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Jim
30-03-11, 05:47 PM
This is way early, but I'm thinking we should start on ideas for the next $1300 challenge.

Probably for the end of the year or early next year.

For track cars we could set the target to match something like the HQ series times so it won't matter what track we run at.

MRMOPARMAN
30-03-11, 06:12 PM
or have an annual PF bathurst bash :)

Gammaboy
30-03-11, 06:22 PM
$1300 f6000?

knighty
30-03-11, 06:24 PM
i might be interested in a 13 sec strip car

when's it start again?

Chase Rockwell
30-03-11, 06:34 PM
20's for $200.

knighty
30-03-11, 06:36 PM
DONE!!

how about allowance for chit you have sitting at home doing nothing??

Tils
30-03-11, 07:18 PM
Impreza based open wheeler? :p

blownhemi
30-03-11, 07:54 PM
If I've got the spare change at the time I'll go again with a 13s for $1300 drag car. It would be great to start at the same time as everyone else. :)

Fraud
31-03-11, 09:01 AM
$1300 for a car that you'd acutally want to drive every day, and proove it by doing so for 6 months without complaining. Rego, fuel & insurance costs not included.

seriously though, I think the drag challenge needs to run again... next time its run, if i've got a bit mroe time and space I'll be up for it..

blownhemi
31-03-11, 09:12 AM
The rego idea has some merit but it narrows the pool of potential cars. If you've got to spend $1500 to bring a car up to rego specs then that makes the challenge a lot more expensive. And then do you say $1300 after rego? What about the guy who had to replace a rusty exhaust system, and fits a full house performance system for rego. How do you differentiate between performance parts and parts for rego.

Shifty
31-03-11, 09:38 AM
Jim, I think with a slightly increased dollar value and plenty of notice, a lot more of us will be involved and it will be a lot more interesting.

$2k limit
opens up a lot more options like ghetto turbo setups, a lot more imagination/interest rather than (eg) moo+gas, and likely to end up with a car you might actually use or on-sell later.

no need for rego, but...
car must be 'safe'
car must be forseeably 'registerable' eg. Vn with boot-mounted nitrous is ok but a big-block ke10 with no floor or roof and a 9" sticking a foot out of the rear guards is not.

timeline
cars to debut say feb/march next year. plenty of time to choose a car, plan, collect cheap/free parts on the sly, fix up any rust or safety issues before you start, etc

exclusions
Rego is too hard, but a great condition is perhaps to block out any specific vehicle combos that say featured in the top three results this year? Eg. if VNs with nitrous are win in 2011, then doing the same again is a no-go.

Its me
31-03-11, 09:59 AM
$1300 paddock basher.
Set up a course on someone's farm?

MartyRX2
31-03-11, 10:22 AM
Why does there need to be a time line, just have an ongoing 13s for 1300 competition. Could have a leaderboard which is constantly updated, could even be a calculation based on ETs, so if somebody does 12s for 2000 then they could still be up the top of the leaderboard due to the extra expenditure netting them faster times. Base the competition more on bang for buck rather than set a maximum cost. Perhaps $100 per tenth of a second improvement in ET. I'd love to get involved in this competition but right now don't have the time, hope it's around in another couple of years.

Fraud
31-03-11, 10:22 AM
$1300 for a car that you'd acutally want to drive every day, and proove it by doing so for 6 months without complaining. Rego, fuel & insurance costs not included..

Sorry - to make this clear, i'm not talking about using this car competitively in any form, just having a car that costs $1300 to buy/fix/prepare/modify so it doesnt shit you, and then driving it for 6 months.. that in itself is the challenge.

so I'm thinking $400 VN commodore with working aircon, replace the shocks and bushes, powerchip, diff gears, 15 inch chasers with reasonable tyres, and a tube of superglue to stick the headlining back to the roof.

Chase Rockwell
31-03-11, 10:45 AM
^ sorry that is fucking boring. Half the cunts here probably do that already.

Eurorogerrevolution
31-03-11, 02:16 PM
http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/

tez
31-03-11, 10:42 PM
Some form of NA challenge? I just want to buy a rusty Gemini and relive my P plater days

Or similar class of car, start with a KA or KB laser and work up from there

thechuckster
31-03-11, 11:04 PM
$1300 paddock basher.
Set up a course on someone's farm?
this would be a fucken hoot.

C0V3R
31-03-11, 11:06 PM
130mph for $1300

Asteroid
31-03-11, 11:45 PM
Some form of NA challenge? I just want to buy a rusty Gemini and relive my P plater days

Or similar class of car, start with a KA or KB laser and work up from there
Same challenge again, but FWD only. Okay maybe 14sec FWD for $1400.

Fondles
31-03-11, 11:55 PM
DONE!!

how about allowance for chit you have sitting at home doing nothing??

Works for me, I have a blown big block/lenco combo in storage, im sure it will run 13's.

would cost me more than $1300 to get it in a vehicle an running though.

Rona
01-04-11, 08:56 AM
130mph for $1300
Plenty of cars already do that off the bat in the price range unless you are suggesting within a set distance. Seriously a $200 VN with no work will hit 130mph eventually, it may not be fun or safe but it will get there.

I agreed with just keeping a leaderboard going for the existing challenge a lot of people are struggling to get stuff done in the time frame so just leave it until the end of 2011 and then start with a fresh challenge then.

blownhemi
01-04-11, 09:35 AM
Same challenge again, but FWD only. Okay maybe 14sec FWD for $1400.

That sounds cool. It would certainly take many of us out of our comfort zones - except ALLMTR :)

Guido
01-04-11, 10:03 AM
Yeah, i reckon a leaderboard with no set time frame is the way.

C0V3R
01-04-11, 10:33 AM
Plenty of cars already do that off the bat in the price range unless you are suggesting within a set distance. Seriously a $200 VN with no work will hit 130mph eventually, it may not be fun or safe but it will get there.

I agreed with just keeping a leaderboard going for the existing challenge a lot of people are struggling to get stuff done in the time frame so just leave it until the end of 2011 and then start with a fresh challenge then.

I meant 130mph in a qtr mile. That should make it a bit more difficult!

Gammaboy
01-04-11, 10:34 AM
That sounds cool. It would certainly take many of us out of our comfort zones - except ALLMTR :)

Finishing a project would be outside his comfort zone...

<---cop
01-04-11, 10:40 AM
1.5L limit, $1500 limit, 1:05 Lakeside Challenge?

blownhemi
01-04-11, 12:27 PM
1.5L limit, $1500 limit, 1:05 Lakeside Challenge?

The only problem with circuit stuff is we live all over the place. Winton would be the closest circuit for me. Then there's all the crap with CAMS and stuff. I'm not sure about licencing but at least you can run at the drags without a licence if you keep the times slower than 12.0 seconds.

I like the FWD challenege. Should be plenty of material out there.

Jim
01-04-11, 01:41 PM
That's why I said compare with a national series. If the HQ's do a 2.00 at EC and 1.20 at lakeside (or whatever they actually do) then that's our target.
Drag racing is as boring as batshit even if it is easier to access.

blownhemi
01-04-11, 01:51 PM
That's why I said compare with a national series. If the HQ's do a 2.00 at EC and 1.20 at lakeside (or whatever they actually do) then that's our target.
Drag racing is as boring as batshit even if it is easier to access.


I'm excited any time I race, drag or otherwise.

knighty
01-04-11, 03:18 PM
running strips seems the easiest,

leave the time limit out,

1300ish limit,

budget being left to engine/driveline only??. so if someone wants to dress up said bomb, they are free to? (i have a prospective candidate or two here, but am not overly excited about bastardising them)

exempt items such as gaskets, pads, oils, etc. call it consumables.
Which would give the freedom to say "lets try that again", pull something down, grind a bit more out or shave something etc. and fine tune your $1300 bucket

leave a running leaderboard.

whaddya think?

Jim
01-04-11, 04:10 PM
Rules (or lack of them) are well defined. No reason to muddy the waters with rule discussion. That's what the other thread is for.
This thread is for determining if we apply the rules to a different form of motorsport for the next one.

MRMOPARMAN
01-04-11, 04:42 PM
Rules (or lack of them) are well defined. No reason to muddy the waters with rule discussion. That's what the other thread is for.
This thread is for determining if we apply the rules to a different form of motorsport for the next one.

sounds like a rule to me :p

knighty
01-04-11, 04:59 PM
point taken :)

should really read them one day

Nollsy
01-04-11, 06:13 PM
Yeah another drag one FTW. Myself and another PF member will be in on the next one too :)

thedude
03-04-11, 09:03 PM
$1300 4WD Challenge - Cooktown to the Cape and back.

KanaL
04-04-11, 12:35 AM
I think the problem with doing it similarly a second time round is that you're left with a 13 second car that's probably got some good shit in it.

At the moment, if you've got shit lying around you can use it pretty freely, yeah? So your second 13 for 13 car will just be full of parts from your first car, and these parts won't have cost you anything. Seems like a pretty unfair advantage to the guys that wouldn't mind giving it a go next time. (unless i've completely misunderstood things...)

Asteroid
04-04-11, 12:46 AM
That's why I think it should encourage participants to use a different sort of car. Obviously stripped, boosted falcodores were the order of the day for the first challenge, so having a FWD challenge next time would mean everyone starts from scratch. Also we're all pretty trustworthy here, if someone's spent $1k on a nitrous kit, lsd and a turbo then the same costs would be counted next time around (even if the parts were salvaged from the first car).

The circuit car concept would be a hell of a lot of fun (and it certainly made for interesting banter with the $1000 challenge years back) but it's a bit hard to make a meaningful comparison on a national level. Also getting access to a circuit can be a pain.

blownhemi
04-04-11, 10:38 AM
That's why I think it should encourage participants to use a different sort of car. Obviously stripped, boosted falcodores were the order of the day for the first challenge, so having a FWD challenge next time would mean everyone starts from scratch. Also we're all pretty trustworthy here, if someone's spent $1k on a nitrous kit, lsd and a turbo then the same costs would be counted next time around (even if the parts were salvaged from the first car).

The circuit car concept would be a hell of a lot of fun (and it certainly made for interesting banter with the $1000 challenge years back) but it's a bit hard to make a meaningful comparison on a national level. Also getting access to a circuit can be a pain.

Yep, and even this challenge accounts for the "parts from the garage" problem, you're supposed to put a price on anything that comes from the shed anyway. So if you bought stuff from before then the cost will have to carry over (or at least add a good second hand cost).

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of a FWD challenge. But lets finish this one first. My wife certainly isn't going to let me jump straight from one car to another. Give me six months to settle things down first. :)

blownhemi
04-04-11, 10:43 AM
It's a pity the last option was thrown in the poll (I know, it was funny at the time and I almiost clicked it as well), but it would have been nice to see what those 21 people really thought. :)

Jim
04-04-11, 11:10 AM
You know you can click more than one option in this poll :lol:

blownhemi
04-04-11, 11:20 AM
You know you can click more than one option in this poll :lol:

Really? I just voted on one thing, It won't let me vote again. :(

knowsfords
04-04-11, 04:03 PM
I already have an idea for a 13s for $1300 car if the challenge should appear :yup:

ALLMTR
04-04-11, 05:24 PM
10's for $10k, you've got a year to put away $200 a week

blownhemi
04-04-11, 05:31 PM
10's for $10k, you've got a year to put away $200 a week

I reckon I could do nines for $10K. :)

But I ain't volunteering. My missus would slice my nuts off.

MRMOPARMAN
04-04-11, 06:41 PM
$200 a week to blow on a car for a year? im not even going to bother trying to hide that from the missus (besides i dont save that much per week) :p

ALLMTR
05-04-11, 04:54 PM
Next challenge :

Cheaper than a Getz ($13990) quicker than a Veyron (10.2 at 140) :)

blownhemi
05-04-11, 04:57 PM
Next challenge :

Cheaper than a Getz ($13990) quicker than a Veyron (10.2 at 140) :)

The Veyron Challenge! I like it.

thechuckster
05-04-11, 05:24 PM
take a leaf out of the rally book: a Hyundai (or similar shitbox 4cyl FWD) challenge with budget limit ($3k?). Sliding handicap based on budget spend and engine capacity. Must use factory chassis, block & gearbox. Safety & brakes free. At the end of the series, take still-running competitors to a farm for a rallysprint (aka beer & bushbash).

psi999
05-04-11, 05:29 PM
Same challenge again, but FWD only. Okay maybe 14sec FWD for $1400.

I'd be interested in giving that one a crack except 14.5 at atleast 100 mph

Would certainly put many outside comfort zones... Bit more of a challenge.

brasher
05-04-11, 05:51 PM
something like a budget biker buildoff would be cool.

I would love to build up something with a bit of character to get around on, need some motivation.

Mike Lowrrryyy
27-04-11, 10:28 PM
So on the way home we thought of a "get told not to come back without an ANDRA S/ST licence" for 2k Challenge. So 11'90 or faster same cars just an extra $700 spend.
If you want to get into the game with a new car you can with a 2k max spend or try and run a 13 for 13 and go from there.
Thoughts?

<---cop
27-04-11, 10:41 PM
Has merits.

I'm liking the "fourteens for fourteen hundred in a front wheel drive" challenge :)

Asteroid
27-04-11, 11:14 PM
I'm hoping to continue where the other Saab 9000 left off. :lol:

morerevsm3
27-04-11, 11:39 PM
I still like the idea of taking same 13s for $1300 cars to a circuit, and beat HQ lap record at that circuit

chevguy
28-04-11, 07:41 AM
Whether it still runs or not I`m still going to build my $1300 for 13 car. Just got me an r31 skyline that I`ll do a buildup on soon. This idea is cheap,available and a barrel of laughs IMO. I would suggest though having and index time of say 13.4 for e.g.

<---cop
28-04-11, 08:08 AM
Biggest suggestion ever!!!!

Run this comp till June, then run the next comp from July 1 2011 - June 30 2012.
This gives everyone heaps of time and a lot more people will be willing to enter.

The 14/1400/FWD challenge would stop the same cars/parts entering again and it would be good to learn something new.

Mike Lowrrryyy
28-04-11, 08:19 AM
I give no fuck whatsoever for FWD skids or 14 second quarters. I live my life one quarter at a time so it has to be hektic. I also don't want to have to tell my freinds and family I am gay.
Apart from that Jim and I already had the idea of doing this before the thread came up on p.f so it seems like a natural progression for us to go faster for as cheap as we can. It's an inexpensive bit of fun for us and needing to start over with a new car means another out lay of 1300 bucks and that's money not getting spent on real project cars.

P.s it won't stop things like naws going used over again either.

Mike Lowrrryyy
28-04-11, 08:56 AM
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b192/Martin_U/569791be.jpg

60TJZ
28-04-11, 09:02 AM
would be keen fro 14's for $1400 FWD

Mike Lowrrryyy
28-04-11, 09:18 AM
Opps wrong thread

mick.wheelz
03-05-11, 04:26 PM
yeah FWD $14s for 1400 would be a good one.. but have more time to work on it.

ALLMTR
03-05-11, 04:29 PM
14's for $1400 FWD would just be a stripped Maxima/Camry/Magna

blownhemi
03-05-11, 05:41 PM
14's for $1400 FWD would just be a stripped Maxima/Camry/Magna

Yep, got to be 13s for $1300 :yup:

I've been tossing a few ideas around in my head.

Imposter Forg
03-05-11, 05:45 PM
14's for $1400 FWD, up the boost on one of those old saabs

ALLMTR
03-05-11, 06:02 PM
Yeah or you could do something to something reliable

MRMOPARMAN
03-05-11, 07:00 PM
$500 for the quickest go kart? everyone meet at bathurst in 6 months :)

sleepercorty
03-05-11, 08:26 PM
how about leaving the 13's for 1300 and keep an up to date leaderboard and in a few months also starting a 12's for $2000 that way the people that have already spent 1300 for 13 can do some upgrades over time and spend another 700 to try and get to 12's then in say another 6-12 months start maybe a 11's for $3000-3500 so the people that have made the 12's can spend some more to get to 11's then in another 6 months do maybe a 10's for $5000-6000 would make it competitive and over time not to much out of pocket money wise. that way people with different budgets can chose the different brackets

Tils
03-05-11, 08:41 PM
how about leaving the 13's for 1300 and keep an up to date leaderboard and in a few months also starting a 12's for $2000 that way the people that have already spent 1300 for 13 can do some upgrades over time and spend another 700 to try and get to 12's then in say another 6-12 months start maybe a 11's for $3000-3500 so the people that have made the 12's can spend some more to get to 11's then in another 6 months do maybe a 10's for $5000-6000 would make it competitive and over time not to much out of pocket money wise. that way people with different budgets can chose the different brackets

Not a bad idea. :yup:

ALLMTR
03-05-11, 08:44 PM
Yep I like it

Jim
03-05-11, 08:47 PM
yep also means those of us that aren't interested in continuous development can sell them to someone else.

peril 787b
03-05-11, 08:54 PM
Leave it as a drag format, the $1400/14/FWD idea makes a good shift from the current built "weapons" so it's a fresh start for all. The current competitors would be able to sell their cars for $1300 with no loss to pocket, so can start with a pile of cash. I'm sure there'd be enough "hoons" willing to purchase a proven 13 second car for $1300.
The drag format also leaves it easy to enter, no complications with circuit regulations, and also enables international competitors on a level playing field (i.e, us uNZed peoples, although Meremere's not level...)

Tils
03-05-11, 09:32 PM
Fuck selling my cortina for $1300!!!

sleepercorty
03-05-11, 10:48 PM
how about 13's for $1300 with 1300cc that makes it a real challenge then, people would have to use old corollas, datsuns, escorts and so on

Mike Lowrrryyy
03-05-11, 11:27 PM
So on the way home we thought of a "get told not to come back without an ANDRA S/ST licence" for 2k Challenge. So 11'90 or faster same cars just an extra $700 spend.
If you want to get into the game with a new car you can with a 2k max spend or try and run a 13 for 13 and go from there.
Thoughts?


how about leaving the 13's for 1300 and keep an up to date leaderboard and in a few months also starting a 12's for $2000 that way the people that have already spent 1300 for 13 can do some upgrades over time and spend another 700 to try and get to 12's then in say another 6-12 months start maybe a 11's for $3000-3500 so the people that have made the 12's can spend some more to get to 11's then in another 6 months do maybe a 10's for $5000-6000 would make it competitive and over time not to much out of pocket money wise. that way people with different budgets can chose the different brackets

Just saying...

<---cop
03-05-11, 11:30 PM
Yeah maybe keeping a series of classes with a leaderboard is the best way.

No time limits.

- 13s for $1300
- 12s for $2300
- 11s for $3300

sleepercorty
04-05-11, 08:12 AM
Yeah maybe keeping a series of classes with a leaderboard is the best way.

No time limits.

- 13s for $1300
- 12s for $2300
- 11s for $3300

that sounds good to me

tut
04-05-11, 08:17 AM
that sounds good to me

suspicious, mitselr aprl 2011


methings u hve a 11 sec car for cheapz

sleepercorty
04-05-11, 10:14 AM
suspicious, mitselr aprl 2011


methings u hve a 11 sec car for cheapz

haha no i dont but recon its definately possible, i have 2 10 second cars but dont think i could pull enough parts off them to get build cost down to $3300

morerevsm3
04-05-11, 10:03 PM
how about a challenge involving JB Camiras, stock driveline has to remain, fastest 1/4 wins.
at least the donor cars should be free

blownhemi
05-05-11, 10:19 AM
how about a challenge involving JB Camiras, stock driveline has to remain, fastest 1/4 wins.
at least the donor cars should be free


Not the worst idea but how many different ways can you modify a Camira? Plus they might actually be hard to get hold of, just checked ebay, not one Camira for sale.

I think the FWD thing is still a winner. Plenty of variety there, and almost unlimited options, as in you could do it with nitrous, turbo, blower or NA if you pick the right car and get the parts for the right price.

It'd be a toss up whether to get something small and light (charade or starlet) or something bigger with a V6 (Magna or Camry). Either way it would be fun.

tut
05-05-11, 10:31 AM
i'd go for option 2


i like the idea of the last option, but being a realist, 1300 dollar would either be a shame of the money, or we'd be dead from all the alcohol.... anyway, i'd win. lol

Imposter Forg
05-05-11, 12:39 PM
anyone own a big farm somewhere close to lots of people?

$1000. PF demo derby.

morerevsm3
05-05-11, 08:13 PM
Not the worst idea but how many different ways can you modify a Camira? Plus they might actually be hard to get hold of, just checked ebay, not one Camira for sale.

I think the FWD thing is still a winner. Plenty of variety there, and almost unlimited options, as in you could do it with nitrous, turbo, blower or NA if you pick the right car and get the parts for the right price.

It'd be a toss up whether to get something small and light (charade or starlet) or something bigger with a V6 (Magna or Camry). Either way it would be fun.

I did mean to allow turbo, nitrous, nitro methane or whatever, but all with same model car, preferably something really unloved and next to nothing to obtain

Jim
05-05-11, 08:30 PM
how much is a speedway to rent for a day?

morerevsm3
05-05-11, 08:51 PM
how much is a speedway to rent for a day?

Heathcote also has a speedway track, if you pay car entry at a test and tune, you can also use speedway track

Jim
05-05-11, 08:56 PM
I can see a $300 speedway challenge coming up in our future :D

blownhemi
05-05-11, 10:40 PM
I may have found my FWD car if we go that way. :)

It makes me giggle like a school girl just to think about it. We'll see tomorrow.

<---cop
05-05-11, 11:02 PM
FWD = out of comfort zone.

Nice :D

Edit: Big FWD with power or small FWD that weighs 3 egg shells?

MRMOPARMAN
06-05-11, 06:12 AM
big FWD powers solid mounted into FWD that weighs 3 egg shells, then strip the cunt out :)

blownhemi
06-05-11, 07:32 AM
big FWD powers solid mounted into FWD that weighs 3 egg shells, then strip the cunt out :)


I like your thinking. We'll see what happens today, but even if I miss this one I still like the idea of it and there's plenty more of the same model available.

Jim
06-05-11, 09:27 AM
I propose early camrys because i fucking hate them and want to break some.

blownhemi
06-05-11, 12:55 PM
I propose early camrys because i fucking hate them and want to break some.

Mate, I just come back from the Auctions, and I say NO to the Camry. While every other car was bringing $300-400, the Camry's were bringing $1500-2000 for Statutary Write offs. We stood there just shaking our heads. I could have bought two ES300 Lexus's - one for $600 and one for $800, but for some reason Camry's were bringing big bucks. I even saw a white 4cyl shitter bring $1700.

The FWD car I was looking at went for almost $350 but I decided to be good and kept my hands in my pockets. I reckon I can get one cheaper on Ebay. Gave me a good chance to check one ot close and personal though, I reckon it would be a cack to do what I'm thinking.

The '74 Valiant sedan (265, 3spd column manual) we were really looking at went for $4750 :wtf:

Tils
06-05-11, 01:56 PM
Yeah, vals are starting to get stupid money for them now. And for base model regular shit...

HoonBoy
06-05-11, 03:12 PM
An early Magna would be a better idea if you could get one to last for 14 seconds without exploding.

A draw through carby 4 banger would be my choice, get something that has room in front of the engine for a simple manifold or j pipe, run a couple of su's for fuel and do something with the dissy for timing.

blownhemi
06-05-11, 03:28 PM
Yeah, vals are starting to get stupid money for them now. And for base model regular shit...


What got me was that we couldn't actually start the car to see if the engine ran (although it looked very pretty - one of the nicest looking stock 265's I've seen in a while) and the gearbox seemed to be jammed in gear. I thought the price would number in the hundreds, certainly not the thousands.

Most interesting sale I saw though was the guy who announced he was buying his VL Calais back. "It's my car and i want it back." Must have been a hoon car or something.
From start to finish he just held his number up, so the auctineer was forced to just keep counting his bid regardless of what other people were doing. It was a non turbo car in fair condition and another couple people were bidding against him. The car went to $3700 and he nearly got into a blew with the other bidder who kept driving the price up. He got his car though.

blownhemi
06-05-11, 03:29 PM
An early Magna would be a better idea if you could get one to last for 14 seconds without exploding.

A draw through carby 4 banger would be my choice, get something that has room in front of the engine for a simple manifold or j pipe, run a couple of su's for fuel and do something with the dissy for timing.

V6 Magna get into the 14s fairly easy i believe - getting one to run 13s would be a little harder.

MRMOPARMAN
06-05-11, 05:50 PM
shame about camrys being so highly priced.

ive got a half stripped ae82 hatchback taht i bought for $150 for its drivetrain.. its just begging for some V6 camry running gear :)

so in that case i propose N12 pulsar with A32 maxima running gear FTW

MRMOPARMAN
06-05-11, 05:57 PM
mitsubishi colt + magna drivetrain FTL... my mum had to of the fuckin abortions. the saturn motor barely fits.

Tils
06-05-11, 06:05 PM
2.0L Camira EFI motor in euro barina....

blownhemi
06-05-11, 08:27 PM
Not sure I want to give away my idea, but lets just say it involves squeezing a mid size motor into a car that weighs not much more than a carton of eggs. :)

No turbos or nitrous needed.

MRMOPARMAN
06-05-11, 09:09 PM
for the really enthusiastic people, maybe they could get the FWD motor and mount it in the rear?

blownhemi
06-05-11, 09:29 PM
for the really enthusiastic people, maybe they could get the FWD motor and mount it in the rear?


Nah, got to keep it FWD I reckon.

MRMOPARMAN
06-05-11, 09:55 PM
a bit bored atm so ive been on carsales checking weights of all the cars that have the info up..

lowest weights ive found so far:
1. diahatsu charade G11 = 685kg
2. holden barina / suzuki swift 1st gen = 710kg
3. subaru flori = 750kg

cant find weights on the mighty boy or suzuki hatch. id expect them to be around the charade weight though.

MRMOPARMAN
06-05-11, 09:59 PM
Not the worst idea but how many different ways can you modify a Camira? Plus they might actually be hard to get hold of, just checked ebay, not one Camira for sale.


found one. everyone pounce and drive the price up lol.

camira bro (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/HOLDEN-JE-CAMIRA-2L-AUTO-SEDAN-/190530368771?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item2c5c7eb503)

MRMOPARMAN
06-05-11, 10:06 PM
ok last post for a bit since im probably trolling now...

for the lazy people, subaru wrx motor into base impreza.

cheap, easy, fasts?

Tils
06-05-11, 10:25 PM
ok last post for a bit since im probably trolling now...

for the lazy people, subaru wrx motor into base impreza.

cheap, easy, fasts?

Mate put a WRX motor in a liberty. Traction was a major issue lol Big power FWD = teh gay

MRMOPARMAN
06-05-11, 10:31 PM
probably going to be a problem in all >14 sec FWD's. hell atm all the rwds are struggling in the current comp :)

blownhemi
07-05-11, 08:17 AM
Mate put a WRX motor in a liberty. Traction was a major issue lol Big power FWD = teh gay

Subaru Brumby with WRX engine or even an old school 1.8 L EA82T :)

MRMOPARMAN
07-05-11, 09:14 AM
it would take alot of power adders to get an EA82T into 13's. they are fucking slow as in factory form

blownhemi
07-05-11, 11:17 AM
it would take alot of power adders to get an EA82T into 13's. they are fucking slow as in factory form

Yeah probably, but that's what boost is for. :)


I've done a bit of looking around and think I've found my ultimate FWD combo, and it may even be RTA legal as well. :rotflol:

Someone wake me up when we're ready to start. :)

MRMOPARMAN
07-05-11, 11:26 AM
hang on.. dont go to sleep, you still have a wooden dick to try and win :p

Asteroid
07-05-11, 01:45 PM
I am stunned that pf has taken to my half baked FWD challenge idea. So how about something like this:

PF FWD Challenge
Start around June for the 2011/2012 drag season, so it won't encroach too badly on the current challenge and allows plenty of time.
Front wheel drive cars only.
Cars should remain reasonably close to a road car, like the previous challenge. So no big block V8 transaxle mighty boys (sorry Chuck).
Cost of around $1300 (exact limit lads?)
Target <14.50 (thoughts?)

That should be enough rules. Let's do it!

Tobed0g
07-05-11, 02:11 PM
You'd have to do less than 14.5 to make it a challenge. You'd be able to pick up an unregistered TE V6 Manual for about a grand if you looked hard enough and that'd run a low 15 with a decent launch before you start ripping shit out of it. The 3.5L manual ones run a 14 stock with a good driver and with an average driver after an exhaust.

<---cop
07-05-11, 02:13 PM
Target - 14s
Cost - $1400
Time - July 1st to December 31st

Then run the RWD one again from 1/1/2012

Mike Lowrrryyy
07-05-11, 03:05 PM
I am out.

<---cop
07-05-11, 03:08 PM
Take 6 months off then run the VN harder from janurary.
This way everyone gets to play together.

Jim
07-05-11, 03:21 PM
the only way I'll run in a FWD drag challenge is if I turn the seat around in the VN.
Also out.

blownhemi
07-05-11, 03:38 PM
Pussies! Where is your sense of adventure?:fgay:

I reckon the target should still be 13s (after all, it's supposed to be a challenge), but hey, whoever is fastest still wins even if no one makes the 13s. Keep the same basic rules as before, but everyone has to run a FWD car.

Not sure I can put up another car in that time frame though. My wife might just have a cow.

If I do another car I might get it regoed first, that way I can drive it to the track if I want to.

<---cop
07-05-11, 03:45 PM
Pussy! Where is your sense of adventure?:fgay:

1. Sell 13 second falcon for $1300 on www.fordforums.com.au
2. Tell wife new article means new project.
3. Use $1300 to fund new project
4. ????
5. Profit

blownhemi
07-05-11, 04:10 PM
Pussy! Where is your sense of adventure?:fgay:

1. Sell 13 second falcon for $1300 on www.fordforums.com.au
2. Tell wife new article means new project.
3. Use $1300 to fund new project
4. ????
5. Profit

Yep, could be on the cards.

Mike Lowrrryyy
07-05-11, 04:35 PM
No I just have less than zero percent interest in FWD. A 13 second pass in a rwd car is not really hart pounding stuff but at least I can rip a skid in it and lol etc. A 14second pass is a car I cant rip a fun skid in pointless to me.

blownhemi
07-05-11, 05:30 PM
No I just have less than zero percent interest in FWD. A 13 second pass in a rwd car is not really hart pounding stuff but at least I can rip a skid in it and lol etc. A 14second pass is a car I cant rip a fun skid in pointless to me.


A 14sec FWD will melt the rubber off the rims no probs. A 13sec FWD would actually be something you've got to steer down the track.

I'm not really a FWD fan, but the idea - as far as I'm concerned anyway - is to do something I wouldn't normally do. Wasn't the whole point of 13s for $1300 to just get people out from behind their computers and out in the shed having fun?

It's like Project Bluebird in a way. If I wanted to go really fast I would have turboed it, but there's already plenty of quick turbo 4-litres out there and I've done the turbo six thing a few times. Nitrous was something different and interesting.

I just like the idea of making something out of nothing. Who expects a $200 FWD car to do anything? Get it rip a 13sec pass on a budget and people will certainly sit up and take notice.

Even if no one else wants to play, I might build my idea up anyway. It'll make an awesome youtube project. It's got me thinking now. Might hit the wreckers tomorrow with a tape measure. :)

peril 787b
07-05-11, 11:04 PM
No I just have less than zero percent interest in FWD. A 14second pass is a car I cant rip a fun skid in pointless to me.
Can't rip a fun skid in a FWD??
I took out crowd favourite in a burnout comp in a Honda Shuttle (Civic Pro) 1500 SOHC carb, against v8's, rotors, turbo 6's and all.
The $150 I won paid for enough piss to celebrate, the blown headgasket ($20) and new tyres($20).

Tripper
07-05-11, 11:11 PM
I like the idea of adding some money to the budget as it keeps the simple idea on going and allows for improvements in the car, but also makes it easier for new people to make a build and be competitive.

Thou a speedway car could be fun, just depends on the rules and regs required by them, but im 90% sure you could not drive a speedway suitable car on the road so that would require the use of a trailer

Roadsailing
07-05-11, 11:25 PM
130 MPH for $1300?

MRMOPARMAN
08-05-11, 01:14 AM
unfortunately i wouldnt be able to do this FWD thing either this year.

if it started jan 1 2012 i might have a chance.

maybe have 1 challenge a year to spread costs a bit? and if you spread the challenge over 12 months you'd have a chance at development, and late comers would still have a chance.

blownhemi
08-05-11, 01:47 PM
LOL. Visited the wreckers again today, but with a tape measure this time. Just checking if my idea has legs or not, and amazingly it looks dobable.

Got to love little cars with big engine bays. :)

Dogsballs
08-05-11, 01:50 PM
Got to love little cars with big engine bays. :)

sounds like lots of country girls!

ALLMTR
08-05-11, 02:20 PM
LOL. Visited the wreckers again today, but with a tape measure this time. Just checking if my idea has legs or not, and amazingly it looks dobable.

Got to love little cars with big engine bays. :)

pm me if you need some advice re FWD swap. There might be some things you might be missing or not allowing for.