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vet 180
15-11-13, 05:26 PM
This is going to take some work....A LOT OF WORK!


http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t546/Dean_Weltner/vitara_zps2562ba8c.jpg (http://s1313.photobucket.com/user/Dean_Weltner/media/vitara_zps2562ba8c.jpg.html)

http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t546/Dean_Weltner/vitaraback_zps20260ecd.jpg (http://s1313.photobucket.com/user/Dean_Weltner/media/vitaraback_zps20260ecd.jpg.html)

I may be drunk now, but surprisingly I wasn't when I bought it!


After much debating of what to do with the galloper, convert to auto and fit 1uz, fit another stock engine (did that once already and it lasted a month) I decided to sell and buy the pos above.


This thread will serve a little as a checklist:

1. Fit stock suspension back in. I do not want any suspension lift as I do not want an added stress to cv, axles and the driveline.
2. Buy a front diff and fit 4x4 gear back into the front end.
3. Buy bonnet and rhs front fender and replace due to small fender bender. Re-fit grill when done.
4. Replace rear trailing arm bushes. The rear end is looser than Kim K's after a Saturday night out.
5. Get brakes working better, hopefully it's just a bleed. The discs looked ok at least.
6. Fix clutch so I don't have to stick my toe under it pull the pedal back to release.
7. Fit same size tyres all round, currently has 3 different sizes, all more than 1 inch difference. Thinking 245/70 r16 or 265/70 r16 if they fit.
8. 1-2 inch body lift. I don't want it too high, just enough so the engine doesn't hit the bonnet and I can fit some reasonable tires. Maybe stock body bush on stock body bush if its not too dodgy? or just a 2inch kit.
9. Straighten the steering wheel so its not 70deg off centre.
10. Do something about the tint halfway down the windscreen. 10cm or so will be enough.
11. Remove Arabic sticker on the rear.
12. Fit a filter, not sure what type yet, mount afm so its not just dangling there
13. Get it to pass rego inspection and register.
14. Make cheap homemade pvc snorkel. Can hack up the current bonnet and fender.
13. Re-mount intercooler. Maybe I can just flip the core around so its not hanging so low.
14. Organise long term clutch solution
15. Diff lockers front and rear.
16. Tidy wiring and engine bay.
17. Only 4 wheels in the set, although I would prefer something more offrad spec with bigger offsets, I wheel keep them as they are 16's so landcruiser, pagero, hilux, fortuner, patrol, disco etc stock tyres all fit in nice sizes for the zook ranging from 28inch to 31. So good second hand tyres in good sizes will be cheap and easy. Around $40 AUD a tyre with 70% tread fitted.
18. Re-gas aircon

Other than that just a general tidy up of the car and get it to the point I can drive without a paper bag on my head.

MRMOPARMAN
15-11-13, 05:51 PM
wow, thats a fair old list!

so are these things any good off road? everyone here seems to go for the sierras, and a few jimny's

Do the safety dance.
15-11-13, 05:54 PM
You need a 4wd to get to the hairdresser?

132oft
15-11-13, 06:27 PM
Mine was pretty fucking awesome off-road. Until I lowered it and made it rwd only with a hilux diff and stuck a 12a turbo in it backed by an RX5 5speed. Then it was just always off(the)road.

vet 180
17-11-13, 10:48 PM
Number 6 and 1 can be crossed off. Got some work done on the weekend. Still not happy with how high up the clutch pedal sits on full release though.

vet 180
24-11-13, 12:31 AM
You need a 4wd to get to the hairdresser?

Of course! Otherwise I might have to get an MX5. I am sure I would enjoy the handling, but get tired of the constant advances of poo pushers.

vet 180
24-11-13, 01:06 AM
So got a bit of work done on this to the weekend. Got some new rear trailing arm bushes from Suzuki. Wanted to go OEM instead of super pro or something I think OEM will last longer, plus they were cheap just under $12U.S. a bush. You need 4 bushes.

I have removed the rear arms. All bushes are hard and cracked. 1 is completely split through the middle. I just need to take the arms to a press to get the old ones pressed out and the new ones pressed in.

This is how she sits now. Tires will be replaced for a set of 245/70 R16 duelers all round. Just some second handys for now. The wheels are growing on me, they will look good with the right sized tires. I wish they had a little more offset though. You can also see I removed the tinting half way down the windscreen (very Arabic thing to do), I wanted to keep just 5-10cms at the top, but I cut it a little crooked when I got to the rear view mirror. This shot also shows the front and rear overhand, compare this with a discovery 2, one of the reasons these are good offroad.

http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t546/Dean_Weltner/IMG_2667_zpsa00f6579.jpg

This is the damage I spoke about earlier. Not sure if I take this bumper in to be fixed or get a new used bumper.


http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t546/Dean_Weltner/IMG_2669_zps3ca7b6d3.jpg


Just playing around with the jack to see how it will look with a 2 inch body lift. I am still undecided on if I will go body lift. The rear tire is 245/70 r16. If I do go 2 inch body lift I think I will go 265/70 r16

http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t546/Dean_Weltner/IMG_2663_zps33a98ee6.jpg

These are the lights that came on the car when I got it. They are not hideous, but the remind me of the hacked up, rat rod wannabe, riced out piece of shit the car was when I bought it. So for this reason they must go.

http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t546/Dean_Weltner/IMG_2693-Copy_zpsf7db0210.jpg

One side stock, one side rice. The stock one looks much better imo. You can see the fuel tank bash plate if you look carefully.

http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t546/Dean_Weltner/IMG_2701_zps85af39aa.jpg

irsa76
24-11-13, 06:19 AM
Calmini does a 3+3 combo lift that doesn't stuff the CV joints, 3" body lift with 3" suspension lift which uses drop brackets to lower the front diff. Works well by all accounts, and it's decent quality. They also do a heavy duty sheet steel front axle housing, stock is cast alloy.

BigMuz
24-11-13, 06:45 AM
So instead of a C63 or E55 AMG you bought a $500 Vitara?

vet 180
24-11-13, 09:21 PM
Calmini does a 3+3 combo lift that doesn't stuff the CV joints, 3" body lift with 3" suspension lift which uses drop brackets to lower the front diff. Works well by all accounts, and it's decent quality. They also do a heavy duty sheet steel front axle housing, stock is cast alloy.

TBH I think 6 inch lift is too much for what I want. I want to keep it as low as possible, but with decent rubber. It is not going to be a rock crawler with big flex and 33inch tires. Will be used mostly for sand, trails and wadi's. I will keep in mind the 3 inch suspension lift with the diff drop though for future reference. I originally wanted the 2 body lift to get the engine fitting a little better and slightly larger tires. I am now undecided on that even.

In regards to the front diff. I recently bought the cast alloy diff from a wreckers as the car didn't have the front diff in. While I was there I did look into upgrade options for later on. They had plenty of GV steel case diffs. I didn't buy it now as I have believe I have to change the whole center out to mate it to my axles and I didn't have the original center. later down the track I might take that option, but for now just getting it running with the alloy diff will be nice.


So instead of a C63 or E55 AMG you bought a $500 Vitara?

Hahaha And it's even worse than that because it cost a LOT more than $500 :knock:

Still have the CL55 for road stuff, but you really need a 4x4 to see any nature here. There is a lot to explore if you have a 4x4. I am also loving the simplicity of this car. E.g. If the merc had a loud thud from the arse end I would be rather nervous and have no idea how to diagnose it. I bought this with a very loose rear end 95% certain a set of $50 bushes will fix it. I don't have many tools here, but this car will not need much more than a 10mm, 12mm, 13mm, 14mm and 17mm spanner. So I can work on a car again myself and its much more rewarding. The good thing about this vitara is that no matter what I do, it cant get any worse, so every little thing I change is a small improvement.

The E55 is an awesome car though! Not really comparable to my hacked up hairdresser transporter....

Do the safety dance.
25-11-13, 05:27 AM
The E55 is an awesome car though! Not really comparable to my hacked up hairdresser transporter....

Ha. Wasn't having a dig at you or the car in my previous post, just that when I read supercuts my mind thinks of those cheap hairdressers you find in shopping centers.

Tripper
25-11-13, 07:24 AM
Still have the CL55 for road stuff, but you really need a 4x4 to see any nature here. There is a lot to explore if you have a 4x4.

how fucking different can sand look, sand fucking sand everywhere

MRMOPARMAN
25-11-13, 08:29 AM
its an oasis dude

vet 180
26-11-13, 07:57 PM
Ha. Wasn't having a dig at you or the car in my previous post, just that when I read supercuts my mind thinks of those cheap hairdressers you find in shopping centers.

All good mate, I wouldn't hold it against you if you were....it's not too pretty haha.

Anyway this is how she is sitting now on the 245/70 R16's all round. I will go bigger eventually, but this will do for now.


http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t546/Dean_Weltner/244_zpsa73b7e34.jpg (http://s1313.photobucket.com/user/Dean_Weltner/media/244_zpsa73b7e34.jpg.html)

http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t546/Dean_Weltner/243_zpsd776b889.jpg (http://s1313.photobucket.com/user/Dean_Weltner/media/243_zpsd776b889.jpg.html)

http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t546/Dean_Weltner/240_zps1561f8bb.jpg (http://s1313.photobucket.com/user/Dean_Weltner/media/240_zps1561f8bb.jpg.html)

This is the worst bush I removed from the trailing arms. Fairly shagged. New ones are installed, but haven't had a chance to drive it to see the improvement.

http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t546/Dean_Weltner/272_zpsfcf84b54.jpg (http://s1313.photobucket.com/user/Dean_Weltner/media/272_zpsfcf84b54.jpg.html)

The extremely messy engine bay I have to get around to fixing. It's going to be a big job!

http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t546/Dean_Weltner/251_zps7634b89b.jpg (http://s1313.photobucket.com/user/Dean_Weltner/media/251_zps7634b89b.jpg.html)

MRMOPARMAN
26-11-13, 08:09 PM
http://cdn.overclock.net/0/0c/0cfd348d_vbattach207643.jpeg

that isnt the stock motor in there is it? looks like something turbo'd.. SR20?

irsa76
27-11-13, 07:38 PM
WTF? Is that fan "supposed" to be sitting on the rocker cover?

Do the safety dance.
27-11-13, 08:11 PM
I don't remember anything about an SR in the OP!

MRMOPARMAN
28-11-13, 04:15 AM
I reckon he has saved it as a bit of a suprise?
Its been 10+ years since I last worked on one, but didn't they come out with a pos 1.6l sohc carbie job?
Airflow meter on the exhaust side, silicon hoses and twin cam SR ish looking head makes me think otherwise. .

vet 180
28-11-13, 05:51 AM
http://cdn.overclock.net/0/0c/0cfd348d_vbattach207643.jpeg

that isnt the stock motor in there is it? looks like something turbo'd.. SR20?

Yeah s13 black top engine. It's a black top engine bro so way cooler than the s13 red top engine

Still runs the vitara gearbox and vitara clutch mated to machined s13 flywheel. Vague memory has the s13 clutch at 240 and the vitara at 215. Currently has a new stock vitara clutch in there, but I don't see that lasting for long. Also has the cable converted to a patrol hydo set up, so the current clutch is almost too light to drive. I am thinking a 4 puk sprung job long term.


WTF? Is that fan "supposed" to be sitting on the rocker cover?

I seriously doubt it! Looks like an air con fan, but it clicks on as soon as I start her up though. If I can place it at the front somewhere I might do that, otherwise I will just remove it. If I need more air in the bay I will just get a scoop from the turbo diesel vitara.


I don't remember anything about an SR in the OP!

Oh by the way it's got an SR. Dirty truck motor for a dirty little truck seemed appropriate. I am not happy with the current intercooler placement, not sure what to do there yet, and the wiring needs a huge tidy up, well the whole engine bay does. Things like s13 power steering reservoir just dangling not mounted to anything etc.

MRMOPARMAN
28-11-13, 06:09 AM
Thatescalatedquickly.jpg
This just got a whole lot more awesome! So what do I win for guessing it? :D

Sketchy
28-11-13, 10:39 AM
I came to ask what motor it had that required remounting of the intercooler as per OP.

Guess that sorted that out pretty quick. I hate SR's and I dont hate it in this, seems very right.

I imagine it would be pretty quick now then?

vet 180
29-11-13, 01:09 AM
So going to have a go at tidying up the dodgy wiring board loosely mounted to the strut tower via 1 bolt soon. Maybe this weekend

http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t546/Dean_Weltner/enginebay_zps753ce872.jpg (http://s1313.photobucket.com/user/Dean_Weltner/media/enginebay_zps753ce872.jpg.html)

So the wastegate solenoid is not even connected via vacuum....it is via wiring though. I am thinking of just unclipping it and finished.

The EGR sensor also doesn't look like its connected via vacuum, that is just wrapped into itself. Not sure if it's ment to be like that, but I doubt it. Also the plate that its all mounted to is earthed to the engine for some reason? Does the igniter chip that is on this plate need to be earthed to the engine?

I am thinking I will just put the engine earth on the strut tower, remove the igniter chip from the plate and then mount that to the body out the way. Unplug the egr sensor and wastegate solenoid and piss off the messy plate, wastegate solenoid and egr valve all together. Put it away in the cupboard.

Anyone see any issues with this?

I am also going to hit that side of the engine bay with oven cleaner. I think Cracker or someone mentioned oven cleaner is good in greasy engine bays it in another build thread after they used BBQ cleaner to degrease a bellhousing. I was impressed with how well the BBQ cleaner worked on the bellhousing so keen to give the oven cleaner a crack.

Does anyone know how careful I have to be with getting the oven cleaner on things like rubber hoses, or silicon sealant on things like timing covers? Should I wrap the rubber hoses in plastic or something before spaying the oven cleaner?

vet 180
29-11-13, 05:08 AM
Thatescalatedquickly.jpg
This just got a whole lot more awesome! So what do I win for guessing it? :D

Advice on how to 1uz your wanker....


I came to ask what motor it had that required remounting of the intercooler as per OP.

Guess that sorted that out pretty quick. I hate SR's and I dont hate it in this, seems very right.

I imagine it would be pretty quick now then?

Cheers! I am all for horses for courses.

SR's take heat pretty well and that's rather important here.

Biggest weakness is the bottom end bearings crap out from sustained high rpm and oil heat/starvation from the drift crowd. A 6L sump is on this one, so hopefully that should help there.

As far as quickness goes I haven't driven it a lot, there are still a few restrictions to fix such as 2.5inch crush bent exhaust (the 90deg bend in the dump being the biggest issue) and she is still running stock boost. So there is some easy power to be had, but 1000kg kerb weight, 5.12 diff gears and 28.5inch tires means she accelerates reasonably rapid. Not out rightly quick, but not slow. I did accidently (and I genuinely mean accidently) get it sideways the other day, strange feeling being sideways in a cube. It's a little snap happy with the short wheel base on the road, but in 4x4 mode I think it should balance out nicely and I will enjoy the agility.

Justin Bieber
31-12-13, 11:13 PM
Love this thing! Any details on how they've mated up the Vitara gearbag to the SR? Custom bellhousing or something off the shelf? A Sierra with an SR20 would be an absolute beast offroad!

I don't understand how this can't be bullshit fast. I guess the big tyres and diff ratios slow it down quite a bit, i'd just expect it to haul arse. Unless your daily runs 10s and it's just slower in comparison? :D

Have they got a 1/4 mile drag strip in Dubai? Would love to see something with the aero dynamics of a piece of sheet metal run an 11!! Last time I can recall was a Kombi with some sort of porsche motor in it out at Willowbank, was beyond awesome.

vet 180
03-01-14, 01:24 AM
Love this thing! Any details on how they've mated up the Vitara gearbag to the SR? Custom bellhousing or something off the shelf? A Sierra with an SR20 would be an absolute beast offroad!

I don't understand how this can't be bullshit fast. I guess the big tyres and diff ratios slow it down quite a bit, i'd just expect it to haul arse. Unless your daily runs 10s and it's just slower in comparison? :D

Have they got a 1/4 mile drag strip in Dubai? Would love to see something with the aero dynamics of a piece of sheet metal run an 11!! Last time I can recall was a Kombi with some sort of porsche motor in it out at Willowbank, was beyond awesome.

Cheers mate. Yeah they mated the sr20 to the vitara gearbang via a custom adaptor plate. I was told they also had to machine the sr20 flywheel to fit in the bellhousing (yay cheap lightweight flywheel :p). It runs a vitara clutch which is 215mm vs the 240mm of the stock sr20 unit on the machined sr flywheel. I will take it all apart soon, fit a 4 puk clutch and get pics for you. Also custom sump is needed to clear everything. I am happy with the sump as its a 6L item and oil starvation is probably the biggest killer of sr's. Makes it a pita to work on though.... things are mm perfect.

I sierra with an sr in some ways would be an easier conversion as you have the separate transfer case. So you can just run the sr gearbox. You would defiantly need some body lift to clear bonnet etc and I expect a custom sump also. The benefit of the sierra also is the live front and rear axles allowing you to upgrade to hilux items easy.

Yeah, the car is faster than it should be lol. Feels strange in such a swb cube, but this forum has some pretty mental cars that would make this look slow. My daily wouldn't do 10's but it's not slow either. Actually the tyre size and diff ratio are pretty much bang on....in fact I could go bigger with the tyre. The tyres are roughly 29inches with 5.12 diff gears. So 4th gear will max out at 120mph give or take.

Dubai has no 1/4, but Abu Dhabi does. Its only 300ish kms away. I do plan to take it there at some stage. Due to growing up in Adelaide with no strip I don't really have a good feel for estimated 1/4 times. Only car I have taken to the strip was here in UAE and that was a mates northstar v8 fwd caddy that ran a 15 flat. Obviously this is a fair wack faster than that car (feels faster than your average boosted silvia/r33 or SS also). I seriously doubt it would do 11's in it's current state though. It has a pissy t25g on there, stock boost, tune and injectors. I would guess 13.xx just because of the lack of weight. A mate here has a rb26 running twin hks 2510's. Apparently only 1 is causing a smoke show. As soon as I figure out which one is it I might slap the good one in the t25g housing, bolt in some unknown cams I have, high flow the injectors and give it a tune. Then it might get closer to that 11. The combi would have been a sight! I love seeing odd ball bricks surprise people too.

132oft
03-01-14, 02:13 AM
Used to be a Diahatsu Feroza on the Gold Coast with an SR20 turbo that did 11's. I only ever got my 12at Vitara into mid 13's before I lost my patience with the cunt of a thing and parted it out after it lay dormant for a year or so. The times when it wasn't broken it was ridiculously fun though.

vet 180
03-01-14, 02:21 AM
Used to be a Diahatsu Feroza on the Gold Coast with an SR20 turbo that did 11's. I only ever got my 12at Vitara into mid 13's before I lost my patience with the cunt of a thing and parted it out after it lay dormant for a year or so. The times when it wasn't broken it was ridiculously fun though.

Have a thread?

What was the set up? Any words of advice of things I might expect to break?

12a+t in a vitara would be fun, just for the sound alone. Oh which reminds me, a mate from Belgium came over, when I started it he mentioned "it even sounds like a little truck motor, suits the car perfectly". I laughed and thought of PF.

132oft
03-01-14, 03:55 AM
Back then I was only occasionally lurking PF, so here's the condensed build thread. Lowered 2" c/o King Springs not long after I got it in '96. Had numerous doof-doof setups. Spent years as a daily and beach runner and was reliable as all fuck, only having to replace fuel, tyres and two starter motors as they were designed to ingest sand. A large part of tree fell on it in a storm. Replaced windscreen and turret and soft-top lever thingy. Other than that was just servicing. Then I had the bright idea of sticking a rotary in it. Cue endless stream of breakages. But I digress. Due to space constraints, we binned the Vitara front diff so was RWD only, I sold the box and transfer case to a guy who's Vitara I recently towed and required a box, sold the engine to a guy with a Sierra. Ran a hilux rear diff which was actually marginally narrower than the Vitara unit, so only had to change suspension mounts over and threw what was left in the bin, and Mazda box(es). Broke two RX5 5-speeds before changing to a S4 turbo 5-speed. Curiously, despite diff and gearbox changes the speedo was dead accurate. If I did it over, it would be auto and there would be chassis bracing and front/rear engine mounting plates. Engine and box were only held in by front plate and gearbox mount, expect this had a hand in the 2 gearbags failing, and also cracked a centre plate which led to getting a new plate and having the motor CNC drilled/dowelled. Converted to hydraulic clutch. Ran a 4-puck unsprung clutch.

Only pics I have -

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg181/towie247/willow_02_114_24b.jpg

Guy in the MX6 is a member here, that thing had a heap of money thrown at it.
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg181/towie247/Drags018.jpg

He didn't win this race either.
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg181/towie247/Drags009.jpg

I eventually got around to painting the rest of the car. Had the bay done while the engine was out. This photo is years after I got rid of it and it had been through a few owners. The wheels were changed and it was lifted. Some clown put clear tail-lights in it. Somebody put it back to 4x4, and in this photo has a 4age. At one point, I believe it had a 4agze. I'm told that to this day, the car still has the decals on it - it would have been early 2000's we did this I think, I had it at Jamboree 12 but didn't race it because it was broken, had a vacuum leak that turned out to be a poorly seated injector, and I did race it at J13, but it pinched a side seal a week later and that was the last time I drove it.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg181/towie247/14022009701.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg181/towie247/14022009702.jpg

Some pictures of one with a truck engine for inspiration.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg181/towie247/geo_tracker_ls1_2_zps7b1dd44e.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg181/towie247/geo_tracker_ls1_zpsc6ff909f.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg181/towie247/black_geo_zps8468a774.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg181/towie247/0328102300-00_zps4328c9f8.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg181/towie247/58527_430220639134_722089134_5177090_3601895_n_zps d4ba3d9a.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg181/towie247/47363_430220699134_722089134_5177091_4697078_n_zps c87f55a0.jpg

ZammoTheCockroach
03-01-14, 07:48 AM
theres a SR20 vitara up here that'll run 12s all day its a beasty

smithbro
09-01-14, 01:42 PM
This is seriously cool. Being an SR20 conversion enthusiast I was super happy when I spotted that blacktop under the bonnet! Would be a nice little beast off-road! So did they remove all the front diff/axles etc when the conversion was originally done?

vet 180
10-01-14, 05:53 PM
This is seriously cool. Being an SR20 conversion enthusiast I was super happy when I spotted that blacktop under the bonnet! Would be a nice little beast off-road! So did they remove all the front diff/axles etc when the conversion was originally done?

Cheers mate. Pity its not a real black top as the t28 would have been nice. The vct also if it didn't get the death rattle. 1 less thing to go wrong I guess. The conversion was done with the diff in thank god. They removed later and lowered it.

vet 180
10-01-14, 06:47 PM
Back then I was only occasionally lurking PF, so here's the condensed build thread. Lowered 2" c/o King Springs not long after I got it in '96. Had numerous doof-doof setups. Spent years as a daily and beach runner and was reliable as all fuck, only having to replace fuel, tyres and two starter motors as they were designed to ingest sand. A large part of tree fell on it in a storm. Replaced windscreen and turret and soft-top lever thingy. Other than that was just servicing. Then I had the bright idea of sticking a rotary in it. Cue endless stream of breakages. But I digress. Due to space constraints, we binned the Vitara front diff so was RWD only, I sold the box and transfer case to a guy who's Vitara I recently towed and required a box, sold the engine to a guy with a Sierra. Ran a hilux rear diff which was actually marginally narrower than the Vitara unit, so only had to change suspension mounts over and threw what was left in the bin, and Mazda box(es). Broke two RX5 5-speeds before changing to a S4 turbo 5-speed. Curiously, despite diff and gearbox changes the speedo was dead accurate. If I did it over, it would be auto and there would be chassis bracing and front/rear engine mounting plates. Engine and box were only held in by front plate and gearbox mount, expect this had a hand in the 2 gearbags failing, and also cracked a centre plate which led to getting a new plate and having the motor CNC drilled/dowelled. Converted to hydraulic clutch. Ran a 4-puck unsprung clutch.

Only pics I have -

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg181/towie247/willow_02_114_24b.jpg

Guy in the MX6 is a member here, that thing had a heap of money thrown at it.
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg181/towie247/Drags018.jpg

He didn't win this race either.
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg181/towie247/Drags009.jpg

I eventually got around to painting the rest of the car. Had the bay done while the engine was out. This photo is years after I got rid of it and it had been through a few owners. The wheels were changed and it was lifted. Some clown put clear tail-lights in it. Somebody put it back to 4x4, and in this photo has a 4age. At one point, I believe it had a 4agze. I'm told that to this day, the car still has the decals on it - it would have been early 2000's we did this I think, I had it at Jamboree 12 but didn't race it because it was broken, had a vacuum leak that turned out to be a poorly seated injector, and I did race it at J13, but it pinched a side seal a week later and that was the last time I drove it.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg181/towie247/14022009701.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg181/towie247/14022009702.jpg

Some pictures of one with a truck engine for inspiration.


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Thanks for that. Sounds like you liked/enjoyed the car so decided to mod it. Then the car became really fun, but quite unreliable. A lot of the reliability issues sound specific to the rotor conversion. The rotor gives the bay a lot of space and looks real tidy.

I am interested, did you ever run the vitara rear diff with the rotor, or just decided to run the hilux item up front? Part of me thinks it might be easier to go hilux rear with a hilux ifs front for strength, but I like the current 5.12 gears and considering the front diff is so tight it might be hard to fit anything else. I know the front diffs are a bit of a week point, but they mostly crack the alloy housings due to running big heavy tires and big lift kits. I don't hear much about the centers exploding. I am not looking to build a rock crawler, so hopefully the front diff holds the power. I am also not looking to clutch dump at every set of lights. I will take a thrashing, but most of it's beating will be on a loose surface. Hoping the lack of traction helps keep things together. The previous owner also ran a cushioned 4 puk clutch and I am sure he would have dragged every man and his camel. In fact he cracked the clutch disc behind the SR. He did 1 rear diff in his time with it. He also did 1 box on the old engine g16b+t then installed the "big gear" which is apparently a stronger gearbox. After that he never did a box which included all its life as the SR.

Do you remember your best mph with your build? I guess the box and other reliability issues would have made it uninspiring to give it everything down the quarter. Would have turned a lot of heads still.

The LS...That particular conversion looks really well done. I have no idea how he got that engine so low (maybe no front diff?). Also there is barely enough room to fit the SR length wise....How does that LS look so at home. In saying all that, I wouldn't do the LS into a vitara personally. I think I would just start with something stronger out the box. Like a GU shorty or something. The LS is far from a heavy v8, it's quite light in fact, but you already notice the extra weight of the sr20 over the front end. Although it does help a little with stability at highway cruising speeds, I wouldn't want anything heavier in there (I guess that is why a lot of effort has gone into fitting that LS pictured so low and far back). Then by the time you run stronger gearbox and transfer, stronger diffs, tailshafts, driveshafts etc it's no longer going to be such a light car. A GU shorty would be a much easier base to start with and cause less hassles long term. Plus you would be making a GU lighter by fitting the LS.

132oft
10-01-14, 08:09 PM
We ran the Hilux diff from the get-go, figuring we'd only end up having to change it anyway. At least we got that part right I guess. And yeah, you hit the nail on the head with your first few sentences about my years with that car. The breaking issues/final straw aside, I never was concerned about driving it to Willowbank and back to race it. I wouldn't take it up the beach though, which I really wanted to do, just in case it broke down up there? Fucked if I know what I was thinking, definitely had my head screwed on wrong, it was just over 200km 1-way, hell, I even drove it back from the gold coast after one gearbox incident during a race with a turbo swift. I went to grab 4th but it was jammed in 3rd. Other gearbox failure was the same thing - locked in 3rd gear. I had someone with me that night too, might have been Rhys (the guy with the MX-6 pictured above). Anyway, mph.

During one session of bracket racing, my fastest mph during practice was in the 99s @ 14.0/14.1's, I was disappointed with that but it was pretty consistent. First elimination round, I'd nominated 13.9 and was against a Torana on a 12.9. The Torrie never got near me so I buttoned off and still broke out, coasting over the line at 90 for a 13.5. Had I known I was going to break out and kept into it instead, would I have made it into the 12's and gone over 100mph? Maybe, but I don't know and never found out. We all bailed after that down to Broadwater etc for shenanigans before heading back up the coast.

If it's the housings that fail rather than the equipment inside, is bracing it with alloy plate a possibility?

vet 180
12-01-14, 02:34 PM
We ran the Hilux diff from the get-go, figuring we'd only end up having to change it anyway. At least we got that part right I guess. And yeah, you hit the nail on the head with your first few sentences about my years with that car. The breaking issues/final straw aside, I never was concerned about driving it to Willowbank and back to race it. I wouldn't take it up the beach though, which I really wanted to do, just in case it broke down up there? Fucked if I know what I was thinking, definitely had my head screwed on wrong, it was just over 200km 1-way, hell, I even drove it back from the gold coast after one gearbox incident during a race with a turbo swift. I went to grab 4th but it was jammed in 3rd. Other gearbox failure was the same thing - locked in 3rd gear. I had someone with me that night too, might have been Rhys (the guy with the MX-6 pictured above). Anyway, mph.

During one session of bracket racing, my fastest mph during practice was in the 99s @ 14.0/14.1's, I was disappointed with that but it was pretty consistent. First elimination round, I'd nominated 13.9 and was against a Torana on a 12.9. The Torrie never got near me so I buttoned off and still broke out, coasting over the line at 90 for a 13.5. Had I known I was going to break out and kept into it instead, would I have made it into the 12's and gone over 100mph? Maybe, but I don't know and never found out. We all bailed after that down to Broadwater etc for shenanigans before heading back up the coast.

If it's the housings that fail rather than the equipment inside, is bracing it with alloy plate a possibility?

Nice. So it wasn't slow. Unreliability aside the rotor would sound nicer than the sr in there.

lol on the driving back. My old 4x4 got stuck in 5th deep in the desert one time. Could still select low and high range. Used low range to get it to the nearest highway, then high range to get it back to Dubai. Was also around 200km. A lot of clutch riding and being real aggressive with guys in front slowing down for roundabouts/corners. Tried to avoid lights which is easier here.

RE the diff, there is a grand vitara that came with a steel housing. The housing fits into the vitara, so I can put my insides into the housing and then into the car. Since I had to buy a diff for it, I was considering doing that from the get go. I didn't because I wanted to make sure I had the right diff for fitment incase there was misalignment issues etc. Wanted to see where things line up with the stock diff before I put a different casing in. I still would have had to buy both anyway, this way the diff just has to come out again.

vet 180
18-04-14, 12:14 AM
Haven't had much time to get stuck into this recently, but should see some progress soon. Had a chance to find more and more dodgyness, the list of things to do is a bit overwhelming. I think I just have to hit it task by task.

Have bought a Clutch center I will Frankenstein together as well as some stock V6 front springs to take the extra weight over the front end.

vet 180
24-04-14, 07:35 PM
So finally got the diff bolted in properly was difficult to get it nipped right up. Reason is because the engine is touching the diff! So really have to raise the engine and get a body lift for it. Damn hacked up cars so annoying mostly because this crap should have been done off the bat

MRMOPARMAN
24-04-14, 08:04 PM
the result will be well worth the effort. keep up the good work dude!

vet 180
26-04-14, 05:19 PM
the result will be well worth the effort. keep up the good work dude!

Cheers mate!

I will bite the bullet and probably make my own 40mm body lift. I want to keep it as small as possible. TBH I am not a big fan of body lift in general and really wanted to avoid doing it. It's just pointless as you are going to hit the diff first, then chassis. With cars like this one with very little overhang, narrow and short wheelbase body lift just makes it easier to tip.

I guess I should look at the benefits. The engine will fit. I currently have all bracing cut out the bonnet, the engine still touches the skin and the bottom of the engine hits the diff. Also with a 40mm body lift I should be able to fit 265/70 r16's (30.6 x 10.45 for the imperial guys). This will be the largest tire I will want to run. It also comes stock on the current model Pajero which is the most sold car in UAE so makes tires cheap and easy. If the engine fit I would be happy to run the 245/70 r16's (29.5 x 9.6) as the diff clearance should be comparable to patrol/cruiser on 33's. I remember when I had my sierra on tiny 28 inch tires I compared the diff clearance to a mates patrol on 33's and it was equal.

vet 180
30-05-14, 06:24 PM
So got a little work done on this recently.

I also got these made up:

http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t546/Dean_Weltner/IMG_3415_zps34e12524.jpg

For the molded part of the body rubbers I did this:

http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t546/Dean_Weltner/IMG_3255_zpsb6dcb421.jpg

http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t546/Dean_Weltner/IMG_3256_zps1c166d4a.jpg

And this is how she looks now:

http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t546/Dean_Weltner/IMG_3265_zpsdd7de88e.jpg

I will need to order the bolts from jimnybits or something as nothing useful is available in the UAE with the 1.25 thread. So now it's got the blocks in and ready to nip up.

I was thinking instead of cutting and welding the shifters would just lifting the transfer 2 inches be a better idea? The transfer is the lowest part so getting that up would really make the body lift worth it.

Also have a Frankenstein 4 puk cushioned button vitara clutch to go in. I will do the same time I raise the engine after the body lift. One thing that sucks about the body lift is it will make changing the turbo later on more difficult as the strut towers will be in the way.

Also installed a front fender to replace the dodgy one and have a bonnet ready to go.

oh and one other thing I did was remove the clutch master. The car was originally a cable and the master wasn't installed the way I like it, the clutch pedal fully released sits an inch or 2 higher than the brake, makes it really difficult to drive. The reason it was installed like that is because the strut tower prevents the clutch master from sitting any lower, so the knob end before me welded a bar very close to the pivot point on the pedal to engage the master. The problem with this is 11tbillion inches of travel at the tip of the pedal is only a mm where the master is.....where it counts. Even if I change the pick up point by 1/2 an inch it will help and I will just slightly tilt the master if I have to.

vet 180
21-06-14, 05:18 PM
Got a little work done on this recently.

Got the hd clutch installed.
Mocked up the new angle and pedal mounts for the hydro clutch master cyl
Mocked up a transfer and gearbox crossmember lift. Should give 1.5 inches more clearance at the lowest point of the center of the car
Fixed engine mounts and remounted engine so it doesn't contact the front diff...

Still a lot to do



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darwinschops
22-06-14, 05:12 PM
Do like. Will be good to see done. ls vitara also freaking awesome.

MRMOPARMAN
22-06-14, 09:54 PM
just be careful with the tailshaft angles at full droop. dont wanna spit a uni from too much angle!

vet 180
23-06-14, 02:37 AM
just be careful with the tailshaft angles at full droop. dont wanna spit a uni from too much angle!

Yeah have it in mind. One of the reasons I did the body lift as opposed to suspension lift with huge droop. I'll run duel lockers and less articulation. Wont matter as much if a wheel is in the air if it's twin locked. Also due to the height of the engine compared to a g16 the transfer is currently on a bit of a gangster lean so the angles will not be affected that badly.

Some pic to show what I am talking about:

Looks like my transfer is lower than the cross member. I severely doubt a stock one would sit that low.


http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t546/Dean_Weltner/IMG_3349_zpsaf2735b1.jpg

http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t546/Dean_Weltner/IMG_3348_zps1862de08.jpg

http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t546/Dean_Weltner/IMG_3348_zps1862de08.jpg



My amazing measuring device. Interestingly the rear diff had roughly the same clearance. So having the transfer this low is a big disadvantage being in the belly. The tube that goes through the chassis with the hump for the zorst is higher.
http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t546/Dean_Weltner/IMG_3332_zps82c792d3.jpg
http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t546/Dean_Weltner/IMG_3328_zpsffff4db9.jpg



Really wanted to try out my new very expensive spirit level. I even pulled the front coil pack to make sure they are not the issue. Looks like it is defiantly leaning back. Therefore lifting the transfer/gearbox cross member shouldn't effect the tail shaft angles too much. If done on a stocker it could point the box slightly up which would mess up the angles big time.



http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t546/Dean_Weltner/IMG_3350_zpse7bc4064.jpg



I wont go through into too much detail of all the boring info, but I will lift the gearbox cross member on one side and also lift the mounts a little. The mounts will be staggered lift so the box sits level. This will give 1.5 inches extra clearance at the lowest point of the cross member. It will lift the transfer above the crossmember giving 2 inches more clearance than currently. The highest point of that can be bashed will be only be a little less than half an inch higher than current, but this point is already over an inch higher than any other part of the cross member.


Oh and here is a pic of engine touching diff before it was fixed.

http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t546/Dean_Weltner/IMG_3345_zps1a27075b.jpg

I didn't get any pics of the flywheel set up, but the flywheel is just an sr20 unit, but the meat of the flywheel has been machined down an inch or so on the outer meaty edge, so the teeth of the flywheel stick out a lot more that the meat. The dowels have been relocated to suit a vitara unit. The flywheel would be a lot lighter than a stock sr20 unit and with the weight being closer to center it would help a lot with response. My guess is it would be worth a couple hundred rpm in spool time. Explains why the engine is so revy and second gear in this feels like 1st in a silvia.

SR20 KE30
25-06-14, 09:16 PM
nice work mate, keep at it. Looks like a real good idea lifting that transfer as much as possible, flatten things out a bit. I doubt the tailshaft unis will ever be an issue, it would take some pretty wild custom suspension setup to bind them up.