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jd2365
06-10-12, 08:32 PM
Giving 13s a crack. Brought a v6 vn wagon for 200$, took it out to local eighth mile drags and went 10.7 stock with full weight. Put a real old set of street radials on. Got a old wet nitrous kit I brought for 150$ off a mate. Need to run a 8.90 on 1/8th mile to run a 13.9, might need a better convertor. How much shot of nos can a stock v6 take?

Tripper
06-10-12, 09:22 PM
there is a couple of of VN's in this section that should be able to provide a wealth of info, not to mention some of the other cars that will also have some good info

Good luck with the build and hope you run the times you want

ALLMTR
06-10-12, 10:25 PM
Good luck. We don't have much luck with new guys signing up for this project (mind you the "VN of Fury" guys were new guys)

jd2365
19-11-12, 12:49 PM
Hopefully can have nitrous installed before our Christmas meet at Warwick on the 8th December. Any idea what nitrous jet to use

blownhemi
19-11-12, 12:52 PM
Hopefully can have nitrous installed before our Christmas meet at Warwick fastest on the 8th December. Any idea what nitrous jet to use


What kit have you got?

jd2365
19-11-12, 12:53 PM
Think its a universal sniper

blownhemi
19-11-12, 01:02 PM
Think its a universal sniper

What jet numbers did you get? I presum it's a single fogger

Jim
19-11-12, 01:13 PM
We ran a 150 shot in our Red Streak VN, then decided it wasn't enough and drilled it out even more, though as I later found out the solenoids will only flow 150hp.

Things to consider: make sure the fogger doesn't move. Ours twisted in the inlet pipe and it cost us an engine.
Make sure you have some way of triggering the NOS so it only flows at wide open throttle after about 4 grand, or get real good on the pedal. Me getting on it too early cost us a set of inlet pipes.

Making the car lighter and fitting the stall converter and a shift kit made the biggest differences. We got ours to do 12.36 but then we got bored. We were fairly sure it could run an 11 with some more setup work. Our build cost a bit under $900. Was heaps of fun and learned a hell of a lot.

jd2365
19-11-12, 01:44 PM
Thanks Alot mate, was the motor stock? Also were did you buy convertor and shift kit.

Jim
19-11-12, 02:04 PM
Search for the Red Streak VN in this part of PF. Youtube as well.
Converter was from ebay, shift kit was from summit, and the motor was 100% stock. The 12.4 sec pass was on the shitty series 1 log manifolds even.

However I gutted over 100kg of weight from the car. Read the thread and learn from our effort/mistakes :D

jd2365
19-11-12, 02:36 PM
Search for the Red Streak VN in this part of PF. Youtube as well.
Converter was from ebay, shift kit was from summit, and the motor was 100% stock. The 12.4 sec pass was on the shitty series 1 log manifolds even.

However I gutted over 100kg of weight from the car. Read the thread and learn from our effort/mistakes :D

Thanks mate, did yous get bigger fuel rails?

jd2365
19-11-12, 02:53 PM
What power did the vn wagons 1990 come out with stock?

neet_wagon
19-11-12, 03:21 PM
125kw.

Jim
19-11-12, 03:27 PM
Thanks mate, did yous get bigger fuel rails?

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jd2365
19-11-12, 03:40 PM
So it should easy take nos, so the wet fogger system kit is easy to put on?

neet_wagon
19-11-12, 03:43 PM
It would be worth noting that putting a 150 shot of nos in this thing will make it dead.

Jim
19-11-12, 03:47 PM
It would be worth noting that putting a 150 shot of nos in this thing will make it dead.

My experience says that you be wrong (with the caveat that you need a better fuel pump and not fuck up the fuel/nos mixture and timing).


fogger kit couldn't be easier. jd2365, Seriously, go read the thread and then come back.

neet_wagon
19-11-12, 04:18 PM
My experience says that you be wrong (with the caveat that you need a better fuel pump and not fuck up the fuel/nos mixture and timing).


fogger kit couldn't be easier. jd2365, Seriously, go read the thread and then come back.

Your's didn't die?
All of mine have. And none of those had any form of forced induction.

Jim
19-11-12, 04:46 PM
oh yeah, it died, but it was through our poor setup rather than mechanical limit.

blownhemi
19-11-12, 04:54 PM
I put 125hp shot into the Falcon and ran it 40 times or so - it didn't die.

The VN can handle it.

jd2365
19-11-12, 07:36 PM
Any one have a cheap stall convertor for sale? 2400-3200 or what ever yous have? also any one have a cheap or donate a fuel pump.

jd2365
20-11-12, 09:50 AM
Ill get some photos up later after school.

Fraud
20-11-12, 09:53 AM
that explains a lot..

still, I'll be watching with great interest!

jd2365
20-11-12, 10:10 AM
Just a muck around car until I finish my bbc commodore.

Jim
20-11-12, 10:39 AM
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/capalaba/engine-engine-parts-transmission/v6-supercharged-commodore-hi-stall-converter/1007126200
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/brahma-lodge/engine-engine-parts-transmission/vn-vy-auto-2500-rpm-stall-converter/350153021
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/adelaide-region/engine-engine-parts-transmission/vr-commodore-torque-converter-high-stall/1004650765

Come on dude it's not that hard. gumtree and ebay are your friend for all this stuff. Don't forget to lowball gumtree sellers.

jd2365
20-11-12, 01:05 PM
Ok guys, if all goes well I should have the nitrous kit on and maybe have a stall convertor. will be racing on the 8th of December on nitrous or n/a. This motor is to learn with and my.mate has some old vn motors with 170,000 km on them.

Jim
20-11-12, 01:15 PM
Weight loss is cheap horsepower. Make it lighter or you're in for a surprise.
But either way you will have fun. Enjoy!

jd2365
20-11-12, 01:18 PM
Before we head to willowbank for a 1/4mile pass we will try and gut it out, build the diff with maybe 4.11 as i dont think it will have enough legs for 3.8? The 8th is just our club fun meet, So hoprfully see a 9 second pass on the gas. 75shot.

jd2365
20-11-12, 01:20 PM
It has a old set of 26x10.5 street radials on it so maybe will hook up ok?

Jim
20-11-12, 01:39 PM
good place to start anyway.
if you're running 1/8th mile then def go the 4:11's.

Gem202T
20-11-12, 01:47 PM
i doubt you'll have too many traciton issues if you have race tyres.

just to give you guys a back ground, my brother bought Jim's red streak VN after he got bored of it! we eventually put all the running gear into a VS Commodore body that was available, and the best we got out of the NOS was mid 12's but we never really had that many good runs with it all working properly (theres always something)

that said this v6 is still in great condition, we pulled the heads off it a while back to tickle them up a bit and its bores are in perfect condition and the tops of the piston have no signs of any abnormal wear/burns etc.

we ended up tapping a hole into the T/B and fitting the fogger nozzle there to stop it spinning like it did with Jim and we also upgraded the system to ZEX 250hp solenoids with a purge line. its best over the 1/8th at casino drags was 8.31

here is a video of it racing my 6 cylinder gemini at casino http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUP0tytIZEg

I think from memory at WSID scales the car weighed in at 1280kg with brother and fuel in the car, it runs 4.11 diff, the hi stall and kitted auto Jim had, plus M/T Slicks.

Jim
20-11-12, 01:49 PM
Good to see you here Sam! Put up a build thread about the Gem :D

Gem202T
20-11-12, 01:57 PM
also its probably worth noting when we went to gunnedah drags and had a nos solenoid failure we ran the car N/A all weekend and managed a best of 9.4 over the 1/8th, so thats about your target for a good quick stock motor without nos.

Gem202T
20-11-12, 01:58 PM
Good to see you here Sam! Put up a build thread about the Gem :D

No one would be interested in a turbo 202 in a gemini on methanol ;)

jd2365
20-11-12, 02:14 PM
i doubt you'll have too many traciton issues if you have race tyres.

just to give you guys a back ground, my brother bought Jim's red streak VN after he got bored of it! we eventually put all the running gear into a VS Commodore body that was available, and the best we got out of the NOS was mid 12's but we never really had that many good runs with it all working properly (theres always something)

that said this v6 is still in great condition, we pulled the heads off it a while back to tickle them up a bit and its bores are in perfect condition and the tops of the piston have no signs of any abnormal wear/burns etc.

we ended up tapping a hole into the T/B and fitting the fogger nozzle there to stop it spinning like it did with Jim and we also upgraded the system to ZEX 250hp solenoids with a purge line. its best over the 1/8th at casino drags was 8.31

here is a video of it racing my 6 cylinder gemini at casino http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUP0tytIZEg

I think from memory at WSID scales the car weighed in at 1280kg with brother and fuel in the car, it runs 4.11 diff, the hi stall and kitted auto Jim had, plus M/T Slicks.


Thanks alot mate, good to see a few people interested in the build, photos to come, at the moment im on to a mini spool, so hopefully get it cheaper than the price they want $100. Then all i need is a set of gears 4.11, shifter kit and install nitrous, then start stripping the car. Ill be happy if i can get it into high 9s on the 1/8th mile.

jd2365
20-11-12, 03:49 PM
Is there any 13s for 1300$ guys from Queensland? Would be good to race one at willowbank?.

blownhemi
20-11-12, 04:02 PM
Thanks alot mate, good to see a few people interested in the build, photos to come, at the moment im on to a mini spool, so hopefully get it cheaper than the price they want $100. Then all i need is a set of gears 4.11, shifter kit and install nitrous, then start stripping the car. Ill be happy if i can get it into high 9s on the 1/8th mile.

Brand new minispool is about $80 from Sydeny Competition Wharehouse

ALLMTR
20-11-12, 04:22 PM
I seem to remember one being in the parts section for sale here but am far too busy to search for it....

jd2365
20-11-12, 05:12 PM
Might just weld it up.

blownhemi
20-11-12, 05:14 PM
Might just weld it up.

Only if you want to break shit

jd2365
20-11-12, 06:05 PM
Dont think it would be very good running it how it is tho? might be alright just to test

jd2365
20-11-12, 07:43 PM
Nitrous bucket vn build here

http://m1282.photobucket.com/profile/Matty_Loy

Gem202T
21-11-12, 07:57 AM
if you have street radials on it i doubt you'll have too many tractions issues on a proper sticky drag strip.

[TUFFVQ]
21-11-12, 09:06 AM
I seem to remember one being in the parts section for sale here but am far too busy to search for it....

Yeah i bought that.

Motherfucker Jones
21-11-12, 09:16 AM
Only if you want to break shit

How is welded different to minispool? Aside from being a total shitcunt and the weld falling out and getting eaten by the gears

jd2365
21-11-12, 04:59 PM
Hear a member on here by the name boothy does stroker kits for v6 holdens, any one know what is in the kit and how much? Or know of any one who does a forged kit.

blownhemi
21-11-12, 05:03 PM
How is welded different to minispool? Aside from being a total shitcunt and the weld falling out and getting eaten by the gears

Well there's that but heat weakens the side gears and the axles (seeing most dodgy cunts weld them with axles in place). I've done it in the past and snapped axles, mates have done it in the past and snapped axles too. But I haven't had any problems with mini-spools and they're relatively cheap and easy to fit.

Motherfucker Jones
21-11-12, 07:34 PM
Jesus you cunts must weld the fuck out of them! It is a dodgy solution but it depends on how much use this thing is gunna get. A few runs at the drags with a doughy converter and a moo motor is unlikely to kill it. Sticky tyres and street driving probably would after a while.

If you were gunna put gears in it then spool for sure while it's all out. I think Pintaras had 4.11 Borg Warners and maybe R31 skylines had 3.7s??

ALLMTR
21-11-12, 09:53 PM
There is no way you could get enough heat into a centre to affect the axles without toasting the bearings

Jim
22-11-12, 06:24 AM
Jesus you cunts must weld the fuck out of them! It is a dodgy solution but it depends on how much use this thing is gunna get. A few runs at the drags with a doughy converter and a moo motor is unlikely to kill it. Sticky tyres and street driving probably would after a while.

If you were gunna put gears in it then spool for sure while it's all out. I think Pintaras had 4.11 Borg Warners and maybe R31 skylines had 3.7s??

All correct except for the ratio.
Something to remember is that the RWD pintara crownwheel uses VL sized small bolts on the 2 pinion carrier whereas the 4 pinion carriers in the VN onwards use the large bolts. I cheated and packed the small bolts with sheet steel to remove any clearance around the smaller bolts. Dodge, but fitted with the theme of the build. And better than trying to drill out and retap a crownwheel lol

Some Commodore wagons used 3.45 gears, but use different diff mounts. Most commos ran a 3.08 ratio.

An LSD can be had for $100 these days from a VR/VS easily enough and if I was to do it again I'd probably do that from sheer laziness.

I have welded a few moo diffs now, and each one has failed eventually. however they were all dirt rally type cars. Welding hardened steel to cast iron never lasts too long. Prob fine for drags but due to having full traction at failure, the chances of a sharp LH turn at full noise is high. I'd avoid it if there was a cheap alternative.

My choice were I to do it again would be a mix and match between commodore wagon centre, VL housing so the wider wheels fit a bit easier, and an LSD or mini spool depending on what was cheaper at the time. 4.11's were awesome out of the hole but caused us trouble at the 3/4 mark due to needing 4th, which won't engage at WOT on the TH700R (without a shift kit anyway). For 1/8th mile events though 4.11's would be the better option for sure.

Jim
22-11-12, 06:35 AM
http://mob1282.photobucket.com/albums/a530/Matty_Loy/20121120_154938_zps5fcfb361.jpg
Yep, it's a VN lol

Motherfucker Jones
22-11-12, 07:20 AM
Taller tyre could fix the 4.11/4th gear issue, but then you're back to a taller ratio anyway. Did you carnies ever try fucking with the lockdown cable to get it to pull top?

blownhemi
22-11-12, 07:27 AM
All correct except for the ratio.
Something to remember is that the RWD pintara crownwheel uses VL sized small bolts on the 2 pinion carrier whereas the 4 pinion carriers in the VN onwards use the large bolts. I cheated and packed the small bolts with sheet steel to remove any clearance around the smaller bolts. Dodge, but fitted with the theme of the build. And better than trying to drill out and retap a crownwheel lol
.

Interesting. I had no such issues with the 3.89 gears and the Falcon centre, maybe the Falcons use the small bolts as well?

Jim
22-11-12, 07:45 AM
Taller tyre could fix the 4.11/4th gear issue, but then you're back to a taller ratio anyway. Did you carnies ever try fucking with the lockdown cable to get it to pull top?

Yeah, it'll still not shift at WOT into 4th, but then it shifts all other gears at 2k lol

Motherfucker Jones
22-11-12, 09:36 AM
Yeah, it'll still not shift at WOT into 4th, but then it shifts all other gears at 2k lol

Lol I said lockdown cable?? Did you try using the shifting stick to change gears Manuel? Or does it still shift anyway? If you were a super ghetto cunt you could put the kickdown in the cabin and tug on it til you want 4th :D

Jim
22-11-12, 09:40 AM
It doesn't work mate. It shifts into 4th based on line pressure.

Give it a try on Coffin's VN bunky.

Motherfucker Jones
22-11-12, 10:10 AM
Nah fuck that. I wouldn't feel safe doing the speed required for 4th gear :D

Gem202T
22-11-12, 11:49 AM
interesting to know about the crown wheel shims jim ;) the diff is still going strong hahahaha.

also the other thing to remember, this fourth gear issue is not going to be an issue till you get to about mid 12's anything much slower than that and you wont be doing the kph's to need 4th!!

with regards to diffs, if you can get 4.11 i'd go with that, failing that you can get 3.45 from vl commodores, most had them, you can then rip the crownwheel and pinion out and bolt straight into any vn diff housing!

Jim
22-11-12, 11:53 AM
Interesting. I had no such issues with the 3.89 gears and the Falcon centre, maybe the Falcons use the small bolts as well?

Pretty sure it's peculiar to the Pintara BW crownwheel (and probably corona/corolla too). Suspect it was a light duty thing.

Jim
22-11-12, 11:54 AM
Sam, I'm sure it'll last forever unless he gets it into the 10's :lol:

*edit* VL was drum brake. Never mind. Get a VL diff for the CW&P.

briney
22-11-12, 12:33 PM
i've been looking at, and fiddling with th700s a bit lately. apparently the corvette transmissions had a different 3/4 shift valve which would allow it to go into and stay in 4th at wot. i'll have another look in the book i've got here. did you see anything about it in your travels jim ?

Jim
22-11-12, 12:36 PM
No mate, as we figured a shift kit would sort it, which it mostly did. On the white car I replaced the entire valve body with a manual one, but couldn't do it this time as it would have blown the budget.

blownhemi
22-11-12, 12:39 PM
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with regards to diffs, if you can get 4.11 i'd go with that

Definitely go 4.11s, I wish I held out for them instead of just going the 3.89s. Would have pissed in the 12s I reckon.

Jim
22-11-12, 12:44 PM
I still say the one thing your car desperately needed and didn't have was a stall converter. You nailed absolutely everything else.

In fact, if I was to do the project again, it'd be with an EL/EF/AU.

jd2365
22-11-12, 12:56 PM
I still say the one thing your car desperately needed and didn't have was a stall converter. You nailed absolutely everything else.

In fact, if I was to do the project again, it'd be with an EL/EF/AU.


At the moment N/A i shift into 3rd right on the 1/8thmile finish line, So i should get away with the nitrous with the 3.08 gears just to get it on track and have some fun on the 8th.

Jim
22-11-12, 01:05 PM
yeah do that mate for sure. Racing is better than no racing, and it'll give you a good idea of what you need to do.
But shed some weight out of the car. Seriously, it's cheap HP.

blownhemi
22-11-12, 01:12 PM
I still say the one thing your car desperately needed and didn't have was a stall converter. You nailed absolutely everything else.

In fact, if I was to do the project again, it'd be with an EL/EF/AU.

I know, it just didn't fit the budget. I've got an EF sitting here that I might do it again with but with a few little changes (converter/gears/head/less weight/etc).

blownhemi
22-11-12, 01:13 PM
At the moment N/A i shift into 3rd right on the 1/8thmile finish line, So i should get away with the nitrous with the 3.08 gears just to get it on track and have some fun on the 8th.

Yep, fun comes first. That should be the main thing with these projects.

HoonBoy
22-11-12, 05:37 PM
I didn't have the bolt problem with 4.11's in my commodore diff...

One of the Trans-go parts allows full throttle shifting in to 4th, can't remember which bit it was but it's all on the website.

And don't forget to take heaps and heaps of weight out of it :)

jd2365
22-11-12, 06:12 PM
What are rb30 motors like compared to v6 Conny motor? I.e. stronger, faster?

ALLMTR
22-11-12, 07:44 PM
no and no

Dexi
22-11-12, 07:58 PM
Do it. Rb powaah! Vl k frame should bolt in, then bolt dodgy rb turbo motor in. look up "onboc" and as far as racing qldrs at willow bank it's on mate haha!

Jim
23-11-12, 06:12 AM
engine swaps are too much work for a 13's project. Not to mention the V6 in stock form goes harder. Days of wiring to have less power? fuck that.

jd2365
23-11-12, 06:39 AM
The rb30 is for another project, stickin with v6 in the vn

Jim
23-11-12, 07:00 AM
One project at a time. If ever I could give a young bloke only one bit of crucial car advice, that would be it.

jd2365
23-11-12, 09:40 AM
Yer that's it. Putting kit on next week.

jd2365
23-11-12, 05:38 PM
I would be happy if it runs a 9.9 -9.8 how it is, full weight, stock convertor, diff gears and no spool.

sideways
24-11-12, 10:01 AM
One project at a time. If ever I could give a young bloke only one bit of crucial car advice, that would be it.

QFT. I'm 18 and I have 11 cars and 2 motorbikes. I don't think I'm ever going to finish anything.

Lobster
26-11-12, 11:01 AM
One project at a time. If ever I could give a young bloke only one bit of crucial car advice, that would be it.

Reminds me of this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG5kFMicB-E

blownhemi
26-11-12, 12:02 PM
QFT. I'm 18 and I have 11 cars and 2 motorbikes. I don't think I'm ever going to finish anything.

Yep, pick two favourites and sell the rest to finance the builds of those two.

Gem202T
26-11-12, 08:30 PM
there in lies the problem, you have them all cause they are all your favourites hahaha

jd2365
03-12-12, 08:39 PM
Don't know if ill have it ready in time for saturday. will try

jd2365
05-12-12, 05:47 PM
Looks like it will be a no show this weekend. Gave it a shot but not] enough hours in a day.

jd2365
10-12-12, 10:04 AM
What a fun weekend, done overs 12 skids in the vn, best run 10.85/65mph with a 2.50 60ft, tryed 98 octane but didn't like it. The old beast did heaps of big burnouts lol. Also took out my new car we just brought, A 1978 corona wagon with a nitrous V6. Had a few slight problems but went 9.00 at only 70 mph.

blownhemi
10-12-12, 10:39 AM
They don't have enough compression to take advantage of higher octane fuels, but use the 98 when you put nitrous on it.

You've got a baseline to work with now.

jd2365
10-12-12, 10:51 AM
Yeah had some left over so itryed it on the stock motor. The Corona wagon gave me a a base line, it only runs a 75hp shot and was cutting out on limiter at 5000.

ALLMTR
10-12-12, 02:24 PM
Pics of Corona?

jd2365
09-01-13, 03:57 PM
Motivation is back in this project, hopefully on track in febuary

[TUFFVQ]
17-04-14, 11:54 AM
any result?

ALLMTR
17-04-14, 07:32 PM
He hasn't been back on here since January last year...

Lobster
18-04-14, 02:49 PM
He didn't want to let us all down.... :sad: