
Shitty old MTX8 from my old RX-7 with two fuct ignition drivers ($50).
Hyundai Excel double ended coils to make it work with only two ignition drivers ($20).
Oil fittings and stuff ($80).
Accumulator mods to BW35 autobox. Maybe shitty old bent fins stall converter if it needs it ($0).
Locked diff ($0).
15x8 widened 140 steelies:
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f128/annaandnathan/Volvoness/244RaceCarAndTrailer/244RaceCarandTrailer010.jpg. Hard, old circuit semi-slicks might stay, depending on what the rules end up being. ($50 for two).

Injectors might be undersize - if so, I'll fit S4 RX-7T injectors (+$100).

Best bit is that I already own all of that shit, so its only gonna cost me oil and time.

Current 'spend' = $620 if Volvo injectors work OK.

Sketchy
28-12-10, 09:41 PM
Currently loving this sick. Didn't even occur to me that 740 turbos still run a B23. This cunt will never die.

Needs bulk cheap skate side pipe for proper 80's touring car hektikness.

dhs
28-12-10, 09:42 PM
interior looks a little basic :D
should be fun!

buzz
28-12-10, 09:43 PM
Interesting. Early entrant for the trophy awarded to 'most change left over' from "13's for $1300".

So these things unopened respond ok to boost?

Spac
28-12-10, 09:53 PM
The later B230s have steel crank, pissy little rods, blah blah and there's a guy with 250kW+ from an unopened one. He's got a good turbo & Motec but the point is that the motor copes.
B21s have big forged crank, beefy rods, and thicker bore walls.

Similarly, there's plenty of Swedes (erm... the ones from Sweden who say 'bork bork bork') and Norwegians with 500hp+ from stock bottom ends and J-pipe turbo adaptors and stuff...

Ben.
28-12-10, 10:00 PM
people that know these things say they are tough as fuck and easy to get power out of but its something i've never seen much of. will be following this closely

ALLMTR
28-12-10, 10:07 PM
Wahooo, another contender!

What do these things weigh?

cracka
28-12-10, 10:24 PM
Phil, dont I own one of these?

Spac
29-12-10, 07:24 AM
Wahooo, another contender!

What do these things weigh?

About 1250kgs stock.
The DL model (base spec) was 1220kgs with air con, so I'm figuring that 1200kgs is realistic.

Ben Wilson
29-12-10, 08:11 AM
When I first saw the 13s for $1300 idea, i thought that something Volvo could be a dark horse. Then I started wondering about Spac's yard and quickly started thinking about other things.

Should be a good thing...

thedude
29-12-10, 10:03 AM
My heart lies with Valiant, but the smart money lies with the Volvo.

This should be fun.

Dogsballs
29-12-10, 11:15 AM
sooo much room in that bay!!!!!

2JZR31
29-12-10, 04:18 PM
Interesting project. Odd ball entries like this a good to see. Good luck with it mate :)

Paddington
29-12-10, 04:21 PM
subscribed. I await progress shots which should also include a bowling hat and tissue box of some sort.

what's that white two door thing parked next to the beige warrior?

Spac
29-12-10, 04:42 PM
Bmw 2002.

Paddington
29-12-10, 05:43 PM
ps if you are coming down to melb soon as per the engine for sale thread, I live across the road from Fatty/Ray, drop past and have a look at the wagon.

Captain_Slow
29-12-10, 07:50 PM
I think I've mentioned here before that I have an odd affection for 2-series Volvos, so I'm hoping this does well :) Good luck with it.

SELfor50
29-12-10, 08:33 PM
Love it. Ovlov is a darkhorse for sure.

Sketchy
29-12-10, 08:52 PM
Phil, dont I own one of these?

Yup. And it already has 4 pot brakes and a decent fuel system. I would imagine it runs a Bosch engine management system which I know some shit about (I think from memory they run the exact same mangagement as the later 740 Turbos but Spac will probably have a better idea) so shouldnt be hard to bodge up for boost.

Ghetto manifold (holesawed with some steampipe welded on attached to a t4 flange), ghetto dump pipe (out the bonnet), strap on the GT35 and a couple of old EJ20 top mount coolers and this shit is happening. Do it. Now.

I'll even help out.

Imposter Forg
29-12-10, 08:55 PM
depends on the year. carby ot mechanical injection till '81, then only mechanical injection (K-JET) till '86, then LH jettronic in various guises till '93

i may be a bit off on dates tho

Sketchy
29-12-10, 09:05 PM
Pretty sure Cracka's volvo is EFI and not mechanically injected. That would probably be easier if it was mechanical because we could just bodge up some extra injectors on a hob switch, retard the timing and go for gold.

L jet is a cunt to set up for boost (in bmw's anyway). I'm interested to see if morerevsm3's plan to use a bigger AFM works because that may be the way to go for Crackas if he decides to get involved.

Spac
29-12-10, 09:10 PM
depends on the year. carby ot mechanical injection till '81, then only mechanical injection (K-JET) till '86, then LH jettronic in various guises till '93

i may be a bit off on dates tho

Carby was a (rare) option until 84.

LH2.2 is pretty good. LH2.4 is actually very adaptable as it runs a wideband O2 sensor/closed loop all the time (not just at cruise). If you found a late model 240 for <$500, it would have a ton of potential purely because of this.

The yanks love their "+T" - basically jamming a turbo on the side of a NA motor with NA ECU. Works far better than you'd expect.

Euroboost
30-12-10, 03:33 PM
Pull the bumpers and shit off and it would damm near go under 1000kg! Not quiet but the old Retro cars magazine pulled a heap of weight out of a late model 240 wagon pretty cheaply.

Roadsailing
30-12-10, 04:04 PM
Last quote I got to get steelies widened was about $130 per wheel, either you found a better place than me, did them yourself or "had them in the shed" which i think is in the spirit of this X for $X thing.

Spac
30-12-10, 04:17 PM
Bought 'em second hand, princess.

vet 180
30-12-10, 04:21 PM
cool so what you pay for them? i didn't see it added to the total?

great build, look forward to the final result

sammm
30-12-10, 04:36 PM
sooo much room in that bay!!!!!

Google says 30 inches between the strut towers.

Anything that would obviously get it the way of a conversion? Crossmember position? Whats the steering setup?

buzz
30-12-10, 04:39 PM
Anything that would obviously get it the way of a conversion?

Budget mainly. There are numerous v8 versions getting around. There is an immaculate and rare bertone 2door with a small block cheve here in Canberra.

But why bother if the original combination offers a lot of potential without swapsies needed.

Captain_Slow
30-12-10, 06:56 PM
A little bit of research I did a few months back on this suggested that Windsor V8 power is something often done in the States; I was looking for LS1-converted ones but there didn't seem to be much of that.

Spac
30-12-10, 07:10 PM
Google says 30 inches between the strut towers.

Anything that would obviously get it the way of a conversion? Crossmember position? Whats the steering setup?

Stock sumps are rear-bowl. Rack & pinion in front of the cross-member.

Old style Holden/Chev/Ford V8 red motor conversions are/were common. Most I6s will fit (inc Volvo B6304, Ford 250, 7MGTE and Holden red motor). VG30DExx will fit.
Late model Volvo V8 fits.

The Volvo red block is a hugely under-rated engine. The guy who ported my 244 rally car's head described it as "the best 2V head this side of a Nascar".
Main & big end journals as fat as your wrist, etc.

Spac
30-12-10, 07:12 PM
cool so what you pay for them? i didn't see it added to the total?

$100/four with the tyres. Have subsequently failed to sell them on for the same amount.
Its in the total, below the pic of the wheel.

Better actually do something on the bloody car now...

karl_2ltGC
30-12-10, 07:29 PM
I highly approve of this. I rather enjoyed driving my old 760 turbo, was always good for plenty of laughs.
Should piss in a 13 and leave plenty of money for beer.

sammm
30-12-10, 08:54 PM
Stock sumps are rear-bowl. Rack & pinion in front of the cross-member.

Old style Holden/Chev/Ford V8 red motor conversions are/were common. Most I6s will fit (inc Volvo B6304, Ford 250, 7MGTE and Holden red motor). VG30DExx will fit.

Exactly the info I was looking for, thanks.

I was thinking Ford 4.0 for cheapness, availability and the BW35 bellhousing but the front sump is probably going to be a problem.

Is the BW35 what is going to be in most of them?

MRMOPARMAN
30-12-10, 09:01 PM
bw51 in EA series 1. EA s2 on had the btr 4 speed

Spac
30-12-10, 09:05 PM
BW35 until 1983. Then AW70, although a fair number seem to have AW71s. The AW70s are weak, although they work fine with a stock motor and have 4 gears. The Volvo people rate the AW71s, but I've had two fail in standard (factory turbo) cars.

To predict your next question: Diff is a Dana30 (1030 in Volvo-speak) in the early cars and then became a Volvo-unique 1031 in the later cars. Change over was progressive from 1979ish to 1984ish.
The 1031 uses the same axles and hemisphere, but has a larger pinion. The normal first point of failure is the 'planetary' gears inside the hemi, then the axles.
They're pretty tough regardless.

sammm
30-12-10, 09:08 PM
bw51 in EA series 1. EA s2 on had the btr 4 speed

Just reread and it really wasn't clear - is the BW35 what most auto Volvos would have?

Imposter Forg
01-01-11, 12:26 PM
A little bit of research I did a few months back on this suggested that Windsor V8 power is something often done in the States; I was looking for LS1-converted ones but there didn't seem to be much of that.

get onto youtube, type in "volvette" ;)

WildZero
03-01-11, 03:04 AM
I give my glowing approval of this project! If it didn't take away some of the 'drive on by a Police car ability' I'd even suggest something like a matt black respray in rattle cans if the budget could take a $20 hit?

Eagerly awaiting updates ;)

ALLMTR
07-01-11, 03:37 PM
Updates?

jmac
12-01-11, 03:20 AM
I worked on these things as an apprentice - you aren't kidding when you say those engines are tough. They are fucken indestructible. The mech injection is meh, but the intake manifold flows ok ish. nothing boost won't fix, and that's where you'll have luck - they can handle absolutely shitloads.

sean
14-01-11, 08:18 PM
Wishing I didn't crush one of these 12 months ago... Otherwise I'd be in for this 13s for 13 sillyness even if I did have to tow the cunt to victoria.

GT-R LM
14-01-11, 08:36 PM
old bloke down the road who owns SR performance as couple of these with 350 chevs in em, i think his one goes low 13's high 12's.

New Stratos
17-01-11, 03:21 PM
Wishing I didn't crush one of these 12 months ago... Otherwise I'd be in for this 13s for 13 sillyness even if I did have to tow the cunt to victoria.

But you've got not 1, but 2, 1984 Scorpions!

No excuse not to do it....

sean
17-01-11, 07:12 PM
It'll cost me most of the 1300 to get to a drag strip and back from Adelaide.

morerevsm3
17-01-11, 07:23 PM
travel costs don't count

Spac
19-01-11, 11:25 PM
Fuck it, I'm out.
Just have no time/too many other distractions (kids, work [who was the silly cunt that didn't take holidays and has covered five other blokes for the last three weeks?], bikes, road cars, rally car, getting fit).
I someone (read: Imposter Forg probably roping in LT and/or GLE) wants to man up and take charge of the project then they're welcome to it all.

I may yet finish it, but strictly on my own timetable.

ALLMTR
19-01-11, 11:36 PM
:(

Jim
20-01-11, 04:17 AM
Damn :( but understandable

rowdytoot
20-01-11, 04:20 AM
take some holidays then you clown !:D
shame i was looking forward to this running

morerevsm3
20-01-11, 04:36 AM
bugger, was looking forward to this one

buzz
20-01-11, 05:59 AM
:(
Oh well... with any luck you will eventually find time to finish something Swedezilla volvo-ish turbo-ish monster.

aaron_hogan
20-01-11, 08:41 AM
Fuck it, I'm out.
Just have no time/too many other distractions (kids, work [who was the silly cunt that didn't take holidays and has covered five other blokes for the last three weeks?], bikes, road cars, rally car, getting fit).
I someone (read: Imposter Forg probably roping in LT and/or GLE) wants to man up and take charge of the project then they're welcome to it all.

I may yet finish it, but strictly on my own timetable.

I hear ya!
no holidays in 2.5 years
understaffed and carrying at least 2 vacant positions in addition to my own

The only way you can ever get these things done is on your own timetable.
Biggest hurdle i find is not being able to do the running around needed, although i'm finding ways to incorporate it.

So by all means take it easy and come back to the challenge when you feel up to it.