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OKE020
22-04-12, 11:27 PM
Been looking out for an excel, found one tonight, bit the bullet and got it for $550. Its a 98 model manual twin cam with working AC and no powersteer. 189,000kms. The car was unregistered and looks to of been in a paddock at some stage. The paint is rather crap but atleast its not one of the weird colours. I could not really test drive but it started and ran ok, clutch felt ok and all the gears seem to be there. Upon driving it onto the trailer it has a noisy CV joint which is a bit annoying, hopefully i can barter a second handy.

Got it back to the shop and degreased and pressure washed it. Looks to have been recently serviced but at some stage in its life it hasnt as it looks pretty poo inside. Engine sounds ok, tested the limiter a few times, threw some carby cleaner down the throttle body for good measure haha.

Here are some pictures complete with water enhanced glass effect.

http://www.oke020.com/store/images/3641.jpg
http://www.oke020.com/store/images/3642.jpg
http://www.oke020.com/store/images/3643.jpg

I dont know a great deal about these engines, it appears to be map sensed which should be a bonus over an afm when adding some boost. Plan is to build an injector flow bench, find some injectors with enough flow to run the standard map on eflex. Add an intank pump, 1-3 reg, upstream injector/s with some sort of getto control, one of the twin turbos off a gtr (got one here), little IC etc. The cressida got away with some crazy ignition timing on eflex so hopefully i can run enough boost to get 102-105mph out of it which should let it run a high 13 with fwd disadvantage.

Streety
22-04-12, 11:39 PM
Good purchase! I have a similar one I use for QR dirt sprints (practice only atm).

get onto pickles or manheim damaged auctions, you should be able to get a whole damaged car for $250 with all the spares you will ever need

ALLMTR
22-04-12, 11:39 PM
Awesomesauce!

blownhemi
22-04-12, 11:48 PM
Great to see someone bite the bullet.

Once I get a few things out of the road I hope to throw my hat into the ring too.

fly510
22-04-12, 11:53 PM
This is cool. Surely these things will be a perfect for a ghetto turbo setup and in fact a ceramic exhaust wheel GTR turbo would go ok - s15 BOV & front mount cooler setup?

OKE020
23-04-12, 12:10 AM
Not sure it will even need a bov, got a 400x300x76 cooler i pulled out if the Gemini when I upgraded it. I could sell that to myself. The pair of gtr turbos I have are .64 turbine housings and look similar in size to a t25. Think I have a set of 2nd hand excel headers I can cut the flange off too.

I have plenty of other stuff on at the moment so can't promise a speedy turn around, I do like this sort of thing though :)

OKE020
23-04-12, 12:16 AM
The whole differential thing worries me too, I don't think any LSD or mech locker setup is going to be budget friendly. Welded centre won't be an option on this as it will be a road car.

fly510
23-04-12, 12:16 AM
if they are GTR turbos they are much bigger then the nissan t25 option. I'm pretty sure they are bigger again on the exhaust side than the s14/15 T28 but same on the intake, either way no doubt you'll make it work.

The best bit is you don't have to feel guilty about stripping the guts out of an excel.

ALLMTR
23-04-12, 12:20 AM
The whole differential thing worries me too, I don't think any LSD or mech locker setup is going to be budget friendly. Welded centre won't be an option on this as it will be a road car.

I ran 12's with an open centre FWD diff

RNS-11Z
23-04-12, 12:24 AM
awesome, cant wait to see this completed

Paddington
23-04-12, 02:38 PM
I secretly like this too.

maybe check forums like BMSC for spares from the rally guys

OKE020
23-04-12, 03:25 PM
http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=KC5382&form=CAT2&SUBCATID=965#11 would run an additional injector ok, extend the trimpot onto the dash for fine tuning, activate it off a hobb switch or pressure switch. 2 setups even to give 2 points of resolution on boost

Dave
23-04-12, 06:42 PM
that jaycar thing is awesome,I might have to use that on the VK for extra fuelling :)

Is the injector pulse time preset on the board or can you adjust it?

OKE020
23-04-12, 07:01 PM
Looks to be adjustable, they also sell an adjustable pwm motor controller that is a bit dearer but preassembled with an external pot

OKE020
23-04-12, 07:04 PM
http://www.jaycar.com.au/productResults.asp?keywords=Pwm+motor+controller&keyform=KEYWORD&SUBMIT.x=27&SUBMIT.y=13

TD302
23-04-12, 08:41 PM
Heard the cv's today they'll love boost.. Lol

nine2nine
23-04-12, 09:08 PM
Have the fixed the manual gearboxes on these? A mate with an earlier excel went through four in about two years with just a stock car.

OKE020
23-04-12, 09:31 PM
Hoping sensible type driving might help it live

ALLMTR
23-04-12, 09:36 PM
Cv's will be fine in a straight line.

The twin cam boxes are just over 9 times better than the earlier ones.

Guido
23-04-12, 09:38 PM
Hoping sensible type driving might help it live

I see a flaw in your theory.

Paddington
23-04-12, 09:47 PM
Have the fixed the manual gearboxes on these? A mate with an earlier excel went through four in about two years with just a stock car.

Also, The nasty clutches that were factory fitted used to give off so much dust that they jammed starter motors

myliberty
23-04-12, 09:55 PM
these things are strangled at the throttle.

bung a bigger throttle body on it and change nothing else and you will have a noticeable seat of the pants improvement.

fro
23-04-12, 10:13 PM
As has been said, twin-cam boxes are much, much better than the earlier boxes.

CVs/driveshafts should be fine if you put some in that aren't fucked to start with. The engines are notorious for being full of sludge, having probably only ever had 2 oil changes in 200,000kms. Flush some fresh oil through it in quick succession and get rid of the gunge, and it will be fine. Clutch slave cylinders are also a common fault, as are the gear shift cables and particularly the cable ends.

Will be interesting to see how this goes with a turbo. I'm thinking about picking up another cheapie just for shits and giggles and motorkhana goodness.

OKE020
23-04-12, 11:24 PM
Sounds like good news on the gearbox front then. I plan to run a bit of diesel in the oil in an attempt to de glug it. Got to pull the sump to fix leak and do oil return so can check the pickup etc while in there.

Can't seem to find what size the stock injectors are on the net. Think it's about time I built a flow bench anyway.

ALLMTR
23-04-12, 11:30 PM
180cc rings a bell...

Sketchy
24-04-12, 12:01 AM
these things are strangled at the throttle.

bung a bigger throttle body on it and change nothing else and you will have a noticeable seat of the pants improvement.

Donnon did a twin throttle setup on one of these in an early issue of Zoom before it got supercharged and made some serious extra power, 20-30hp from memory. Turbocharging negates any need for that carry on however.

One of these with twin throttles and happy gas would be some lols though.......

myliberty
24-04-12, 12:11 AM
That's what I'd do.

Bigger throttle/manifold, extractors and a healthy shot of NOS. job done.

ALLMTR
24-04-12, 12:17 AM
That's what I'd do.

Bigger throttle/manifold, extractors and a healthy shot of NOS. Clutch done.

fixored

muttaburra
24-04-12, 09:48 AM
2 ltr from lantra bolts straight in. they made a 110kw version. with some gas, i have thought about that before. the 130kw v6 also fits.

Paddington
24-04-12, 10:53 AM
the twin throttle bodies was a kit. In the process of my grand scheme of selling everything that isn't bolted down, I'm sure I flicked through some old FFR and H4's the other day with ads for excel stuff. Surely those old workshops are still around?

someone on bmsc was giving away an excel not that long ago

OKE020
24-04-12, 07:25 PM
Had this on the hoist this afternoon, actually looks to be enough room to adapt the turbo straight onto the bottom of the exhaust manifold and still maybe have a down hill run to the sump for the oil return.

Car goes for an rwc on thursday, once registered I can start tinkering :) I am really going to have to force myself to not do something about the paint and panel.

Tripper
24-04-12, 10:18 PM
Since you are planning on getting rego on it and keeping it, the paint and panels should be counted in the budget unless you get a performance gain or weight saving from it.

TD302
24-04-12, 10:21 PM
Yeah rwc first as I don't think he'll pass the quad compound blower setup out the bonnet lol

Streety
24-04-12, 10:29 PM
are you aware that the sonata running gear with 4g63 fits into a excel engine bay!
buy a evo ecu $200 and bolt your turbo to it and you're away

Greasystick
25-04-12, 12:47 PM
This thread is relevant to my interests.... Intending to hit this thing with cheap boost later on

http://www.excelrally.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=2504&referrerid=572

Let me know if you need any information or bits and pieces from our spares collection

Streety
25-04-12, 01:41 PM
This thread is relevant to my interests.... Intending to hit this thing with cheap boost later on

http://www.excelrally.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=2504&referrerid=572

Let me know if you need any information or bits and pieces from our spares collection

That is a great read

MRMOPARMAN
25-04-12, 01:43 PM
i can so see excels being the new PF 'beater' hotness after these threads

OKE020
25-04-12, 02:59 PM
Lol at the track slag, appears I was too generous maybe at 550 :)

lonewolf
25-04-12, 03:11 PM
lol at piston in the sump

Motherfucker Jones
25-04-12, 04:33 PM
Removing the gauze from the oil pump pickup prevents carbon and sludge from blocking the pickup :D

Terribleone
25-04-12, 09:40 PM
I bought one last night with a broken clutch slave for $400.

Excels are the new E30?

E-Z
25-04-12, 11:14 PM
i need more excel

TT
26-04-12, 10:18 AM
Excels are the new E30?

No.. No they're definitely not!

OKE020
26-04-12, 09:58 PM
Roadworthiness & cv jointedness sorted

E-Z
26-04-12, 10:07 PM
handbrakeup,frontwheelspinning.jpg not loading for anyone else?

myliberty
26-04-12, 10:34 PM
There is a maccas 75m from your shop and still no videos of maccas trays under back wheels with handbrake on.

Paddington
27-04-12, 10:11 AM
i can so see excels being the new PF 'beater' hotness after these threads

I think so too. Was googling engine and transmission swaps last night. WTFAMIDOING.

Paddington
27-04-12, 10:13 AM
double posting, fuck this forum shit.

OKE020
27-04-12, 07:31 PM
Rego obtained, no Power steer is shit but otherwise it drives well, seems to be quite thrifty, I suspect it should be quite fun with some boost. Am thinking 13s is going to be a big ask but maybe just doable

Greasystick
27-04-12, 07:37 PM
They are soooo much better with power steering. Have it in both the rally car and the slag. Power racks are less than $200 from the wreckers second hand, and pumps aren't worth much. PAS racks are quicker lock to lock as well - might help once you have 11ty billion angry Korean horsepowers?

Surely this could be considered a safety or RWC item??

Et!
28-04-12, 09:45 PM
so he can quickly change the direction of the wheels while the car keeps going straight.

OKE020
28-04-12, 10:45 PM
Wet roads let me test the wheelspin handling haha. I feel 17 again

Jim
01-05-12, 11:48 PM
something not right with a drag car that gets 8L/100 :lol:

OKE020
02-05-12, 07:41 PM
Quick trip to willow just now, complete stock bar no air box as could not be stuffed putting it back on. First pass 18.4 going easy in tr gearbox, 2nd pass improved to a stonking 16.9 @ 78 treating it mean and cleaning the teeth in the change to 4th. I reckon maybe a 16.6 is possible but that will do as a base line. Bad news is clutch does not feel like it will hold much more power than what it had.

blownhemi
02-05-12, 07:53 PM
Only 3 seconds to go :)

E-Z
02-05-12, 08:24 PM
tghis suprises me alot. my old VL used to run 17s, though i would have been a shit driver then, should be a breeze?

OKE020
02-05-12, 10:03 PM
Calcs suggest I basically have to double the factory output to run into the 13s at current weight. Hmm might have to start using diet coke as a mixer :)

E-Z
02-05-12, 10:20 PM
so what 100hp in total?

OKE020
02-05-12, 10:22 PM
+\- 5 hp

Jim
02-05-12, 10:25 PM
Make the fucker lighter

Greasystick
02-05-12, 11:20 PM
Trust me, no need to be gentle on the Twin Cam gearboxes. Only failure I've seen has been a crownwheel try to walk out of it's housing at Rally Bonnie Doon a couple of years ago. That car was wheelspinning in 1st gear heading up a hill when it got grip on some granite. I think that 'box had done about 20 odd rallies.

The 'slag copped about 10 "revlimiter and sidestep the clutch" starts at the Bryant Park Hillclimb on a 180,000km old gearbox and it's still fine....

Exedy HD organic clutches can be had for $200 - not sure if this would be enough for boost, as we haven't had one in the 'slag long enough to truly abuse it yet and are only running a std engine.

Interested in your thoughts on what turbo to use? I think we may be following in your footsteps quite closely, but with the focus being on autocross and track sprints more than a timeslip from Heathcote....

nastysven
02-05-12, 11:44 PM
Make the fucker lighter



^^^this

SomeFReaK
02-05-12, 11:55 PM
Exedy HD organic clutches can be had for $200 - not sure if this would be enough for boost, as we haven't had one in the 'slag long enough to truly abuse it yet and are only running a std engine.


I ran one in my turbo accent for 18 months, daily driven and with many willowbank runs. Excedy used to have button clutch options too, not sure on how much they cost though

ALLMTR
03-05-12, 01:16 AM
Quick trip to willow just now, complete stock bar no air box as could not be stuffed putting it back on. First pass 18.4 going easy in tr gearbox, 2nd pass improved to a stonking 16.9 @ 78 treating it mean and cleaning the teeth in the change to 4th. I reckon maybe a 16.6 is possible but that will do as a base line. Bad news is clutch does not feel like it will hold much more power than what it had.

16;s is pretty good for a stockie!!

OKE020
03-05-12, 09:07 AM
http://www.oke020.com/store/images/3644.jpg haha

big_pete
03-05-12, 10:02 AM
This is cool.

and here I was thinking the FWD challenge would be boring cause there would be no oddball cars, but now I realise ALL the cars will be out of place on the dragstrip!

OKE020
03-05-12, 10:15 AM
Lol i felt like a winner all night, from the time that i lined up at the gates behind a 10 sec BBC hg monaro then proceeded to drive forward to the ticket both and say no i am racing not spectating, right up to the bit where i pulled up at the tower to collect my 16 sec time slip. Secretly i was happy with my 18.4 - 16.9 improvement haha

Fraud
03-05-12, 11:08 AM
are you going to update your sig to include this new race car?

ALLMTR
03-05-12, 12:15 PM
Looks like you have more room in the excel than in the cressida

Privatealpha
04-05-12, 01:56 AM
Feck 16.9 is pretty good.
I got 17.9 in my ae101 4afe Corolla which I thought was pretty good...pftt

OKE020
04-05-12, 11:19 AM
3EUs1rTBpgo

Monk
04-05-12, 09:20 PM
Did you try and pretend your other car wasn't a 7 second car? :D

OKE020
11-05-12, 01:46 PM
Custom T2excel flange turbo haha

http://www.oke020.com/store/images/3645.jpg

lysdexia
11-05-12, 01:48 PM
awesome hahaha

blownhemi
11-05-12, 02:10 PM
That's cool but might that warp the housing?

Love the budgetness of it though

Fraud
11-05-12, 02:28 PM
I like it!

ALLMTR
11-05-12, 03:10 PM
:likes this:

When will the kits be available?

OKE020
11-05-12, 05:59 PM
Ghetto turbo setup testing....

W28DET_2160

E-Z
11-05-12, 06:15 PM
awesome! so what are plans for fuel and management?

OKE020
11-05-12, 08:38 PM
Can't do much about the timing, factory knock sensor might just come to the rescue, also might be able to fool with the air temp signal. As for fuel twin early Hobbs switches and two jaycar duty cycle controllers firing auxiliary injectors.

E-Z
11-05-12, 08:44 PM
Mint. Can't wait

Potsy
11-05-12, 09:39 PM
Turbo looks very low...oil return going to be a problem ?

OKE020
11-05-12, 09:53 PM
Did the oil drain this afternoon, it's almost level on it's way to the sump. Ran it for about 20 mins gave it a few big revs and no smoke, seems to be draining ok so far. Left over waste gate valve is not seating properly as I had to weld a pipe into it, not bad enough to effect spool time but enough that i will have to plumb it back

briney
11-05-12, 10:02 PM
is it possible to squirt some methanol in there somewhere ? might help stop the detonation ?

OKE020
11-05-12, 10:13 PM
Hoping it should be ok. Tomorrow I am swapping in some 250cc 1uzfe injectors and switching to e flex. Scored an 040 intank for $80 so might put that in to

OKE020
11-05-12, 10:15 PM
The cressida got away with crazy timing at 15ish psi. Crazy like nearly 30 degrees. Thinking since excels can run on 89 octane so maybe the stock tune is not all that aggressive

OKE020
12-05-12, 03:05 PM
Swapped to na 2jz injectors, fresh fuel filter modded the rail and plumbed up an external reg. Drained up and filled with eflex, seems very revvy now. Got intercooler mounted and the hard intercooler pipe made. Still got alot to go but making good progress :)

ALLMTR
12-05-12, 03:10 PM
14.3 at 96mph

blownhemi
12-05-12, 06:52 PM
Not dragging your feet, are you?

OKE020
13-05-12, 01:25 PM
Hopefully I can get all the intercooler pipes made tonight. Have to survive a day of mothers day chores first :(

Dogsballs
13-05-12, 01:45 PM
cool.

that drag excel not so.

ALLMTR
14-05-12, 12:16 AM
Hopefully I can get all the intercooler pipes made tonight. Have to survive a day of mothers day chores first :(

All done? :)

nexx
14-05-12, 08:11 PM
Bloody hell, got the turbo in quick, ghetto flange is ghetto haha. Hobbs switch setup is a smart idea, be interesting to see how well it works. Just gonna piggyback two injectors for extra fueling?

OKE020
15-05-12, 04:38 PM
Made 2 psi in the car park, so far the ecu did not complain about the weird voltage coming from the map sensor, got a 2nd map sensor for $10 from the wreckers and and change over relay just incase it becomes an issue. I plan to run a hobb switch set at like 0.1psi to switch to an atmo mounted map sensor so the ecu thinks its just at wot. Since one indy blue flows more than the other 4 injectors combined i think i'll just get away with one. Made up some mounting bosses last night but machine them to big, will have to make more tonight. Also scored an 040 intank for $80 have to install that yet, and make exhaust. Welding up cheap chinese alloy bends instead of using silicone also saved some money.

http://www.oke020.com/store/images/3646.jpg

lysdexia
15-05-12, 04:43 PM
and once again scott builds what will probably be the tidiest 13s for 1300 engine bay..

looks great!

ALLMTR
15-05-12, 10:25 PM
Ha, nice!

OKE020
16-05-12, 01:24 AM
I had a few mates around tonight to get the hyundai to a driving stage. The front bar needed quite a bit of hacking but with the cooler painted black its not that obvious. I finished the dump pipe and knocked up a quick 2.5" exhaust. Its a bit loud, sounds a bit like an sr20. We had to rework the waste gate multiple times but got the thing down to about 9psi where it screams out not unlike a duck getting stepped on. The fuel system is still as it was, 2j na injectors and adjustable reg. I bumped the bas pressure up to 55psi but it does not feel like its enough. Tomorrow i might have to to hook up a wideband and see where its at. I drove it home just now, obviously can only really give it a little squeeze as stuffs me where the tunes at. Here is a vid, thanks to justin and kiwi for putting in a late night.

Vzwy2AlnBxA

blownhemi
16-05-12, 01:28 AM
Sounds all right, almost a little bit WRX-like

OKE020
16-05-12, 01:37 AM
Yeah it does a bit in the vid, from outside it sounds more sr. Feels like it will go ok, gave it enough to get the gate open and it felt weird, either it's hell lean or the clutch is slipping. Pretty sure its going to be a bitch for torque steer.

Dogsballs
16-05-12, 03:14 PM
seems to move ok though!

OKE020
16-05-12, 03:59 PM
Run down on costing thus far
Car - $550
t25 Turbo $100 (mate bought 2 for $200)
2nd hand 32mm gate in need of repairs $40
Monza 2nd hand fuel reg 1:1 $40
2jzge injectors $40
Bosch 040 intank pump $80
Misc Exhaust bends, muffler, hotdog, flanged $150
Pre loved Intercooler $80
Alloy bends from what looks to be an ebay kit, $80??
Misc hose, clamps, brass fittings etc $30

$1190

I have the 1 pressure switch i need (its off some ancient factory line gear) and and one indy blue injector for auxillery fueling so i will be donating these as freebies, main reason being the car needs a new clutch.

nexx
16-05-12, 05:30 PM
The motor seems to cope with the boost fairly well. I'm guessing the ecu was never programmed with any instructions as to what to do if the map sensor reaches it's highest voltage output, just maximum fueling beyond a threshold, it really doesn't seem to care eh?

I was sceptical when you bought this thing, I thought it was gonna end up costing you a lot more in broken parts but it's come out real tidy!
I'll have to drop by for a squizz sometime, I need to drop that serp belt back anyway. How is it to drive? it *seems* fairly smooth. Torque steering like a bitch yet?

blownhemi
16-05-12, 05:32 PM
Street Meet tonight?

OKE020
16-05-12, 07:03 PM
Did not get to install extra injector. Hoping for Saturday

nexx
16-05-12, 08:09 PM
Did not get to install extra injector. Hoping for Saturday

Slackass :P

OKE020
18-05-12, 10:16 AM
Up to the next stage now, extra fuel. We machined up some injector bosses so i can mount one indy blue on the intercooler pipe elbow just before the throttle body. The two adjustable pressure switches are on an old vac manifold and i have tested them right down to about .5 psi. The resistor wheel will be used to figure out how much timing retard i can achieve by stuffing about with the air temp signal.

Plan is to set the first pressure switch at about 3psi, this will activate the fuel controllers both running an adjustable duty cycle, a change over relay will be transferring the output of the first controller to the injector via the normally closed circuit. The 2nd pressure switch i will set at about 7 psi, this will hopefully do 2 things, trigger a relay to add the correct amount of resistance to the air temp signal (retarding the ignition), and secondly switching over the other relay that is controlling which fuel controller is running the injector. Hopefully get this all sorted over the weekend.

http://www.oke020.com/store/images/3648.jpg

Guido
18-05-12, 11:24 AM
Awesome! This would have been cutting edge tech in the mid 90s!

nine2nine
18-05-12, 12:40 PM
very cool, man these ghetto spec threads have some good thinking in them.

crack
18-05-12, 01:51 PM
cool idea. how you going to measure retard under boost?

OKE020
18-05-12, 02:19 PM
just spent a half hour dicking with the iat signa, could not measure any timing difference at various rpm. Plan B leave the timing and let the knock sensor sort it out

Guido
18-05-12, 02:25 PM
cool idea. how you going to measure retard under boost?

He's about 6'2", won't change with boost.

big_pete
18-05-12, 03:13 PM
zing!

E-Z
18-05-12, 03:30 PM
He's about 6'2", won't change with boost.

FUCK! lol

OKE020
18-05-12, 06:39 PM
6'4" :)

Sketchy
18-05-12, 11:18 PM
6'4" :)

So it did change under boost then?

OKE020
19-05-12, 04:28 PM
57199 added the extra injector. Wired up one fuel controller turning on at 3psi. In testing I found the 100k trim pot is just to sensitive. I guessed at a duty cycle and road tested it. Seems heaps better but now the clutch has no hope at all. A mate pulled the box for me today, the stock clutch is not all that worn just looks to not have enough clamping force. We scuffed up the flywheel and put in a new clutch and throw out bearing. It's currently sitting with the box back in. Needs probably an hours more work on Sunday night before testing can continue.

crack
19-05-12, 05:46 PM
heavier pressure plate?

lonewolf
20-05-12, 03:04 AM
cant you bend the fingers for more pre-load/pressure?

vet 180
20-05-12, 04:20 AM
cant you bend the fingers for more pre-load/pressure?

Was thinking something like this. Some sort of getto way to get more pressure. Was thinking maybe getting another pleasure plate and doubling up on the fingers. Like weld 2 together for each finger.

The scuffed flywheel should help

Jim
20-05-12, 08:22 AM
Bob weights off an old centreforce clutch will help.

nexx
21-05-12, 11:18 AM
Is that resistor wheel a jaycar item? awesome bit of kit.

OKE020
21-05-12, 11:45 AM
Yep its a jaycar product. This thing does epic roll on tyre friers :)

Sketchy
21-05-12, 12:05 PM
I assume that the injector before the throttle body presents no issues with backfires etc from overfuelling on closed/part throttle? I.E, as soon as manifold pressure drops below 3psi the injector automatically shuts off meaning no bang juice sitting in the intake piping?

More videos and shit plzkthxbai :)

OKE020
22-05-12, 12:53 AM
Have made some progress last few days. Clutch seems sorted after a few tweaks, wastegate is plumbed back, turbo dump gasket installed, 02 bungs for stock o2 sensor and future wideband installed. Made an intake pipe and filter for the turbo, its hell small to clear the front engine mount but seems to be working ok. 040 intank pump installed, fuel controllers built and tested, very touchy especially on an indy blue injector haha. So far seat of pants tells me i am getting close on the fueling, had to change to a 25turn 100k trimpot on each board to achieve fine enough adjustment. Need to hook up a wideband hopefully before a test at willowbank wednesday.

Here is a vid of a few short tests

78NDuzINkS4

ALLMTR
22-05-12, 01:00 AM
4.89 seconds for 40 to 100 so
1.3 x that to get the next 60kmh = 6.3
0.7 x the 4.89 for the first 40kmh = 3.4
Total = 14.59 second 1/4

lysdexia
22-05-12, 01:15 AM
that looks like way too much fun for an excel

sounds better than an SR20.

OKE020
22-05-12, 01:18 AM
Not sure as yet, still got to get an idea of where the fueling is at. Feels about a 14 sec car at the moment that's assuming it gets any kind of traction. I did another few harder runs from 1st while trying to to hold the phone up and steer with the same hand without much success ha ha.

The gate is opening at 8psi, it could maybe take another 4 before something will have to be done with the timing. Plumbed back gate helps with hearing detonation too.

Guido
22-05-12, 12:49 PM
Want to borrow a pair of 205.50.15 Toyo R888s?

OKE020
22-05-12, 02:37 PM
its only got 14" wheels on it, bugger, got guys at bridgestone hooking me up with some hektik 195 cheap tyres, i am guessing they wont be enough though. Just put the wideband on to double check my seat of the pants tune, as it comes onto boost it drops to 13:0-12:50 and by the time its starting to make power it drops into the 11s, going to wire it in temporarily so can watch it at the track.

Guido
22-05-12, 03:15 PM
Go to Capalaba wrecking, call them a bunch of seahunts and they'll probably throw a 15" 4x100 steelie at you.

OKE020
22-05-12, 03:28 PM
hmmm, ok will try wed night on normal tyres if that proves useless then your on :)

I'm DJ!
22-05-12, 04:06 PM
What time wed night. Might bring the toy-merc out for a run too. Sketchy you about?

Guido
22-05-12, 04:17 PM
hmmm, ok will try wed night on normal tyres if that proves useless then your on :)

Cool. Should have my new 225s within a week to replace the 205s that are probably over 50%.

dvs_5ltr
22-05-12, 05:35 PM
aren't excels 4x114.3

Guido
22-05-12, 06:21 PM
NFI - whatever they are I'm sure 15" shopping trolley steelies will be as common as something that is really common.

Greasystick
22-05-12, 08:45 PM
Yep, 4 x 114.3.

4 stud VR4 and early Evo wheels bolt straight on. 195/55/15 fit no problem even if the car is quite low....

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg165/greasystick/309219_10150329044261096_693296095_9865783_2246038 _n.jpg

Shame you're not in Melbourne - we have some 15" tyres that need finishing off....

tim510
22-05-12, 09:18 PM
will TRX rims fit? i've got lots of those

OKE020
23-05-12, 12:39 AM
New rubber seems a bit better. Did some 3rd and 4th gear tests, gets a little rich but so far so good on the detonation front. Hopefully it does not cry enough at willowbank, I am starting to get a reputation lol

Tils
23-05-12, 01:04 AM
Starting?

OKE020
23-05-12, 01:19 AM
Ok I have a rep lol So I blew up 1200hp 2j after 3 years of abuse, then a stock na 2jz or two running nearly 600rwhp and then finished off destroying a 700+ hp sr20 (not hard since they are made of glass or something), not doing so bad haha

Tils
23-05-12, 01:23 AM
Yeah lol! Mine is yet to run!

ALLMTR
23-05-12, 01:29 AM
Have you made a diaper for the excel yet?

InsaneAsylum
23-05-12, 09:17 AM
this is my favourite 13's fwd car so far

OKE020
23-05-12, 03:10 PM
Some pics before tonights carnage, new hektik 14" alloys too

http://www.oke020.com/store/images/3649.jpg
http://www.oke020.com/store/images/3650.jpg
http://www.oke020.com/store/images/3651.jpg
http://www.oke020.com/store/images/3652.jpg
http://www.oke020.com/store/images/3653.jpg

Glove box mounted jaycar controllers complete with screwdriver to adjust haha

http://www.oke020.com/store/images/3654.jpg

big_pete
23-05-12, 03:44 PM
This almost makes me want an Excel... almost

Sketchy
23-05-12, 03:57 PM
What time wed night. Might bring the toy-merc out for a run too. Sketchy you about?

In if you answer your damn phone :)

morerevsm3
23-05-12, 04:12 PM
This almost makes me want an Excel... almost

I would gladly take Liam's...

blownhemi
23-05-12, 04:53 PM
Good luck, I'll be hovering for updates.

big_pete
23-05-12, 04:58 PM
I would gladly take Liam's...

Is there any Excel left with that thing though!

OKE020
23-05-12, 07:23 PM
14.9 @ 98 stuffed the start

E-Z
23-05-12, 07:26 PM
get a second off with a good start? or not that bad of a start? lol

blownhemi
23-05-12, 07:29 PM
14.9 @ 98 stuffed the start

Two seconds off is a decent starting gain. What happened? Wheelspin?

OKE020
23-05-12, 07:39 PM
14.3 @ 100

OKE020
23-05-12, 07:42 PM
2.4 60 it just won't hook up so I have to leave at no revs

nine2nine
23-05-12, 07:44 PM
Impressive!

TD302
23-05-12, 07:46 PM
mooooore Booooooost :)

OKE020
23-05-12, 07:56 PM
Am up to 12 or so now. Can't see the gauge but can see the afr coming good lol. Rods out soon

blownhemi
23-05-12, 08:01 PM
Wow 14.3 is getting there.


Boooost!

Blow
23-05-12, 08:04 PM
Rods out soon

Fukin lol. Good luck. :D

Sketchy
23-05-12, 08:15 PM
Silly funny to watch. Lots of wtf faces around the track tonight.

TD302
23-05-12, 08:29 PM
Remember don't back off keep into the biatch.... Lol :wayned:

OKE020
23-05-12, 09:20 PM
Funnily enough more
Power made the 60 worse and my clutch worse haha. Sticky tires and easy 13s did a 14.3 with a 2.5 60

blownhemi
23-05-12, 09:30 PM
Maybe it needs an auto

TD302
23-05-12, 09:32 PM
Needs nosssss..

I'm DJ!
23-05-12, 10:17 PM
This was travelling quickly enough tonight it peeled the paint off the roof....

ALLMTR
23-05-12, 10:28 PM
60psi in the rears, wedge a bunch of various hoses around the rear springs to basically lock it and some 185/60r14 nitto DR's = mid 13's

OKE020
23-05-12, 10:38 PM
Lol clutch came good on the way home so probably heat related. Probably good for a tenth if I buffed the crusty clear coat off the roof haha

OKE020
23-05-12, 10:40 PM
Hey chuck you are on the money, the back shocks are shagged and it's transferring to much weight back for sure.

egads
23-05-12, 10:44 PM
Can you pack the spring full of tennis balls as a cheap shock?

Edit: Also, impressive work :-D

Peter UC
23-05-12, 11:33 PM
Awesome work, and this people is what a proper sleeper looks like.

NXTIME
23-05-12, 11:44 PM
Excellent work. This is my fave FWD 13's for $1300 car (apart from mine :D) if the clutch and block hold easy 13's with stickier tyres.

Damn track (SD) was full at 6:30 tonight and couldn't get a run in mine.

tim510
24-05-12, 12:46 PM
Can you pack the spring full of tennis balls as a cheap shock?

Edit: Also, impressive work :-D

Some guys on the shitbox rally did this last year, it worked awesome. They stuffed like 6 in each rear spring and it made a huge difference.

ALLMTR
24-05-12, 12:53 PM
There are a heap of little tricks for traction like straps/cable on front to prevent lift but you're only DR's away from a new clutch, sorry, I meant 13's.

I recommend 185 DR's and a larger steering wheel :)

OKE020
24-05-12, 01:00 PM
Where can i find someone who stocks those nittos in australia?

nexx
24-05-12, 01:20 PM
How have you NOT broken this thing yet. XR6T forums' boys seem to get them from 'wheelboyz' at Yatala. Fully hecktik haha [http://wheelboyz.com/]

Tripper
24-05-12, 04:39 PM
Could you shove another spring down the guts of the stock spring to stiffen the rear up

sammm
24-05-12, 05:06 PM
http://www.boostnetwork.com.au/database/journal/files/post-10-13378332631692385455.jpg

stockymcstock
24-05-12, 05:23 PM
fuckin awesome work scott

get a set of old radials as suggested or even a partially shagged set of KU36's or similar - shouldn't break the budget!

best thing with the rear spring is to fabricate a bar that bolts in place of the standard shock absorber. A solid bar. That will stop it transferring weight backwards :-)

you can even thread one end of the bar and make it adjustable; remove the shock completely, replace with gizmo. Wind adjuster down so it's not in effect (spring is taking up all the slack). When you arrive at the drags, stick your cordless rattle gun under the car, wind the adjuster nut up until it's rock solid and "in play". Do your runs. Reverse procedure. Go home.

Shifty
24-05-12, 05:41 PM
Drove this. Is hilarious. And surprisingly nice to drive!!

Gassed250
24-05-12, 05:55 PM
awesome job mate

makes me want to ghetto fab a complete 1j tt set up onto the nopics baleno

Rona
24-05-12, 09:41 PM
get a set of old radials as suggested or even a partially shagged set of KU36's or similar - shouldn't break the budget!

I'll be removing some 215/45/17 KU36 when I get my car back 3-4 weeks, can have for cost of postage just need to find rims. Fronts are balf but rears have plenty of tread.

I'm DJ!
25-05-12, 09:00 PM
Vids of this are uploading. Will post link in 30mins + or - time for when nopics leaves me alone

Jim
25-05-12, 09:36 PM
Sounds counter intuitive but drop the boost until you have traction sorted. Should actually go quicker

I'm DJ!
25-05-12, 09:42 PM
I think this is the 14.5 run - the rest will be uploaded soon.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Np6G4w5_pFI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

OKE020
25-05-12, 09:48 PM
Can somebody embed it so can see on iphone?

Jim
25-05-12, 09:56 PM
Np6G4w5_pFI

OKE020
25-05-12, 09:58 PM
Thanks mate damn it's slow haha

I'm DJ!
25-05-12, 10:00 PM
^thanks - Scott I think Phil got 3 more, they are all in one long vid which is almost half up now. will post once it's done.

OKE020
25-05-12, 10:04 PM
Sweet, the later runs were mostly stuff ups due to turning the boost up a bit

ALLMTR
25-05-12, 10:24 PM
Posted two weeks ago


14.3 at 96mph

Getting it a bit lower will also reduce weight transfer

Time to update your sig, the rolla is no longer 100mph faster through the 1/4

OKE020
25-05-12, 11:30 PM
You called it chuck, will go quicker, priced some toyos proxes today and bugger that lol.

ALLMTR
25-05-12, 11:58 PM
Need to get some tyres from some ex circuit racer....hmm....what do formula ford run?

Something like these....but two of....

http://performanceforums.com/forums/showthread.php?67279575-Yokohama-AO-48-tyres-for-sale&p=841451804#post841451804

I'm DJ!
26-05-12, 07:30 AM
A few more runs of everything from wed night

t7er21fza8Y

blownhemi
26-05-12, 10:29 AM
Don't they have announcers for street meets up there?

Gammaboy
26-05-12, 10:31 AM
Test and tune, not street meet!

blownhemi
26-05-12, 10:46 AM
Test and tune, not street meet!

Even so, no announcers?

RNS-11Z
26-05-12, 11:11 AM
No announcers

blownhemi
26-05-12, 11:15 AM
Bummer, even Heathcote has announcers for test n tunes and street meets

02JZE Cressida
26-05-12, 11:48 AM
Ive got 2 205/50R15 circut slicks here. bring me a 6 pack of highland cola and ill fit them up for you.

02JZE Cressida
26-05-12, 12:36 PM
http://www.filedump.net/dumped/slicks1337996131.jpg

XR6DAZZLER
26-05-12, 04:35 PM
14.9 @ 98 stuffed the start

Pretty sure i got to run ya at least once Scott ?

I thought it may have had a 400 shoehorned in there and was gonna blow my doors off lol, i havn't been on here for a while...

OKE020
26-05-12, 06:23 PM
Yeah mate think I seen your car

OKE020
26-05-12, 07:21 PM
Ive got 2 205/50R15 circut slicks here. bring me a 6 pack of highland cola and ill fit them up for you.

Thanks mate will try to score some 4x114.3 +40 15s

dvs_5ltr
27-05-12, 10:54 AM
Silvia offset is close if I remember correctly

02JZE Cressida
28-05-12, 01:54 PM
Offset is not that important. Anything stock in a 114.3 would do you. Look at Nissans,
plently of options

tim510
28-05-12, 01:57 PM
I have TRX rims coming out my arse at the moment. 15x6 roughly 4x114.3

nexx
28-05-12, 02:36 PM
114.3 is also standard or any ford 'taxi' cars.

big_pete
28-05-12, 02:39 PM
114.3 is also standard or any ford 'taxi' cars.

5 studs might be a problem

Kiahatsiu
28-05-12, 04:12 PM
80% match.

blownhemi
28-05-12, 04:12 PM
ROFL

Just drill the holes where you need them it wont matter

I'm DJ!
28-05-12, 07:39 PM
More holes = less weight...

I'm DJ!
28-05-12, 08:15 PM
Doppelgaenger

nexx
29-05-12, 09:57 PM
5 studs might be a problem

Haha touche.

NXTIME
31-05-12, 01:47 AM
only need to drill 3 holes ;)

vet 180
03-06-12, 09:08 PM
Yeah surely you could find something piss cheap and suitable from

r31 skyline
silvia
ke70
Bluebird

OKE020
05-06-12, 12:35 AM
Lost interest in this for awhile, its serving daily duties nicely. It runs 100mph in 400 meters so its a 13 sec car, when i get a sec i'll grab those slicks off hackett tyres and find some rims. Also have a couple of blokes around my area are keen to take it off my hands, might be a neat trick turning a hyundai into a set of carillos for a 2jz :)

E-Z
05-06-12, 02:49 AM
ill give you $1299 for it

vet 180
05-06-12, 05:24 AM
Lost interest in this for awhile, its serving daily duties nicely. It runs 100mph in 400 meters so its a 13 sec car, when i get a sec i'll grab those slicks off hackett tyres and find some rims. Also have a couple of blokes around my area are keen to take it off my hands, might be a neat trick turning a hyundai into a set of carillos for a 2jz :)
If its serving as daily duties and potential profit machine, I can see the temptation of not wanting to stress the clutch/gearbox/engine with 1/4 runs. At the end of the day I dont think you need to prove anything on here

ls400x
05-06-12, 09:55 AM
! I was hoping to race it head to head with Nubira !

OKE020
05-06-12, 10:01 AM
lol hurry up then :)

blownhemi
05-06-12, 10:30 AM
If its serving as daily duties and potential profit machine, I can see the temptation of not wanting to stress the clutch/gearbox/engine with 1/4 runs. At the end of the day I dont think you need to prove anything on here

Sure he does

crack
05-06-12, 11:02 AM
! I'm secretly hoping you sell this thing before running 13s (cause you got nothing to prove) so that glory will be miiine !

fixed

OKE020
18-06-12, 06:43 PM
i'm out converted the hyundai into some folding

Kiahatsiu
18-06-12, 08:21 PM
A cordia?

Paydirt
18-06-12, 10:42 PM
I know where there is another one in better condition you could turn in for more profit if interested.

ALLMTR
19-06-12, 01:35 AM
1) Start Excel drag racing series with $50 trophy
2) Buy and build $1300 turbo Excel's
3) Sell Excel's for $5500 a pop
4) Profit!!!!1111oneelevenone

crack
19-06-12, 07:37 AM
I heard he sold it to another PF member for $800 who will enter the 13s for $1300 challenge with a cool $500 cash to spend.

OKE020
19-06-12, 10:25 PM
Lol hardly made a profit but saved myself wasting more money on it

jzx83
20-06-12, 08:19 AM
Lol it's so important to be clear about where you want to waste your money.

Did it sell to a PF'er? Will it still be used for it's most recent purpose? PF needs to know!!!!! *








*Not really, but I would like to see it continue down the path you started it on, Scotty.

ls400x
20-06-12, 11:14 AM
I bought it as a strategic move

ALLMTR
20-06-12, 06:54 PM
That's very Microsoft of you

jzx83
22-06-12, 08:49 AM
Lol

Team Korea.

Team NubirExcel.

etc

ls400x
22-06-12, 09:32 AM
KDM as Fu#k

OKE020
19-11-12, 05:10 PM
The hyundai came into work last month to have the alternator replaced, the bloody thing is still going strong!, was even for sale on boost cruising for 6k not long ago lol

jzx83
19-11-12, 07:21 PM
Swaps, check my topixxxxxx.