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2JLUX
03-01-11, 11:10 PM
Hey guys.

After seeing the 13's for $1300 thread we (my two brothers and I) thought that we would give it a crack

So we went out and bought this.

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/frontofcar-1.jpg
http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/enginebaybefore.jpg
Full running and driving VN series 1 with ice cold air con.

Our first idea (and only real option) was to turbo it so we bought this turbo with munted front cover and leaky oil seal.
http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/gaylordturbofront-1.jpg
http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/gaylordturborear-1.jpg

So this weekend just past we thought that we shoudl get some shit done so we modded the standard manifold using sections of the stock exhaust to make these.http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/rightmanifold.jpg
http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/leftmanifold.jpg
And used some scrap 10mm plate for a T4 flange
http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/t4flange.jpg

So after all our work so far this is how it looks.
http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/turbomounted.jpg

so our tally thus far comes to

VN : $250
Used oilly turbo : $200
T4 flange made from scrap : $10
T4 gasket : $5
RB25 oil drain : $ 10
Studs and nuts for turbo : $10
Flange for tubine outlet : $10
Ebay gate : $123
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/MONSTA-50MM-WASTEGATE-1000HP-TURBO-HOLDEN-NISSAN-/350400677135?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item519582050f
Flex Joint for manifolds : $ 30

Alloy elbow for turbo : $10
4x wrecker injectors : $60
Fuel rail and fittings (rail was an offcut) : $20
Charge pipe material : $15
Silicon reducer for throttle body : $10
25mm alloy bar stock : $20
2x pressure switches : $88
Oil feed line and "T" piece : $50
Dry ice : $20

Injector plugs and terminals : $15
Jap cat back : $30
second hand S15 fuel pump : $20
Shorter fan belt for no aircon : $30
Diff oil : $15

Replacement motor : $100
Overhaulled radiator : $30

Converter : $100

That comes to a total of $1281.

VE Safari
03-01-11, 11:17 PM
Looks pretty tidy for a $250 base car!

Ben.
04-01-11, 12:11 AM
X2

going to be watching this one VERY closely :D

Jim
04-01-11, 04:44 AM
Damn! You mean I'm not original by doing up a VN? Fuck!! :lol:
Good stuff! Welcome to PF. Looks like you're on the right track with it.

ChrisS
04-01-11, 05:31 AM
Wow you don't stuff around, nice job!

evil_weevil
04-01-11, 08:53 AM
Aweosme job!!!

Rorz de Puniet
04-01-11, 09:47 AM
Wow, that looks like quite a contender.

ALLMTR
04-01-11, 09:54 AM
ECU? Why did you add a flex joint?

Jim
04-01-11, 09:55 AM
I would guess and say the flex joint was already attached to the recycled pipework :lol:

Captain_Slow
04-01-11, 10:01 AM
Needs a Chev badge for that grille.

Asteroid
04-01-11, 10:13 AM
Nice job!

VE Safari
04-01-11, 10:20 AM
Needs a Chev badge for that grille.

Buick badge!

Jim
04-01-11, 10:28 AM
Opel badge!

Asteroid
04-01-11, 10:34 AM
This. ^

ALLMTR
04-01-11, 11:13 AM
I would guess and say the flex joint was already attached to the recycled pipework :lol:
He has allocated 30 bucks to it . . .

briney
04-01-11, 11:34 AM
can you make a cheap boost pressurised methanol spray for the turbo inlet ? with enough methanol, you won't have to worry about an intercooler, extra injectors or the amount of stock timing.

TJ
04-01-11, 11:40 AM
Hehehe @ name - that was the exact nickname we had for my vn back in the day...

Should piss in a 13.

Ecu - arnt the stock ones writeable?

TJ
04-01-11, 11:41 AM
And surely the flex joint is because the v6 tends to be a little rough and vibrate a ton?

Sketchy
04-01-11, 11:46 AM
Hehehe @ name - that was the exact nickname we had for my vn back in the day...



You owned a VN and are actually admitting to it?

GTFO.


Nice work with the car boys, will be very interested to see how this pans out (or goes bang in a big way) :)

Asteroid
04-01-11, 11:46 AM
The flex joint appears to be between the banks, which seems a little odd. Also the ecu is only writeable by tuned rom or aftermarket board.

2JLUX
04-01-11, 11:48 AM
I put the flex join in to give the manifolds a chance from cracking.

ECU wise, just going to keep adding injectors until it is fat enough and hopefully drown it from detonation, fingers crossed.

The one thing I am worried about is the head gaskets, but we'll just have to see how it goes

crack
04-01-11, 11:53 AM
flex joint is not uncommon between banks to absorb minor misalignment during fabrication and also to absorb possible differences in heat related expansion between the banks

awesome build by the way!

TJ
04-01-11, 11:56 AM
You owned a VN and are actually admitting to it?

GTFO.


Nice work with the car boys, will be very interested to see how this pans out (or goes bang in a big way) :)

Haha it was pretty good for a 20 year old - until I broke the cam in 3 places... the second motor put a rod out the block at ~220 (if it wasnt the fact it was my car in the middle of nowhere at 2am it would have been fucking cool.. rattle, oil light, BOOM, flames shooting out the side) .. the third motor was pretty damn good...

I still have the car sitting in the yard, motors only got 10 000km on it before it smashed the box and I finally wised up and bought a skyline. Fark now I think about it, its been sitting there for nearly 7 years.


I put the flex join in to give the manifolds a chance from cracking.

ECU wise, just going to keep adding injectors until it is fat enough and hopefully drown it from detonation, fingers crossed.

The one thing I am worried about is the head gaskets, but we'll just have to see how it goes

If it goes bang Id be willing to sell my vn wreck pretty damn cheap - the motor is still damn good.

ALLMTR
05-01-11, 11:41 AM
I think the standard manifold is going to struggle supporting the weight

Supercrown
05-01-11, 03:59 PM
Now this is the sort of new member we actually like turning up.

Good stuff.

ZENNON
05-01-11, 04:05 PM
Now this is the sort of new member we actually like turning up.
Agreed - and yeah tidy bargain base car - good luck

2JLUX
05-01-11, 04:18 PM
I think the standard manifold is going to struggle supporting the weight

Probably wont.:rotflol:

[TUFFVQ]
05-01-11, 08:53 PM
Get someone from street comm or just comm forums to write you a chip for this. Cost you fifty bucks and it'll run sweetly with out bodged injectors and what not. Maybe add a brace to the manifolds back to the head for extra support.

2JLUX
05-01-11, 10:05 PM
Ok time for some progress updates.

We finished making the intake pipe with the extra injectors and pressure switches, fitted the oil line to the turbo and the interior stripped out.

The turbo oil feed line was teed off the oil pressure switch near the oil filter and run to the turbo.
http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/enginebayday4.jpg


The intake pipe we got in pieces from a second hand R33 GTST intercooler kit. the injector bosses and pressure switch take offs we made from alloy bar stock.
http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/chargepipewithinjectors.jpg

We stripped out all the interior. It is so much easier removing the interior when you just dont give a shit:yup: We used a bag of dry ice to remove the sound deadening to get some weight out of this bitch. I had heard of people doing the dry ice trick before but never actually done it myself. It worked a real treat. Just leave it sit for a little while and smash it with a hammer. We also took to the doors with the grinder. Nice and light now haha
http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/strippedinterior.jpg

We will update the first post with a updated running total.

Hope you enjoy.

ALLMTR
05-01-11, 10:31 PM
Fucking awesome. Kickin ass!!!

Ben.
05-01-11, 11:53 PM
you payed too much for the switches and injectors :p are you going to run straight meth through the injection setup you got there? i plan on doing something similar on my soarer, interested to see how it pans out

also. are you going to do anything about the auto? looks like you may be making some decent power here, it may become an issue...

i'll put my vote in early and say i think this will be the fastest car in the comp.

Gavatron
06-01-11, 12:54 AM
That's fucking excellent. You cunts definitely aren't mucking around.

OKE020
06-01-11, 05:37 AM
13s for $1300 in 13 days! good progress, had the exact idea for fuel enrichment except was going to use methanol.

Not sure if you know but there is a pipe under the throttle body that runs to the crank case with no valve in it, you need to disconnect it or when you start adding some positive pressure you end up blowing the rocker cover gaskets out.

Jim
06-01-11, 05:43 AM
There's a bit of weight in those intrusion bars huh!
The doors come up nice and light with all that shit gone.

HoonBoy
06-01-11, 07:14 AM
Damn, another commodore making progress! Looks like I better do something with mine this weekend.

evil_weevil
06-01-11, 07:30 AM
My money is this doing 12's !

Tils
06-01-11, 06:59 PM
You got me worried now :O

fat910
06-01-11, 08:03 PM
Fucking sweet, should piss in a 13

2JZR31
06-01-11, 08:47 PM
Now this is the sort of new member we actually like turning up.

Good stuff.

Yup. Plus he appears to own a 2JZ powered HiLux.

Nice work mate. This is the sort of thing I wanted to see built with 13 for 13.

2JLUX
09-01-11, 03:46 PM
Alright, time for an update.

Got a fair bit done in the last few days.

We stripped out some more of the interior and found the original factory build sheet from the 22nd of Feb 1990.

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/buildsheet.jpg

Many people have said that the car was too good to turn into a bunky drag car but at the end of the day its still a VN haha.

We took the dash out and removed the heater box and all the non essential garbage that Holden hid under there. It took a fair bit of effort to get the aircon unit out when you forget the bolt in the plenum hahaha

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/gutteddash.jpg

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/strippedoutboot.jpg

We trimmed up the rear bumper to stop the bottom lip acting like a parachute, for when it traps 140:)

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/trimmedrearbar1.jpg

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/trimmedrearbar.jpg

We then looked into the drivetrain and the lack of LSD was unacceptable. Seeing as single wheel skids are only for kids on a BMX, with the MIG turned to full blast the diff was promptly locked.

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/weldeddiff.jpg

We finished the dump pipe off the turbo. We used an old jap cat back exhaust which also gave us the muffler we need for it to be run at a street meet.

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/exhaust.jpg

We finished the wiring for the injectors and some general neatening up under the bonnet.

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/enginebayfinished.jpg

Just a few little things to do now and we should be ready to rumble.

MRMOPARMAN
09-01-11, 04:23 PM
jeez you dont muck about.. nice work!

ALLMTR
09-01-11, 04:40 PM
Good work!

What is the quality like on the wastegate?

2JLUX
09-01-11, 04:45 PM
Not too bad, the shaft on the valve needed cleaning up but other than that worked OK on my other car.

morerevsm3
09-01-11, 06:05 PM
I see this being the front runner currently, awesome work

cdawg
09-01-11, 06:08 PM
I see this being the front runner currently, awesome work

I agree!

Do you have a figure on how much this has cost you all up?

12's???????

WRXCunt
09-01-11, 07:04 PM
12's???????

Assuming he can get traction

Dogsballs
09-01-11, 07:25 PM
;840962783']Get someone from street comm or just comm forums to write you a chip for this. Cost you fifty bucks and it'll run sweetly with out bodged injectors and what not.
PM me, i know a guy from SC that could do this for very little!

Dogsballs
09-01-11, 07:31 PM
yeah, may need some rubber and some gears.

man you even have plenty of time to try revalving the shocks to 90/10's, swap out the glass for lexcen.

you can also take the plastic section off the boot lid.

morerevsm3
09-01-11, 07:31 PM
unfortunately, I can't go to these extremes lightening our build, as it is my sons daily driver

ALLMTR
09-01-11, 07:32 PM
Im pencilling this in for 12s too

2JLUX
09-01-11, 07:49 PM
Im on the trail of a set of second hand drag radials but I can't be fucked changing diff gears i'll just screw more boost in to it to make up for it.

Dogsballs
09-01-11, 08:14 PM
haha.

too expensive??
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270688345043&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

i posted a pair of 215/65/15 for $260 buy it now in the parts thread.

Asteroid
09-01-11, 08:14 PM
Love the trimming of the bumper cover. :D You're doing the Perth boys proud.

Ben.
09-01-11, 10:15 PM
if budget allows, 2nd fuel pump + some sort of tank, and run meth through those extra injectors?? for both cooling and then the motor should give no fuck for how much timing you throw at it (to a degree) *no pun intended*

[TUFFVQ]
11-01-11, 12:22 PM
3.08 gears would be better for loading the motor up for the boost, i think your main driveline issue will be the auto. Hooking up a few times will most likely lunch the 3-4 clutch pack, or slip the 2nd gear band pretty hard.

You can make them live for a bit longer with a few cheap-ish parts though, just a lost of mucking around...

80DGY
11-01-11, 12:26 PM
I was going to suggest a transgo kit? pretty cheap IIRC?

HoonBoy
11-01-11, 12:30 PM
Cheap commo gearbox bits sound good. I know it's the weak point in the car

vet 180
11-01-11, 01:10 PM
great build! this is what 13's for $1300 should be about

2JLUX
11-01-11, 01:27 PM
My mate is a Turbo 700 guru, might ask him what I can do cheap

tim510
11-01-11, 02:46 PM
impressive. looks legit too for the money..

how are you going to duty-cylce the injectors?

2JLUX
11-01-11, 03:04 PM
Duty cycle?
on or off

tim510
11-01-11, 03:40 PM
your just going to hold them open at a specific pressure?

Jim
11-01-11, 03:54 PM
Just found Holmart sell modified memcals. Thought of you when I saw them. About $185 tho.

[TUFFVQ]
11-01-11, 03:55 PM
Corvette 2nd gear servo you can pick for 40 bucks, you can get .500" boost valves for around the same money, A transgo stage 2 kit are around $200 so might blow the budget, B&M make a less comprehensive 'shift improver' kit for about 90 bucks. If doing a shift kit, grab the stronger accumulator pistons, especially the 3-4 accumulator.

BigMuz
11-01-11, 07:24 PM
it is my sons daily driver

Yeah I think you told us that a few times already bud :D

2JLUX
11-01-11, 07:45 PM
your just going to hold them open at a specific pressure?

yeah the pressure switches are adjustable so I will just stage them

2JLUX
11-01-11, 07:46 PM
Yeah I think you told us that a few times already bud :D


:dunno:

RotorBoy
11-01-11, 10:39 PM
yeah the pressure switches are adjustable so I will just stage them

The ea is getting the same treatment. Maybe you can pulse the injectors with the tacho signal?

tim510
12-01-11, 08:17 AM
$20 timing lights switching the injector instead of a bulb?

Jim
12-01-11, 08:30 AM
Why pulse it at all?

2JZR31
12-01-11, 10:53 AM
Why pulse it at all?

Yeah. No need to get too technical. :)

Ben.
12-01-11, 03:02 PM
bingo, keep in mind, as rpm's increase the standard fuel injectors will increase the normal fuel input, so adding these injectors will only richen it up by a fixed amount, the whole way through the rev range (in case you were under the impression it will go rich then lean out as rpm's go up) *directed at guys who asked about pulsing*

Jim
12-01-11, 03:23 PM
If anything I would consider staging the extra injectors rather than pulsing them, but really they only need to operate at WOT.

RotorBoy
12-01-11, 03:23 PM
I thought pulsing the injector would help eliminate any possible flat-spot that will happen at the time of activation... what size are the extra injectors?

2JLUX
12-01-11, 04:22 PM
At the moment the extra injectors are 440cc and i think your right, its going to drown it with fuel.
The guy i got the injectors off said I can swap them for smaller ones ( he had a bucket full of them).
I am going to stage them though.

Ben.
12-01-11, 04:36 PM
better drowing it with fuel, it will cough and splutter through it (only once for a full run) better than a mass lean spot... that said do you have access to any sort of wideband for testing?

2JLUX
12-01-11, 06:36 PM
Yeah Motec PLM

Jim
12-01-11, 07:05 PM
Shouldn't be too hard to get a smooth delivery without flooding crap out of it. Set it so the injector closest to the TB comes online at 4psi, second injector at 6, 3rd at 8 and so on. Should be smooth and not flood it at WOT. if it is too rich, you can either not run one of them, or give it more boost.

2JLUX
12-01-11, 07:56 PM
more boost will be the road taken

Dogsballs
12-01-11, 08:04 PM
rofl!! fair enough with spare engines at $20 a pop.

HoonBoy
12-01-11, 08:14 PM
I feel ripped off, I paid $27.90 for the new engine!

Dogsballs
12-01-11, 08:40 PM
i'm sure thats the 400hp race version.

Ben.
12-01-11, 09:25 PM
Shouldn't be too hard to get a smooth delivery without flooding crap out of it. Set it so the injector closest to the TB comes online at 4psi, second injector at 6, 3rd at 8 and so on. Should be smooth and not flood it at WOT. if it is too rich, you can either not run one of them, or give it more boost.

he only has two switches...

WRXCunt
12-01-11, 10:05 PM
Just read this again and realised your in perth, If you need a hand with standing around drinking beer PM me, would love to see this beast haha.

Skippy
13-01-11, 12:19 AM
also do a write up on your 2jz hilux.

fritzz
13-01-11, 07:59 PM
cool project!! ive got a sard 1.7:1 reg if u need it

ALLMTR
21-01-11, 09:08 PM
13.4

millsi
22-01-11, 05:15 AM
also do a write up on your 2jz hilux.

this^

ALLMTR
27-01-11, 08:07 PM
Any updates?

2JLUX
27-01-11, 11:04 PM
Nothing at the moment, been busy.
Maybe get back on it next week.

blownhemi
13-02-11, 05:55 PM
Only just saw this. Looks alot like my old car. Looking forward to seeing is run.

2JLUX
14-02-11, 11:52 PM
Alright guys and girls, Its been a while so i thought i would let you know whats been going on.

During a bit of testing on a private test track (wink) we had a few issues. After the motor overheated multiple times it started to choof like a train out the left hand rocker cover.

The result: One blown head gasket.

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/whenvnheadgasketsgobad.jpg

So after believing that we had melted a piston it was time to visit the local wrecker for a new donk. A hundred dollars later we were back on track.

The radiator was sent off for a check-up. We were informed that the reason the motor got cooked was because the radiator was 100% blocked. its was cleaned and given a lick of paint. 30 bucks. Bargain

We soon realised that the motor wouldn't fit itself so we got throwing spanners and ripped the deceased donk out.

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/mototout.jpg

Once we switched over a couple of bits from one motor to the other it was time for a refit.

In a matter of minutes it went from

STOCK MOTOR

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/stockmotor.jpg

TO

DRAG MOTOR

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/dragmotor.jpg

So with a fresh motor installed we will do a bit of final testing with the wideband tomorrow and fingers crossed we should hit the track this Wednesday.

We have borrowed a set of drag radials for the big day.

As always the first post will be updated with the latest build tally.

lysdexia
15-02-11, 11:32 AM
that stock motor wasn't stock, it has an ATI balancer!!

2JLUX
16-02-11, 11:36 PM
BAM
http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/timeslip.jpg

Alright Guys and Gals. First (and only) pass 13.953 @ 99.88mph

The car went though scruteneering no trouble. The dude was pretty blown away with our setup. The car went out with a tiny burnout so we didnt break an axle first time out. We left the car in D for drag and stalled it up to about 1200rpm before letting it go.

That was unfortunately the only pass we made as the car developed a oil leak out of the dip stick and the christmas tree overlord deemed the car unsafe for racing. Have no fear as the car will return next weeking with all the leaks repaired and a more gung-ho driving style with hopes to slash the times dramatically.

Here are some photos for proof.

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/dragsfront.jpg

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/dragrear.jpg

The car looked relatively tough with the fat radials on.

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/scales.jpg

We were happy with the diet the car went through and it didn't cost a thing.

1310kg to 1199kg (with 3/4 tank of BP's finest).

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/startingline.jpg

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/endofstrip.jpg

Video to be uploaded shortly. Plus we got the win against the BA Falcon.

13.95 = Mission accomplished.

Tils
17-02-11, 12:10 AM
Good work mate! Top of the class ATM!

dirty_sandwich
17-02-11, 12:39 AM
BAM! indeed. Where is the oil leak from? Is the dipstick loose or cracked?

Tils
17-02-11, 12:41 AM
Pressurised sump, major blowby. Needs to make a catch can...

Jim
17-02-11, 04:21 AM
Excellent :D
Top work guys!
Who owns the scales? Or were they at the track?

millsi
17-02-11, 05:12 AM
awesome work!!!

blownhemi
17-02-11, 06:54 AM
Excellent :D
Top work guys!
Who owns the scales? Or were they at the track?

Looks like track scales. I presume that's without driver. Not a bad weight reduction though.

Awesome times guys, first in the 13's! Got to be happy with that. Nice pictures too. That's what we'll need for the magazine article. :)

So how much boost was it running? and I presume you left it in third gear, not fourth.

From experience a good way to launch one of these is to hold the footbrake (pump pedal a couple times) and handbrake at the same time while boosting it up, then release both at the same time.

Like this
nm9CkXdihgM

Also, disconnecting the thermofans just prior to the run (you can either use the connector next to the fans or rig up a switch) will gain you about 2-tenths. I shit you not. I used to do this all the time and then reconnect it on the return road.

Well done.:worship:

2rismo
17-02-11, 07:13 AM
^^^^

Fuck they were the days, Scott.

2JZR31
17-02-11, 07:22 AM
Congrats. This has been my favorite car in the challenge so far. You guys deserve the the first 13 :)

Also I was talking to a commodore nerd last night who said there is some kind of not so easy to spot PCV pipes or something which you need to change when you boost one of these or you will pressurize the sump. Do you guys know what he is talking about? If not this might explain your oil leak.

blownhemi
17-02-11, 07:25 AM
^^^^

Fuck they were the days, Scott.

Yep, sure were. That's my only regret about leaving Sydney - there's no race track down here.

So many cool/funny moments.

One of the best was when some guy in a R33 Skyline (no it wasn't Adrian) asked me to swap positions with the guy behind me, "because it wouldn't be fair to race a VN V6 up against a turbocharged Skyline". He thought I'd get embarrassed by the awesome power of the Skyline. I elected to hold my position and let's just say the VN wasn't the one that was embarrassed at the other end of the track.

Supercrown
17-02-11, 09:11 AM
Well done mate.

If only we had a track here in Adelaide, I’m sure the Adelaide crew would be all over this challenge.

Of course someone from SA could still participate, however considering that a trip to Heathcote from here – towing the challenge car – would probably be close to $1000 alone (fuel, food accommodation, trailer), it doesn’t make much sense! Especially considering that most 13’s for $1300 cars will probably need 2+ trips to the track before they reach full potential.

Get that catch can on there ASAP! (and I expect it to be a combination of garden hose and a big milo tin at best – anything more is just not in the spirit of the challenge)

[TUFFVQ]
17-02-11, 09:21 AM
Top work! :)

While you may have already been told/already done it, the PCV pipe that runs from the throttle body (towards the front of the car) to the inlet manifold below it needs to be disconnected. Simply put a breather filter on the manifold side and put one of those block off bungs on the throttle body :)

blownhemi
17-02-11, 10:00 AM
;841016495']Top work! :)

While you may have already been told/already done it, the PCV pipe that runs from the throttle body (towards the front of the car) to the inlet manifold below it needs to be disconnected. Simply put a breather filter on the manifold side and put one of those block off bungs on the throttle body :)

Exactly what I did with V6 Vengeance.

blownhemi
17-02-11, 10:02 AM
Well done mate.

If only we had a track here in Adelaide, I’m sure the Adelaide crew would be all over this challenge.

Of course someone from SA could still participate, however considering that a trip to Heathcote from here – towing the challenge car – would probably be close to $1000 alone (fuel, food accommodation, trailer), it doesn’t make much sense! Especially considering that most 13’s for $1300 cars will probably need 2+ trips to the track before they reach full potential.

Get that catch can on there ASAP! (and I expect it to be a combination of garden hose and a big milo tin at best – anything more is just not in the spirit of the challenge)

Yeah the towing would cost a bit, but at least that's not part of the $1300 cost. It's shit that you guys don't have a track.

ALLMTR
17-02-11, 10:10 PM
Fuck, I missed this.

Awesome, well done!

OKE020
18-02-11, 05:12 AM
Hell yes, on the money first pass! congrats

DrNick
18-02-11, 05:56 AM
Well done!! Tops work.

S

tut
18-02-11, 06:07 AM
Congrats!!!!! it's a close one, but it's there, so who cares? cheers! i'll drink to that!

2JLUX
18-02-11, 06:56 PM
Thanks for all the positive feeback.

We're going to try and get back to the drags next week if we get the oil leak fixed in time.

It was a very weak launch, no stall at all, will be a lot more aggressive next time.

It was running 9psi and 10:1 afr's.The boost is going to get wound up to lean it out a bit.

So hopefully mid to low 13s next time

oscar32
20-02-11, 11:16 AM
Awesome, awesome work guys. I've always liked a boosted 3.8, and this thing made me laugh. If I ever catch up with you I'm def shouting a beer.

lysdexia
22-02-11, 12:46 PM
awesome result!

TJ
22-02-11, 04:34 PM
WA pride!

2JLUX
24-02-11, 08:09 AM
BOOM

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/1359slip.jpg

Another shot at the strip netted us a much better result. With a kung-fu grip on the handbrake and both pedals mashed to the floor we got a much better launch this time around.

We ended up getting a couple of passes around the 13.60 , so the car is mighty consistent.

We will have to put some of the interior back in for next time as one of the new scrutineer's went on a power trip about it being a "street meet" so the car should have all the standard trip in place. We raced the car last week in the same state with no trouble what so ever.

Hopefully during the week we can up the boost a bit and give it a couple more runs next week.

Stay tuned sports fans.

KanaL
24-02-11, 08:13 AM
fucking sweet!

Jim
24-02-11, 08:15 AM
Excellent work!!

Mighty Mouse
24-02-11, 08:32 AM
with it now being fairly consistent (great work BTW) will be interesting to see how much of a real world difference there is w/stripped out interior vs full interior.

blownhemi
24-02-11, 08:33 AM
BOOM

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/1359slip.jpg

Another shot at the strip netted us a much better result. With a kung-fu grip on the handbrake and both pedals mashed to the floor we got a much better launch this time around.

We ended up getting a couple of passes around the 13.60 , so the car is mighty consistent.

We will have to put some of the interior back in for next time as one of the new scrutineer's went on a power trip about it being a "street meet" so the car should have all the standard trip in place. We raced the car last week in the same state with no trouble what so ever.

Hopefully during the week we can up the boost a bit and give it a couple more runs next week.

Stay tuned sports fans.


Nice pass, but tell the scrutineer to eat a bag of dicks, it's a fucking race track!

Is the car even registered?

I told you that handbrake trick works well. :)

2JZR31
24-02-11, 09:20 AM
Nice work guys. Thats bullshit re the "street meet". What the fuck does it matter? Just tell them about the 13 for 1300 thing. Why are they enforcing this? Its not like you are there to competitively race other cars in the street meet. You are there to race against the clock.

blownhemi
24-02-11, 09:44 AM
Back when I was regularly racing at Eastern Creek and then WSID it wasn't unusual to street registered cars with stripped out interiors.

Was he having a rant? Or was it suggested you don't come back with an interior?

[TUFFVQ]
24-02-11, 10:28 AM
Very nice :)

If you could somehow get that 60ft down to something more reasonable, you'd smash very low 13's :) Could head towards 12's for $1300

blownhemi
24-02-11, 10:41 AM
;841024620']Very nice :)

If you could somehow get that 60ft down to something more reasonable, you'd smash very low 13's :) Could head towards 12's for $1300


Agreed, but that's the issue with racing a car like this with a stock converter, and one of the reasons I elected to go nitrous. Something like this is always going to be shy coming out of the hole.

Even with my VN running a 3000rpm converter, it still wasn't really quick off the line.

RotorBoy
25-02-11, 11:11 AM
Good Work!

This has pushed me and my mate to get the dump pipe finished on the EA this weekend.

What pressure(s) do you have the extra injectors comming on at?

2JLUX
25-02-11, 03:12 PM
1 injector comes on at 3 psi and the other 2 come on at 7-8 psi.

Yeah the "street meet" rule is utter bullshit and I'm not putting the trim back in they can just suck it up.

Sketchy
25-02-11, 04:35 PM
I hope this gives all the other contenders a fair kick up the arse. Hurry up you lot, time is running out and only two cars have made the grade so far. Wont be much of a Street Machine article if no cunt turns up for the comp.

blownhemi
28-02-11, 05:12 PM
I hope this gives all the other contenders a fair kick up the arse. Hurry up you lot, time is running out and only two cars have made the grade so far. Wont be much of a Street Machine article if no cunt turns up for the comp.

Yep, very short. :)

blownhemi
18-04-11, 05:06 PM
So are you guys heading out again with this? You've been kinda quiet of late.

ALLMTR
01-05-11, 08:45 PM
^ What he said

2JLUX
02-05-11, 10:59 PM
Sorry for being a bit absent on here of late but we have been busy with a couple of other projects. We still, however, been on the lookout for either diff gears or a converter for the VN. After seeing the Red Steak and the Bluebirds 60 foot times we came to the conclusion that we need a better launch to get the most out of our current combo.

After a bit of searching and forum trauling we finally found a converter which had been opened up. The guy said that it was opened to "maybe 3000rpm". For $100 bucks we really couldn't resist.

After we wiped off the cob-webs and wire brushed off all the corrosion,(it must have been outside for atleast a decade) it was out with the old and in with the new.

With the auto trans oil cleaned up and the gearbox buttoned up it was time for a "road" test. With the foot brake mashed to the floor and the handbrake handle damn near vertical we punched the gas and waited for the results.

With a bit of a rev and a whirl the boost gauge needle swept around to about 0.7 bar before the tyres started to spin:). Unfortunately we bought the pov-pack VN without a tacho, so we still dont actually know what the converter has been opened up to.

So its off to the drags on Wednesday to see if we can better our previous times. Not that we want the wooden dick or anything.

ALLMTR
02-05-11, 11:01 PM
Coolio

Rona
02-05-11, 11:20 PM
Nice fingers crossed for a high 12 haha. Fuck the nazi scrutineers picking on stripped interiors.

Jim
03-05-11, 06:59 AM
Awesome stuff! Good luck guys

BigMuz
03-05-11, 09:51 AM
Good work guys.

blownhemi
03-05-11, 09:57 AM
Sorry for being a bit absent on here of late but we have been busy with a couple of other projects. We still, however, been on the lookout for either diff gears or a converter for the VN. After seeing the Red Steak and the Bluebirds 60 foot times we came to the conclusion that we need a better launch to get the most out of our current combo.

After a bit of searching and forum trauling we finally found a converter which had been opened up. The guy said that it was opened to "maybe 3000rpm". For $100 bucks we really couldn't resist.

After we wiped off the cob-webs and wire brushed off all the corrosion,(it must have been outside for atleast a decade) it was out with the old and in with the new.

With the auto trans oil cleaned up and the gearbox buttoned up it was time for a "road" test. With the foot brake mashed to the floor and the handbrake handle damn near vertical we punched the gas and waited for the results.

With a bit of a rev and a whirl the boost gauge needle swept around to about 0.7 bar before the tyres started to spin:). Unfortunately we bought the pov-pack VN without a tacho, so we still dont actually know what the converter has been opened up to.

So its off to the drags on Wednesday to see if we can better our previous times. Not that we want the wooden dick or anything.


This is one of the reasons I didn't go turbo. I knew there was no money in the budget for a converter and they are pretty much mandatory with a home-built turbo set up.
If you've got the dollars you can buy a turbo to suit just about any set-up that'll have minimal lag, but with a budget set-up you're limited to turbos that will make power, but generally not come on until 3500rpm or so. Perfect turbo would have been a GT35/40R from an xr6 turbo but that would have used most of the budget.

So I went gas instead because there's no lag with gas. As long as the tyres can hold it you're going to get off the line quick.

My advice would be to try and find a cheap tacho as well. Not only to find the right launch rpm, but also to get the shift points right because they're critical to a good ET. There's a wire (I think it's brown from memory) on the passenger side of the engine bay near the strut tower where you can get your RPM signal.

[TUFFVQ]
03-05-11, 10:21 AM
There's a wire (I think it's brown from memory) on the passenger side of the engine bay near the strut tower where you can get your RPM signal.

Correct. It has a small white connector on it that is taped to the loom, easy to find.

Dogsballs
03-05-11, 12:02 PM
yep, thats correct.

2JLUX
05-05-11, 10:14 PM
Well it was a cool Wednesday night in Perth. My brothers and I rocked up to the Motorplex with the VN ready to race. We got it over to scrutineering. It passed with flying colours, even without the door trims that they picked us for last time.

It was then over to the staging lanes to wait our turn. In a matter of minutes we were up. Without a moments hesitation the car was in the burnout box heating the aged and weary ET Radials. With the radials hot and the handbrake cables near breaking point the gas was mashed and the boost gauge needle hit the magical 0.7bar mark.

The brakes were released and with an incredible amount of body twist we were off. The results are as follows.

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/13flatslip.jpg

All three of us had a number of attempts to crack into the magical 12.999 zone but no such luck. 13.1 after 13.2 after 13.1 time after time. We managed about 15 runs all up.

For the $1281 we have spent, we couldn't have asked for a more smile inducing shit box. The torque twist and acceleration experienced when you let the thing loose off the start line with 10 odd psi under its belt is hilarious.

Our car was so impressive we even made the Motorplex website

http://www.motorplex.com.au/gallery.php?mode=gall&gid=209#

Well lads. The balls in your court. Good luck and God speed.

blownhemi
05-05-11, 10:33 PM
Well it was a cool Wednesday night in Perth. My brothers and I rocked up to the Motorplex with the VN ready to race. We got it over to scrutineering. It passed with flying colours, even without the door trims that they picked us for last time.

It was then over to the staging lanes to wait our turn. In a matter of minutes we were up. Without a moments hesitation the car was in the burnout box heating the aged and weary ET Radials. With the radials hot and the handbrake cables near breaking point the gas was mashed and the boost gauge needle hit the magical 0.7bar mark.

The brakes were released and with an incredible amount of body twist we were off. The results are as follows.


All three of us had a number of attempts to crack into the magical 12.999 zone but no such luck. 13.1 after 13.2 after 13.1 time after time. We managed about 15 runs all up.

For the $1281 we have spent, we couldn't have asked for a more smile inducing shit box. The torque twist and acceleration experienced when you let the thing loose off the start line with 10 odd psi under its belt is hilarious.

Our car was so impressive we even made the Motorplex website

http://www.motorplex.com.au/gallery.php?mode=gall&gid=209#

Well lads. The balls in your court. Good luck and God speed.

13.002 at 103.9mph! Awesome work guys, you've smashed me. :knock:

Have you got any video, not that I doubt you or anything, I just want to see it blast down the quarter. Amazing how much difference a bit of hi-stall makes. :)
By the way, that half track time indicates a possible 12.8 if you get your shit together. Of course it's all in the shift points.

Again, well done guys.

Now it looks like the race is on to be the first into the 12s for $1300. :yup:


The VN of Fury looks pretty good too.

http://www.motorplex.com.au/files/grabdoc.php?type=img&id=14426

ALLMTR
05-05-11, 10:39 PM
Well done guys!!!

Should have ditched the passenger seat ftw.

SausageFingers
05-05-11, 10:41 PM
http://thelaughingmarcus.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/so-much-win.jpg

Dogsballs
05-05-11, 10:42 PM
awesome!! top work!!

2JLUX
05-05-11, 10:54 PM
Should have ditched the passenger seat ftw.

My brother said, and I quote,

"Grab the tools to take the passenger seat out at the track".

To which I replied "Will it really make that much difference?"

I then proceeded not to get the required tools.

I should never doubt my brother.

ALLMTR
05-05-11, 10:58 PM
I can guarantee it would have been worth > 3 thousandths :)

INFLYT
05-05-11, 11:12 PM
Fucking amazing. Well done!

peal
06-05-11, 12:47 AM
There is a 12 for sure, wind more boost in, take out the seat or do a big shit.

Well done fellas!!!

lysdexia
06-05-11, 01:53 AM
fuck yeah, good work guys!

tut
06-05-11, 01:56 AM
awesome result guys!!!

13.00 for 1300

Jim
06-05-11, 06:25 AM
Awesomesauce! Well done guys! We all have some catching up to do now

2JZR31
06-05-11, 07:29 AM
Top work guys :)


All three of us had a number of attempts to crack into the magical 12.999 zone but no such luck. 13.1 after 13.2 after 13.1 time after time. We managed about 15 runs all up.

Add 1psi?

blownhemi
06-05-11, 07:42 AM
I can think of a couple way to get a tenth out of a VN, I had to go through this with my car way back when.

Removing that seat would have definitely helped but believe it or not disconnecting the thermo fan for the run works wonders too. Roll the car through the staging lanes, unplug it the thermos up front on the DS engine bay, then reconnect straight after the run on the return road. Alternatively hook up a switch to cut the fans out for the run.

KanaL
06-05-11, 07:50 AM
that's awesome boys, well done!
I'd be tempted to spenda couple more hundred on some shit and take the time penalty to try and smash out a 12.5 or something.

Mike Lowrrryyy
06-05-11, 12:14 PM
Good fucking work!

ALLMTR
21-05-11, 10:54 PM
Well it was a cool Wednesday night in Perth. My brothers and I rocked up to the Motorplex with the VN ready to race. We got it over to scrutineering. It passed with flying colours, even without the door trims that they picked us for last time.

It was then over to the staging lanes to wait our turn. In a matter of minutes we were up. Without a moments hesitation the car was in the burnout box heating the aged and weary ET Radials. With the radials hot and the handbrake cables near breaking point the gas was mashed and the boost gauge needle hit the magical 0.7bar mark.

The brakes were released and with an incredible amount of body twist we were off. The results are as follows.

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/13flatslip.jpg

All three of us had a number of attempts to crack into the magical 12.999 zone but no such luck. 13.1 after 13.2 after 13.1 time after time. We managed about 15 runs all up.

For the $1281 we have spent, we couldn't have asked for a more smile inducing shit box. The torque twist and acceleration experienced when you let the thing loose off the start line with 10 odd psi under its belt is hilarious.

Our car was so impressive we even made the Motorplex website

http://www.motorplex.com.au/gallery.php?mode=gall&gid=209#

Well lads. The balls in your court. Good luck and God speed.

So you guys are done?

2JLUX
23-05-11, 11:05 PM
Well our 13.002 will be our final entry due to loss compression on 1 cylinder (yet again). It seems that 16 full tilt passes in one night is just too much for a 270,000km Buick donk.

My two brothers and I take our collective hats off to the Red Steak. He has trumped us in both ET and overall budget. Well done and enjoy your wooden dick.

We will, however, be carrying on with the project due to its low cost nature. In the last couple of days some new parts have turned up in the mail box.

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/gasketsstudsandbearings.jpg

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/ecuandinjectors.jpg

Forged pistons and H beam rods are on the way.

With a little more tweaking and the above parts we should finally crack a 12.999.

And if you must ask, yes, we are slightly over $1300 now :)

Tils
23-05-11, 11:55 PM
The next it onto 11's for 2G??? I wont even get to run my 'tina before the end of June, I would be lucky to even have it running!! :p

Jim
24-05-11, 08:17 AM
Great stuff! Good to see further development going on. Were the injectors spendy?

2JLUX
24-05-11, 09:01 AM
I can't remember how much the injectors were, I bought them for another project ages ago, I think they were about 1k for 8 of them, they are 96lbs.
I bought them for a LS1 but they are only 2 ohm so no go with the factory ecu.

Jim
24-05-11, 09:33 AM
cool, hence the ECU upgrade I guess. Def the right way to go. While motors are cheap, changing them all the time is a pain in the arse.
This and a 70hp shot of nos would be tits I recon!

blownhemi
24-05-11, 10:51 AM
Awesome to see the development continue. Let us know how you go.

darwinschops
24-05-11, 12:33 PM
fark i can't believe i missed this one too...

awesome work guys. while i was reading red streak i was wondering if it was doable for someone to do a v6 vengeance and get most of the fab work done free as most of the rest of the parts for a project like this can be had dirt cheap

fucking congrats all round, not only under budget but actually a presentable and decent base for more speeds!

Mike Lowrrryyy
24-05-11, 02:45 PM
Just noticed the update. As Jim said good to see you are going to keep working at going faster. Much like us if you can do it on the cheap its a heap of fun for bugger all spend.
What's the goal time you have for it

2JLUX
24-05-11, 03:08 PM
If it runs a 11 i'll be happy

blownhemi
24-05-11, 03:27 PM
I've been kicking the idea around of just how fast I can get the Falcon going but the dollars just keep doing my head in. I'd love to run True Street Blown or something but I'd have to run nines to be competitive.

But with a six cylinder I'm allowed to run a turbo AND NOS. :)

Mike Lowrrryyy
24-05-11, 04:47 PM
Yeah nice 11's are a fair goal to reach I think.

blownhemi
24-05-11, 04:54 PM
If it runs a 11 i'll be happy


11s is relatively easy these days with a VN V6 (11psi boost will do it), but the turbo choice is the key. I ran 11.9 with a turbo that was too small (T3/4 hybrid) in all honesty, you need a GT35R in my opinion.

blownhemi
05-07-11, 12:55 PM
How's things going with the VN of Fury these days?

asht12341234
05-09-11, 08:40 PM
damn this thing is a beast.

FIL
09-09-11, 03:06 PM
Dude!

I didn't realise this was for the 13s for 1300 challenge when I saw you guys at the track last season.... Good work :)

Must be time to get back down there again soon hey.... :p

FIL
25-01-12, 08:17 PM
ummm.... 11.4s @ 125mph.... awesome work guys!

Tripper
25-01-12, 08:54 PM
going to need a budget update, who gives a fuck if its over budget will be interesting to see what it cost to get there

Jim
25-01-12, 11:48 PM
holy shit! hahah
well done guys!

lysdexia
26-01-12, 12:01 AM
haha awesome!

BigMuz
26-01-12, 04:33 AM
I missed this thread but that's a great result..

blownhemi
26-01-12, 07:34 AM
ummm.... 11.4s @ 125mph.... awesome work guys!

WTF!!

I think a thread update is in order. What's been happening with this guys?

2JLUX
28-01-12, 12:53 PM
Yes ladies and gents, we have kept the project going. It has taken a bit of time but the car is finally up and running again, bigger and badder than ever.

Over the Christmas holidays the last of our rebuild parts, our custom made JE forged pistons, finally arrived so the motor was swiftly removed from the car, torn apart and sent to the machinist to be bored. Once the motor was bored to size it was time for assembly. The JE forged pistons and Spool conrods were slipped in along with new ACL Race big end and main bearings. We replaced the cam bearings while we were at it and as we were going to be using stronger valve springs we drilled and tapped the block to fit small grub screws that would hold the cam bearings from spinning. Apparently this is quite a common problem when using stronger valve springs.

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/pistonrod.jpg

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/Buildparts.jpg

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/bottomend.jpg

A custom turbo grind Crow Cam was installed along with Cometic metal head gaskets, ARP head studs (which are cheaper than new head bolts from Holden) and previously mentioned Crow Cam valve springs and retainers. The heads were given a bit of a tickle with the die grinder to help improve flow. We were actually surprised at the pile of metal filings that came out of them.

Once the long motor had been assembled, the shed was searched for any half cans of paint. The block was painted an off blue/grey. The heads black, rocker covers red (because its faster) and the sump was given a delightful layer of fluro green. It was then time for the intake manifold. My brothers and i were less than impressed with standard Buick attempt at an intake manifold, what with plastic insert afterthought. So we come up with a design and got cracking. After a few measurements were taken and the sheet metal bender put to good use it was out with the AC tig welder. The manifold was welded, pressure tested and installed and some custom fuel rails were invented to help mount the massive MSD injectors. While we had the welder out, a 22 litre fuel cell was constructed to eliminate the need for the standard pressed steel tank, as well as a full alloy intercooler kit comprising of an old china intercooler we had laying around and bits and pieces of a GC8 WRX intercooler pipe work.

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/bay.jpg

When installing the fuel cell we conceited that the Walbro pump might be a bit on the small size so it was replaced with an 044 Bosch unit. We also replaced the standard fuel feed line with 10mm bundy tube to ensure adequate volume to the engine along with a generic pressure reg and gauge to keep an eye on pressure.

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/tank.jpg

Once the engine was installed it was time to look at the auto gearbox. The box was stripped down and new band, clutch frictions and steels, upgraded drum and forward piston as well as 11 vein oil pump and Corvette servo installed. The converter was left alone as it had served us well in the past even though we still had no idea what RPM stall it was. We also added a shift kitted valve body

The motor and gearbox were then refitted to the car, the Haltech Sport GM computer plugged in, the fuel cell filled with BP’s finest 98 and battery reconnected. Time to start her up. After a handful of cranks she fired straight up and sounded beautiful. No leaks, no knocks, no rattles. Just the light tapping of the MSD injector solenoids on the side of the intake manifold. After a series of cheers and high fives the car was loaded onto the trailer ready to be taken to the dyno for a tune.

With the car strapped down tight the boost was wound to 20 psi and the tuner left to do what he does best. After numerous runs the results were in. We were hoping for early 300’s at the tyre through the auto, which we didn’t think would be out of the question. The dyno sheet was printed and with 11.0 AFR and around 10 degrees timing it pumped out an impressive 370hp at the wheels.

My brothers and I could not have been happier. We got the car home and looked at what we could do to help lighten the car further. We invested in a 1200 x 2400 sheet of clear Perspex and replaced the two rear door glasses and the passenger door glass. The drivers was left factory for safety sake as well as to retain the ability to be wound down on the return road at the drags. The 900kg passenger seat (that hampered us from breaking into the 12 sec zone previously) was binned and the driver’s seat was replaced with a Kirkey alloy drag seat which was mounted to the factory rails. It is probably the only Kirkey drag seat that has both forward and back as well as height adjustability. While updating the interior we fitted a firewall between the boot and cabin as well as a 4 point RCI harness.

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/seat.jpg

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/mascot.jpg
Our Team Mascot

Now the part you’ve all been waiting for. Track time. We loaded the car up with helmets and jerry cans of fuel and hit the road for the drags. My brothers and I were hoping for a mid to low 12 but if we could crack an 11.999 we would be over the moon. The car passed scrutineering no problem so we lined up to see what it will do. The first pass out the car pulled a 13.8 but the car didn’t sound right. After a quick lap around the pits we could find anything wrong but it still didn’t feel right. So we went out for another run. The car didn’t launch well and seemed very quiet. At about half track the muffler exploded leaving muffler packing and mesh all over the track. As soon as the muffler popped the car took off like hitting a 400 shot of nos.

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/muffler.jpg

We had a look under the car and sure enough the muffler packing had collapsed and blocked the exhaust. We carefully removed the muffler (read kick and twisted it off) and went for another run. The car then hit boost cut the whole way down due to reduced back pressure and still ran a 12.2 at 116mph which we were amazed at. We got the laptop out and lowered the boost and went for some more runs. The car had some major traction issues, even with new drag radials, due to a shit track thanks to Motorvation the weekend before.

We lined up for another pass and hoped for the best. The car got a good launch with no wheel spin due to a 3000rpm launch. My brother and I looked at each other agreeing that it would be a good run. All the gear shifts were good and the car was hauling ass. Through the traps and the board lit up. 11.05 @ 126.93 MPH.

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/1105slip.jpg

My brother and I looked at each other and said “What the f#@k just happened”. With grins ear to ear we raced down to the return road to see my brothers face when he received the time slip. His eyes nearly fell out of his head. Gripping the timeslip with shaking hands he said that the car just pulled like a rocket the whole way. We have had a few more goes down the track since, getting consistent low 11s. We are still having trouble getting it off the line with a best 60ft of 1.95. We are currently looking into fixing this with 3.89 gears and a Trust T78 and 30psi.

Now I know you’re all wondering about the budget. We have well passed the $1300 limit. A few times actually. As we have done all the labour ourselves and the fact that much of the parts we have used we have had lying around the cost of the project has been fairly moderate. We estimate that the project in total has come to around 6500 in total and when shared between the 3 of us, roughly 2000 bucks each for a 11 flat car is pretty good value for money.

morerevsm3
28-01-12, 01:28 PM
awesome job, and even better results guys, congratulations

dirty_sandwich
30-01-12, 07:08 PM
Great storytelling and inspiring work! Makes me want my own VN.

Did I just say that?

blownhemi
31-01-12, 01:45 PM
Now I know you’re all wondering about the budget. We have well passed the $1300 limit. A few times actually. As we have done all the labour ourselves and the fact that much of the parts we have used we have had lying around the cost of the project has been fairly moderate. We estimate that the project in total has come to around 6500 in total and when shared between the 3 of us, roughly 2000 bucks each for a 11 flat car is pretty good value for money.

Fucking awesome.

I've got to ask though, why so rich and with so little timing?

I'm almost inspired enough to start dragging VN parts out of the dark recesses of my shed.

lysdexia
31-01-12, 02:12 PM
even if it is way over the original $1300 budget, that's awesome going for what should now be a reliable build! well done!

blownhemi
31-01-12, 02:30 PM
even if it is way over the original $1300 budget, that's awesome going for what should now be a reliable build! well done!

Telf was impressed when I told him it cost $6500 to almost run 10s

Dogsballs
31-01-12, 02:30 PM
top work.

curious, why not move the TB to the front then you cut down heaps of cooler piping?

[TUFFVQ]
31-01-12, 02:47 PM
Top work!

Suggest you go up in stall size rather than diff gears. Mine hits 6000rpm crossing the line at 108mph in 3rd with 3.89's. It has a 4000rpm stall granted, but you'd be revving it hard crossing at 125+mph!

blownhemi
31-01-12, 02:58 PM
What diff gears are you running now?

2JLUX
31-01-12, 10:08 PM
top work.

curious, why not move the TB to the front then you cut down heaps of cooler piping?

Moving the throttle body to the front means relocating the alternator and having new throttle and kick down cable made. Plus we would probably have to chop a hole in the bonnet.


;841354468']Top work!

Suggest you go up in stall size rather than diff gears. Mine hits 6000rpm crossing the line at 108mph in 3rd with 3.89's. It has a 4000rpm stall granted, but you'd be revving it hard crossing at 125+mph!

We are already going over the line at around 5800rpm in 3rd at 125mph. We have capped the rev limit at 6000 at the moment as were not quite ready to break the crank yet.


What diff gears are you running now?

We are still running the 3.08 gears.

The reason we are running it rich with no timing is to keep the engine in one piece as we didnt know what air flow distribution was going to be like in the new intake manifold. We could run more timing but for the moment we will keep it safe.

Tils
31-01-12, 10:15 PM
TuffVQ has moved throttle body to the front of plenum, though...

2JLUX
31-01-12, 10:25 PM
Yeah but where he has relocated his alternator to we have an exhaust manifold

Tils
31-01-12, 10:28 PM
Do you need power steering?

2JLUX
31-01-12, 10:31 PM
No thats already removed :)

Tils
31-01-12, 10:39 PM
You have the solution.

2JLUX
31-01-12, 10:43 PM
Yeah I know but its done now and im not changing it, especially for no gain. I can already leave the line on full boost :)

Fondles
31-01-12, 10:47 PM
This gets the Fondles Seal Of Approval.

Nice one guys.

2JLUX
08-02-12, 08:53 PM
Just ran 10.904 @ 124.82mph. 1.61 60ft.

Full update later.

Not bad for a 6 grand junker.

BigMuz
08-02-12, 08:59 PM
Fuck that is great. Good job.

Tils
08-02-12, 09:24 PM
Awesome effort! Holy shit!

2JLUX
08-02-12, 09:37 PM
Scratch that.

10.674 @ 126.74mph.

Some wee came out.

[TUFFVQ]
08-02-12, 09:50 PM
Fuck yes :)

Jim
09-02-12, 02:08 PM
hahaha awesome! has the scrutes had words yet?
We sold ours too early lol

lysdexia
09-02-12, 02:23 PM
HAHAHA fuck yeah guys!

big_pete
09-02-12, 02:24 PM
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lva5t8aeZC1qbx1d3.gif

2JLUX
09-02-12, 02:27 PM
No words yet, when we run 10.50 or faster we will get our marching orders

lysdexia
09-02-12, 02:35 PM
come to think of it, this car has absolutely smashed the 10s for 10k challenge too, just have the Getz Veyron challenge to go!

Guido
09-02-12, 02:41 PM
Great work guys!

ALLMTR
09-02-12, 07:22 PM
come to think of it, this car has absolutely smashed the 10s for 10k challenge too, just have the Getz Veyron challenge to go!

Getz Veyron is where it's at!

Well done, guys!

BigMuz
09-02-12, 08:00 PM
Can you post up the slip? 2.xx seconds o a hundred and probably close on a hundred mile an hour in the eighth is fucking incredible for 6k.

ALLMTR
09-02-12, 08:50 PM
Should be a little over 100 at the 1/8th

BigMuz
09-02-12, 09:02 PM
What does it weigh?

I'm guessing 1100 which means 500+hp?

BigMuz
09-02-12, 09:04 PM
Hey guys.

After seeing the 13's for $1300 thread we (my two brothers and I) thought that we would give it a crack

So we went out and bought this.

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN of FURY/frontofcar-1.jpg
http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN of FURY/enginebaybefore.jpg
Full running and driving VN series 1 with ice cold air con.

Our first idea (and only real option) was to turbo it so we bought this turbo with munted front cover and leaky oil seal.
http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN of FURY/gaylordturbofront-1.jpg
http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN of FURY/gaylordturborear-1.jpg

So this weekend just past we thought that we shoudl get some shit done so we modded the standard manifold using sections of the stock exhaust to make these.http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN of FURY/rightmanifold.jpg
http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN of FURY/leftmanifold.jpg
And used some scrap 10mm plate for a T4 flange
http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN of FURY/t4flange.jpg

So after all our work so far this is how it looks.
http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN of FURY/turbomounted.jpg

so our tally thus far comes to

VN : $250
Used oilly turbo : $200
T4 flange made from scrap : $10
T4 gasket : $5
RB25 oil drain : $ 10
Studs and nuts for turbo : $10
Flange for tubine outlet : $10
Ebay gate : $123
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/MONSTA-50MM-WASTEGATE-1000HP-TURBO-HOLDEN-NISSAN-/350400677135?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item519582050f
Flex Joint for manifolds : $ 30

Alloy elbow for turbo : $10
4x wrecker injectors : $60
Fuel rail and fittings (rail was an offcut) : $20
Charge pipe material : $15
Silicon reducer for throttle body : $10
25mm alloy bar stock : $20
2x pressure switches : $88
Oil feed line and "T" piece : $50
Dry ice : $20

Injector plugs and terminals : $15
Jap cat back : $30
second hand S15 fuel pump : $20
Shorter fan belt for no aircon : $30
Diff oil : $15

Replacement motor : $100
Overhaulled radiator : $30

Converter : $100

That comes to a total of $1281.

I thought I'd quote it as a reminder :D

2JLUX
10-02-12, 09:10 AM
1/8 mile speed was 163.XXkm/h, will post the time slip when I get time.

[TUFFVQ]
10-02-12, 09:19 AM
Considering mine traps 108mph, I feel you're making a mockery of my 'big burly V8' :p

I unashamedly love VN's (have owned two) - love this - more pics and/or vids!

blownhemi
10-02-12, 08:16 PM
bloody awesome

2JLUX
11-02-12, 10:09 PM
Here it is race fans,

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/CA18NA-1/VN%20of%20FURY/1067slip.jpg

Since we managed our 11.05 time slip, we found that we had the mph but just couldn't get the car out of the hole fast enough. We cam to the conclusion that the standard suspension was letting the car squat too much, effectively taking weight off the back wheels and letting them spin.


While we were at it, we added a set of Pedders lowered springs and 90-10 shocks in the front. By spacing the lower control arms down coupled with the lowered springs the car now sits perfectly level which required the rear guards to be professionally rolled (beaten with a big hammer) to stop the tyres catching.

After the first 2 runs we notice that our modifications worked a treat as the 60ft times had tumbled from a previous best of 1.93 to a stout 1.61. The car ran a number of very low 11 second passes until we finally cracked into the 10s with a 10.904. We could not have been happier. The car did get a bit out of shape when it went into 2nd gear so we thought it had a little more in it. Maybe a 10.8-10.85 but not much more. Or so we thought. We let the car cool down for a while and went back out and peeled off a 10.67. The guy in the brand new HSV in the next lane was schooled hard.

Our current plan for the car is more boost, E85 and a time slip that reads low 10's.

BigMuz
11-02-12, 10:28 PM
Fuck me! Seeing the slip makes it seem more real somehow..

6 and a bit seconds to a hundred miles an hour is awesomness..

ALLMTR
11-02-12, 10:54 PM
I see automatic unhappiness in your future....

OKE020
12-02-12, 09:39 AM
Lol well done will never doubt the moo again.

Jim
12-02-12, 12:08 PM
We found turning the shocks upside down helped a lot too. I cut the ends off and welded the eye and pin on the opposite ends. The gas shocks then pushed down easy but resisted lifting back up.

aaron_hogan
15-02-12, 10:17 AM
We found turning the shocks upside down helped a lot too. I cut the ends off and welded the eye and pin on the opposite ends. The gas shocks then pushed down easy but resisted lifting back up.

ORLY?
Maybe I am missing something here, but upside down or not a shocker is still going to operate based on compression/slow release? Unless the inversion somehow changes the location of oil in the cartridge.

crack
15-02-12, 12:12 PM
bump and rebound behaviour are different so reversing the shock will make a difference.

Jim
15-02-12, 02:51 PM
yep exactly. (stock type) gas shocks resist compression and force extension so reversing them means the car squats easily but resists coming back up, but also keeps the damping action.
I tested the shocks we had and they worked upside down. Many won't, so check before you go cutting and welding.
Believe me, it made a big difference to our car.

MRMOPARMAN
15-02-12, 04:05 PM
nice trick! will have to try that

itsnotagsr
15-02-12, 05:17 PM
This project is better than a street car that does 1.56 round PI. :D

2JLUX
16-02-12, 07:50 AM
Got another couple of runs in last night after leaning it out a little bit.

10.34 at 130mph
1.53 60ft
105mph 1/8 mile

It did a couple of 10.3s but the rest were all mid 10's, getting it off the line seems to be a bit of a struggle.

Will post time slip later

All in all we are fairly happy with it, just don't know which way to go from here.

blownhemi
16-02-12, 07:57 AM
Holy shit dude you are screaming now. What auto is it running? Still the TH700?

2JLUX
16-02-12, 08:04 AM
Still the TH700, it is built though.

[TUFFVQ]
16-02-12, 09:44 AM
Excellent work :)
What's been done to the T700 to keep it alive?

2JLUX
16-02-12, 10:37 AM
;841368448']Excellent work :)
What's been done to the T700 to keep it alive?

The trans has:
Alto frictions
Kolene steels
Wide band
13 vane oil pump
Reinforced input drum and overrun piston
Upgraded reactor shell
Shift kitted valvebody
Leaking cork pan gasket

We also change the fluid every couple of meets.

[TUFFVQ]
16-02-12, 01:24 PM
Thanks for that list - I've got similar mods to mine as well as monster trans cooler, alloy deep sump, transmax z, billet 2nd and 4th pistons

Just trying to gauge longevity with that much grunt behind it - not sure I've seen many early T700s surviving when pulling 10's!

What boost pressure are you running?

2JLUX
16-02-12, 01:41 PM
Running 21 psi making 385 at the rears

ALLMTR
16-02-12, 02:05 PM
Who did the box?

2JLUX
16-02-12, 02:12 PM
Who did the box?

A mate of mine, he's a T700 guru.

ALLMTR
16-02-12, 02:15 PM
How long does he think it'll last?

2JLUX
16-02-12, 02:41 PM
How long does he think it'll last?

He reckons 400 should be no dramas.
thats what the box was spec'd to when we built it

[TUFFVQ]
16-02-12, 02:45 PM
sorry, rwhp or rwkw? /noob

lysdexia
16-02-12, 03:05 PM
i'm gonna say HP.

2JLUX
16-02-12, 03:14 PM
Yeah hp, my bad.

lysdexia
16-02-12, 03:17 PM
is this still running the haggard turbo from the first post?

2JLUX
16-02-12, 03:20 PM
is this still running the haggard turbo from the first post?

Yep still going strong :)

ALLMTR
16-02-12, 03:20 PM
Can you get th400 adapters for the moo?

2JLUX
16-02-12, 03:21 PM
Can you get th400 adapters for the moo?

Don't know but there is a certain model of cadilac that has a v6 and T400 that bolts straight up, my mate has one in his grand national.

lysdexia
16-02-12, 03:21 PM
Yep still going strong :)

haha awesome. also means you have plenty of room for improvement by going bigger!

blownhemi
16-02-12, 03:22 PM
Can you get th400 adapters for the moo?

You can get just about anything for them.

ALLMTR
16-02-12, 03:45 PM
link?

blownhemi
16-02-12, 03:49 PM
link?

http://www.rodshop.com.au/trans_conversions/2wd_trans.htm

ALLMTR
16-02-12, 04:30 PM
Cool, google let me down

2JLUX
17-02-12, 08:23 AM
Just trying to gauge longevity with that much grunt behind it - not sure I've seen many early T700s surviving when pulling 10's!



we worked it out last night, the gearbox has done at least 8 10 second passes and around 12-13 low 11 second passes.

ALLMTR
17-02-12, 02:53 PM
There a full hydro box, yeah? I mean no electronic control at all.

2JLUX
17-02-12, 03:20 PM
There a full hydro box, yeah? I mean no electronic control at all.

Yeah all hydro operation, the only wiring is for lock up and temp light

TJ
17-02-12, 03:37 PM
Don't know but there is a certain model of cadilac that has a v6 and T400 that bolts straight up, my mate has one in his grand national.

Sean?

2JLUX
17-02-12, 03:40 PM
Sean?

Yes Seans GN