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blownhemi
02-04-12, 10:41 AM
Okay guys so I'm calling it. Lets kick off the 13s for $1300 FWD Challenge. There seems to be some interest in this and I reckon it's worth a shot. Personally it'll be interesting to get out of my comfort zone.

Rules are basically the same as last time, but with FWD cars. Just to nip it in the bud now, no AWD cars (unless you want to run without rear tailshaft or halfshafts).


Objective - To buy & build a car that will do a 13.99 second pass down the 1/4 mile drag strip for Aus$1300 or less.

Price - Aus$1300 or cheaper as a total cost is the desired goal, penalty’s will be applied if you go over this amount. this will apply if you go over by your own admission, if your fellow competitors make a complaint to the judge, or if the judge deems you to be taking the piss.

Safety - Brakes, brake lines, brake fluid, brake pads, etc, are all free from any costings. Safety is the priority here and the car must have good brakes on each wheel. A working handbrake is required. Driver's seat is cost-free and must be properly mounted. Seat belts are cost-free and must be in good condition, no fraying, etc, and the mounts & brackets must be rust-free and solid. Steering & associated mechanisms are also cost-free and expected to be in excellent condition. A solidly-mounted fire extinguisher with drivers reach must be fitted and it is cost-free. Tyres must be road-legal or if racing tyres be at least minimum manufacturers allowable tread depth, tyres are not included in your build cost. The drag-strip apparel safety rules must be followed but as a minimum you are also required to wear a helmet and long clothes or race suit while driving. Once again no safety equipment counts towards your total cost

Costing free stuff - We all have a bunch of stuff lying around our sheds and so would be able to claim "I have a free engine" and so on, but we have to have a general costing for no-purchased engines. Paint and damage/rust repairs are cost-free.
update: Weight based costings removed due to public demand. All free items, both parts and cars must be declared by the builder and a fair market value provided, if other competitors feel the declared price is unfair they can lodge a complaint with the judge who will review


Other freebie stuff, like wheels and parts so on have a nominal cost and should be declared by the competitor, ie if you have a spare rb26dett laying around go fuck yourself, but if you have a spare turbocharger and you can prove that second hand its worth $100 then its worth $100. If you have however managed to buy a car and or parts at an extremely low cost and you can provide real bullet proof evidence of this then you gain, and we will accept it.

Modifications - They are expected. Standard cars can't be entered because that's cheating and very un-PF. You can remove anything you like from the car, but it must appear roadworthy. Seats (apart from the drivers seat) are removable. Trim, sound deadening, hood lining, etc, may be removed. All removed parts may be sold to recoup costs but you can't reduce the build price with the parts sold. The car however does not need to be registered. NOS is encouraged for both the cars and the drivers.

Scoring & classes - Two classes; naturally aspirated, and forced induction, but only one prize given out. There is a factoring system we've worked out to see who spent their money the most wisely and did the best job. The winner is determined by a super-secret equation including vehicle age, general fuckedupness, reliability of country of origin, unlikelihood of success, and the organisers whim as determined by totally unscientific, and almost certainly totally unfair, pit-side opinion and chitchat.

There's also the people's choice award for the most popular car.*

General - The cars must appear to be road-registrable and if they are registered that is also cost-free. Judges are the admins and mods from PF, and such are completely corruptible. Times must be obtained at an official drag strip and also be proven with an official copy of the run. All the runs must be in by the end of Sept 2012 for judging.

Penalty’s - if you go over the $1300 limit either by your own admission or the ruling of the Supreme Judge Lord Sherwood the Great of the Coast of Gold. If you admit to going over budget then for every Aus$100 over Aus$1300 you lose one tenth of a second. If you do not admit and are called out, you lose 2 tenths per $100. Lowest total ET is the winner.

Competitor complaints - this is called 13's for $1300 not 13's for whatever you can afford as long as its close to $1300. if a competitor feels another competitor is taking the piss then you can register a private complaint to the judge who will review the situation. Only fellow competitors are allowed to complain, if your an arm chair racer, go fuck yourself

*Prize, if you win you will receive the Performanceforums Niggerdick Ashtray of Glory, the shaft of which, will forever be engraved with your name, your ownership of this awesome prize will be for 12 months until the competition is repeated again, cars that have previously competed can not enter next year.


*may actually be no prizes


So get to it, buy and build a FWD car for under $1300 and get it running 13.99 or quicker. Have it done by the end of September and you'll be king of the interwebs.

myliberty
02-04-12, 10:48 AM
ok.

neet_wagon
02-04-12, 11:16 AM
In.

ALLMTR
02-04-12, 05:46 PM
In

Tils
02-04-12, 06:19 PM
I'd say I'm in, but I'd like to finish one project first... :p

blownhemi
02-04-12, 06:43 PM
I'll be in when I clear the decks a bit. Just bought nopics a Falcon wagon that need a couple little things and rego, then re-rego my falcon and hopefully sell a few of the vehicle laying around here at the moment. This latest purchase means we'll have five EL/EF falcons here at the moment, plus three valaints and two commodores.

but I've got plans :)

Just noticed the neighbour out the back has an Excel manual sitting there looking for a home. Might have a chat with him.

MRMOPARMAN
02-04-12, 07:39 PM
ive got an AE82 corolla hatch minus engine and box if anyone wants it for the challenge.

price: $0.

OKE020
02-04-12, 07:42 PM
In, but i have no idea what car to start with, would also prefer to keep reg is i'm not man enough to trailer a car slower than 10.5 to the track :)

blownhemi
02-04-12, 07:48 PM
ive got an AE82 corolla hatch minus engine and box if anyone wants it for the challenge.

price: $0.

Sounds like a starting point to me, get to it. :)

blownhemi
02-04-12, 07:50 PM
In, but i have no idea what car to start with, would also prefer to keep reg is i'm not man enough to trailer a car slower than 10.5 to the track :)

Back issues of zoom are good research. Was looking at one today with a CC lancer coupe and a Honda Civic, both in the twelves and the Honda did it NA.

MRMOPARMAN
02-04-12, 07:59 PM
an AE82 corolla with camry drivetrain would piss it in.. would probably fit ok too ;)

scott, id love to join this but one 13's for $1300 project at a time!! i shall shout from the sidelines though :)

TD302
02-04-12, 08:20 PM
In, but i have no idea what car to start with, would also prefer to keep reg is i'm not man enough to trailer a car slower than 10.5 to the track :)

Cordial with the race box lol

morerevsm3
02-04-12, 08:30 PM
ive got an AE82 corolla hatch minus engine and box if anyone wants it for the challenge.

price: $0.
definite maybe, will let you know as soon as I check out something...

Tobed0g
02-04-12, 08:55 PM
If I had more time I'd give it a go in a stripped out TE or later V6 Fagna.

Eurorogerrevolution
02-04-12, 09:09 PM
So can I keep going with my mk1 Golf ?

farmsci
02-04-12, 09:15 PM
I think it's really cool that you found something to do with all the saabs since they went bust! I look forward to seeing saabs with sealed up wastegates boosting till they pop is the recipe here.

Mike Lowrrryyy
02-04-12, 09:16 PM
LOL 50,000% out.

ALLMTR
02-04-12, 09:16 PM
Rolled FWD Tarago stat write off
Cut off behind B pillar
Rack-it shelving from Bunnings for chassis
box trailer rear suspension
Done
.
Suzuki Sierra
Remove rear tailshaft
Moo power
Done
.
VN mooadore
hilux transfer case
Hilux front diff and str box
Done
.
BAHAHAHAA, meds is gooooddd!!!!

MRMOPARMAN
02-04-12, 09:22 PM
im in for 2014 PF minivan 13's for $1300 challenge fo' sure :)

Fraud
02-04-12, 10:08 PM
if anyone knows of a fiat Regatta 100s for sale that runs (give no fuck for rust), for $300 or less, let me know... at that point, if there is somewhere I can put such a car that will not result in me being shot (unlikely), I'll be in.. There is a Microtech D4, a Lancia Delta inlet manifold/fuel rail/reg/injectors, and a lancia delta turbo manifold that have been in my posession for YEARS waiting for this very event, which owe me a total of ~$200... cheap ebay turbo, some piping, some rust removal with extreme prejudice, and some extreme headfucks getting the D4 to work should take it from ~75kw and ~975kg to ~130kw and ~900kg.

I'm gonna keep my eyes out for such a car, and start making nice with friends who have garage space surplus to requirement.

psi999
02-04-12, 10:36 PM
tempted.... very.

V6 Magna and a 100 shot.

blownhemi
02-04-12, 11:24 PM
So can I keep going with my mk1 Golf ?

Go for it, I reckon the only cars that would be excluded are those that actually competed in the previous challenge.

blownhemi
02-04-12, 11:25 PM
LOL 50,000% out.

What? Don't want to go two for two?

OKE020
02-04-12, 11:45 PM
I think i have decided on using an x3 twin cam Hyundai excel, seems to be plenty on eBay that can be had cheap enough to maybe add a turbo under budget. I have no clue how strong they are/n't though

Sketchy
02-04-12, 11:55 PM
Fucken, I haven't even finished the first one yet :(

Might have a solid crack at armchair racing this one.

Sketchy
02-04-12, 11:59 PM
http://http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/ford-laser-1987-12357133?base=1216&vertical=Car&Range=Price:Min,2500~0.5&Page=2&eapi=2&sort=default&cr=20&__N=1246%201247%201252%201282%201216&silo=Stock&find=Turbo|CarAll

Early contender if the engine isn't fucked?

ALLMTR
03-04-12, 12:03 AM
I'm thinking gutted Camry/Magna/Maxima with a 75 shot

RNS-11Z
03-04-12, 12:05 AM
I'm entering this one. I couldn't last time, I have few things laying around too. I have an idea on a car but now I will start searching. I have a feeling i will brake budget

WRXCunt
03-04-12, 12:14 AM
Very tempted..

Liberty with ghetto turbo and fwd..?

myliberty
03-04-12, 01:24 AM
I'm with Scott. X3 twin cam. Lots of lightness.

MRMOPARMAN
03-04-12, 05:58 AM
excels arent that light. they are around 900ish (a tad more i think)

early barinas, charades etc are around 700kg! however excel engine bays are huge in comparison.

actually im suprised no-one has mentioned a hyundai S coupe turbo, or telstar turbo yet..

Jim
03-04-12, 06:26 AM
No time no room no money. Im out.
Will watch with interest tho.
I propose the next one be a diesel challenge.

tim510
03-04-12, 09:21 AM
temped. a mate has a ep91 5 door that's been left to rot.

from memory these are pretty strong stock, and can take a beating. hmmmmmmm

Mike Lowrrryyy
03-04-12, 09:36 AM
What? Don't want to go two for two?

Because unless the FWD car is doing sub 10 second quarters it's about as much fun as getting herpies from a cheap hooker with sharp teeth. Cheap read slow drag cars are about skids front wheel drive skids are not fun on a drag strip.
Anyhow you guys go hard at it and have fun.

P.S starlet...

TT
03-04-12, 10:01 AM
doesn't shane still have his starlet that he never finished from the first 13s for 1300?
someone buy that, put petrol in it and run the 13.

GSRman
03-04-12, 10:37 AM
Whens the 12's for 25K comp? - I might be in that :) good luck gents - and may god have mercy on your souls.

Jim
03-04-12, 10:42 AM
Whens the 12's for 25K comp? - I might be in that :) good luck gents - and may god have mercy on your souls.

We have still beaten you already :lol:

neet_wagon
03-04-12, 10:42 AM
In keeping with the rules, I want to put this to the masses.
What's the fair market value on a dead mid 80's Mitsubishi Colt? (Vehicle has been donated to me by the previous owner).

ALLMTR
03-04-12, 10:45 AM
$100???

The problem with little FWD's is you're trying to cut about 5 seconds off their standard time. With a Camry/Magna/Maxima you're only trying to shave 1 - 1.5 seconds

big_pete
03-04-12, 10:45 AM
In keeping with the rules, I want to put this to the masses.
What's the fair market value on a dead mid 80's Mitsubishi Colt? (Vehicle has been donated to me by the previous owner).

Mum got $40 for her Colt. and it was running.

Privatealpha
03-04-12, 10:53 AM
Gutted AE82 Corolla, 4age silver top will do mid to high 14's.
Add sticky tyres and nitrous, should get pretty close to 13's.

ALLMTR
03-04-12, 11:06 AM
Yeah nitrous 4age will get you there.

RNS-11Z
03-04-12, 11:29 AM
$100???

The problem with little FWD's is you're trying to cut about 5 seconds off their standard time. With a Camry/Magna/Maxima you're only trying to shave 1 - 1.5 seconds

this, plus if you buy a 4cyl car, it has to be doing 15sec 1/4s before you do start modding it. nitrous and ghetto tbo setups will get you there.

List of cars:
exa et turbo
sss pulsar
starlet
v6 magna
honda integra vtir

some cars maybe out of reach $$$ wise, but boostcruising and car auctions will be helpful


h

crack
03-04-12, 11:36 AM
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee289/c_r_a_c_k/untitled-9.jpg

Paydirt
03-04-12, 11:42 AM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1988-NISSAN-MAXIMA-V6-TURBO-BLUEBIRD-DATSUN-100-SUIT-COLLECTOR-NO-RESERVE-99-/110852839290?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item19cf58177a

ALLMTR
03-04-12, 11:44 AM
http://www.manheim.com.au/dv/items/3361323/1994_honda_prelude_s_coup%C3%A9?referringPage=Sear chResults

Captain_Slow
03-04-12, 12:15 PM
I think it's really cool that you found something to do with all the saabs since they went bust! I look forward to seeing saabs with sealed up wastegates boosting till they pop is the recipe here.

My thoughts exactly. Saab or maybe TX5 Turbo + more boost - unnecessary trim etc.

Captain_Slow
03-04-12, 12:17 PM
In keeping with the rules, I want to put this to the masses.
What's the fair market value on a dead mid 80's Mitsubishi Colt? (Vehicle has been donated to me by the previous owner).

I reckon whatever Simsmetal/your local tow-away mob will pay, which could be as little as nil.

crack
03-04-12, 12:17 PM
Hmmm, I have a cheap sc14 supercharger and have found a cheap k11 micra for sale... would still have nearly half the budget left too. Would need to stay registered and easily returned to roadworthy condition. Doubt it would get anywhere near 13.x sec ET though... maybe mid 14s.

tim510
03-04-12, 12:21 PM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1988-NISSAN-MAXIMA-V6-TURBO-BLUEBIRD-DATSUN-100-SUIT-COLLECTOR-NO-RESERVE-99-/110852839290?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item19cf58177a

my brothers old car. DO NOT BUY :D

Captain_Slow
03-04-12, 12:21 PM
BTW, I don't have the time/skill/space etc to take on something like this but if any of the Canberra guys are keen to do something, I'm happy to be part of that effort.

pH@tTm@N
03-04-12, 12:23 PM
saab for the win here - tough motors, free cars, they just weigh a lot
early bubble tx3 turbo FWD will 200% more f'ken whoosh? I had one 15 years ago with only zorst + boost that would be easy 14's. prob would have done 13's with slicks?

neet_wagon
03-04-12, 12:32 PM
$100???

The problem with little FWD's is you're trying to cut about 5 seconds off their standard time. With a Camry/Magna/Maxima you're only trying to shave 1 - 1.5 seconds

I'd throw the 4cyl in the bin and run something else in it

ALLMTR
03-04-12, 12:35 PM
Engine conversions are going to be even more undoable than they were in V1.0

Look at the successful cars from V1.0 and note lack of conversions

neet_wagon
03-04-12, 12:37 PM
Engine conversions are going to be even more undoable than they were in V1.0

Look at the successful cars from V1.0 and note lack of conversions

Front track width is the same according to redbook. Shoehorn + lube and it should fit

ALLMTR
03-04-12, 12:43 PM
Have you done a FWD conversion before?

Jim
03-04-12, 01:01 PM
Have you worked on a car before?
any conversion will blow the budget and take a shitload of time.
power is not the battle here. traction is.
i agree best approach will be a big car/big motor and make it very light.

neet_wagon
03-04-12, 01:09 PM
Just throwing around ideas guys...

Privatealpha
03-04-12, 01:29 PM
Old friends FXGT AE82 Corolla in New Zealand runs 14.2 seconds
Only mods are 20 valve conversion and I think a 50 shot of nitrous, and the run was done on street tyres.
Although the FXGT is a 3 door, so presumably is lighter, but i still think you wouldn't be too far off with our 5 door varients.
Just double the amount of nitrous.

Paydirt
03-04-12, 03:42 PM
my brothers old car. DO NOT BUY :D

When I read the description I thought so. :)

another, http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Honda-Legend-TURBO-/300685184154?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item46023bcc9a

pH@tTm@N
03-04-12, 03:58 PM
Im now chasing down a reb saab 9000 turbo that has blown diff. Have already been told its free, and may even start LOL. If it really does exist count me in. I imagine a FWD with a CIG locker is safe.

MRMOPARMAN
03-04-12, 04:03 PM
Id say an engine conversionto a fwd is just as doable than a engine conversion to a rwd. Fwd stuff is soooooo common at wrecking yards these days and worth nothing, and theres a suprising amount of interchangability between platforms

fer instance, 3/5S or 1mz into an early corolla wouldnt be overly hard.. Or look at iboosts mirage for inspiration. Ftos are common at wreckers now.

V6 corolla/mirage + nos = winner.

sammm
03-04-12, 04:27 PM
http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/carsales/car/private/cp4633601543749711048.jpg
http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/ford-taurus-1998-12413179?base=1216&vertical=Car&eapi=2&Page=9&sort=~Price&cr=134&__N=1246%201247%201252%201282%201216&silo=Stock&Range=Price:Min,5000~0.5

+

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MzQ0WDQwMA==/$(KGrHqN,!hME9EJJpZSvBPcoNQINJg~~60_12.JPG
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NITROUS-OXIDE-KIT-V8-WET-EFI-SNIPER-KIT-suit-FUEL-INJECTED-V8-NOS07006-/150787330202?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item231ba0109a

blownhemi
03-04-12, 05:52 PM
In keeping with the rules, I want to put this to the masses.
What's the fair market value on a dead mid 80's Mitsubishi Colt? (Vehicle has been donated to me by the previous owner).

$50? I'm more likely to say a carton of very cheap beer. It's a dead Colt, it ain't worth shit.

blownhemi
03-04-12, 05:59 PM
Went a big drive today to pick up missus's new wagon. Saw potential cars everywhere.

One particular steed was a 3.5-litre Magna Verada in Temora. It was beaten to shit and had primer/touch-up patches all over it and looked very shit. Asking price on window was $1500, but they're tripping. Looks to have been sitting there for a loooong time. I reckon $500 will take it home very easily.

Also saw a 80s?? Ford Laser but no price, but it's located 500m away so I can enquire about that anytime.

Also saw what appeared to be an AE82 Corolla Seca for $500 about 15km from home. Might go back and check that one out.

Plus there's still the Excel parked across the back lane from me.

Fuckin' cars everywhere

ALLMTR
03-04-12, 06:34 PM
Id say an engine conversionto a fwd is just as doable than a engine conversion to a rwd. Fwd stuff is soooooo common at wrecking yards these days and worth nothing, and theres a suprising amount of interchangability between platforms

fer instance, 3/5S or 1mz into an early corolla wouldnt be overly hard.. Or look at iboosts mirage for inspiration. Ftos are common at wreckers now.

V6 corolla/mirage + nos = winner.

Availability and cost aren't the problem. Not being smart but have you done a FWD conversion. They are a packaging/alignment/mounting nightmare compared to RWD and no one managed to get a RWD done in V1.0.

OKE020
03-04-12, 06:55 PM
I kind of did, must admit the old brain has been pondering this idea for most of the day

blownhemi
03-04-12, 06:58 PM
Availability and cost aren't the problem. Not being smart but have you done a FWD conversion. They are a packaging/alignment/mounting nightmare compared to RWD and no one managed to get a RWD done in V1.0.

I think the RWD challenge was too easy in some respects. Big engines, chop the weight out and you're half way there then add boost/nitrous and simmer. Any engine worth putting in a big RWD car is bucks, except the Barra motor which has it's own issues with transplants.

Small FWD's have import engines to chose from. Maybe no-one will take up the conversion challenge (my main idea involves a conversion) but with the availability of big block magna's and stuff I think we'll see people take the easier route.

Still I'm happy to see any challengers make the trip down the quarter.

Gassed250
03-04-12, 07:08 PM
Availability and cost aren't the problem. Not being smart but have you done a FWD conversion. They are a packaging/alignment/mounting nightmare compared to RWD and no one managed to get a RWD done in V1.0.

did a 3vz into early fwd celica, piece of piss conversion it even bolts to the 4 cyl box
got a camry front cut from pic a part for $500

pic of shit tin
http://www.toyotacelicas.com/forums/members/albums/8329-fibrewizard/v6-celica-conversion-pics-5-picture9-looks-like-built-celica-engine-bay.jpg

ALLMTR
03-04-12, 07:09 PM
Maybe Zoom can cover this one....

:)

blownhemi
03-04-12, 07:17 PM
Maybe Zoom can cover this one....

:)

Would be cool, but same difficulties as the first one. Cunts can't/won't/don't take photos.

ALLMTR
03-04-12, 07:22 PM
http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/carsales/car/private/cp4633601543749711048.jpg
http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/ford-taurus-1998-12413179?base=1216&vertical=Car&eapi=2&Page=9&sort=~Price&cr=134&__N=1246%201247%201252%201282%201216&silo=Stock&Range=Price:Min,5000~0.5

+

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MzQ0WDQwMA==/$(KGrHqN,!hME9EJJpZSvBPcoNQINJg~~60_12.JPG
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NITROUS-OXIDE-KIT-V8-WET-EFI-SNIPER-KIT-suit-FUEL-INJECTED-V8-NOS07006-/150787330202?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item231ba0109a

That is so PF!

RNS-11Z
03-04-12, 07:24 PM
I kind of did, must admit the old brain has been pondering this idea for most of the day

And what cars have you thought about? I been thinking about this all day too. I was even thinking about an st165 celica with a 3sge that could have a ghetto tbo set up on it

OKE020
03-04-12, 07:55 PM
I can't decide but thinking would like to stay light 4 cyl. Haha I even pondered a renault fuego with it's wacky north south engine front wheel drive setup

OKE020
03-04-12, 08:05 PM
drivetrain setup could even be repowered by moo even

Mister Black
03-04-12, 08:05 PM
I can't decide but thinking would like to stay light 4 cyl. Haha I even pondered a renault fuego with it's wacky north south engine front wheel drive setup

I think there is a ceap one on Gumtree at the moment...

blownhemi
03-04-12, 08:10 PM
The more I look at Magna's the more promising they seem, but I kind of want to do the light car thing

neet_wagon
03-04-12, 08:15 PM
The more I look at Magna's the more promising they seem, but I kind of want to do the light car thing

Magna powered light car + nos

ALLMTR
03-04-12, 08:15 PM
Magna + sawzall = "light car thing"

neet_wagon
03-04-12, 08:17 PM
Magna + sawzall = "light car thing"

Or that, lol.

MRMOPARMAN
03-04-12, 08:19 PM
Availability and cost aren't the problem. Not being smart but have you done a FWD conversion. They are a packaging/alignment/mounting nightmare compared to RWD and no one managed to get a RWD done in V1.0.

no, i havent done a FWD conversion yet. Tils isnt far off getting his done from V1.0, he only didnt finish due to time constraints iirc. but the beauty of this competition is hacking the car is encouraged, so space constraints arent reallllllly a massive problem, and in the case of the toyota i mentioned above (and maybe the mitsu too), they bolt up to the original gearboxes, or at least where the originals did, so alignment is half sorted.

im not saying its easy.. obviously going this route would be way harder than finding something decent to start off with. but isnt PF all about stuffing overly large engines into something that wasnt designed for them??

i think people going the engine conversion route should get a year to finish, just to make things more interesting.

beeraddd
03-04-12, 08:24 PM
there's heaps of shit available. first is a 1st gen hyundai. put galant/sonata 4g63 in and strap any old turbo with a vr4 galant manifold( warning gbox breaks).
second is a 121 bubble/festiva/121 metro with any of the ford/mazda twin cam 2 litres. bolt on turbo with ebay spec T3 miata turbo manifold from the states for $95U.S. (extra warning gboxs breaks lots)
3rd is old mx6/ford probe/626/telstar manual 2.5 v6's/ will do low 15's in standard trim. seen an mx-6 push 160 somethin kw's with a 2nd hand r34 turbo and stupid manifold setup.
fourth would be an old 3.5 manual magna. thats the hardest part. then try to squeeze some un-natural aspiration somehow. have seen these do 14.6 with pod filter and catback at willowbank.
then you have old toyota starlets. they have super strong gboxes. they're light and you have some options from factory turbo models overseas. surely you could put an old nissan turbo on one of these with some bigger injectors?

big_pete
03-04-12, 08:27 PM
I have a '93 Camry with a fucked engine that I would be willing to donate to the cause.

It was a slow piece of shit 4 banger so probably not suitable, but it is an auto.

Car is located at my old mans place in Cootamundra NSW though

beeraddd
03-04-12, 08:31 PM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Mazda-MX6-626-GD-Turbo-Wagon-5-SP-Manual-/150788432717?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item231bb0e34d
this would be a good start surely?

MRMOPARMAN
03-04-12, 08:44 PM
the hardest and most expensive part to doing an engine conversion would have to be wiring imho

lonewolf
03-04-12, 08:44 PM
would look at a bluebird sss (2.4)
should be able to ghetto a turbo of decent size on

MRMOPARMAN
03-04-12, 09:13 PM
V6 magna with reco engine -$300 (http://www.tradingpost.com.au/Automotive/Used-Cars/AdNumber=TP004862600)

ALLMTR
03-04-12, 09:17 PM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1988-Mazda-MX-6-Turbo-/170818288572?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item27c5903bbc

Tripper
03-04-12, 09:37 PM
potential depends on why its not running

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/ford-laser-1987-12357133?base=1216&vertical=Car&eapi=2&page=1&sort=~Price&cr=3&__N=1246%201247%201252%201282%204294966463%2042949 66439%201216&silo=Stock&Range=Price:Min,2500~0.5

Asteroid
03-04-12, 11:38 PM
if anyone knows of a fiat Regatta 100s for sale that runs (give no fuck for rust), for $300 or less, let me know... at that point, if there is somewhere I can put such a car that will not result in me being shot (unlikely), I'll be in.. There is a Microtech D4, a Lancia Delta inlet manifold/fuel rail/reg/injectors, and a lancia delta turbo manifold that have been in my posession for YEARS waiting for this very event, which owe me a total of ~$200... cheap ebay turbo, some piping, some rust removal with extreme prejudice, and some extreme headfucks getting the D4 to work should take it from ~75kw and ~975kg to ~130kw and ~900kg.

I'm gonna keep my eyes out for such a car, and start making nice with friends who have garage space surplus to requirement.
^ This cunt right here is the craziest bastard on the forum. I love it. :D

Can't wait to see this challenge. Was my idea iirc :p

Sketchy
03-04-12, 11:43 PM
Availability and cost aren't the problem. Not being smart but have you done a FWD conversion. They are a packaging/alignment/mounting nightmare compared to RWD and no one managed to get a RWD done in V1.0.

I'm running a bit late but the datsun is almost done and under budget too. FWD conversions can definitely be done, who really gives a fuck if it costs a little more. The whole idea of the challenge in the first place is to get people spannering on cars and having fun.

ALLMTR
03-04-12, 11:56 PM
Yeah I can't see a conversion being done on time or anywhere near budget but happy to be proven wrong

Captain_Slow
04-04-12, 10:13 AM
This + some sort of JDM kei turbo conversion? http://www.allclassifieds.com.au/ac/display-ad?cid=123295413

$200 V6 Magna: http://www.allclassifieds.com.au/ac/display-ad?cid=123278077

$500 V6 Camry: http://www.allclassifieds.com.au/ac/display-ad?cid=123277115

Jaz_ej20
04-04-12, 11:11 AM
Hmm mate has a v6 magna manual with a pranged front end, and i have a gt35 that is sitting spare, and a welder...

blownhemi
04-04-12, 11:57 AM
This + some sort of JDM kei turbo conversion? http://www.allclassifieds.com.au/ac/display-ad?cid=123295413

$200 V6 Magna: http://www.allclassifieds.com.au/ac/display-ad?cid=123278077

$500 V6 Camry: http://www.allclassifieds.com.au/ac/display-ad?cid=123277115

Fuck, there's some raw material to be had cheap on that website.

$150 Honda Civic http://www.allclassifieds.com.au/ac/display-ad?cid=123292865 Very tempting, kinda like the old school civics

$200 Nissan Pulsar http://www.allclassifieds.com.au/ac/display-ad?cid=123261494

$200 Corolla Seca http://www.allclassifieds.com.au/ac/display-ad?cid=123290250

$250 for a damaged '95 Astina, Good engine conversion for a Mazda 121, although ad says engine is diesel and calls it an Astima WTF?? http://www.allclassifieds.com.au/ac/display-ad?cid=123290694

$300 for a 95 Festiva http://www.allclassifieds.com.au/ac/display-ad?cid=123297834

List goes on

Fraud
04-04-12, 01:08 PM
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/werrington-county/cars/cheap-mazda-mx6/1000231457

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/st-marys/cars/mitsubishi-magna-altera-v6-auto-sedan/1000611924 <--- safer bet

or, from left field...

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/lurnea/cars/audi-80-v6-2-6e-excelent-cond-relisted-due-to-time-waster-/349296434... surley that could be made to work somehow?

sammm
04-04-12, 01:25 PM
Some inspiration for potential Magna runners.

Plymouth Duster - looks smaller/lighter than a Magna but runs the same 3.0 6G72

http://www.turbododge.com/dodge_pictures/files/4/3/9/7/Brentscar008.jpg

11.5@125 22psi $90 Stock 3.0 Junk Motor
"Stock computer and RRfpr right now. Just tune it with wideband as much as I can control."

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/member.php?252-Ondonti

BenBenDesu
04-04-12, 01:48 PM
Embarassingly enough I put together two 12-second front drive cars back when I was doing magazines. The first was an EP82 Starlet GT, stripped out. With about 100kW at the wheels and about 800kg it ran 14.4, but jumped to 13.7 with 20x8 13-inch slicks and LSD. With 122kW at the wheels it got down to a 12.5. Used to get 1.8 60-foot times.
The second car we did was a Mirage Cyborg (old square 3-door Lancer) which had a 4G61 (same as 4G63 but short stroke and 1.6 litre). This had a lot more power, about 160kW at the wheels from memory with a wet gas kit and Evo 2 turbo, but weighed over 950kg and had drag radials instead of full slicks. Had more mph but never launched as hard, usually 2.0-2.1 60-foot, so the best it got was a 12.9.

Traction and light weight really is all you need, but slicks or drag radials will take a lot of your budget. Problem 2 is no cheap FWD car has an LSD that does anything (I doubt the viscous LSD on an old Pulsar will do much good after 25 years). Welding up the diff is not a realistic option if you want to drive to the track... or turn around at the end of the strip.

If you can't find a solution to problem 2, at least find some tyres that will give you a fighting chance and make sure the car is very light (or make it very light yourself).

If you find a local version of the Cyborg (Lancer GSR) with the atmo 4G61, I still have the factory turbo and manifold from the Cyborg which would probably work well on the high compression engine with some E85. $100 if anyone wants it.

schnitzelburger
04-04-12, 01:54 PM
there are a few SR20 pulsarQ's on ebay

Fraud
04-04-12, 01:57 PM
Traction and light weight really is all you need, but slicks or drag radials will take a lot of your budget.

tyres are free :)

blownhemi
04-04-12, 02:17 PM
Embarassingly enough I put together two 12-second front drive cars back when I was doing magazines. The first was an EP82 Starlet GT, stripped out. With about 100kW at the wheels and about 800kg it ran 14.4, but jumped to 13.7 with 20x8 13-inch slicks and LSD. With 122kW at the wheels it got down to a 12.5. Used to get 1.8 60-foot times.
The second car we did was a Mirage Cyborg (old square 3-door Lancer) which had a 4G61 (same as 4G63 but short stroke and 1.6 litre). This had a lot more power, about 160kW at the wheels from memory with a wet gas kit and Evo 2 turbo, but weighed over 950kg and had drag radials instead of full slicks. Had more mph but never launched as hard, usually 2.0-2.1 60-foot, so the best it got was a 12.9.

Traction and light weight really is all you need, but slicks or drag radials will take a lot of your budget. Problem 2 is no cheap FWD car has an LSD that does anything (I doubt the viscous LSD on an old Pulsar will do much good after 25 years). Welding up the diff is not a realistic option if you want to drive to the track... or turn around at the end of the strip.

If you can't find a solution to problem 2, at least find some tyres that will give you a fighting chance and make sure the car is very light (or make it very light yourself).

If you find a local version of the Cyborg (Lancer GSR) with the atmo 4G61, I still have the factory turbo and manifold from the Cyborg which would probably work well on the high compression engine with some E85. $100 if anyone wants it.

Bloody hell, Ben Ellis, where did you creep out from? :)

BenBenDesu
04-04-12, 03:14 PM
tyres are free :)

Can I have some then? :)
I understand what you mean rules-wise, but are there actually any cheap drag tyres out there?

BenBenDesu
04-04-12, 03:16 PM
Bloody hell, Ben Ellis, where did you creep out from? :)

I live in a little cave I call Otomoto

BenBenDesu
04-04-12, 03:16 PM
It's cold here

Dogsballs
04-04-12, 03:23 PM
can you move the steering to the rear of car???

BenBenDesu
04-04-12, 03:30 PM
13-second forklifts for $1300?

ALLMTR
04-04-12, 03:52 PM
can you move the steering to the rear of car???

2:1 gearing and reversing a nitrous VN?

blownhemi
04-04-12, 03:53 PM
13-second forklifts for $1300?

Is Grant still working for you?

BenBenDesu
04-04-12, 04:16 PM
Occasionally, yes

TJ
04-04-12, 05:15 PM
I would find a Galant GSR with a n/a 4G63 - then scam a stock evo manifold from somehwere, cheap turbo, wind a heap of fuel pressure into it and tune it out with boost.

They are zippy enough non turbo, should be fairly quick and doable to budget.

redbucket
04-04-12, 05:29 PM
I would buy an auto excel for 500 bucks.

You fill in the rest..... seriously, buy the fucking thing off me.

GSRman
04-04-12, 05:55 PM
How little of the excel left will,wsid still let me run?

ALLMTR
04-04-12, 06:11 PM
How little of the excel left will,wsid still let me run?

You're still going to need > 110fwkw boosted or near 95ish NA

redbucket
04-04-12, 06:16 PM
It's only got 109k's on the clock and seems strong. NFI how the twin cam 1.5 goes with some boost up it's arse though....

Dogsballs
04-04-12, 06:22 PM
2:1 gearing and reversing a nitrous VN?
why not?!

blownhemi
04-04-12, 06:23 PM
I seem to remember martin donnon putting one into the 13's about a hundred years ago with a M45 roots blower, so I don't imagine it would take much boost to get it going.

ALLMTR
04-04-12, 06:34 PM
Didn't he do a twin tb conversion for them too?

sammm
04-04-12, 08:02 PM
I can't decide but thinking would like to stay light 4 cyl. Haha I even pondered a renault fuego with it's wacky north south engine front wheel drive setup, drivetrain setup could even be repowered by moo

This one is Delorean powered (PRV V6), how hard can it be?

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h277/renman1/DCP_0560.jpg

turbo510
04-04-12, 08:17 PM
Looked at a potential car today, just waiting to hear back on price.
It's a Camira with an Opel 2l 16v motor in it.
Plans are just to dump a big hit of NOS in to it unless I can work out an easy/cheap way to turbo it.

Tils
04-04-12, 08:34 PM
16 second quarter from a turbo fuego in street trim.... yeah, you can keep that brain fart.

blownhemi
04-04-12, 08:35 PM
Didn't he do a twin tb conversion for them too?

Yep, he tried it and it worked awesome from what I can remember.

The Zoom Excel files was my inspiration for V6 Vengeance.

TJTime
04-04-12, 08:55 PM
You can fit a 6g74 into a mirage by messing around with the roll stop mounts.

Guys in South America are in the 12's out of mirages with 6g75 380 motors.

Hell, a 6g75 in a v6 magna will get you into the high/mid 13's if you are a good driver. A magna club guy in QLD did 13.8 in his 6g75 magna.
Seeing as I own one and haven't gotten to the 13's yet, I must say I'm a pretty average driver...

MRMOPARMAN
04-04-12, 09:30 PM
Its not likely you would find a 380 drivetrain cheap enough for this challenge though.. And even then you need electrics to run somehow. A microtech D4 just wont do in this case

TJTime
04-04-12, 09:31 PM
Magna ECU will do once you unbolt the distributorless shit and whack on a dizzy

MRMOPARMAN
04-04-12, 09:37 PM
Im far from an expert on all things magna.. but surely you cant just "bang on" a distributor?

Paydirt
04-04-12, 09:44 PM
http://www.boostclassifieds.com.au/advert/806339-1985-Nissan-Pulsar-N12-ET-for-Sale.html

ALLMTR
05-04-12, 12:20 AM
I've got my feelers out for something like this

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1995-Toyota-Camry-VIENTA-Green-Sedan-/270878333572?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item3f119b5a84

This plus a sniper kit and stripping is where I'm going

Jim
05-04-12, 06:16 AM
Theres been one for sale for 800 at jesmond for ages. surely a knock on the door with 300 cash would get it.

Fraud
05-04-12, 09:23 AM
I've got my feelers out for something like this

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1995-Toyota-Camry-VIENTA-Green-Sedan-/270878333572?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item3f119b5a84

This plus a sniper kit and stripping is where I'm going

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/cranebrook/cars/toyota-camry-1989-v6/324542302 <---- that would have to be a good start if you didn't mind tracking down bits to put the front end back together...

Gassed250
05-04-12, 11:52 AM
I've got my feelers out for something like this

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1995-Toyota-Camry-VIENTA-Green-Sedan-/270878333572?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item3f119b5a84

This plus a sniper kit and stripping is where I'm going

if its the 3vz it wont like n2o

MRMOPARMAN
05-04-12, 12:24 PM
Its a 2vzfe in the camry above. 2.5l. They go ok.

The widebodys got the 3vz. Interestingly they dont really give trouble in camrys.. it was only the 4runner where they were shit.

My prediction is a camry or maxima will win. i uege people looking at v6 camrys, try to get a manual. they go soooooo much better than autos, and can handle launches

Spoonfed
05-04-12, 12:41 PM
U13 blueballs + mass weight reduction + bulkNOS? Mid 15's atmo/stock so possible?

ALLMTR
05-04-12, 06:22 PM
What's the weakness in the 3vz?

ALLMTR
05-04-12, 06:23 PM
Theres been one for sale for 800 at jesmond for ages. surely a knock on the door with 300 cash would get it.

Where abouts? I had a drive around there this arvo and couldnt find it

Gassed250
05-04-12, 09:33 PM
What's the weakness in the 3vz?

the the 3vz in the celica has had a few problems with head gaskets, you can get mls gaskets for the 3mz engine that fit the vz but the bore size is a few mm bigger

ALLMTR
05-04-12, 11:30 PM
Local wrecker has this...

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2540/surgetank2002.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/443/surgetank2002.jpg/)

http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/5865/surgetank2003.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/546/surgetank2003.jpg/)

I was looking at a Nimbus today. LOL at nitrous gutted Nimbus thoughts Bahaahhahah

Coffin
06-04-12, 12:06 AM
I think Rorge and I are in for this challenge, .... one left field idea (has been mentioned so far in here) that we came up with too, .... just needs to be discussed without Rorge passing out on the couch and spilling beer on himself

ALLMTR
06-04-12, 12:15 AM
...just needs to be discussed without Rorge passing out on the couch and spilling beer on himself

Deadline is September

Coffin
06-04-12, 12:39 AM
doubt he'll be sober by then

tut
06-04-12, 03:21 AM
what abour RWD cars running in reverse?

Gassed250
06-04-12, 09:16 AM
I nearly bought a mini a few years back that was running a holden 6 and it was still fwd, the bloke that built it had passed away and his wife only wanted $1500

Tyrie
06-04-12, 04:08 PM
Dont know if they've been mentioned (haven't read all 5 pages) but this and it's twin (in red!) will be Auctioned for charity in cairns on 21st April. Buy one cheap and strip it+slicks :)

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/420243_336924559692447_282327078485529_1029823_892 441553_n.jpg

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/419482_340827045968865_282327078485529_1040060_174 9031476_n.jpg

irsa76
06-04-12, 05:04 PM
TS Magna V6 manual would be a good tip, iirc they are sub 1300kg if you find an Exec. Don't bother with the auto as they are lazy. Don't bother with Verada or TE on unless you find a 3.5 manual as they are heavier. The 3.5 is a headfuck to fit into the early models as they turned the engines around BUT the DOHC twin turbo out of the GTO/3000GT does fit.
Another cheap option is the old GD 626 turbo/MX6 turbo. Wind the boost up and hand on, best make sure you only do solo passes with these though due to torque steer. Actually found a mx6 turbo for $500, engine overheated, on line.

MRMOPARMAN
06-04-12, 08:48 PM
3.5 V6 manual magna (http://www.manheim.com.au/damaged-vehicles/3366723/mitsubishi-magna-si-sedan?referringPage=SearchResults)

Motherfucker Jones
06-04-12, 09:04 PM
I think Rorge and I are in for this challenge, .... one left field idea (has been mentioned so far in here) that we came up with too, .... just needs to be discussed without Rorge passing out on the couch and spilling beer on himself

Take the tailshaft out of the liberty?

ALLMTR
06-04-12, 09:20 PM
3.5 V6 manual magna (http://www.manheim.com.au/damaged-vehicles/3366723/mitsubishi-magna-si-sedan?referringPage=SearchResults)

Huge damage for a stat writeoff :rolleyes:

buzz
06-04-12, 09:57 PM
Huge damage for a stat writeoff :rolleyes:

The ash tray was full....

I reckon a stupendous shedload of weight could be shed from one of those. Would look good with a set of bolt on flares up front and front runners on the rear!

MRMOPARMAN
06-04-12, 10:06 PM
Huge damage for a stat writeoff :rolleyes:
yeah your right, its too far gone for this challenge. :p

ALLMTR
06-04-12, 10:14 PM
Surely people aren't doing unregistered cars for this challenge??? Fucked if I'd be towing a 13 second car to the track.

I might go to that Newy auction as I think we have a Magna not on the WOVR at the local yard

ALLMTR
06-04-12, 10:16 PM
Dont know if they've been mentioned (haven't read all 5 pages) but this and it's twin (in red!) will be Auctioned for charity in cairns on 21st April. Buy one cheap and strip it+slicks :)

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/420243_336924559692447_282327078485529_1029823_892 441553_n.jpg


http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/419482_340827045968865_282327078485529_1040060_174 9031476_n.jpg

More info????

Mister Black
06-04-12, 10:22 PM
Surely people aren't doing unregistered cars for this challenge??? Fucked if I'd be towing a 13 second car to the track.


Fucked if I could be bothered registering a car if I was just going to thrash it around for this. :)

Jim
06-04-12, 10:27 PM
Chuck it is on wilkinson av jesmond near,king st. was in front of a big shitty black box trailer.

smee
07-04-12, 12:11 AM
Can I run the wifes car.
$600 + from Boost Losing + exhaust. Already had semi's

http://sport.mwp.id.au/photo/eNpdjssOwiAQRX-lmb08WutjunKlm35Dg4gWA4UIvmL8d8FqYtzNuTdzZgQu8RGwQ vBaQhNwOkfYaGOk0XYbaMl4OWHTCeNFG4uVsaJotVG0a9fdjFc zcvSHvMYRbtBoXDA20j1TXVVZibBPxhzkskaQQvYqMx859me7_ ekHF1V4a0uE_1NJZ9zBfZ-lvbOK2qvvxDnNIaodDd6dIkkZ0TuSYndRJyPuxA9vw2I0dF7Gj 5CRmkHzfAFmw1DI

MRMOPARMAN
07-04-12, 12:23 AM
Surely people aren't doing unregistered cars for this challenge??? Fucked if I'd be towing a 13 second car to the track.

I might go to that Newy auction as I think we have a Magna not on the WOVR at the local yard

Did anyone register their car for the 1st 13s 4 $1300?

ALLMTR
07-04-12, 12:32 AM
Most of those were a lot faster than high 13's. I think high 13's will be a struggle FWD for $1300

MRMOPARMAN
08-04-12, 07:59 PM
theres a hyundai lantra on facebook in central vic for sale. has the EVO style motor in it. and they only want $300.

get vr4 turbo gear, strip it to within an inch of its life?

ill get the number if anyones interested.

patrick_h_oz
08-04-12, 10:47 PM
I was about to get rid of my ex-daily N13 Pullstart until this came along. Healthy 1.6 TBI engine, almost rustfree and pretty straight. I paid the rego again, so driving it around isn't going to be an issue:)

I pulled the stereo out of it yesterday, and most of the interior today. Plan A is to lighten it as much as possible, then run high octane fuel and more advance. I'm trying to find out the flow rate etc of the single injector so I can upgrade either the injector or the fuel pressure and run E85. I have a couple of alternative plans and a stack of left over/spare parts if that doesn't do the job. There's a T25, 3 sets of injectors, stock intercoolers, VL high pressure fuel pump.. lots of crap!

I was always tempted to do something crazy with this car... and now I have the excuse! :D

blownhemi
09-04-12, 08:40 AM
Can one of the mods create a new "13s for $1300 FWD Challenge" section and move this thread there. That way guys have a place to create new build threads for their projects.

ALLMTR
09-04-12, 10:12 AM
Probably easier to move the completed/continuing projects to "street cars" and lose the others...

noobd
09-04-12, 10:20 AM
Make another section, much less confusing.

blownhemi
09-04-12, 10:28 AM
Nah, don't lose the others, there's some interesting stuff in there. we don't want to lose the Helltruck! :)

crack
09-04-12, 10:43 AM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1991-Nissan-NX-Coupe-/260998713243?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item3cc4bc4f9b

$399 ono SR20 powered egg

Kiahatsiu
10-04-12, 10:43 AM
Auto though crack.

Mister Black
10-04-12, 11:48 AM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Nissan-EXA-Turbo-/230774600200?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item35bb3cf208#ht_500wt_1413

OKE020
10-04-12, 04:10 PM
I seen that wheeless exa on a trailer on Ipswich mororway last week I think. Been looking for ca18 exas it pulsar vectors too

sammm
10-04-12, 04:59 PM
if anyone knows of a fiat Regatta 100s for sale that runs (give no fuck for rust), for $300 or less, let me know... at that point, if there is somewhere I can put such a car that will not result in me being shot (unlikely), I'll be in.. There is a Microtech D4, a Lancia Delta inlet manifold/fuel rail/reg/injectors, and a lancia delta turbo manifold that have been in my posession for YEARS waiting for this very event, which owe me a total of ~$200... cheap ebay turbo, some piping, some rust removal with extreme prejudice, and some extreme headfucks getting the D4 to work should take it from ~75kw and ~975kg to ~130kw and ~900kg.

I'm gonna keep my eyes out for such a car, and start making nice with friends who have garage space surplus to requirement.

Will a Croma do? (1025kg according to wiki)

http://www.tradingpost.com.au/is-bin/intershop.static/WFS/Telstra-TradingPost-Site/Telstra-TradingPost/en_AU/UserImages/volume1/jc/kQ/jcEKoQwkkjMAAAE13ZBb_bkQ/XH/Ag/XHYKoQwm5j8AAAE1hYoTPuAg/Resized/Resized640x480_IMG_0776.JPG

http://www.tradingpost.com.au/Automotive/Used-Cars/AdNumber=TP005068303

pH@tTm@N
10-04-12, 05:07 PM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Daihatsu-Charade-Turbo-G100-CB60-CB61-/280860010495?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item41648fa7ff

Fraud
10-04-12, 08:37 PM
Will a Croma do? (1025kg according to wiki)

god dammit, it'd probably actually be better cause I'd be starting with a 2L, and can use the standard inlet manifold... although removing/bypassing the standard ECU might be a challenge, esp with the auto box in there... life is too short to do the manual conversion even though the car comes with the gearbox...

of course I'll still get shot if I try to bring home another car, and haven't solved the problem of where to put it all... if someone else wants to do it and can store it, I'll throw in the parts that I've got, and go halves with all other costs along the way... but there will be some challenges...

ALLMTR
10-04-12, 10:24 PM
I think Rorge and I are in for this challenge, .... one left field idea (has been mentioned so far in here) that we came up with too, .... just needs to be discussed without Rorge passing out on the couch and spilling beer on himself

I was looking through a model specific forum for sale section today.....

Nick B
10-04-12, 10:55 PM
Im in on this.. have a lead on a car will know after the weekend. also another car for you fellas to think about eunos 30x, small, V6 and bet id go close with a shot of gas and a good launch. if you can handle no room in the engine bay lol.

patrick_h_oz
11-04-12, 12:28 AM
if anyone has an 18LE taking up room in their garage I have a home for it, well the top end anyway. PM me!

Sketchy
11-04-12, 11:35 AM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1991-Nissan-NX-Coupe-/260998713243?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item3cc4bc4f9b

$399 ono SR20 powered egg

Is that a q45 Infinity sitting next to it?


http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Nissan-EXA-Turbo-/230774600200?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item35bb3cf208#ht_500wt_1413

Passed this on Saturday while out for a ride on Saturday. Looks haggard as fuck, but then again I'd hardly expect a bright orange exa to look anything but.

crack
11-04-12, 12:08 PM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1993-Nissan-Infiniti-Sedan-/260986741063?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item3cc405a147

indeed it is

GSRman
11-04-12, 02:18 PM
will somone just go to the for sale, buy that lancer with the vr4 motor, up the boost, strip it and run a 13 already?

INFLYT
11-04-12, 03:25 PM
TS Magna V6 manual would be a good tip, iirc they are sub 1300kg if you find an Exec. Don't bother with the auto as they are lazy. Don't bother with Verada or TE on unless you find a 3.5 manual as they are heavier. The 3.5 is a headfuck to fit into the early models as they turned the engines around BUT the DOHC twin turbo out of the GTO/3000GT does fit.
Another cheap option is the old GD 626 turbo/MX6 turbo. Wind the boost up and hand on, best make sure you only do solo passes with these though due to torque steer. Actually found a mx6 turbo for $500, engine overheated, on line.

Wont happen in the 626, already tried (see pics).
My MX-6 Turbo I am doing should break a 13.99, but overbudget considerably.

Fraud
11-04-12, 03:34 PM
what times did you manage in the 626? any weight stripped out? other mods? that was an option I was discussing with a mate...

INFLYT
11-04-12, 03:53 PM
what times did you manage in the 626? any weight stripped out? other mods? that was an option I was discussing with a mate...

Best E.T was a 17.3.
No weight out, was boosted only with an old t piece.
Was a very tired 360000 kilometre example though that had never been serviced, so a fresher one may yield better results.

NXTIME
11-04-12, 04:58 PM
(a) SR20 pulsars + cheap turbo conversion
or
(b) TM-TP Magna 2.6 with cheap turbo conversion (factory turbo manifold off USA Starion $50-$100 and easier to find than a Sigma turbo one).

MRMOPARMAN
11-04-12, 06:59 PM
Best E.T was a 17.3.
No weight out, was boosted only with an old t piece.
Was a very tired 360000 kilometre example though that had never been serviced, so a fresher one may yield better results.

something has to be seriously wrong with that for it to be that slow surely?

stock but stripped out AE82 twin cams with good tyres do high 15's. i would have expected an mx6T or TX5 to own a dirty old corolla?

Mister Black
11-04-12, 07:17 PM
The 2 door should be a little lighter too.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MAZDA-MX-6-2-2L-TURBO-5-SPEED-MANUAL-4WS-GD-SERIES-2-NO-RESERVE-ALLOYS-CLEAN-/320882435011?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item4ab61563c3

Jim
11-04-12, 09:48 PM
This for $5 could be many LOL's
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Peugeot-605-SV-1995-4D-Sedan-4-SP-Automatic-3L-Multi-Point-F-INJ-/200741595757?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item2ebd21aa6d

Coffin
12-04-12, 10:01 PM
Fully running MX6 Turbo Manual just acquired for $500

buzz
12-04-12, 10:09 PM
Fully running MX6 Turbo Manual just acquired for $500

$800 = lawtz of nawz

Motherfucker Jones
12-04-12, 10:26 PM
Fully running MX6 Turbo Manual just acquired for $500

Haha. Fuckheads…

ALLMTR
12-04-12, 10:27 PM
Is that that Newy one?

PS http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Ford-Capri-Turbo-1989-Convertible-5-SP-Manual-1-6L-Turbo-EFI-/180859525347?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item2a1c1158e3

Coffin
12-04-12, 10:54 PM
Nah, local canberra car ... was on ebay for a couple days, ... no offers at $650 .. offered 500 and he took it

ALLMTR
12-04-12, 11:01 PM
Pics, thread?

Coffin
13-04-12, 09:08 AM
will be pics when i get some and when its at home

Imposter Forg
13-04-12, 11:38 AM
damn, was trying to ring george about a $300 saab 9000 turbo...

pH@tTm@N
13-04-12, 11:47 AM
my saab 9000 fell through. it started, but whole gearbox and diff was done for, rang around couldnt find a manaul anywhere and all said would be $1500.... fffffffffFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

BenBenDesu
13-04-12, 02:52 PM
Fully running MX6 Turbo Manual just acquired for $500

Excellent choice, had a customer come in with one of these recently that runs low 12s, still looks stock.

INFLYT
13-04-12, 03:02 PM
Excellent choice, had a customer come in with one of these recently that runs low 12s, still looks stock.

Any idea what mods it had?

BenBenDesu
13-04-12, 03:14 PM
GT30, custom manifold, forgies, loads of boost. Nothing too surprising.

Tils
13-04-12, 04:07 PM
Should there be a subsection in the 13 4 1300's for the FWD cars now?

BenBenDesu
13-04-12, 04:51 PM
Isn't this it?

blownhemi
13-04-12, 05:01 PM
Isn't this it?

Nah, last time the 13s for $1300 challenge had it's own sub-forum and was filled with build threads.

turbo510
13-04-12, 05:03 PM
I was just given something like this (as in take it or it's going to the tip)
56435

I actually owned the thing when I was 12 and it ended up as a paddock basher at a mates farm

It's Morris 1100 based, not sure if it runs but it weighs fuck all.

Is there any way I would be allowed to run it up the 1/4?
Heathcote and Calder are my local tracks.

blownhemi
13-04-12, 05:06 PM
As cool as it is, it doesn't really fit into the spirit of the challenge which is about taking complete cars and modding them to do what we want. Otherwise we'd all cut the roofs off various cars or build pipe frame chassis.

crack
13-04-12, 05:50 PM
my mate has a $500 ono 4g93t engine, harness, computer, etc. (up to flywheel) for sale if anyone is interested (pm me).

turbo510
13-04-12, 07:19 PM
As cool as it is, it doesn't really fit into the spirit of the challenge which is about taking complete cars and modding them to do what we want. Otherwise we'd all cut the roofs off various cars or build pipe frame chassis.

So does that mean my idea of taking to a v6 Magna with a sawzall like in this article http://www.rcramer.com/fun/econobox/ is no good.

I thought this was pretty much a run what you brung sort of deal

ALLMTR
13-04-12, 07:45 PM
Yeah I reckon do whatever you want (cut roof etc) but you need to start with a "car" not a kart

Tils
13-04-12, 07:58 PM
Yeah I reckon do whatever you want (cut roof etc) but you need to start with a "car" not a kart

Would the drag strip officials even allow that to run without a roof?

blownhemi
13-04-12, 08:03 PM
don't want to be a party pooper but read the original rules

blownhemi
13-04-12, 08:05 PM
Would the drag strip officials even allow that to run without a roof?



I doubt it

ALLMTR
13-04-12, 08:11 PM
Heathcote probably would

ALLMTR
13-04-12, 08:13 PM
don't want to be a party pooper but read the original rules

??

Dogsballs
13-04-12, 08:18 PM
Heathcote probably would
good old russell!

blownhemi
13-04-12, 08:22 PM
Heathcote probably would

Not these days, they've still got the coroner on their backs after the jap guy killed himself in the jetcar.

I'm not actually allowed back to film or take photos without proof of insurance, that's how serious they're taking things these days.

blownhemi
13-04-12, 08:23 PM
??

From the original rules


You can remove anything you like from the car, but it must appear roadworthy.

ALLMTR
13-04-12, 08:29 PM
Convertibles appear roadworthy....

Tils
13-04-12, 08:31 PM
I'm pretty sure they would frown on major structural removal. Jussayin

pH@tTm@N
13-04-12, 08:57 PM
we could add a monster garage style vechicle must appear to be stock? with equal loose adhearance to that rule.

I'm DJ!
13-04-12, 09:19 PM
He's asking about $1100, t25, microtech, 390cc injectors, manifold all brand new to suit a honda civic.

http://www.supraforums.com.au/forum/parts-sale/76754-fs-turbo-microtech-manifold-turbo-dump-pipe-injectors.html

ALLMTR
13-04-12, 09:36 PM
You know the complete budget incl car is $1300, yeah?

ferdie
13-04-12, 09:38 PM
just got a spare mightyboy for 200.

starlet motor/box or a rolla 4age cut??

just a thought...

ALLMTR
13-04-12, 09:43 PM
just got a spare mightyboy for 200.

starlet motor/box or a rolla 4age cut??

just a thought...

Neither will fit in the front. Moo motor in tray running forward to a Sierra diff...

ferdie
13-04-12, 09:58 PM
but the 1gz with stock exhaust fits between the chassis rails??

there is a guy on the mightyboy forum that is fitting the turbo starlet combo, its in the bay already so i believe it will fit. coule be engineered as well.

the track on the rolla is a couple inches wider so im guessing the 4age would be problematic to fit

morerevsm3
13-04-12, 10:06 PM
just got a spare mightyboy for 200.

starlet motor/box or a rolla 4age cut??

just a thought...

1000cc+ bike motor...just saying

Tils
13-04-12, 10:08 PM
I have a 750cc gixxer donk that produces 100rwkw. It weighs about 80kg. It would work well...

ALLMTR
13-04-12, 10:13 PM
I have a 2555cc Honda donk that should produce about 1080rwhp on E85. It would work well but will put you a bit over budget...

Tils
13-04-12, 10:16 PM
you are one confused individual, ALLMTR...

ALLMTR
13-04-12, 10:28 PM
What makes you say that?

Tils
13-04-12, 10:41 PM
I have a 2555cc Honda donk that should produce about 1080rwhp on E85. It would work well but will put you a bit over budget...

Some issues of understatement with no italics ;)

ALLMTR
13-04-12, 10:48 PM
Everything in that post is 100% truth

Tils
13-04-12, 10:51 PM
What, exactly, would be original honda, and how far out of budget in the end would you approximate?

ALLMTR
13-04-12, 10:56 PM
A fair bit and a fair bit, it'll owe me over 20k...

But anyway, I reckon a stripped out NX coupe would be a good thing but would probably need a gassin'

milo
14-04-12, 12:19 AM
Someone buy THIS (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Mitsubishi-Magna-1998-fully-sick-shitbox-its-ugly-but-bounces-sweeeet-/320886935511?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item4ab65a0fd7#ht_1104wt_932)

MRMOPARMAN
14-04-12, 12:14 PM
ex victorian taxi by the looks of it.. will be fucked

noobd
14-04-12, 06:22 PM
Someone buy THIS (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Mitsubishi-Magna-1998-fully-sick-shitbox-its-ugly-but-bounces-sweeeet-/320886935511?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item4ab65a0fd7#ht_1104wt_932)

lol at description

Nick B
15-04-12, 08:41 PM
How are people going with their car searches? i think everyone on the gold coast is on drugs.. everyone wants heaps of coin for a fucked car, i saw a hyundai excel twin cam today looked beaten to shit, wouldnt let my dog sleep in it and it had 1500 on the window lol, i thought id be easy to find a car considering the price of scrap isnt at its best atm..

Nick

ALLMTR
15-04-12, 09:11 PM
I;m not buying anything unless a hell bargain comes a-knocking until my current DD has been to Perth and back next month to pick up my new car. There is a 3.5 Magna at the local wrecker but I think he wants 1k for it

MRMOPARMAN
15-04-12, 09:38 PM
excels generally get swapped for fish tanks and 6 packs in victoria. ill keep an eye open for yas.

ALLMTR
15-04-12, 09:45 PM
The single cams are worth nothing but every TC I;ve seen has been, like, hundreds of dollars

Captain_Slow
16-04-12, 11:50 AM
Twin cam didn't gain much IIRC, about 7kW? Hardly worth too much effort to find one.

ALLMTR
16-04-12, 01:15 PM
They drive completely different. I wouldn't even bother with a single cam

da9jeff
16-04-12, 02:19 PM
Allmtr: K24 stroker, and not "allmtr" I assume?

RNS-11Z
16-04-12, 02:43 PM
im still looking for a car. in the next couple of weeks im going to the auctions. heaps of bargains there

sammm
16-04-12, 03:10 PM
http://www.tradingpost.com.au/is-bin/intershop.static/WFS/Telstra-TradingPost-Site/Telstra-TradingPost/en_AU/UserImages/volume1/yX/ep/yXIKoQwiVFcAAAEut5lYIdep/kV/dU/kVIKoQwkTDIAAAE1JpJbZMdU/Resized/Resized640x480_nissan%20maxima%20sale%20001.jpg

http://www.tradingpost.com.au/Automotive/Used-Cars/AdNumber=TP005071073

TT
16-04-12, 03:33 PM
in the back of my mind I seem to remember someone running 13s with one of those maximas with NAAAAAAAAWS

And that one is close to me so I could go check it out and let you know that it is indeed a $500 car.

Spoonfed
16-04-12, 03:53 PM
Say one could obtain a free 05 CBR1000engine & associated 'runnings', that put down about 168hp at the wheel, what car would one be best to fit such a power plant too :) . Niki650 comes to mind for max lol's, but it's RWD and you PF are all into this FWD fagotree

Mister Black
16-04-12, 07:06 PM
in the back of my mind I seem to remember someone running 13s with one of those maximas with NAAAAAAAAWS

And that one is close to me so I could go check it out and let you know that it is indeed a $500 car.

I've heard the auto boxes are pretty weak, not sure how true that is or how weak they are if it is.

That being said, Americans are a weird bunch so there are plenty of them with heavily modified Maximas so a lot of the trial and error has been done for you there.

ALLMTR
16-04-12, 07:37 PM
Allmtr: K24 stroker, and not "allmtr" I assume?

My drunken stupor took this OT but yes K based and turbo

morerevsm3
16-04-12, 09:24 PM
Say one could obtain a free 05 CBR1000engine & associated 'runnings', that put down about 168hp at the wheel, what car would one be best to fit such a power plant too :) . Niki650 comes to mind for max lol's, but it's RWD and you PF are all into this FWD fagotree
suzuki mighty boy, subaru sherpa, early suzuki swift

MRMOPARMAN
16-04-12, 09:42 PM
subaru fioriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

vet 180
17-04-12, 02:19 AM
Surely an n13 1.8 with ebay spec turbo is the obvious choice here

rx213b
17-04-12, 03:52 PM
there's nothing stopping anyone getting a junker subaru (say leone or similar fwd 80's version) and stuffing a wrx frontcut in it

blownhemi
17-04-12, 04:05 PM
there's nothing stopping anyone getting a junker subaru (say leone or similar fwd 80's version) and stuffing a wrx frontcut in it

Nothing at all, in fact it'd be interesting to see.

big_pete
17-04-12, 04:09 PM
What does a WRX front cut cost though?

blownhemi
17-04-12, 04:21 PM
What does a WRX front cut cost though?

I thought engines might be pretty cheap seeing I knocked back a free one once, but on investigation they seem stupidly expensive

rx213b
17-04-12, 04:25 PM
must explode frequently because of the penisheads behind the wheel