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ALLMTR
10-01-11, 07:57 PM
WELCOME TO HELLTRUCK 4000!!!

http://img46.imageshack.us/i/20110105143103.jpg/

1 case of beer for the truck of death

Got given an EL motor (and lunch for removing it)

Paid $50 for a Th350 to suit rebuild (tho it won't get it)

Been offered a chinese T3/4 with a leaking rear seal for a case

Tray is going to scrap

Jim
10-01-11, 08:01 PM
fucking LOL!
You should pick something harder to build

HoonBoy
10-01-11, 08:03 PM
Keep the tray and it would make a good parts collector/dump run truck with the Falcon motor in it!

lysdexia
10-01-11, 08:04 PM
LOL

that's awesome.

MRMOPARMAN
10-01-11, 08:09 PM
haha thats awesome. your gonna need the tray full of sandbags just to keep the arse on the ground with the falcon motor in front

Tripper
10-01-11, 08:48 PM
Chuck just remember you want large rear and small front brakes on that thing, do it the other was you will be kissing the tarmac when you try and stop it

morerevsm3
10-01-11, 09:01 PM
awesome, but going to be hard to borrow dual 12" drag radials

Panda I give no fuck
10-01-11, 09:01 PM
Worst drag car ever!!

Super jelous.

ALLMTR
10-01-11, 09:06 PM
This is me picking up the free motor out of the neighbours paddock

http://img709.imageshack.us/i/20110103151456.jpg/

Dogsballs
10-01-11, 09:11 PM
get farked, lol!!

might be worth chopping the roof 5" and replacing glass with lexcen. defo need the tray on though, unless doing rear mounted turbo's and cooler etc.

sammm
10-01-11, 09:17 PM
haha thats awesome. your gonna need the tray full of sandbags just to keep the arse on the ground with the falcon motor in front

I'm hoping the motor won't be too far in front, motor-gearbox-diff all behind the cab would be much more entertaining.

ALLMTR
10-01-11, 09:18 PM
4.o will be mounted mid chassis with J pipe for turbo.

Tils
10-01-11, 09:25 PM
4.o will be mounted mid chassis with J pipe for turbo.

Go as far back as you can!!! Don't forget wheelie bars!!

ALLMTR
10-01-11, 09:29 PM
Hehe

I'm hoping it is around 1000kg so it should go ok

Monk
10-01-11, 09:54 PM
Chuck just remember you want large rear and small front brakes on that thing, do it the other was you will be kissing the tarmac when you try and stop it

Just put a full external roll cage on it. It'll be right...

2JLUX
10-01-11, 10:07 PM
this thing will be funny as fuck, will do epic skids

VE Safari
10-01-11, 10:14 PM
http://hooniverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/lil-red.jpg

platinum
10-01-11, 10:19 PM
love it, tray mounted engine, scrapheap challenge style would be epic though

ChrisS
10-01-11, 10:21 PM
So you really like a challenge? :lol:

Paddington
10-01-11, 11:05 PM
fark. that magna, the smashed e series falcooon in the backgound, the patrol or whatever that crusty thing is in front of the helltruck would be easier than this! I do however, predict massive lols for this project.
I remember as a kid seeing my mates mum trying to get up a steep hill on a slightly wet day in a E series van, those tiny little back tyres were spinning at fair rate of knots!

ALLMTR
11-01-11, 12:46 AM
Motor on way from paddock to workshop

http://img233.imageshack.us/i/20110103152626.jpg/

This is moments after the hairy assed spider bit me

http://img148.imageshack.us/i/20110105175210.jpg/

Current costing
Cab/chassis: $33 (1 case). . . May even buy him two
EL 4.o motor: Free
Th350: $50
Plate for gearbox adapter: $28
Countersunk bolts for adapter plate: $3
Pintara: $50
VTEC type rocker cover paint :) : $20
Steel: $21
Subtotal: $205

I don't have a problem with people adjusting these figures any damn way they like, these are the actual prices I paid.

Howard Jones
11-01-11, 01:23 AM
this will be awesome

ALLMTR
11-01-11, 04:40 AM
Thanks

Got delivered this morning. Hopefully this arvo I can give it a good clean and wd40 it up

http://img255.imageshack.us/i/20110111062710.jpg/

RotorBoy
11-01-11, 06:17 AM
Awesome choice! Always wanted a fast truck like this.

Any out of the ordinary plans for the engine?

Ke26 Wagon
11-01-11, 06:24 AM
I only see one problem. The Th350 will not know how to shift when it gets postive pressure under boost unless the gearbox get rebuilt.

Other then that I really want to see this happen

Mr Ed
11-01-11, 07:01 AM
How long was that engine sitting in a field?

Looks like youve got your work cut out for you Chuck but I whole heartedly approve!! :D

<---cop
11-01-11, 07:23 AM
Your most retired effort ever! Awesome!

You really need to start attaching images to your posts rather than using fucking imageshack all the time.

Captain_Slow
11-01-11, 07:25 AM
I vote this as the leading contender for "most ambitious project" :)

TK
11-01-11, 08:23 AM
I only see one problem. The Th350 will not know how to shift when it gets postive pressure under boost unless the gearbox get rebuilt.

You just leave the vac line off & shift it manually.

Chuck - a shift kit that you can fit yourself in about an hour is something like $40 - gets rid of the pesky upshifts when the trans decides the motor is revving hard enough.
I fitted one to the t400 in the tonner in about 1.5hrs up on axle stands - piece of piss.

Jim
11-01-11, 08:52 AM
I'd suggest ditching the dinkywheel diff and fit an entire commodore IRS cradle. That way you won't need a tailshaft and can move the motor and box right back. Commo IRS seems to hook up pretty well too.

big_pete
11-01-11, 09:04 AM
I'd suggest ditching the dinkywheel diff and fit an entire commodore IRS cradle. That way you won't need a tailshaft and can move the motor and box right back. Commo IRS seems to hook up pretty well too.

:yup: I'm with this guy

2JZR31
11-01-11, 10:15 AM
Go Chuck. 11s?

ALLMTR
11-01-11, 11:53 AM
You really need to start attaching images to your posts rather than using fucking imageshack all the time.

Sorry but I only have tablet access atm and it won't support uploading to PF

I'll know more about rear suspension once I get the tray off. The rear spring mounts bolt to the chassis which is a good thing. The chassis on these are C shaped rather than box so reasonably light.

Mr Ed
11-01-11, 11:57 AM
The chassis on these are C shaped rather than box so reasonably light.
I thought they stopped doing that in the 1930s!

HoonBoy
11-01-11, 12:22 PM
You would be stupid to put IRS in a leaf spring car...

Slap in a bog-warmer diff with a stock shaft as short as you can get and use that for the engine/gearbox position.

lysdexia
11-01-11, 12:27 PM
clearly a welded stock diff with the dual wheels is the go. QUAD LEGGER!

TK
11-01-11, 12:35 PM
Stock diff is likely to have a short ratio = fast if it'll hook.

I'd run the dual wheels & just soak the crap out of the tyres with tyre softener for a couple of weeks before racing.

vet 180
11-01-11, 12:53 PM
so cool. i would run the stock diff. as tony said the ratio's should be good and you get duel wheels

ALLMTR
11-01-11, 01:07 PM
Can I still run in the 275 class if I use 4 of them?

Ben.
11-01-11, 03:28 PM
cool as shit project

will you actually finish it?

ALLMTR
11-01-11, 06:59 PM
History says no.

Got the tray off this arvo. I'll start dummying up the drivetrain tomorrow

Jim
11-01-11, 07:01 PM
i guess running the dualies and softening the tyres up is the cheapest and easiest by far, so with all things considered I say stick with the live axle. change to something else if you can't get it to hook up.

OKE020
11-01-11, 07:05 PM
I can vouch for the short arse diff ratios, i drive a diesel one of these to work every day :)

Chuck you're a mad man

HoonBoy
11-01-11, 07:13 PM
For the pics, use the "Links to share this image" and then "Direct" so you can use it like this:

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/2527/20110103151456.jpg

What are you planning for fuel/spark control?

morerevsm3
11-01-11, 07:15 PM
You just leave the vac line off & shift it manually.

Chuck - a shift kit that you can fit yourself in about an hour is something like $40 - gets rid of the pesky upshifts when the trans decides the motor is revving hard enough.
I fitted one to the t400 in the tonner in about 1.5hrs up on axle stands - piece of piss.

or just weld the governor, make it full manual control

2JLUX
11-01-11, 08:25 PM
$255 for a set of new slicks.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Go-Kart-MG-Yellow-Kart-Racing-Tyres-Set-Four-/170540201985?pt=AU_Go_Kart_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27b4fcf801

I must say you have my vote for most difficult 13 for 13 build.

Good luck with it mate.

ALLMTR
11-01-11, 08:44 PM
Really? Seems to me it will be piss easy. Motor can be mounted back/forth/up/down with ease. No sump/steering/crossmember issues. J pipe I could knock up at home, take it out there and know it'll fit as there is nothing to hit. Dump pipe can be dead straight. Every crossmember from the cab back is rivetted in so if I want to move them forward/backward it's no problem

Mini_Me
11-01-11, 10:47 PM
awesome project. best of luck with it!

132oft
11-01-11, 11:20 PM
History says no.


I hope to christ you get this running, fucking classic!

sammm
11-01-11, 11:52 PM
Really? Seems to me it will be piss easy. Motor can be mounted back/forth/up/down with ease. No sump/steering/crossmember issues. J pipe I could knock up at home, take it out there and know it'll fit as there is nothing to hit. Dump pipe can be dead straight. Every crossmember from the cab back is rivetted in so if I want to move them forward/backward it's no problem

I was also wondering why so many people were freaking out.

If you can get it to 1000kg you won't even need the turbo, should do 13s with a reground cam.

Radiator at the front with long hoses or back with the motor and some ducting?

jzx83
12-01-11, 05:55 AM
History says no.

HAHAHA you're a crack up, Chuck.

Looks like a mad project - in a good way.

Let me be the first to say it, just to get it out of the way.


Finish EEEEEEETT!!!!!

e30guy
12-01-11, 07:44 AM
definitely another one here hoping this project gets finished. I can see the benefits in your odd choice. Should perform fairly well too!

ALLMTR
12-01-11, 03:52 PM
Started dummying everything up. Everything seems ok except the two foot long tailshaft. . .

http://img199.imageshack.us/i/20110112154404.jpg/

Jim
12-01-11, 06:55 PM
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Jim
12-01-11, 06:56 PM
two feet is heaps. run with it :p

It's not like you'll get much suspension movement in the rear with those massive springs.

did it have a motor in it when you got it? petrol or diesel?

ALLMTR
12-01-11, 07:13 PM
Nah no motor. Was petrol.

Dogsballs
12-01-11, 07:38 PM
take a few leafs outta the rear ;)

Dogsballs
12-01-11, 07:39 PM
and cut a few coils on the front

ALLMTR
12-01-11, 07:43 PM
Front is torsion bar

Dogsballs
12-01-11, 08:07 PM
does it have a key to drop it then??

carcrazy
12-01-11, 09:05 PM
U bolt a vn diff into it?

Crazy project, should be hilarious to drive.

Tafe teacher at Ultimo had a diahatsu hijet with something in it and the tailshaft qas 1 foot long.

Dogsballs
12-01-11, 09:23 PM
yeah saw a cobra replica with ls1/t56 and tailshaft was 1-2foot long.

ALLMTR
12-01-11, 09:43 PM
Yeah but that would have been IRS

http://www.imagehosting.com/photo/2011-10-11-14-53-13?context=user

MRMOPARMAN
13-01-11, 06:04 AM
TJ wranglers shafts are little more than 1ft long. they have heaps more wheel travel than this. do it i say!

btw. wont that diff be heaps too short for the drags? maybe if it was a rotor.. but a torquey possibly turbo'd falcon motor id be looking at something with low 3's in the gears

DJ345
13-01-11, 07:15 AM
My mate has a Holden V8 powered one of these painted green its called the tod (Truck of death), im waiting for him to send some pics so I can post them up.

ALLMTR
13-01-11, 07:17 AM
Yeah thanks for the TJ info, that's reasuring.

4.44's and 20 inch tyres aren't going to go well with a long stroke 4.o litre.

Going to look at running coilovers on the front so that I can piss off the torsion bars as they are in the way a bit. Anyone got some (real) cheap coilovers?

Dogsballs
13-01-11, 08:48 AM
Yeah but that would have been IRS
nope, guy went for cheaper sold 3 link rear.

its on ls1tech, i'll try to find it. nice build.

found it

http://www.seth-sons.com/gallery/albums/FFRRoadster/Rear_Suspension/RearAxle_5.4.08_012_resized.jpg
http://www.seth-sons.com/gallery/albums/FFRRoadster/Trans/Trans_6.15.08_034_resized.jpg

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/conversions-hybrids/885531-ls1-ffr-roadster.html

ALLMTR
13-01-11, 02:59 PM
Been thinking of getting it towed down to the local weighbridge to get an idea of where I'm at weightwise.

2JZR31
13-01-11, 03:05 PM
Been thinking of getting it towed down to the local weighbridge to get an idea of where I'm at weightwise.

Whats the point? Are you considering running NA?

ALLMTR
13-01-11, 03:11 PM
Yes

morerevsm3
13-01-11, 03:56 PM
all motor for allmtr?

2JZR31
13-01-11, 04:01 PM
Yes

Its pretty gay, but a 13 is a 13.

ALLMTR
13-01-11, 04:27 PM
13's seem doable with a 1450kg Falcon. If this weighs ~1000kg then it should run better than a 13.9. Seems hell light and I can lift the back off the ground with ease.

2JZR31
13-01-11, 04:38 PM
13's seem doable with a 1450kg Falcon.

I think they may have even dipped into 12s NA? But it would seem the mods needed for this would actually be more expensive that turboing? Not that you would need many NA mods if the car was 1000kg!

Dansedgli
13-01-11, 05:14 PM
1 guy I know has run a 12.9 in a lightened EA, thin carpet, no heater stuff, no power steering etc. He had ITB's, a wolf V500 and is a cheque book racer so the details of what was done are sketchy. Extensive headwork, custom cam, slicks, 4.11 diff and possibly e85 from what I can gather.

He had an experienced drag racer behind the wheel too.

How is a truck only 1000kgs? Is it suzuki carry sized?

ALLMTR
14-01-11, 12:03 PM
Nah its reasonably sized but the chassis is pretty light judging by my pushometer

Located a pintara (for the diff) but the guy wants two cases for it. . . Dreamin'

meggala
14-01-11, 09:30 PM
I took an econovan to sims it was 950kg

ALLMTR
14-01-11, 09:46 PM
Cab chassis or van? Motor and box removed?

ALLMTR
15-01-11, 11:16 AM
Got the rear suspension out and it looks like I can keep the torsion bars by clocking them and making some new brackets.

http://img15.imageshack.us/i/20110115121955.jpg/

Need to drill out the rivets and slide the brackets back probably about 8 to 10 inches. I'll try to keep the standard rear springs but will pull a couple of leaves out of them.

Start three weeks holiday next week so that should help

2JZR31
15-01-11, 11:31 AM
Imageshack FTL. I had to give up trying to view the pics due to its shitness :(

VE Safari
15-01-11, 11:37 AM
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/9229/20110115121955.jpg

ALLMTR
15-01-11, 11:52 AM
Thanx, VE dude

ALLMTR
15-01-11, 02:26 PM
Ok some wheeling and dealing has occurred. Got the Pintara for $50. I'll be using the diff, tailshaft, battery, radiator and possibly the alternator.

Local wrecker swapped my broadband intake manifold for a MPFI one.

Got a lead on a second hand wade cam and shims for $150

Pintara brings spend up to $184, oh $189 as I found an extinguisher at the wreckers for 5 bucks

Jim
15-01-11, 02:43 PM
Good stuff, all coming together it seems! Run the whole diff, don't swap gears.
has he pulled off a VB manual steering column for me yet?

GT-R LM
15-01-11, 02:54 PM
How to post pics.

Hope this helps :)

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/2497/alls.jpg


http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9647/mtrj.jpg


http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4928/hlph.jpg

Jim
15-01-11, 02:57 PM
actually, on the right hand side of the imageshack image is a little line that says "embed this image" then you click on the forum link and copy paste that.

Here let me help you with that 1N R 004 omsin

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x289/SpamDragon/chuck.jpg

GT-R LM
15-01-11, 02:59 PM
yeah but this way he will know how to do it on any pic on the net

ALLMTR
15-01-11, 03:32 PM
Lemme see if this works

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/7594/20110115172326.jpg (http://img89.imageshack.us/i/20110115172326.jpg/)

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carcrazy
15-01-11, 03:38 PM
Classic!

Tils
15-01-11, 03:42 PM
Fuck your finger haz an aura!!!!!

Jim
15-01-11, 03:57 PM
it's facing the wrong way but I like your style :D

Roadsailing
15-01-11, 04:10 PM
Lemme see if this works


nope, your hand is around the wrong way.

when are you chopping the roof on this?

ALLMTR
15-01-11, 05:24 PM
When it runs 14.02

Dogsballs
15-01-11, 05:57 PM
your wife has big feet?!?

Tils
15-01-11, 06:48 PM
Chop the roof and fit a fibreglass nose cone and wing like the superbird! Sure you'd be adding weight, but it'd be fucking hilarious!!!

ALLMTR
15-01-11, 07:08 PM
Good stuff, all coming together it seems! Run the whole diff, don't swap gears.
has he pulled off a VB manual steering column for me yet?

That price was with me removing it and I haven't had a chance to do so

Captain_Slow
15-01-11, 08:12 PM
That engine - how long was it outside for? Does it actually run?

ALLMTR
15-01-11, 08:38 PM
About 18 months. It was in a crappy old shed on my property and when he subdivided the land he knocked down the shed and rolled the motor onto his land. Its really clean inside but I can't get rid of one of the funnel webs

ALLMTR
15-01-11, 09:40 PM
Can't believe a TJ Wrangler rear driveshaft is only 12 inches long. . .

Top one is stock
http://www.4x4now.com/butjdi.jpg

MRMOPARMAN
16-01-11, 12:32 AM
iirc they had double cardif uni's though.

overkill for your application however

Paddington
16-01-11, 08:06 AM
sir,

why on earth do you have a wheelie bin indoors?

I look forward to future updates in this endeavor.

regards
ranga matanga.

ALLMTR
16-01-11, 08:20 AM
Italics? It is a half scale wheelie bin for kids toys

HoonBoy
16-01-11, 09:15 AM
I want a $50 Pintara!

HoonBoy
16-01-11, 09:16 AM
I've got some 15inch 4 stud steelies if you need some. Currently fitted with rally tyres that I'm sure Jim will dispose of for you.

ALLMTR
16-01-11, 10:37 AM
I want a $50 Pintara!

No problem. It won't have a diff, tailshaft, alternator, battery, cat convertor or radiator tho :)

VE Safari
16-01-11, 11:13 AM
No problem. It won't have a diff, tailshaft, alternator, battery, cat convertor or radiator tho :)

That sounds like a $20 Pintara.

ALLMTR
16-01-11, 11:41 AM
Nah I'll get 50 for the remainder and $25 for the cat

HoonBoy
16-01-11, 12:05 PM
OK, let me rephrase, I want a $50 pintara with an intact diff.

Jim
16-01-11, 12:37 PM
I'd like just the diff for $50 thanks :p

ALLMTR
16-01-11, 12:49 PM
I'll pm you both if I find another

msmola2002
16-01-11, 02:39 PM
If anyone is going to pick something out of (very) left field, it will be Chuck :D AAA+++, love your work.

132oft
16-01-11, 09:03 PM
Italics? It is a half scale wheelie bin for kids toys

Also good for party punch :)

jzx83
16-01-11, 09:13 PM
So left field its out in the Indian Ocean. ;)

Gotta love him.

Setanta
17-01-11, 03:33 PM
Lemme see if this works

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/7594/20110115172326.jpg (http://img89.imageshack.us/i/20110115172326.jpg/)

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:lol:

God Chuck, get this up and running - pity you couldn't run it against your old Civic. BTW - did the new owner keep campaigning it?

ALLMTR
17-01-11, 04:22 PM
Bit of a change in plans. Went to a mate's house and he had a VL out the back, so I Took the diff out of it while he was at work. Hope he didn't want it. He was talking about wanting a pintara diff about a month ago so hopefully he wants to swap

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/3325/20110117170501.jpg (http://img263.imageshack.us/i/20110117170501.jpg/)

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I've already got some chasers (as per pics) and tailshaft will be easier. Chasers I agreed to pay $20 for but never had to but I'll wear the 20.

lysdexia
17-01-11, 04:27 PM
How does it make the tailshaft easier chuck? i'd have thought pintara and VL would be the same in that respect. (both mid 80s borg warner 78s with hardie spicer shafts)

ALLMTR
17-01-11, 05:08 PM
Yeah I wasn't sure but I know I have a VL shaft somewhere.

Dogsballs
17-01-11, 05:24 PM
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/6314/20110117172321.jpg



do i spy the new number plates?? :rolleyes:

TT
17-01-11, 05:39 PM
looow HP? :lol:

HoonBoy
17-01-11, 05:41 PM
Nice rear tyres :)

Jim
17-01-11, 05:51 PM
yeah they look familiar somehow :lol:

ALLMTR
17-01-11, 07:44 PM
And what do you value them at?

HoonBoy
17-01-11, 07:53 PM
Nothing, tyres are free :)

Jim
17-01-11, 08:03 PM
Those tyres have been free the last 4 change of owners :lol:

132oft
18-01-11, 09:42 AM
Move the diff forward, you've got built-in wheelie bars. Just saved you whatever wheelie-bars cost :)

Nitephyre
18-01-11, 10:01 AM
This is Fucking Insane™.


I want one :D

GT-R LM
18-01-11, 10:20 AM
looow HP? :lol:

i think its says 1100 HP :knock:

Jim
18-01-11, 10:38 AM
i think its says 1100 HP :knock:

HOLY FUCK!!! How did I not see that! Nobody spotted that except you! Fuck you're awesome.

GT-R LM
18-01-11, 10:56 AM
lol Jim just doing my bit for the society. Cops are Tops BTW

jizmstr0
18-01-11, 11:21 AM
subscribing. seriously impressed

Jim
18-01-11, 12:55 PM
lol Jim just doing my bit for the society. Cops are Tops BTW

Haha don't mind me I've been taking cunt pills :p

HoonBoy
18-01-11, 01:30 PM
Since birth :D

ALLMTR
18-01-11, 07:29 PM
Pulled the spring packs apart this arvo and overhauled the U bolts. Dummied up the new ride height. Tomorrow I'll drill the rivets out and move the spring mounts back. I'll also make a start oncutting the brackets off the diff. Snake Racing do spring saddles but they're $44 each so shonky ones are the go

ALLMTR
19-01-11, 09:35 PM
Finally got the spring mounts off the chassis at the expense of three good drill bits. Got the brackets off the diff but left the top ones as they might be good mounts for a two link. Cut the centre crossmember out of the chassis which will now allow me to dummy up the motor to start making the mounts. Won't be able to get back into it until the weekend

ALLMTR
20-01-11, 09:53 PM
Hoping to smash this on the weekend. The kids are going up to their grandmothers and the nopics is working so I have no excuses. May even get everything mounted (which was my goal for this month)

jzx83
21-01-11, 07:34 AM
Sweeeeeet, alone time in the Man Cave. Good to see progress on this Chuck.

RotaUte
21-01-11, 10:03 AM
Imageshack makes me less inclined to give a sheeeyt. Imbed please

ALLMTR
21-01-11, 01:58 PM
Did some work on it this morning after a 12 hour night shift. Can't remember what I did tho. Bought some 75 x 75 x 5 angle that adds $21 to the total

Fraud
21-01-11, 02:25 PM
I really really like this entrant... theres a good chance it'll achieve its goal, and its so retardedly out of nowhere its not funny...

PLEASE finish it :)

edit: AND its actually legal (in terms of capacity to weight)... even if you chuck a turbo on it... assumign I was looking at the right thing on redbook...

ALLMTR
21-01-11, 02:47 PM
There are no guidelines for capacity to weight for light trucks

MRMOPARMAN
21-01-11, 10:06 PM
13.6? :p

ALLMTR
21-01-11, 10:11 PM
Hehe, that would be mission accomplished, yes?

MRMOPARMAN
21-01-11, 10:28 PM
ummm. yes, yes it would :p

Nitephyre
22-01-11, 08:23 AM
12.9 :p

OKE020
22-01-11, 10:18 AM
Less posting more doing :)

ALLMTR
22-01-11, 08:34 PM
Good idea

Really wanted to get some stuff today as I was kid free. Managed to get the rear trans crossmember finished and started on the engine mounts. Real problem with the engine mounts is the distance the mount must extend to (7 inches) and the weakness of the C channel chassis. Add to this the torsion bars are also in the way. I've figured it out and should have them tacked up tomorrow

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redbucket
22-01-11, 08:39 PM
Are you going to have to box in the chassis rails where the cross members/engine mounts etc bolt to?

/fabrication noob

ALLMTR
22-01-11, 08:45 PM
Sort of. I have some 75 x 50 x 4mm box tube that I am stacking into the chassis. Pics tomorrow will show it better. I also need to laminate it with some 6mm plate.

Couldn't get my workbench out there this morning so I had to improvise. . .

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redbucket
22-01-11, 09:02 PM
Ah fair enough, will be good to see those pics.

About another half dozen of those bolted to the rear of the chassis might help with the traction :p

ALLMTR
23-01-11, 05:27 PM
Really needed some 5 or 6mm plate to start on the mounts so spent the day measuring and dummying shit up. Whilst I didnt get much done, I got a fair bit sorted.

ALLMTR
24-01-11, 07:46 PM
Spent the morning making the engine mounts, then threw them in the bin.

If I use an EA ECU, does that mean no smartlock problems?

Do I need to change axles to go to discs with a VL diff?

sean
24-01-11, 08:59 PM
I have no answers for you BUT this thing is awesome.

lysdexia
24-01-11, 09:47 PM
pretty sure you just need the appropriate backing plates and brackets to switch to discs

no idea on the ecu though

HoonBoy
25-01-11, 07:20 AM
I thought the bearings were different???

gtrboyy
25-01-11, 09:43 AM
Can't quite remember for certain but I thought it was just a different seal on the axle.It should say so in the bearing kit.

Jim
25-01-11, 10:23 AM
Run a vn diff.

ALLMTR
25-01-11, 01:18 PM
Another $15 in metal, bloody moneypit!

ALLMTR
25-01-11, 08:25 PM
Current total:
Truck $33
Motor free
Th350 $50
Plate for adapter $28
Countersunk bolts $3
Pintara $50
VTEC rocker cover paint $20
Steel $36
Chasers $20

Running total $240

Mini_Me
25-01-11, 08:44 PM
you bought the whole Pintara for the diff yeah? If you sell any bits from the rest of the car, does that get deducted from the project spend?

ALLMTR
25-01-11, 08:47 PM
In reality, yes. But I won't be taking it off the total

80DGY
25-01-11, 08:51 PM
not in the spirit, you're cheating, can it be regoed, ad nauseam

did I get them all? :p

sammm
26-01-11, 01:22 PM
Whats the plan for converter/flexplate/input shaft etc between the 4.0 and TH350?

ALLMTR
26-01-11, 01:41 PM
350 converter, EL flexplate

Something like this

http://m.ebay.com.au/Pages/ViewItem.aspx?aid=190492791602&emvAD=683x334&sv=th350&emvcc=0

ALLMTR
27-01-11, 09:15 PM
Decided that due to costs spiralling out of control, I am going to try and get an EA ecu to run the show. Might try one of those J3 chip thingy's. Should get some time to work on it tomorrow

nitrane
27-01-11, 09:59 PM
You could always use an EL computer and run a smartlock bypass, shiftkits.com.au sell them for $135... maybe you could ask them to sponsor you and provide one?

And iirc the smartlock can be disabled by feeding the correct input on the ECU 6 volts :P

edit:

http://www.fordmods.com/documents.php?d=83

Mighty Mouse
27-01-11, 10:02 PM
sooo.... school me, why didnt you just use a falcon auto?

nitrane
27-01-11, 10:05 PM
Word, I'd use a EL ECU, LE95 auto so it'd basically be a '97 falcon taxi driveline trapped in a Bangladeshi limo body.

ALLMTR
27-01-11, 10:06 PM
I didn't have one. I also prefer non electronic autos.

Captain_Slow
28-01-11, 07:25 AM
Running total $240


Decided that due to costs spiralling out of control

I LOL'd

ALLMTR
28-01-11, 01:47 PM
Yeah I'm sick of throwing good money after bad :)

Found an EA in a paddock near my new house. I left a note in the letterbox seeking the wiring/ECU

Spaced up the rear trans mount and got the motor in a better spot. Should have engine mounts 2.0 done over the weekend

nitrane
28-01-11, 01:50 PM
FYI EA's run the EEC-IV ECU and the EL's EEC-V, not that I expect it'll cause you much grief.

ALLMTR
28-01-11, 02:05 PM
Yeah if I wire to suit EA, an EL ECU will bolt right in but I will need a J3 chip to disable smartlock in the ECU.

Fraud
28-01-11, 02:07 PM
Spent the morning making the engine mounts, then threw them in the bin.

Since you're concerned about coming in over budget, I thought I'd inform you that you don't have to count the cost of the metal that you've thrown away, as the total cost only counts the finished product, not any experimentation that it took to get there...:)

nitrane
28-01-11, 02:10 PM
You don't need a J3 chip to get past smartlock as per my previous post, but if you want to run a EL 4.0 with a EA 3.9 computer you'll probably have to change the tune, and then need a J3 chip.

My suggestion... go with a EB ECU and do the Smartlock hack.

ALLMTR
28-01-11, 02:49 PM
Since you're concerned about coming in over budget, I thought I'd inform you that you don't have to count the cost of the metal that you've thrown away, as the total cost only counts the finished product, not any experimentation that it took to get there...:)

Yeah that's not the way I'm doing it. Money spent on the truck doesn't get refunded by some Genie when I fuck up

Tils
28-01-11, 06:02 PM
Yeah that's not the way I'm doing it. Money spent on the truck doesn't get refunded by some Genie when I fuck up

Mine does... I take the bottles responsible for the fuck up to the recyclers and get $2.40 back per carton... lets just say I drink alot... :P

ALLMTR
28-01-11, 07:15 PM
Hmmm I can't blame alcohol. . .

ALLMTR
30-01-11, 06:23 PM
Got to spend most of the arvo on it and got a fair bit done. Got the engine mounts roughed out and just need to pull them off and clean them up.

Hoping to get another arvo on it this week and all of Thursday.

Dogsballs
30-01-11, 08:51 PM
pics not loading

ALLMTR
02-02-11, 09:45 AM
41 degrees outside means nothing is getting done

nitrane
02-02-11, 09:47 AM
Pussy.

I was underneath a 345ci stroker sitting on stands RUNNING, whilst filling the trans on a 41c day last Saturday :)

Burnt my hand putting the fill plug in :(

ALLMTR
03-02-11, 09:31 PM
Yeah I just can't physically do what I used to. Going up the coast for a week, hopefully when I return the weather will be back to normal and I can get it!

Jim
13-02-11, 06:16 AM
Bump
Are you back yet?

blownhemi
13-02-11, 07:18 AM
Yeah I just can't physically do what I used to. Going up the coast for a week, hopefully when I return the weather will be back to normal and I can get it!

I know that feeling, I was actually sore as all fuck after yesterday with the Falcon. Admittedly modern cars seem to excel at putting bolts and screws in awkward positions though. Give me a 60s/70s muscle car any day.

Looking forward to seeing more of the Helltruck - it's the coolest project of the lot. Actually, what kind of truck is it, I don't think it's actually been mentioned anywhere.

ALLMTR
13-02-11, 08:40 AM
Yeah I'm back. Still not feeling real good but hopefully back into it real soon.

Turbohemi: It's a "Mazda Econovan"

F|sh
13-02-11, 09:15 AM
Spent the morning making the engine mounts, then threw them in the bin.

If I use an EA ECU, does that mean no smartlock problems?

Do I need to change axles to go to discs with a VL diff?

no just correct bearings and backing plates. common swap for the gemini guys.

$100 for all of it from a wrecker i am sure

Justlikemusic
13-02-11, 03:45 PM
I just put an EL motor and box in my 3.9/91 EBI Fairmont. I changed all the looms and bolted the EL front doors on the EB (bigger speaker holes =)) so I had no problems with the smartlock.

If you are going to turbo it... use the EL motor with the EA intake manifold (EL Injectors etc) EA wiring harness and ECU and you will have no problems with the smartlock. Then just run the EA ECU with that setup and you will be fine. Any other EB-EL questions just let me know I just went through this process, but will be following this build. Looks mad, keep it up!

Sorry forgot to add you can use the EA loom.

I figure the ED's had 143kW and the EL 157kW with the manifold.... so your dropping 14kw with the manifold swap, but the turbo will make it up so it doesn't matter so much. If your running 14.1's with the EA loom/ECU setup, then change to EL BBM and ECU and get the smartlock bypass ecu (PLUS a rough tune for the turbo at the same time) and run in the 13's =)

ALLMTR
14-02-11, 11:41 AM
Engine mounts 3.0 in progress today

blownhemi
14-02-11, 11:43 AM
Engine mounts 3.0 in progress today

Cool, so how far back are you going to mount the engine? Or is it going to sit where the earlier pic showed?

OKE020
14-02-11, 12:56 PM
Hey chuck i have a Helltruck 3800 Turbo in at work today lol, you are mad

2JZR31
14-02-11, 02:22 PM
Hey chuck i have a Helltruck 3800 Turbo in at work today lol, you are mad

Pics or it didn't happen.

ALLMTR
14-02-11, 05:15 PM
Motor is staying roughly where it was. Mounts 3.0 are tacked together and just under a million times better. Hoping to finish the mounts tomorrow.

ALLMTR
15-02-11, 07:13 AM
The good thing about the rear trans mount is that it can hold the auto whilst working on or pulling the motor

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blownhemi
15-02-11, 07:51 AM
More progress is excellent.

2rismo
15-02-11, 08:53 AM
I know that feeling, I was actually sore as all fuck after yesterday with the Falcon. Admittedly modern cars seem to excel at putting bolts and screws in awkward positions though. Give me a 60s/70s muscle car any day.


VJ Vals do not = muscle cars.

MRMOPARMAN
15-02-11, 09:12 AM
VJ Vals do not = muscle cars.

they made E48's and E49's and E55's in the VJ series.. which are considered muscle cars :knock:

blownhemi
15-02-11, 09:32 AM
they made E48's and E49's and E55's in the VJ series.. which are considered muscle cars :knock:

Very few but yes they do exist. I'm not quite sure where VJ comes into things though Adrian? I've only ever owned one VJ and it was one of those big coupes.

dirty_sandwich
15-02-11, 01:20 PM
This is my favourite concept in this challenge. Expecting update tonight :)

ALLMTR
15-02-11, 02:50 PM
Will now do? :)

Finally got the motor where I want it. . .

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lysdexia
15-02-11, 02:54 PM
lol

2JZR31
15-02-11, 03:16 PM
Bwahaha. $1300?

Greg Rust
15-02-11, 04:13 PM
Yea how is this costing $1300, XR6T motors are more than that?

lysdexia
15-02-11, 04:16 PM
xr6t and E series engines bolt to the same mounts, i'm sure you'll find chuck's having a laugh

Fraud
15-02-11, 04:36 PM
arent the turbo coil covers red, making this an NA motor? They're fairly cheap..

plus a 2nd hand stock turbo manfold and turbo?

I'm not saying thats what he's done, but its not out of the question..

F|sh
15-02-11, 04:53 PM
wait what

has chuck done himself a mischief?

2JZR31
15-02-11, 04:53 PM
I think he got a NA barra a while ago. It doesn't look like its bolting to the trans anytime soon though.

F|sh
15-02-11, 04:55 PM
a barra motor is $500....


ooOOoOoo chuck.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/FORD-FALCON-BA-6-CYLINDER-MOTOR-FAIRMONT-ENGINE-/300524412497?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item45f8a69e51

MRMOPARMAN
15-02-11, 05:03 PM
fuck me, that was out of the blue!

i predict a 30,000hp nos kit to just 'apprear' in a future photo

Jim
15-02-11, 05:08 PM
a barra motor is $500....


ooOOoOoo chuck.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/FORD-FALCON-BA-6-CYLINDER-MOTOR-FAIRMONT-ENGINE-/300524412497?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item45f8a69e51

they can be had cheaper :D

I'm guessing especially as he knows a wrecker :p

Dansedgli
15-02-11, 05:10 PM
I think he got a NA barra a while ago. It doesn't look like its bolting to the trans anytime soon though.

It fits the same bellhousing as the SOHC motor.

Chuck still needs to make an adapter to fit his TH400 doesnt he?

F|sh
15-02-11, 05:10 PM
i reckon. I am already looking at bits for the fairlane......

blownhemi
15-02-11, 05:18 PM
Actually there's a Barra motor on ebay for $350 at the moment - they aren't worth much. I was thinking about it, and I suggested it to Chuck and that's when he admitted that he had one already.

I think it's awesome.

2JZR31
15-02-11, 05:21 PM
How do you get a barra motor to run?

Captain_Slow
15-02-11, 06:08 PM
Well this just took a turn for the interesting. Well, the even more interesting I should say.

MRMOPARMAN
15-02-11, 06:15 PM
How do you get a barra motor to run?

loom and ecu from written off taxi + CHE 'special' tune?

ALLMTR
15-02-11, 06:25 PM
Hehe

Motors are $350 from wreckers, cheaper if you buy more than 1 or don't want warranty. I paid $250 for it from a guy who thought it just plugged into an EF.

Manifold is the gooder FG one which cost me $150.

Thought I had a lead on a leaking chinese 35r but that didn't pan out

The whole thing is going to come down to whether I can get it to run without an aftermarket ECU.

Euroboost
15-02-11, 07:18 PM
Even running NA this thing is going to be interesting.

ALLMTR
15-02-11, 08:59 PM
I'm doing some research in relation to running the motor with an EF ECU (the coilpack one)

MRMOPARMAN
15-02-11, 09:06 PM
does the AU/BA motors have the distributor hole in the block, and the shaft to run it?? thats where the cam angle sensor is located on EF motors.

if not you may be up shit creek unless you get real creative.

maybe AU ECU? then its also flashable for turbo maps etc.

would be cool if it works though.. EF/AU ECU + jaycar RPM switch kit for cam control :)

HoonBoy
15-02-11, 09:44 PM
Have you got the remains of the pintara? I'm looking for a manual rack and column.

ALLMTR
15-02-11, 10:12 PM
No, sorry Pintara is goooone

ALLMTR
15-02-11, 10:17 PM
Current total:
Truck $33
BA motor $250
FG turbo manifold $150
Th350 $50
Plate for adapter $28
Countersunk bolts $3
Pintara $50
VTEC rocker cover paint $20
Steel $36
Chasers $20

Running total $640

Damn, it's half gone :eek:

peal
15-02-11, 10:28 PM
if you pull this off it will be epic.

Fraud
15-02-11, 11:47 PM
if you pull this off it will be epic.

X2

please PLEASE get it finished.

dirty_sandwich
16-02-11, 12:00 AM
Best.update.ever.

2JZR31
16-02-11, 09:18 AM
This will be epic.

Paddington
16-02-11, 09:54 AM
iseewhatyoudidthere.jpg

In for lottery on how high the front wheels get.

Dansedgli
16-02-11, 10:12 AM
Ef ecu and loom with a j3 should get it running. Same crank sensor. Fit an earlier throttle body with a cable.

Cam timing will be funny though. If you can ghetto fab vernier Gears and lock them down it might help.

lysdexia
16-02-11, 10:27 AM
is the cam timing just an on/off with a solenoid, or is there more to it?

Dansedgli
16-02-11, 10:32 AM
Nah it's infinitely variable Depending on a whole bunch of shit including oil pressure.

I think they stick at a retarded setting if unplugged though.

That dude with the xr6t escort got his running without cams hooked up and made alright power but it was way down on what it should have been.

2JZR31
16-02-11, 10:37 AM
Nah it's infinitely variable Depending on a whole bunch of shit including oil pressure.

I think they stick at a retarded setting if unplugged though.

That dude with the xr6t escort got his running without cams hooked up and made alright power but it was way down on what it should have been.

Can you just set them at some point and leave them there?

Dansedgli
16-02-11, 10:41 AM
I've seen a guy mod the standard gears so they can't move and put them where he wanted. Atomic make Verneirs for $600'odd.

Supercrown
16-02-11, 11:05 AM
Hmm

If he went that way, that would leave Chuck $60.

mebbe not.

=-)

Greg Rust
16-02-11, 12:05 PM
Cheers for the update Chuck, yea I was bermused slightly at the thought of all the power this thing will have once it's finished, I failed to see the silver cover of the NA motor.

ALLMTR
16-02-11, 12:20 PM
I'll have to check what signal the cam actuator gets. Maybe an in line resistor can "lock" it at 0.

MRMOPARMAN
16-02-11, 01:04 PM
dare i say it would be duty cycled

Greg Rust
16-02-11, 01:44 PM
BA motors adv/ret both cams together, BF motors could vary inlet/ex independently but that's more likely a software programme.

Fraud
16-02-11, 03:02 PM
I was once told that the main reason behind ford making the BF cams independently variable was that it allowed htem to push essentially fresh air past the exhaust valves under certain conditions to dilute the exhaust gas and "optimise" their EPA testing results...

any truth to it?

Greg Rust
16-02-11, 04:19 PM
Pretty sure they didn't do it for the BA as they didn't have funding for the independent operation and also more likely wanted to keep something up their sleeve for the BF as it turned out.

but yea by controling the exhaust valves you can lower the exhaust gas temperature, thereby reducing NOx levels which is good for emissions.

blownhemi
16-02-11, 06:39 PM
According to my BF Falcon press release folder (I was lucky enough to go on the launch), the Barra 190 in the BF had dual knock sensors and dual independant variable cam timing. And apparently the BA had dual cam phasers as well, but they only used to software to switch one cam.

In the BF they have the ability to retard the cam timing by as much as 50 degrees and advance by up 10 degrees (up to 60 degree total variation is possible). But it also appears that the BF cams had more duration than the BA cams as well.

It's going to be hard to work around this and the smartlock problem. Unless you do what was suggested above. Lock the exhaust cam straight up (zero advance or retard) and use an EL/EF ecu with a J3 chip.

ALLMTR
16-02-11, 08:47 PM
I've seen a guy mod the standard gears so they can't move and put them where he wanted.

Who is this masked avenger?

aaron_hogan
17-02-11, 04:22 PM
does the AU/BA motors have the distributor hole in the block, and the shaft to run it?? thats where the cam angle sensor is located on EF motors.

if not you may be up shit creek unless you get real creative.

maybe AU ECU? then its also flashable for turbo maps etc.

would be cool if it works though.. EF/AU ECU + jaycar RPM switch kit for cam control :)

This is where I got caught out all those years ago and is the reason a BA motor still occupies premium floor space in my shed. The BA does not have the "dizzy hole" and the oil pump is driven from the crank, rather than the aux shaft. Can't put a dizzy in there otherwise it would be easy :(

Ferntree Gully Auto Salvage did get one to run with an AU ecu and coil pack. Thread mine all known ford forums or just call them and ask.

And as I mentioned previously: bloke on ebay doing cut down looms but you still need an ecu flash to disable various things.

Dansedgli
17-02-11, 04:46 PM
The FTG thread on fordmods was pretty useless.

They put a BA motor in an AU and wired up the AU loom to the motor and it ran. They never drove it cos it was in a wrecked car.

Apparently it ran rough.

This is the dude with the homemade locked cam gears. Pics dont work though. :(

http://www.boostedfalcon.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2438&start=40

F|sh
17-02-11, 04:46 PM
hey chuck a megasquirt work with the engine?

if i had my m4 still and loom i'd sell it to you for $200 and then buy it back off you

Fraud
17-02-11, 04:56 PM
For some reason I've got it in my head that the EGAS models don't use the VCT... whether htey have different cam wheels or not I don't know.. and indeed whether this is true or not, I don't know...

edit: I thought i saw it on AFF at some point, but google can't find it for me... Plus the possibility that I made it up.

ALLMTR
17-02-11, 08:43 PM
Got Sun, Mon, Tue, Wed and Thu off. Kids are going to their grannies for Mon, Tue and Wed and are at daycare on Thu. Want to smash this up next week. I have a fair bit to do on it. . .

ALLMTR
18-02-11, 09:30 PM
Lets see what I can get done of these:
Move rear shackle back
Diff mounts
Radiator/hoses
Fuel system/tank
Finish engine mounts
Alternator mounting
Shifter
Auto oil cooler
Tailshaft
Intake plenum

Wiring and gearbox adaptor after that

F|sh
25-02-11, 11:45 PM
updates?

sammm
27-02-11, 10:02 PM
Will yours be getting the fake tanker treatment to hide the motor?
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd36/chevazon/zehyrhills%202011/100_2159.jpg

132oft
01-03-11, 05:22 PM
that is fucking cool