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morerevsm3
29-12-10, 07:47 PM
on blocks where it was found for $500

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture001.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture002.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture003.jpg


it was washed, oil and filters changed, new windscreen and registered within 2 weeks of that photo, waiting for son to email current pics, but doesn't look much different, but is opposite of apearing like a 4wd.
have purchased 535i AFM and injectors for $100, waiting to hear back on manifold, that is about all until we get some other parts, when done, son will drive over from Adelaide to run it at Heathcote

morerevsm3
29-12-10, 07:56 PM
son emailed pics
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/DSCN1022.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/DSCN1021.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/DSCN1023.jpg

2JZR31
29-12-10, 07:57 PM
Adding whoosh? Details please :)

morerevsm3
29-12-10, 08:23 PM
lets just say I need a T3 turbo...

Sketchy
29-12-10, 09:37 PM
Very interested to see how this pans out. I honesty cant see the e28 AFM overcoming the ECU's propensity to eat bags of dicks once it senses boost pressure but I would love to be proven wrong :)

Tell edo to stop taking your photos too.

Paddington
29-12-10, 10:04 PM
V I honesty cant see the e28 AFM overcoming the ECU's propensity to eat bags of dicks once it senses boost pressure but I would love to be proven wrong :)


snorted coffee out of my nose at the dick comment.

Cheap go fasts for a bimmer = very cool.

morerevsm3
29-12-10, 10:34 PM
Very interested to see how this pans out. I honesty cant see the e28 AFM overcoming the ECU's propensity to eat bags of dicks once it senses boost pressure but I would love to be proven wrong :)

Tell edo to stop taking your photos too.

works in conjunction with this
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160522819575

another $40 to the tally

Ben.
30-12-10, 09:58 AM
Very interested to see how this pans out. I honesty cant see the e28 AFM overcoming the ECU's propensity to eat bags of dicks once it senses boost pressure but I would love to be proven wrong :)

Tell edo to stop taking your photos too.

not knowing bmw's, the following is general info, there may be something im missing thats bmw specific...

AFM's cant actually 'see' boost, all they do is measure mass air flowing through it. take any given AFM, if its on a 2l motor with 1bar being shoved down its throat, or on a 4L NA motor, it will see the same mass airflow through it (not allowing for small differences in VE between the two motors of course). it probly just so happens that when you get to Xpsi, thats when the ECU will see too high of a voltage from the AFM and assume somethings wrong.

the same thing would happen if you took all the electrics out of that car and put them on a naturally aspirated 454, you'd get halfway through the rev range at WOT, there would be too much air moving through it and it would poop itself.

so OP is getting an AFM out of another car, that outputs less voltage for a given amount of mass air. ECU will never see the high voltage and not poop itself :)

2JZR31
30-12-10, 10:29 AM
But the ECU will wrongly assume there is less load than there actually is and provide too much ignition timing and not enough fuel. So this needs to be compensated for by similar bodgy means, such as bigger injectors and or more fuel pressure (almost perfect solution for boost) and winding off timing on the distributer (can work but has its own issues). This is what 13s for $1300 in is all about.

morerevsm3
30-12-10, 11:23 AM
I have a feeling that this is the only car in the challenge that is actually a daily driver, after the challenge, some bodgy stuff will be tidied up a little, but not a whole lot

manifold purchased for $100

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/IMG_7694.jpg

from here

http://www.e30tech.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101409

evil_weevil
30-12-10, 11:28 AM
lets just say I need a T3 turbo...

I have a busted r33 turbo at home?

morerevsm3
30-12-10, 12:04 PM
busted, as in doesn't work? I need something that works, with internal gate

Sketchy
30-12-10, 01:14 PM
But the ECU will wrongly assume there is less load than there actually is and provide too much ignition timing and not enough fuel. So this needs to be compensated for by similar bodgy means, such as bigger injectors and or more fuel pressure (almost perfect solution for boost) and winding off timing on the distributer (can work but has its own issues). This is what 13s for $1300 in is all about.

This is more so what I was getting at. Bigger injectors will definitely work when on boost under load but idle and low/part throttle will be the issue as the flap type afm is only effective up to around 3500 - 4000rpm. Anything over that the ecu basically operates injector timing in relation to known values stored in memory compared to engine rpm. Timing is also a major factor to consider. Bosch l jet doesn't control timing, it's done traditionally with fly weights and vacumn retard so you may be able to jig something there.

Either way, have at it and I will be following with interest. Best of luck.

morerevsm3
30-12-10, 01:28 PM
the bigger AFM is offset by the bigger injectors, I had same AFM and injectors in my E30 when I had the 2.7 in it, just gives a lot more head room, the second regulator looks after fuel on boost, and distributor will be played with to control timing to some degree. after the challenge, a 2.7 with 885 head will go in it, the lower compression will keep it a good daily (I hope)

vet 180
30-12-10, 04:56 PM
have an r32 turbo here. also in adelaide

morerevsm3
30-12-10, 05:14 PM
how much you want for it?

vet 180
30-12-10, 05:18 PM
well i did want $200 for it as its in very good condition and has all lines and stock dump. What is the going rate these days?

morerevsm3
30-12-10, 05:29 PM
in the sirit of this cheap arse challenge, how about $130?

vet 180
30-12-10, 05:42 PM
hmmm ill want a little more but i am sure we can work something out. shoot me a pm. where you located?

morerevsm3
31-12-10, 11:24 PM
Tim (my son) met up with vet 180 today and purchased turbo with dump, oil lines, and intercooler for $200, that should be all the big ticket items out of the way, and I should have enough fittings and exhaust bits to do the rest laying around, I even have a good second hand pair of exhaust manifold gaskets, will have to go and pick his car up in a few weeks when work quietens down a bit, should be able to have it running in a weekend once car and parts are all here

morerevsm3
02-01-11, 07:26 PM
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/fknwhoosh.jpg

morerevsm3
04-01-11, 09:13 PM
should only need about 130rwkw to get this into 13's, my caged E30 sedan weighs 1050kg with me in it, so should be able to at least match the weight

ALLMTR
04-01-11, 09:38 PM
Hmmmm maybe 150ish

morerevsm3
04-01-11, 10:00 PM
well, will see what sort of power we can get, then remove more weight if necessary

vet 180
05-01-11, 12:34 PM
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/fknwhoosh.jpg

yeah my mate who owns half the turbo with me, was like i am not selling that cheap to some forum fag like ns. i said he is from pf....hook him up.

in fact i have some bits around the place i might put up for others.

e30guy
05-01-11, 11:01 PM
mecmw on eurocca is making about 200hp with 5-6psi out of his SC14 equipped 323. I would think you should be able to shit 150kW in, just gotta get some fuel in it. A piggy back to drive some extra fuel in it and you would be there!

2JZR31
05-01-11, 11:22 PM
130rwkw is all a SC14 will put out on anything.

vet 180
05-01-11, 11:31 PM
^^^thats it. the 32 turbs can do 160rwkws

morerevsm3
05-01-11, 11:33 PM
mecmw on eurocca is making about 200hp with 5-6psi out of his SC14 equipped 323. I would think you should be able to shit 150kW in, just gotta get some fuel in it. A piggy back to drive some extra fuel in it and you would be there!

I think I may be driving too much fuel in with bigger injectors, and fuel pressure rising 12 psi for every psi boost. above turbo is now for sale, found T04 for more boosts

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120665364754&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

XR6DAZZLER
05-01-11, 11:40 PM
I have friend with a 1JZ in a 320 in the Stains .. PM and i can hook you up ?

morerevsm3
05-01-11, 11:45 PM
I have friend with a 1JZ in a 320 in the Stains .. PM and i can hook you up ?

??? a 1JZ E30 has nothing in common with a $1300 build to run a 13.

Tils
06-01-11, 02:12 PM
I just so happen to have an old mfi version one of these... not sure if any parts are compatible though

morerevsm3
06-01-11, 06:55 PM
E21? or E30?

takai
07-01-11, 01:40 PM
You know they now have a 1/4mi sprint in SA these days.

morerevsm3
07-01-11, 05:35 PM
yes, but you will never run a representative time there as no burnout, and no VHT

morerevsm3
09-01-11, 07:17 PM
son is driving the car over to my place in 2 weeks, hopefully all the parts arrive in the meantime, president of local car club has offered to do exhaust and cooler pipes (out of exhaust tube) for cost price of materials, hopefully it will all come together as quick as the WA VN once the car gets here

morerevsm3
14-01-11, 01:48 PM
a lot of the parts are here, picked up a metre of alloy pipe, and 800mm of silicon hose for $41.50 from fleabay
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260715773009&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture.jpg

ALLMTR
14-01-11, 02:18 PM
This challenge would be unpossible without ebay

Sketchy
14-01-11, 02:30 PM
I think I may be driving too much fuel in with bigger injectors, and fuel pressure rising 12 psi for every psi boost. above turbo is now for sale, found T04 for more boosts

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120665364754&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

What rate are the BMW injectors? I used rb20 turbo injectors in my e30 before I upgraded to bosch motorposrt items. All I had to do was nip off the guide ridge so the stock bmw injector plugs clipped on and off I went. Bout 350cc/min from memory although the skyline fags here would probably have a better idea.

morerevsm3
14-01-11, 02:48 PM
I think they are 19Lb, will see how they go, I have a wideband for the M3 I will stick in it to sort fuel and make sure it is safe

lysdexia
14-01-11, 03:05 PM
What rate are the BMW injectors? I used rb20 turbo injectors in my e30 before I upgraded to bosch motorposrt items. All I had to do was nip off the guide ridge so the stock bmw injector plugs clipped on and off I went. Bout 350cc/min from memory although the skyline fags here would probably have a better idea.

270CC for RB20 turbo

/skylinefag

GHaST
21-01-11, 04:28 PM
I made 14.3 with a shithouse 2.2 60' .. 98mph.. with 136rwkw

But with a proper take off, and more lights it should be no issues.

150rwkw would be a shoe in. and this kind of powah should be easy too. Good luck!

ALLMTR
21-01-11, 10:02 PM
14.2

morerevsm3
21-01-11, 11:34 PM
some progress at last, car is here, injectors changed, exhaust off, A/C removed, half way through opening up turbo manifold port holes, which are off centre, and undersize, front shocks are single acting originals, so with the M/T rear tyres borrowed from my M3, 1.8 60' should be easy, will take some pics tommorrow

morerevsm3
23-01-11, 11:39 AM
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture006-1.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture005-1.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture007.jpg

BMWTurbo
23-01-11, 07:13 PM
Looking good.. but please don't ever die grind over your leg like that again!!

Potsy
23-01-11, 07:17 PM
Looking good.. but please don't ever die grind over your leg like that again!!

Forget the leg, wear the safety glasses FFS. I spent 24hrs in the eye hospital getting cast iron out of my eye doing exactly this ^

HoonBoy
23-01-11, 07:22 PM
+1 on the safety gear, too many hospital and doctor visits to count from being lazy and not wearing it.

It's a rather stripped interior for a daily driver :)

ALLMTR
23-01-11, 07:42 PM
Looking good, keep at it.

Dogsballs
23-01-11, 10:22 PM
dash mat is still there for daily duties!!

morerevsm3
24-01-11, 02:24 AM
+1 on the safety gear, too many hospital and doctor visits to count from being lazy and not wearing it.

It's a rather stripped interior for a daily driver :)

carpet will be going back in after challenge...sound deadening won't be, he got told about the safety goggles, and they won't help sitting next to him.
manifold is on, need the postman to bring turbo now

nitrane
24-01-11, 03:30 PM
forget the leg, wear the safety glasses ffs. I spent 24hrs in the eye hospital getting cast iron out of my eye doing exactly this ^

+1

morerevsm3
24-01-11, 05:20 PM
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture008.jpg

GHaST
24-01-11, 06:26 PM
Watch out for melty lead syndrome.. Heh
Hey how much weight do you think was in the sound deadener in an e30?

morerevsm3
24-01-11, 07:26 PM
at least 10kg of sound deadener inside the car

Sketchy
14-02-11, 03:48 PM
at least 10kg of sound deadener inside the car

More like 20kg if you include the foam shit under the carpet and the tar stuck to the floor. About as much in the boot too.

Marv
14-02-11, 03:51 PM
Heaps on the firewall (engine bay and under the dash) too.

2JZR31
14-02-11, 04:00 PM
This thing is looking good. Sorted how you are going to tune it yet?

morerevsm3
14-02-11, 05:56 PM
will be using my M3 wideband, and add boost/E85 until close enough, and being 323i, it has a normal distributor, so just retard a few degrees, son coming over for a weekend shortly, should see it close to finished

blownhemi
14-02-11, 07:15 PM
More pics?

morerevsm3
26-02-11, 05:50 PM
starting to take shape

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture017.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture016.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture013.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture015.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture012.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture014.jpg

morerevsm3
26-02-11, 08:58 PM
few more

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture018.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture019.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture020.jpg

son will be putting all the clamps on and hooking the electrics back up tomorrow, and welding the diff while I go and race in a hillclimb
just need a couple of 16mm hose tails for turbo drain hose (have about 2 metres of teflon braided hose laying around that I had given to me for RC pattern aircraft exhaust joiners years ago) and fit oil feed line, then take to mates for dump pipe.

Cameron_Datto
26-02-11, 09:36 PM
love the Silcon Implants :>)

Negative Ghostrider
27-02-11, 03:50 AM
starting to take shape

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture017.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture016.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture013.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture015.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture012.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture014.jpg

This stuff looks just like something I saw yeaterday. :rotflol:

old_geez
27-02-11, 08:50 AM
i think ths pic best defines the spirit of 13s for $1300

I need a photo of the engine bay, so I'll stand on the engine....
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture019.jpg

Nollsy
27-02-11, 09:47 PM
Good luck with it matey. One of my fav's for sure :D

morerevsm3
28-02-11, 07:46 PM
i think ths pic best defines the spirit of 13s for $1300

I need a photo of the engine bay, so I'll stand on the engine....
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture019.jpg

there are a lot of parts laying around here for my E30 race car that I could have "borrowed" and made life easier, but that doesn't sit well with the repeatable by anyone theme of the challenge, the only exception to that is I may put the locked diff out of the race car in it for the run rather than welding the diff up in this one. not much progress is going to happen in next few weeks, have to go interstate for work, then next weekend I have to get racecar ready for following weekend, it has stuffed rear wheel bearings etc, then race following weekend, then interstate for the week, then holidays, so should have it running and ready to scare Heathcote scrutineers then

morerevsm3
24-03-11, 06:08 PM
turbo oil drain plumbed up, need a different brass fitting for the oil feed, put on a brazzilion hose clamps and then it is ready to start up

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture027.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture028.jpg

RotorBoy
24-03-11, 06:19 PM
Love the home-made oil drain!

Good luck getting it going.

bpm
24-03-11, 08:39 PM
dont blow through the airflow meter, went through this years ago with my old m10, blew the shit out of it, then spent months gluing and screwing it back together every week till i wised up.

josh_tsv
24-03-11, 09:17 PM
What happened to the skyline turbo?

morerevsm3
24-03-11, 10:21 PM
What happened to the skyline turbo?

vet 180 bought it back

morerevsm3
30-03-11, 05:36 PM
going to need $100 worth of hose clamps the way it is going

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture029.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture031.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture030.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture032.jpg

Sketchy
30-03-11, 10:24 PM
Tapping a thread with the sump on? That's keen. I'm guessing swarf in the oil doesnt bother you much....

morerevsm3
30-03-11, 11:57 PM
correct, this motor only has to see the challenge out, then a 2.7 with 325i head and electrics goes in (with the turbo) note in last photo, oil filter can't be removed/replaced with manifold on, I have a 90* mount, but didn't want to add it to cost with this motor

*edit unless next challenge is lap time of race circuit, this should be most suitable if engine is still in one piece

blownhemi
31-03-11, 10:00 AM
I would have gone to the trouble of pulling the sump myself ;)

Negative Ghostrider
31-03-11, 11:45 PM
Tapping a thread with the sump on? That's keen. I'm guessing swarf in the oil doesnt bother you much....

Its only alloy swarf, and that's what the filter is for isn't it? And its alot better than the pine needles that would have got in if he took the sump off. Plus he would have to drain the oil then!

C0V3R
31-03-11, 11:57 PM
And would have had to spend money on a gasket and gasket goup!

thechuckster
01-04-11, 12:02 AM
bleeding edge ghetto style would have been welding/brazing the fitting onto the sump while it's still full of oil.

blownhemi
01-04-11, 10:18 AM
When I did the turbo conversion on my V6 VN I took the sump off in the dirt. Drilled the hole, welded the bung and dropped it back on with a squirt of silastic. Ghetto, but safe.

It might be just alloy swarf but the first place it hits is the oil pump and it will damage the pump rotors. The oil filter collects only so much. Once it becomes clogged the oil flow is reduced.

aaron_hogan
02-04-11, 10:18 AM
I would have at least covered the tap in grease to catch MOST of the swarf. Then drained the oil, filled the sump with DIESEL, drain again, re-fill with correct grade oil.

You can be ghetto and still do things properly.

MRMOPARMAN
02-04-11, 12:26 PM
meh, swarf that size wont get past te oil pickup screen anyways :)

Negative Ghostrider
09-04-11, 12:00 PM
It might be just alloy swarf but the first place it hits is the oil pump and it will damage the pump rotors. The oil filter collects only so much. Once it becomes clogged the oil flow is reduced.

Are you kidding! Alloy sump swarf can't damage a sintered metal oil pump impellor. It can only get stuck to it, and thus increase the tolerences, and thus improve efficiency and oil pressure. Also, pine needle sap is a proven viscosity enhancer oil aditive.:yup:

PnB

Jim
09-04-11, 12:07 PM
it can however score the alloy pump body, but IMHO the damage it will cause with that amount of debris is fuck all. I wouldn't worry either.

morerevsm3
18-04-11, 10:22 PM
it runs!

Tils
18-04-11, 10:31 PM
Vidorban

morerevsm3
18-04-11, 10:39 PM
will have to wait until friday, dark when I leave for work, and dark when I get home, still got some messing around with air flow meter to get it running better, then get dump pipe made up and tune good enough to run at heathcote

morerevsm3
19-04-11, 10:59 PM
took video with lead light providing hardly any light, but you get the idea...

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Tils
19-04-11, 11:18 PM
Sound fair good! Need to put the motor under some load to make that turbo work!! :p

Dogsballs
19-04-11, 11:40 PM
no dose, no care!

ALLMTR
19-04-11, 11:53 PM
Wahoo

morerevsm3
22-04-11, 05:17 PM
super shaky cam in the paddock

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elmx7d8Gj3M

Potsy
22-04-11, 05:23 PM
So hows the AFM take the boost ?

morerevsm3
22-04-11, 05:28 PM
it is in its normal position, seems fine up to around 7psi??

MRMOPARMAN
22-04-11, 05:45 PM
wonder if an afm off a 535/735 would fit on it (assuming its actually bigger, and they run the same efi system)

MRMOPARMAN
22-04-11, 05:47 PM
PS, 7psi is for fairys.

BMW motors are built for 60psi.. just ask an 70's F1 engineer. so i figure if your playing it safe, 35psi should be a reasonable target :D

morerevsm3
22-04-11, 05:59 PM
wonder if an afm off a 535/735 would fit on it (assuming its actually bigger, and they run the same efi system)

the one on it is a 535i one, but with the 323i electronics in it

ALLMTR
22-04-11, 06:23 PM
You're going to need about 12psi

morerevsm3
22-04-11, 08:23 PM
pretty sure wastegate has 12psi spring, but have a bleed valve just in case, could only see it hitting ~7 or 8 psi free revving

morerevsm3
23-04-11, 05:16 PM
got car almost finished today, took diff out of car, it is 3.45 ratio, so putting 3.91 diff out of race car would be cheating, have a 188mm welded hemisphere I could have bolted straight in, or welded up the one in it, but I had a 3.45 LSD sitting here, so put that in instead of changing diff again afterwards, fixed oil leak from rocker cover, found a couple of boost leaks from hoses under manifold not connected, fixed them, adjusted fuel mixture, runs heaps better, hit 12psi quickly in paddock and felt strong, loaded it up on trailer and took it to a mates place, we will make up exhaust out of S/H pipe on monday or tuesday and it is then ready to go, just a matter of a test and tune available that doesn't clash with racing

morerevsm3
28-04-11, 10:39 PM
ddouble ppost

morerevsm3
28-04-11, 10:40 PM
went for a test run on a paved surface tonight, goes quite well, can't see much being dark, but you can hear it (top of 3rd is ~91mph...)
2CuK9XzEGC0

Potsy
28-04-11, 10:52 PM
Sounds rather clean revving to me, must have got something right :)

GHaST
28-04-11, 10:53 PM
Sounds quick!

Dogsballs
28-04-11, 11:02 PM
sounds faster than 13.9 ;)

Potsy
28-04-11, 11:04 PM
Could even be faster than 12.9 @ 108.64mph

morerevsm3
28-04-11, 11:08 PM
feels quicker than M3...by a bit too

Potsy
28-04-11, 11:10 PM
So what are the running costs thus far ?

MRMOPARMAN
28-04-11, 11:10 PM
good stuff mate.

so when you taking this much further? (ie dragstrip)

nitrane
28-04-11, 11:13 PM
A challenger appears!

ALLMTR
28-04-11, 11:20 PM
12 second mark to 20 second mark to get to 91 mph?

morerevsm3
28-04-11, 11:28 PM
12 second mark to 20 second mark to get to 91 mph?
I made it ~11 second to 21 second mark

car is ready for when I can get to test and tune when I am not racing, I got a round of state hillclimb champs this weekend, Sandown 2 weeks after that, and doesn't seem to be a test and tune at Heathcote or Calder the weekend in between

morerevsm3
28-04-11, 11:29 PM
http://www.endtuning.com/gearratios.html <E30 323i
car has 195/65/14s on it, and changing at ~ 6200rpm

Cantilever Bridge
29-04-11, 09:07 AM
ljet may work out for you, my ljet setup had me running 10:1 WOT about 12.5:1 idle lol

Its me
29-04-11, 09:40 AM
The rugged go fast E30.
I love it.

morerevsm3
21-05-11, 08:56 PM
dyno tomorrow, bloke I race with is so intrigued by this project, he offered free dyno time, (last 2 times I have taken my E30 race car there he hasn't charged me either though)

morerevsm3
22-05-11, 06:32 PM
anyone got a spare E30 323i ignition igniter module laying around, spark is getting blown out on boost

Jim
22-05-11, 06:44 PM
good stuff! Subscribed :D

BigMuz
22-05-11, 08:56 PM
Yeah good stuff guys.

GHaST
22-05-11, 10:22 PM
is there is cheapo version of MSD?

I had heaps of issue with sparks til I went MSD.

ALLMTR
27-05-11, 10:35 PM
Did you cure the spark problem?

You have to get this to the track!

morerevsm3
27-05-11, 11:23 PM
will find out monday when I get back from Adelaide, mate sent another igniter, haven't tried it yet, but should be ok, will do a g tech run next week, so at least I have something, then try and get to a T&T at either heathcote or calder

morerevsm3
01-06-11, 10:09 PM
started tuning a little at 8psi today, still need to put some timing back in and lean it out a little, then turn it back up to 12psi

L-tmqS3143E

MRMOPARMAN
01-06-11, 10:40 PM
did that say 14.72 on the G-techometer?

Tils
01-06-11, 10:58 PM
147.2 mph... ?

morerevsm3
02-06-11, 12:03 AM
did that say 14.72 on the G-techometer?

yes, but just changing fuel mixture a little dropped it from 15.4, still a long way off on AFR, and timing, combined with bridgestone supercats, that acording to pist'n'broke, were smoking all the way through 2nd

Tils
02-06-11, 12:09 AM
I had supercats on the val in the 80's... might as well have nylon tyres LOL

morerevsm3
04-06-11, 06:51 PM
7QuO13a-P4U

morerevsm3
26-06-11, 03:09 AM
heathcote, here we come!

blownhemi
26-06-11, 09:56 AM
Good luck, sorry i couldn't be there as well. Looking forward to hearing the results - 13s or Bust!

blownhemi
26-06-11, 04:24 PM
Waiting for updates. :)

Track closes soon so it shouldn't be too long.

morerevsm3
26-06-11, 07:51 PM
well, it was an eventful couple of days, changed the headgasket yesterday, didn't end up o ringing the block due to lack of time, and lack of room to do rear cylinder, went for a test drive last night, car pulled like a 14 year old on boost, all good
set off from home at ~ 8.30am in pea soup fog for the nearly 3 hour trip to Heathcote after fitting the 15" wheels with the 235/65/15 Mickey Thompsons on, was relieved that they actually fitted, although a bit closer to the arch than I would like, every man and his dog must have been out for a sunday drive today, and were sitting between 60-70kph...
arrived at Heatcote, clear skies, not to hot or cold, and only about 12 cars there! unloaded car, filled out the form and went to scrutineering bay, no problems there (always a relief), drove straight to the start line and had first run, car laid over really bad in the top end, but still ran 14.2, so went back to the pits, richened it up on the air flow meter, and went for another run, even worse 60' than the first run, but car felt stronger, was a 14.1@96mph, back to the pits again, add more fuel, increase idle speed as it is starting to choke itself on low revs, go for another run, still only a 2.1 60', but ran better in the top end, and managed a 13.563@102.58mph, 13s accomplished, so was pretty pleased, added more fuel, but was getting very difficult to get off the line, but once on boost was much better, next few passes were all low 14s, except the run when a charge pipe blew off, that was a 20, but the mph was now between 104 and 107mph, just before lunch break, managed a pretty good launch, I saw 1.91 on 60' as I went past the timing board, pulled strong all the way through, I was thinking this could even be a high 12, pulled up to pick up time slip...some malfunction, no bloody slip, some German guy said he saw 107mph on that run, but not the ET, but no slip, no count anyway..
after lunch break, I removed the exhaust from the back of the dump pipe, as from dump back is bits and pieces of what was laying around welded together, and is mostly smaller than 2", lined up again in the now louder car, seemed to spool earlier, but felt very lean again, then at 3/4 track, steam and water exited the sides of the bonnet everywhere, I steered over to edge of track off the racing line, and rolled through the exit and half way back down the return road, opened the bonnet and had a look, radiator hose had blown off thermostat housing, sat there for 3/4 of an hour, then started it up (with hose pushed on as best I could) and returned to pits to fix it properly, once hose was properly refitted, started it up and started to pour water in slowly....but it came straight out of the exhaust, another blown headgasket, bugger

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture043.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture044.jpg

blownhemi
26-06-11, 08:02 PM
Good job dude, 13.5 is pretty damn good and you're the only 4cyl to have a crack so far.

Spewin' I couldn't get down there, sounds like I would have had more runs than I could handle.

peal
26-06-11, 08:08 PM
respect!

morerevsm3
26-06-11, 08:14 PM
Good job dude, 13.5 is pretty damn good and you're the only 4cyl to have a crack so far.

Spewin' I couldn't get down there, sounds like I would have had more runs than I could handle.

it is actually a 2.3L six cylinder

blownhemi
26-06-11, 08:17 PM
it is actually a 2.3L six cylinder

Is it? There you go, I know fuck all about BMW's :knock:

So it's six packs all round for 13s for $1300, unless someone surprises us in the last week.

morerevsm3
26-06-11, 08:28 PM
P.S. I went about $65 over budget.

we will now build the 2.7L motor, with less than 9.8:1 compression that the 2.3s have, get some 30Lb injectors (I think the 19Lb injectors maxing out is the cause of the problems with this) and change to 325i electronics, you can get off the shelf turbo tune chip for that, and take the bleed valve off so he can only run 8psi and it should be a good, fun daily

blownhemi
26-06-11, 08:55 PM
P.S. I went about $65 over budget.



http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=96305&d=1238774506


Only kidding :)

HoonBoy
26-06-11, 09:26 PM
Awesome job! Now we need some vids :)

Guido
26-06-11, 09:43 PM
Awesome stuff!

ALLMTR
26-06-11, 11:20 PM
Well done!

morerevsm3
29-06-11, 08:02 PM
14.2

:wayned:

Jim
29-06-11, 08:09 PM
Excellent! Well done! :D

SELfor50
29-06-11, 11:50 PM
Nice job mate. Solid effort.

BigMuz
29-06-11, 11:58 PM
Good stuff mate.

2JZR31
30-06-11, 08:01 AM
Congrats guys :)

Mr Ed
30-06-11, 10:53 AM
Awesome work, congrats! :D

farmsci
30-06-11, 11:33 AM
Thats a top effort! Great stuff!

morerevsm3
02-07-11, 07:15 PM
this is the headgasket that I changed day before Heathcote
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture053.jpg

now we are starting on the 2.7L build, will use 36Lb injectors and megasquirt to tune it, and some ARP head studs, as well as o-ring the block, all up, probably spend another $1300-$1500 should make a good daily and sleeper capable of mid 12s when done, going to need a bit of cleaning, and some rings and bearings...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture049.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture052.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture050.jpg

blownhemi
02-07-11, 07:33 PM
Cool, keep it coming.

SELfor50
03-07-11, 11:33 PM
Is it common for the bottom end of a 2.7l block to look like that??
Pulling mine apart in next week or 2 and wondering what I need to prepare myself for.

What are rings / bearings worth for these puppies?

morerevsm3
04-07-11, 08:15 AM
no, this one has been under a plastic tarp under a bit of iron outside with no head on it for about 4 years, had a bit of surface rust on the bores, mixed with crc it looks like that

blownhemi
06-07-11, 04:52 PM
What was your 1/2 track time on the head gasket pass? Was it quicker than the best pass?

Cantilever Bridge
13-11-11, 09:34 PM
did you stick with the 323i cooling system? where did you end up mounting the coolant tank?

morerevsm3
14-11-11, 07:43 PM
did you stick with the 323i cooling system? where did you end up mounting the coolant tank?
still 323i cooling system, found a header tank out of something else that sits on inner guard and out of the way, it is just sitting there though, will have to make a mount for it when 2.7 goes in

Cantilever Bridge
20-11-11, 10:45 PM
would you be able to take a pic/look for a part # so i could get myself one? :D cheers

morerevsm3
21-11-11, 07:37 PM
bought a megasquirt ecu with coilpacks and engine loom, 36lb injectors, tps etc the other day, and some ARP head studs

morerevsm3
01-12-11, 07:58 PM
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture073.jpg

mega squirt with harness and sensors, and ARP head stud kit arrived today
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture072.jpg

Cantilever Bridge
07-12-11, 12:16 PM
anyone got an idea on what car that comes from (coolant tank)?

morerevsm3
07-12-11, 07:27 PM
I think it was 112 or 116 merc

morerevsm3
25-12-11, 07:05 PM
a bit more progress

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture085.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture086.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture087.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture088.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/Picture089.jpg

morerevsm3
20-02-12, 10:25 PM
the econometer seems to be slightly different now...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/tims%20car/turbocluster.jpg

morerevsm3
21-02-12, 02:54 PM
better pic, and instructions-

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/E30%20stuff/econoboost.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/morerevsm3/E30%20stuff/econoboostinstructions.jpg

Tils
21-02-12, 03:16 PM
better?