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peal
09-03-15, 06:37 PM
Hi fellas,

Currently looking for a td42 99-2000 patrol, they seem slightly better value that their toyota counterparts.

About to inspect this;

http://www.carsales.com.au//private/details/_/SSE-AD-3215235?WT.seg_4=EnquiryAlert;PCAA

Any advice regard things to specifically look for?

KMs slightly high, but it appears very clean.

First owner was a diesel mechanic, so the log books aren't completed - should I run? Seller sounds very genuine.

nine2nine
09-03-15, 06:48 PM
That looks pretty good. The km are fine and if it drives fine there isn't too much more to it.
Check the drivers side rear spring perch for cracks/splits. If it's cracked a strengthening kit will need to be welded in, normally only a problem if they've been badly overloaded.
Be prepared to spend some money making it go a bit better as they are slow standard.

nine2nine
09-03-15, 06:51 PM
I've done 100k km in mine (now 320k km) and never had an issue besides normal maintenance/modification. Pretty much just changed fluids and wheel bearings.

Southo
09-03-15, 07:09 PM
That doesn't look shabby at all,

I got $29,000 for this one about 14mths ago
http://www.motorsportfotos.com/gallery/v/FOR_SALE/TD42_GU/
http://performanceforums.com/forums/showthread.php?67291658-99-GU-Patrol-TD-4-2-Manual-ST-7-Seater&highlight=patrol

peal
09-03-15, 07:31 PM
Thanks fellas. I was thinking it was a good price and the kms weren't really my concern as long as it looks clean.

It's got a 3inch exhaust which I assume will help with power output. Not after anything crazy, just want to be able to get out of the city on the weekends.

MRMOPARMAN
09-03-15, 09:51 PM
make extra super sure its not a flood damaged/cobbled together from 300 wreckers car etc.

workmate, young and stupid, bought the first one he saw, an 05 td42 ute.. from a wrecker.

i started listing the problems as i was walking up to it for the first time. it was THAT bad.

patrols are paticularly bad for it, as theres lots getting written off 4x4ing, floods etc.. and a good dollar to be made from unsuspecting buyers.

peal
09-03-15, 10:11 PM
Will get in thoroughly inspected by NRMA and revs checked. If I'm dropping the coin I make 100% sure it's legit.

dan-
09-03-15, 10:52 PM
the TD42 GU's are a very solid truck, but generally you pay a premium for what they are. there is a common problem with the early TD42 GU's that they'll strip 5th gear - and if they do, you are up for a gearbox rebuild which is about $3k i think. besides that, not many major problems with them. a regular minor problem is they'll get a wobble on at highway speeds but replacing the bushes will fix it.

km's don't seem to be a worry - they are about average for a TD42. they will easily go to 500,000km+ without a rebuild. if you find one with under 200,000km then it'll cost an extra $10k easy.

there is a fair chance with a TD42 GU that cheap that it has had a rough history so make sure you give it a thorough looking over for rust, cracks in the chassis or suspension mounts, engine condition, etc. check the VIN number to see if it is a factory TD42 as a lot of the cheap early GU's were 3.0ltrs that went bang and had a conversion. i am pretty sure that the box, diffs, etc are all the same so it is an easy conversion but worth ensuring it was done right if so. i think the early TD42 GU's might have only came as N/A models too so check the turbo kit is done properly. the TD42's are strong as an ox, but they are not unbreakable so go into it with your eyes open.

the patrol 4x4 forum is full of helpful friendly blokes, worth a look

Southo
09-03-15, 11:20 PM
......the patrol 4x4 forum is full of helpful friendly blokes, worth a look

Yep, jump on there and your first post should be, I hate Landcruisers and want a Patrol..... They will love you :P ha ha ha

peal
10-03-15, 06:45 PM
Foot to the floor in fifth at 100km and zero acceleration, that's not normal is it?

On the flat too.

Southo
10-03-15, 06:58 PM
What RPM ??
From the pics - looks like it has larger tyres, so that will mean it's a few hundred RPM down, so will take a little while to build up some boost etc...
What is it like in 4th ?

Or are you saying it accelerates to 100 and then hits a wall??

South
10-03-15, 08:22 PM
Its a turbo diesel, its always on boost, and will be on peak or close enough to peak boost at 100.
Without tweaking I've seen a few behave like that, even seen one tweaked that hit a wall at 110 and needed to slow down...just the way it goes

peal
10-03-15, 08:26 PM
Nah just felt incredibly under powered, I drove a stock 80 series a few days ago that was about 8 yrs older with way more power. Tyres were 32s, so not overly large. Wondering if the turbo was off or motor was tired.

Had nothing below about 2200rpm.

cracka
10-03-15, 08:45 PM
Old man has one for sale. Brand new factory td42 long block, new td05, 400,000km old 99 gu chassis. Blew last one up because failed non speedflow/knockoff water fitting. Think he wants 16? Never been off road but it's towed shit across the country 700 times. Goes like a healthy TD should though. Brissy.

da9jeff
10-03-15, 08:55 PM
Did you give it a couple of seconds to build boost? Old mech injection diesels without vnt turbos are usually pretty laggy from stock.

nine2nine
10-03-15, 09:28 PM
I did warn you they were slow.

Did you try 4th? Stock turbo needs some fuel wound into it to do anything. Mine was painfully slow when I got it but it was also on 33's with every touring accessory you could name fitted.

South
10-03-15, 10:02 PM
Nah just felt incredibly under powered, I drove a stock 80 series a few days ago that was about 8 yrs older with way more power. Tyres were 32s, so not overly large. Wondering if the turbo was off or motor was tired.

Had nothing below about 2200rpm.

Thats how they are, its an old school diesel. Drop 5k on bolt ons and it'll go MUCH better
Stock tojo vs stock pootrol the tojo wins hands down, every time. But spend big on both and they are like for like, except tojo will have more top end speed and wont overheat.

Drive some others of similar setup, then go for a lap in a quick one.

peal
10-03-15, 10:44 PM
Yer fourth wasn't too bad. This seemed awfully slow, felt like driving a small four cylinder with no torque. Time didn't help at all, just wouldn't go anywhere in fifth gear even after minute of flat foot. My mates 80 series in comparison pulls hard in fifth.

I think it'll go back to looking at cruisers.

Neil.
10-03-15, 11:08 PM
The ht18 is shit, needs moar UFI 18g and 12mm pump

peal
11-03-15, 11:18 AM
Probably. Back to the search. The car had another annoying issues, bent steering arm from hitting a ditch, rear door that had been swung off by kids so rattled very loudly, sway bars removed so had mega body roll.

hrd
11-03-15, 02:24 PM
one thing to check on any TD42 GU wagon is if it was originally TD42. It's a pretty common thing to buy a blown ZD30 or RD28 with a blown head/pump and swap an old TD42 in there to make a quick buck.

On any test drive make sure you get to a 100 zone. Patrols, particularly with any lift or larger rubber, commonly get front end shakes. It generally worst around 80-90km/h if it's going to happen, so make sure you sit on 90 for a little while.

peal
13-03-15, 08:12 PM
So how slow are these stock? Was the one I drove normal?

nine2nine
13-03-15, 08:27 PM
Can't remember exactly but I remember needing 4th to overtake on the highway and wouldn't attempt it if I didn't have plenty of room or it was up a hill.
Just by adding a 3" exhaust and putting a little more fuel in yourself you can make them perfectly drivable so it's not a big deal. The one you drove probably would have had a tired fuel pump with those kilometers which means or was probably getting less than standard fueling. They only come running 7 psi too, so upping that to 14 psi helps.

Very easy to play with because of the mechanical fuel pump. It's just screws and diaphragms.

peal
13-03-15, 08:33 PM
It had a three inch exhaust and recently had the pump and injectors rebuilt/serviced. As far as the owner knew, it was on stock boost.

nine2nine
13-03-15, 08:39 PM
Boost and fuel definitely helps. Stock they are around 60rwkw and boost and fuel can take them to 100rwkw with the stock turbo. Change turbos and the stock fuel pump will go to 130rwkw. Quite easy and cheap to improve performance.
My heavy touring wagon ran 16.1@86mph on 33's with a pretty mild set up.

dan-
15-03-15, 08:08 PM
the 1hdt 80 series cruisers are much quicker than the TD42's, but hard to find and reallllllly expensive. the 100 series are also quick and decent, but IFS and expensive.

it sounds like you are not shopping on the once-in-a-lifetime grey nomad budget that most buyers of TD42 and 1HDT have. apparently the post-2007 3.0ltr patrols with common rail injection don't have the reliability problems of the earlier 3.0ltrs. they go much better than you described the TD42 as well. i have a 2010 and no problems with it yet, touch wood. it still pulls on the km fairly easily at 110kph. they are good buying because of the problems with the early ones. can easily get a 2009-2011 model with barely any km and a heap of mods for under $30k. the 1hz 105 series cruisers are also a good rig. slow as shit, but solid front end, cheap and super reliable.

peal
16-03-15, 05:25 PM
One of the appeals of buying the 1hd or td42 is also the resale. Still too afraid of the 3L to purchase one.

dnegative
16-03-15, 05:46 PM
Had nothing below about 2200rpm.

Normal
TD42T's have nothing down low

dan-
16-03-15, 05:51 PM
One of the appeals of buying the 1hd or td42 is also the resale. Still too afraid of the 3L to purchase one.

you're going to struggle getting a good 1hd or td42 for under $35k i reckon

nine2nine
16-03-15, 07:00 PM
I paid $30k for mine 5 years a go off an old couple that just used it to your Australia, 225000km on it then. Was already twin locked, long range tank, winch, drawers, kaymar rear bar, etc. The thing was in mint condition too. Only 2" lift and 285's with stock side steps. You just have to look hard enough and be prepared to travel to the car.

agentcrm
16-03-15, 09:27 PM
One of the appeals of buying the 1hd or td42 is also the resale. Still too afraid of the 3L to purchase one.

I doubt the 3L it up to task of a loaded rig, even without a camper.

IMO it's to small for the class of vehicle, should be in the D40.

That being said >$10,000 for an early 3L leave plenty for converting to a decent motor.

dnegative
16-03-15, 09:45 PM
They are fine, not balls to the wall fast but I drove a GU wagon after I replaced a piston and put a head on one and straight away, felt way peppier than my TD42ti.
Have no doubt that it would tow better.

TD42's have zero, and I mean zero balls down low when stock.
If I'm towing a car with mine and its a decent hill start, its either a 4000rpm clutch slip or it back to low range, 1st.

nine2nine
17-03-15, 08:41 AM
The main difference in down low is the 3l have 4.3 gears and the 4.2's have 3.9's.

I do agree though, it is surprising how the zd30 moves a Patrol along.

dnegative
17-03-15, 06:18 PM
It shuffles along on the highway when the revs are up and once your doing 3200rpm in 4th they are fine for overtaking semi's but getting to 110km/h takes me near on 550m on dead flat ground;
Stock, they suck below 3000rpm and fuck do they use fuel. ZD30's pull better everywhere but explode, only reason people like the 4.2's is because they are reliable, otherwise they are on par with every other shitbox 6pot jap truck motor. Then again, the oil light in mine takes 4 seconds to switch off on long standing starts ;)


As for everything else, absolutely fucking bulletproof drive-line and chassis wise;
Bashed mine up a gutter at 80km/h when a cock did a illegal uturn a few years ago, never an issue, had it upto the sills in mud, never an issue, bounced it around all sorts of shit off-road, never an issue.

dan-
17-03-15, 09:54 PM
I paid $30k for mine 5 years a go off an old couple that just used it to your Australia, 225000km on it then. Was already twin locked, long range tank, winch, drawers, kaymar rear bar, etc. The thing was in mint condition too. Only 2" lift and 285's with stock side steps. You just have to look hard enough and be prepared to travel to the car.

when you are ready to sell it, can you shoot me a pm?? i would happy buy it off you for $30k and then sell it for $40k a week later

South
17-03-15, 10:00 PM
no they dont, the arse has fallen out of the market. engine swaps, units destroying them and modern 4bys doing everything better has killed it all.
you'd be lucky to get 20k with it on the market for weeks.

the 1hd-ft 80 series that used to fetch a pretty penny has also died. one immaculate version with all the mods and 200rwkw started at 28k and was on the market for months, it sold for just under 20k... pretty much the price of the recent modifications that were spent on it.

mine is similar, very low kms, immaculate and no longer worth selling, i'll keep it running until it drops to pieces in 30yrs time.

nine2nine
17-03-15, 10:17 PM
when you are ready to sell it, can you shoot me a pm?? i would happy buy it off you for $30k and then sell it for $40k a week later

The cost of mods compared to cost of car ratio makes selling impossible. There is nothing to upgrade/change to that can do it better so it will be around for a lot longer.

dan-
18-03-15, 11:35 AM
I have had a heap of people tell me that they can get TD42's of 1HD's for $30k. I am sure it is not impossible, but they are bloody rare and if you find a good one for that then the seller is under-pricing it.

I spent 6mo looking for one and gave up and bought a CRD ZD30. Not as good but good enough. I was all over gumtree, Facebook, car sales, the patrol forums, other 4wd forums. I gave it a really good go. The only ones I found were poorly done conversions, or had mechanical issues, had 400,000+km or were in WA mining towns. If you want find one you will need to be extremely patient,vigilant and quick to buy.

peal
18-03-15, 06:13 PM
Agreed. Please show me said bargain 1HD or td42t patrols.

Neil.
18-03-15, 06:24 PM
Mate payed 18k for his td42ti coil cab ute, few mates have payed 10k - 12k for 1hdt cruisers, keep looking.

nine2nine
18-03-15, 06:41 PM
All utes were td42 so reasonably common. It's the wagons that are hard to get hold of.
80 cruisers are a generation older than GU's.

mondo2000
18-03-15, 08:26 PM
I spent 6mo looking for one and gave up and bought a CRD ZD30. Not as good but good enough.

Why do you say that? ZD30 has more torque below 2000 rpm (where it counts), is lighter and shorter therefore less weight over front axle, uses less fuel and is cheaper to buy. The only reason I would recommend a TD42 is if you were towing big stuff regularly, in which case the truck motor is better.

And anyone who mentions reliability is a retard, we have been over this a million times before.

nine2nine
18-03-15, 09:23 PM
The td42 has far more potential then the zd30 which is very appealing. Stock for stock who really cares. Td42 is only a bolt on turbo swap away from awesome torque below 2000rpm, it is definitely more reliable (especially when traveling remote due to fuel quality), and is great offroad due to engine braking and lugging nicely on slow stuff.
I do plenty of remote travel on my own knowing the car is as reliable as it gets. Mechanical everything.

By all means buy a CRD. Resale doesn't bother me as it won't be sold, which is also why it is hard to get hold of a good one.

mondo2000
18-03-15, 10:37 PM
I have a manual boost control setup on my ZD30 and it makes 4 psi with the fast idle switch on (about 1050 rpm, zero load). Boost response will always be better with a VNT than a conventional turbo. There's no reason why you couldn't fit a VNT to a TD42 or any other diesel engine.

If the OP wants an old school diesel 6, why not an HZJ105 with aftermarket turbo?

peal
26-03-15, 04:50 PM
http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Nissan-Patrol-2003/SSE-AD-3309542


Back on the hunt, thoughts?

nine2nine
26-03-15, 05:18 PM
Would be an awesome long term car and seems to have all the important extras. A lot of money but definitely something you keep long term.
Could put the family in that and go up the Cape/desert/CSR etc tomorrow.

peal
26-03-15, 06:59 PM
What do you think would be the right price?

nine2nine
26-03-15, 09:11 PM
It has very low km and $20+k worth of gear on it. Only ever worth what you are willing to pay. Inspect it, rave over it, then low ball and start from there if it's what you want. I got $5k off the price of mine doing that. People love it when you love their pride and joy.

SLO78U
29-03-15, 07:54 AM
Just to give you another idea.......

Mate just bought a fully kitted GU 3l with a blown motor for 5k.
Paid another 5 for a VX/Y with a V8 and auto box. Has bought all the conversion stuff from marks adapters and reckons that total build will be under 20k. That's including paying someone to do most of the work.

dnegative
29-03-15, 02:52 PM
You would just buy a 4.8 if your were going to do that though, LS1 will rape through fuel at the same rate.

peal
30-03-15, 10:12 AM
Yep Ls1, do not want.

MRMOPARMAN
30-03-15, 09:28 PM
its not like TD42's are that frugal. i reckon an LS1 patrol would match/beat a TD42 on the freeway.

id still take the TD42 for touring though.

nine2nine
30-03-15, 09:40 PM
Mine consistently gets 12l/100km on the highway and not much more towing a car/trailer. It's no light weight either. Bad consumption is normally the result of a wearing fuel pump.

I would imagine an ls1 could get down to 14-15 if driven nicely.

MRMOPARMAN
30-03-15, 09:57 PM
your the first ive heard that gets under 13l/100 out of one. stock or modified, low km or high km.

dan-
30-03-15, 10:21 PM
there is a TD42 on the patrol4x4 forums for $28k at the moment

i get 12-13l/100km out of my CRD 3.0l. has a big stupid roof rack on it the whole time, and it is mostly used from brisbane to bribie/moreton/etc. the only highway km are between here and bribie!

nine2nine
30-03-15, 10:30 PM
When I first got it the economy was 13-14, and progressively got worse until I couldn't get it below 15 ever, even with aftermarket turbo, intercooler, exhaust etc. Got the pump rebuilt and modded to a 12mm and it went straight to 11-12 on the highway unloaded. Last trip I went on averaged 13-14 loaded up with roof tent etc but that was also after I changed to 35's, so now changing diff gears to suit as it was lugging way to much.
A couple of litres per hundred makes a big difference when touring.

peal
31-03-15, 08:35 AM
Is the one on patrol 4x4 the White dx with a fair bit of fruit? If so, already checked it out.

dan-
01-04-15, 07:16 PM
yeah that's the one. what didn't you like about it? looked alright to me.

dnegative
01-04-15, 07:44 PM
its not like TD42's are that frugal. i reckon an LS1 patrol would match/beat a TD42 on the freeway.

id still take the TD42 for touring though.

Mine does 16L/100km, tips the weighbridge at 3500kg and the economy might spike to 18L/100km if I'm towing - that's foot pinned in 4th the entire time sitting on 110 with 4000rpm action on the hills.
Doesn't run close hot, never gives an ounce of trouble. Just slow 0-120km/h wise.

I couldn't see a LSx swap using less than 20L/1000km and far more when pulling some weight.

peal
08-04-15, 02:01 PM
Just checked out a 100 series 1hdte Sahara. The owner had 'lost' the books at 100,000km and had them replaced by toyota. Walked away from that one.

MRMOPARMAN
08-04-15, 08:52 PM
how many kms were on it? if its got 200+k on it and the services between 100 and 200k are spot on, its fair to say the first 100k are gonna be similar.

peal
08-04-15, 09:56 PM
how many kms were on it? if its got 200+k on it and the services between 100 and 200k are spot on, its fair to say the first 100k are gonna be similar.

140km and owned by a swede. I don't think it was legit in any way shape or form. Seriously, who loses their books? They sit in the glove box.

nine2nine
08-04-15, 10:32 PM
Did you check out that low km GU with all the fruit?

peal
11-04-15, 08:49 AM
Haven't yet. Would need to fly up to QLD to do so. Anyone able to take a look?

nine2nine
11-04-15, 09:38 AM
Where is it?

peal
11-04-15, 06:22 PM
Coomera

bbits_elements
11-04-15, 09:04 PM
My mate used to work for Toyota, he lives in Coomera I'll ask for you

bbits_elements
11-04-15, 09:24 PM
He said Monday

peal
12-04-15, 08:15 AM
I'm actually not that keen after reading about ARB northside tbh. Wouldn't want to bother your mate unless I'm 100%.

peal
12-04-15, 09:34 AM
I'm pretty much sold on this;

https://www.facebook.com/groups/80SeriesCrusiers/permalink/849111321831932/

Anyone in sydney available to inspect it?

Edit: in cremorne.