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Andrew Bolt
29-12-10, 11:52 AM
1967 engineless Crown ute jigsaw puzzle $100
7MGTE $400
undecided on turbo(s) - I have a Trust Greddy twin turbo manifold ($100 about 10 years ago) that I could run with some TD04s (maybe 3-400 for the pair?) here but could fairly easily get a CT26 manifold for nothing.
A340 $0
tailshaft $200ish
fuel system $100
I have $500 left for zorst and turbos.

Clearly I'm going to run over budget by the time I do the wiring and all the other little things I need to make it happen. I actually want to be able to stop so I'm going to engineer a front disc brake conversion - the PF lynch mob can decide whether that's not in the spirit of things. Some of you may have driven a car with non power assisted 4 wheel drums - it's no fun at pedestrian speeds.

I'm a bit busy with work till NYD so no pics till then.

ALLMTR
29-12-10, 11:58 AM
FWIW, Im happy with a brake upgrade being exempt.

How did you get an A340 for free?

Also FWIW Im ok with free bits but need a bit of a story as to why they were free (IMO)

Andrew Bolt
29-12-10, 12:02 PM
A340s are a dime a dozen. This one came from a manual conversion 1UZ - I was buying other stuff and this was sitting in the garage about to go to scrap metal. I took it - everyone was happy. I have to source an M bellhousing for it - but that's easy.

neil_se
29-12-10, 01:35 PM
Disc brakes are a safety issue not performance related so I think it should be fine. I look forward to seeing the progress.

JZK25
29-12-10, 02:10 PM
The engine has a manifold on it GT. With T3 adaptor also.

I'll put the feeler out on a pair of turbos.

The engine comes with a 7M auto bellhousing. ;)
Don't forget to budget for a hobbs switch to trigger the awesome greddy extra injectors.

P.S. When you are finished, sell the ute to me.

fantapants
29-12-10, 02:15 PM
wasnt someone floating aound some rebuilt 7mgte for 500 in the 13 for 1300 thread? from the shadowy depths of christmas memory it was making 200rwkw= or something with a steel headgasket? might be cheper to get that than get the current one running with twins?

ps love the ute :)

RotorBoy
29-12-10, 02:34 PM
Rebuilt 7m is mine. Spac is/was selling it

Get some pics if the ute up!

Andrew Bolt
29-12-10, 02:54 PM
Definitely up for some TD04Ls. I'd love to run a TT 7MGTE.

Shifty
29-12-10, 03:07 PM
fuckinwoosh. you'll piss it in GT - fwiw my 7m/auto supra ran 13.7 at ~101mph with full 3" exhaust, k&n and 10-11psi with stock everything else. with a manual box it did the same 13.7 at ~104mph

and that was no doubt heavy compared to your crown

Andrew Bolt
29-12-10, 03:15 PM
Friend ran a 12.something with a 7MGTE Corona Mk2. Not for a second am I suggesting that I'll run a 12.

Jim
29-12-10, 03:19 PM
This is by far the classiest 1300 project.

Andrew Bolt
29-12-10, 03:25 PM
The ute is hilarious. Has old handpainted signwriting on it, both the doors are sitting in the tray (amongst a plethora of spares), paint has rubbed off on the corners and there's a little bit of rust/old paint patina about - it's a little bit ratty. Amazing thing is that it's reasonably straight and the wiring is unfucked.

MRMOPARMAN
29-12-10, 04:11 PM
pics or it never happened :D

lemme know if you want that convertor!

this shit is gettin serious quick.. looks like it might end up being 12's for $1300!

2JZR31
29-12-10, 04:30 PM
Love the project. 4 wheel drum is insane.

PS try and get a A340 from a 1JZ. Or see if the 1JZ converter fits on. I know it wont fit a 2JZ A340. But a 1JZ converter is much looser than a 2JZ and presumably a 1UZ. You will need a lot of power to overcome the 2.3 60 foot time otherwise. 2000rpm lag lauches FTL. I think I ran 13s at 125 with the GT35 and stock 2J converter. That said this project looks like it will not be lacking in powah. 13s at 115?

Paddington
29-12-10, 05:24 PM
To hell with car hunting up in the sticks in Jan, you have to get this sorted asap purely for the awesomeness.

Monk
29-12-10, 06:18 PM
pics or it never happened :D



x2 man. C'mon...

Shifty
29-12-10, 07:22 PM
I had no problems getting 2.0s with my stock 7m auto & converter.

Throttle + footbrake + handbrake fasts.

10sec rx7
29-12-10, 07:42 PM
FWIW i did a TT 7mgte and it ran high 120mph at the strip in a cressida.. it had twin ct26's on it...

twin td04L's would work awesome and cost about $250 for the pair..

2JZR31
29-12-10, 07:46 PM
I had no problems getting 2.0s with my stock 7m auto & converter.

Throttle + footbrake + handbrake fasts.

Stock turbs tend to work with stock converters. A GT35 in place of sequential pea shooters meant I also had 2.0 to begin with then 2.3 or so after. Do you recall what the 7M converter stalled to? A 2J will not go past 2000. A 1UZ I could imagine would be the same. But as long as the turbo makes boost below 2 I think it might be OK.

Andrew Bolt
29-12-10, 07:57 PM
I have a 1JZGE (atmo) A340. It was attached to a $400 1JZGE.

Dennis do you know whether that will have a looser converter?

2JZR31
29-12-10, 08:03 PM
I have no idea on the 1JZGE bit I would guess its probably the same as the GTE? Either way a 2.5 is going to have a lot less torque down low so it would almost certainly be looser than a 4.0 engine. Maybe just see if the converter fits on the UZ box.

Also sit them next to each other. I think the 1JZGTE one is not as thick as the 2JZGTE one when side by side but the diameter is the same. There were pics floating around the net. This will be a good clue. My brother could stall his 1JZ up to 3500+? plus with the stock converter and people have run 1.5x 60 foot times in Soarers with the stock converter. The converter is largely why soarers can beat auto supras at the drags with less power and more weight. IMO if you can find one it will be worth using. It could literally take a second or 2 your time or more if you end up in a bog down situation with large turbo and low stall.

Andrew Bolt
29-12-10, 08:13 PM
Awesome. Will have to do a bit of mix and match - see what fits.

2JZR31
29-12-10, 08:17 PM
For some insanely retarded reason A340s have different spline counts and I am not sure what fits what.

SELfor50
29-12-10, 08:53 PM
crown ute, fuck yes. Pics, stat!

ALLMTR
31-12-10, 09:39 AM
What ^ said

Andrew Bolt
31-12-10, 11:44 AM
My New Year's plans have been set in concrete. I will have pics tomorrow night.

In the meantime, this is what one looks like. Mine is 100x rougher and less assembled.
http://www.mooneyes.co.jp/photo/cp09/i/047.jpg

jzx83
31-12-10, 07:44 PM
Sweet pic GT. Love the more or less period correct wheels too. Yours will be a rat version of that then? Or will it get some paint n panel lovin'?

ALLMTR
04-01-11, 12:31 PM
How did the nye plans pan out?

RS56
04-01-11, 12:40 PM
Interested to see what you work out for the Front brakes.

I'm surprised there aren't more people in this challenge using the 7MGTE/Older Toyo combo.

Cheers

Jeremy

Andrew Bolt
04-01-11, 02:42 PM
They didn't pan out quite as planned.

Complicated convoluted process. I am taking a swag of panels down to the shed of dreams later this week. This will allow room to move the engines in the garage out of the way. I can then work on the Corona that's up on axle stands and get it back on 4 wheels. Then I can move it, the 4 other cars and the V12 halfcut on my property to the shed of dreams.

Have sourced everything I need except for a Hobb switch and a pair of TD04s. The engine just has to come down to Melbourne from JZK25's place.

Sketchy
04-01-11, 02:48 PM
Can vouch for the 7m being a good thing. It donated the turbo and R154 for the e30 and was well cared for by the look of it when I picked it up from the importers. Looks like it has a metal headgasket in it as well :)

Andrew Bolt
04-01-11, 03:11 PM
Interested to see what you work out for the Front brakes.

I'm surprised there aren't more people in this challenge using the 7MGTE/Older Toyo combo.

Cheers

JeremyHey Jeremy.

Plan is to use the standard stub axle and hub. Fit Series 1 AU Falcon front rotors over the hubs and use VR Commodore calipers. Just need to make a caliper bracket. I'll fashion something out of woodcraft and get it copied by my local engineer when he opens. Use KE30-55 AMI Corolla booster with a Commodore master and Robert's your father's brother.

RS56
04-01-11, 03:26 PM
Nice that should come to a stop better than the drums.

How strong are the diff's in the 40 series?

Can't wait to see some pic's of this getting built there just aren't enough old Crown build thread's these days.

JZK25
04-01-11, 05:42 PM
2 Oil pressure switches will do for hobbs switch, use a dodgy bleed valve to stagger the two extra injectors.

Will get that engine on a pallett next week when I am back to the grindstone.

I am looking for some suitable turbos. Will let you know.

Pics of V12 halfcut?

Andrew Bolt
04-01-11, 05:56 PM
No sweat mate. I have to clear room! PM me your bank details as soon as you have an idea on what shipping will be.:)

Jeremy, pretty sure they're an E series. They usually make a whole lot of bearing noise before they blow up. I have a million diff pumpkins lying around but I'm scouting for a cheap 40 series Hilux diff (same width as the Crown diff and the added bonus of having the leaf spring mounts at exactly the same distance).

MRMOPARMAN
04-01-11, 08:39 PM
would an rh4x hiace diff do the job? they come up fairly regularly at the self serve wreckers round melbourne.

ive got my eye on an RH2x just round the corner from me actually ;)

oh and pics of crown still not loading!

RS56
04-01-11, 09:52 PM
What do the 40 series Hilux's look like ?

There is a guy here in Canberra selling an RN20 for cheap but I'm assuming that's more a Celica width diff.

Also V12 is awesome I've been reading the build thread (Toymods) for Crambo's 1GZFE MA61 and that's a bit of engineering magic an IS200 would be even more creative and awesome mechanically.

But back to the ute.

What size wheels are you going to need to cover the new front brakes?

Also are you going to hit the drag strip with the stock Crown interior or will you add seatbelts?

Cheers

Jeremy

MRMOPARMAN
04-01-11, 10:11 PM
buy that RN20.. buy it now!

they have the thin G series that are worth more than their weight in gold :)

RN 40's are the slanty nose ones with the square lights

http://www.weekendhobby.com/board/landrover/picture%5C24255215550.jpg

jimmyg
05-01-11, 01:05 PM
I feel you are aware of my stance on pics (or lack there of) so im not going to ask for any. I will say this however. How farkin cool is this plan! Makes a VN on nos look a wee bit half assed.

I would be more than happy to have my POS subaru beaten to the 400m mark by this project.:D

Cheers:)

RS56
05-01-11, 01:33 PM
Would love to buy the RN20 but I've nowhere to keep it.

RN40 wreck is now on my shopping list though.
do you know what year model they are ?

Andrew Bolt
05-01-11, 01:51 PM
1979(ish) through to mid 80's. I think anything through to about 100 series will fit though. Bring a tape measure - it needs to be 1410 mm across and 1000mm across centre to centre of the leaf spring perches. The Crown U bolts fit too - just had a tiny bit of grinding because a weld was making it too snug.

Hiace diffs are too wide (1570mm IIRC).

aaron_hogan
05-01-11, 05:19 PM
1979(ish) through to mid 80's. I think anything through to about 100 series will fit though. Bring a tape measure - it needs to be 1410 mm across and 1000mm across centre to centre of the leaf spring perches. The Crown U bolts fit too - just had a tiny bit of grinding because a weld was making it too snug.

Hiace diffs are too wide (1570mm IIRC).

Once upon a time i had a good source for hilux/hiace diffs and profited greatly. I believe that one i sold has come nearly full circle and may be sitting in my mates driveway in Reservoir after changing several hands. If this is the same diff its ex-hiace, 5 stud, saddles/perches are on the bottom where they need to be and has the more conventional handbrake cable through the backing plate rather than the lateral pull handbrake. Also its 1410mm wide (approx same as RX4 coincidentally). I will head up there and enquire on your behalf at some stage by the weekend as I'm trying to fernangle some donated rotor parts.

Andrew Bolt
05-01-11, 06:04 PM
Once upon a time i had a good source for hilux/hiace diffs and profited greatly. I believe that one i sold has come nearly full circle and may be sitting in my mates driveway in Reservoir after changing several hands. If this is the same diff its ex-hiace, 5 stud, saddles/perches are on the bottom where they need to be and has the more conventional handbrake cable through the backing plate rather than the lateral pull handbrake. Also its 1410mm wide (approx same as RX4 coincidentally). I will head up there and enquire on your behalf at some stage by the weekend as I'm trying to fernangle some donated rotor parts.
Very interested.

MRMOPARMAN
05-01-11, 06:38 PM
i also have an rh4x diff sitting at home.. will measure on saturday to double check. i thought it was roughly 1415mm iirc?

Jim
05-01-11, 06:45 PM
bought a goddamn camera yet? :p

RS56
05-01-11, 07:00 PM
Will have to visit some wreckers and find out if any are hiding some Hilux's.

Also have a mate with a shit ton of cars out on his farm that may have some amongst the shitters.

Also waiting for pic's cause I've not seen another un-restored 40 series ute before so it lets me judge the condition of mine...

Tils
05-01-11, 07:36 PM
It's a cool lookin ute man! If I were you I'd be planning resto after this comp...

JZK25
06-01-11, 10:06 AM
Got you two TFO35HM's for $150 GT.
They are off GT foresters. Similiar compressor to a TDO4L but smaller turbine.

Andrew Bolt
06-01-11, 10:09 AM
I am set!

A bit of motivation...

5MGE turbo MS65 - 14.2 400m
DC7Mi2IkEyQ

Stitty's wagon
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Ran a 13.7

RS56
06-01-11, 10:16 AM
JZK25 your a handy bloke to know.

Shifty
06-01-11, 10:31 AM
I have an Rn16 Hilux, smallest Hilux diff evar ;)

Rorz de Puniet
06-01-11, 10:46 AM
I like this project a lot. Have a bit of a soft spot for 7M's. An MA70 I had years ago actually went fairly well with minor mods til the 7M lunched itself and was replaced with a 1J.

Paddington
06-01-11, 08:52 PM
Dave, Centre Road Wreckers (you probably know this) always has a good selection of Hiaces and the odd old Hilux in there. I raped a few Hiaces from there over the years for the rotary friendly ratios. Cheap-ish too.

Andrew Bolt
07-01-11, 09:35 AM
May possibly have come on to 2 Hilux diff jigsaw puzzles. $150 for the pair.

HoonBoy
07-01-11, 09:55 AM
I would like to point out that the purchase of a camera to document the build is not going to be included in the $1,300

Jim
07-01-11, 10:27 AM
I'm calling this fake. IB he doesn't even own a crown at all.



( :rotflol: )

Andrew Bolt
07-01-11, 12:06 PM
:lol:

Got pics. Will upload shortly.

floody
07-01-11, 12:11 PM
RN40 wreck is now on my shopping list though.
do you know what year model they are ?

xN3x/xN4x are 1979-mid'83. Some '83s will be xN5x.

RS56
07-01-11, 12:25 PM
That's handy thanks Floody

Andrew Bolt
07-01-11, 01:04 PM
Ok pictostory.

The shed of dreams. About 6 Crowns here, 4 utes a wagon and a sedan. There are a few more strewn across the countryside - running tally is at 11.
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3295/1001062n.th.jpg (http://img148.imageshack.us/i/1001062n.jpg/)

The victim. Last registered in 1991. Sat in a garage since then awaiting restoration.
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/2571/1001063x.th.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/i/1001063x.jpg/)
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/9632/1001067u.th.jpg (http://img211.imageshack.us/i/1001067u.jpg/)
Under the tarp is a treasure trove of spares, including the door.
http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/8334/1001066r.th.jpg (http://img713.imageshack.us/i/1001066r.jpg/)

In the engine bay I was surprised to find an engine. It was sold to me as engineless so this is both annoying and awesome.
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6929/1001064e.th.jpg (http://img148.imageshack.us/i/1001064e.jpg/)
It's a 2M with a 41012 head, which means high comp 2.3 litre. Handy, because the green wagon has a '5' cylinder M series motor in it. Annoying because I have to pull the thing out.
The ute has rust in all the usual places - the sills are crapped out -and it has a small ding in the right rear but I reckon a well placed suction cup will straighten that out.
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/5215/1001065d.th.jpg (http://img341.imageshack.us/i/1001065d.jpg/)

So that's the ute. To move the thing, I'll be running a 7MGTE (it's at JZK's place) with a Trust-Greddy twin turbo manifold for a 5MGE. I bought this about 10 (possibly more) years ago for about $100. It was sitting on a shelf and the wrecker had no idea what it was for. I bought it and laughingly he asked what the fuck I was going to do with it - I then turned it upside down and showed him how the studs lined up with a 7M. He went quiet after that. Yes it will be running standard exhaust studs. The engine will be running off the standard ECU but I'll do the good old 1UZFE AFM trick to fuel it up a bit more. There are also a couple of extra injectors - I'll run these off some Hobbs switches. I'll be using a pair of TD04s from a Liberty. I should profusely thank JZK for sourcing the engine and turbos.:worship:
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9238/1001057d.th.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/i/1001057d.jpg/)

Behind the 7M, I'll be running an A340 from behind a 1UZ. No idea whether the ECU is an auto or manual one but if it's manual, I'll just manualise the auto with a rotating switch.

Like I said above I may be on to some Hilux diffs so I'll run one of those if I can get one. I have a thousand sets of 14 x 7 mags so I'll just be running a set of those - got my eyes on some Hotwires that came with a shitter I wrecked years ago.

Ute 100
engine 400
manifold 100
turbos 150
auto free

I think I said early in the piece I will run over $1300 - tailshaft gets me there - I think I'll be able to sneak it in under 2K.

Anyway lynch mob, flame away.

QABB
07-01-11, 01:20 PM
Love the cool old signwriting!

Sell me the wagon - that'd make a great cruiser!

RS56
07-01-11, 01:26 PM
Now that's a serious Shed.

Its like the lost land of the 40 Series Crown in there.

Build will be awesome once you've got all the gear in one place.

Jim
07-01-11, 04:02 PM
Even if it is the slowest car of the group it still wins max internets for coolness!

Cock Fist
07-01-11, 04:46 PM
I want your shed.

my limp penis
07-01-11, 06:44 PM
7M for life, you'll piss it in GT ;)

ps sell me your TT manifold...

perthdrivers.txt
07-01-11, 09:50 PM
Some of us wont care if it creeps over $1300 as long as its done :)

schnitzelburger
07-01-11, 10:20 PM
can i have a sleep over in your crown factory?

Sketchy
07-01-11, 10:36 PM
7M ecu is defintely manual.

Very much so looking forward to this.

ALLMTR
15-01-11, 01:16 PM
Any news, GT?

Andrew Bolt
15-01-11, 05:15 PM
Busy riding my bike trying to lose a kilo or two - training for a little ride (http://www.cyclingprofiles.com.au/HTM/Audax/REC_ADXACE250.htm) next weekend.

But.

Motors are delayed by flooding/in possible dispute.
Missed out on Hilux diffs but I know where there are others.
Waiting to hear back on a modified top half of a 7M manifold - shortens the intercooler piping and avoids the alternator.
Thinking about buying an ebay intercooler but will only do that once I know the diameter of the various bits of piping.

New Stratos
17-01-11, 08:45 PM
I want your shed.

Obvious.

Even my wife (nopics) wants your shed!

ALLMTR
21-01-11, 10:12 PM
13.6

MRMOPARMAN
21-01-11, 11:02 PM
13.6

craaaaazy niiiiiiiggha

Nitephyre
22-01-11, 09:21 AM
Mmmm, Crowns :D