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    there was a 429 shotgun engine laying around the factory for a while.

    And theirs also a genuine "cammer" behind the re-po one

    imo hadfield need to put one supercharger on that thing.

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    Fuck I hate cunts who call them a shotgun. They're a Boss 429. Deal with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gammaboy View Post
    Fuck I hate cunts who call them a shotgun. They're a Boss 429. Deal with it.
    haha took me 5 minutes to pick onto what they were talking about.

    We had a Cammer and boss 429 sitting next to each other. The cammer would eat the 429. It made the boss look cheap.

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    Gammaboy I did infact correctly refer to it as a 429 Boss however the nickname of 'Shotgun' is quite common and long standing, I see no problem with it. The term refers to the size of the engine's large, round intake ports.

    Furthermore the SOHC 427ci engine is sometimes refered to as the 'sock motor', a term derived from the single overhead cam abbreviation.
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    can I ask what the deal is with wanting an SR20 from a supertourer?

    It's got me curious and excited at hte same time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DATZED View Post
    can I ask what the deal is with wanting an SR20 from a supertourer?

    It's got me curious and excited at hte same time.
    Im going to run the car in the under 2 litre sports sedan series at first. Get it sorted out and make sure its not a death trap.

    Supertourer engine makes about 280hp. And this year there will be supertourers competing. A supertourer engine will be easier to buy then develop our own sr20 combination.
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    Oh snap, I totally forgot about the Sr20 in the Hyundai....with all this v8supercar engine and other porn.

    Would the supertourer engine be more $$$ than the dodge too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DATZED View Post
    Oh snap, I totally forgot about the Sr20 in the Hyundai....with all this v8supercar engine and other porn.

    Would the supertourer engine be more $$$ than the dodge too?
    Hopefully not, then it would be a pointless excercise

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    It's already pointless and I reckon it would be as much money.

    V8 or stay home imho
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    you stupid fucken imbicle.
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    I reckon you could get better power for less money building your own SR20, no need to worry about the restrictions that supertourers had and more modern stuff available like the SR20VE head.

    Curiosity question, what would a chassis/cage like that cost the punter off the street? I know "lots" is the proper answer, but a rough figure would be interesting.

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    Geez that question is harder then "how many hours have you spent on it"

    If you build it your self it would cost around $2000 in steel, seamless tube.
    in molly its about $3000 plus welding bottles and welding rods.

    Im just pulling figures out of my arse, honestly i haven't kept track and don't want to.

    I do know theirs about 30 hours of welding in the chassis.

    Ill shoot off an email to a bloke who builds these things he will have a rough answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoonBoy View Post
    I reckon you could get better power for less money building your own SR20, no need to worry about the restrictions that supertourers had and more modern stuff available like the SR20VE head.
    Cos it's easy to do better than a works race engine

    Only place you're not limited compared to the super tourer engine is they had a rev limit brought in at some point - 8500rpm... But i'm sure someone can do better in their shed with a die grinder and without the millions of dollars in development budget.
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    The had larger bores and a shorter stroke. Proven package, and head porting which would be alien technology.

    I dont want to be wasting my time building an sr20 which will not keep up.
    Build your own 302 windsor up, and see how it goes against a supercar engine.

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    double post
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    Quote Originally Posted by profi View Post
    Build your own 302 windsor up, and see how it goes against a supercar engine.
    My ported ET7Es would smack them
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    I was thinking of not having to build around the rules, no problem with a 8,500rpm limit or fuel restrictions in your build, but there is with a supertourer engine. The SR20V heads are a huge improvement over SR20D heads and a better starting point is a better starting point. It would still need a buttload of work by someone who knows what they are doing, but at least you are not paying for outdated work on older designs built to rules that don't matter. I am making some assumptions about the restrictions and technology of the SR20 supertourer engines, how long ago where they last actively used?

    How much is a supercar engine? 50k? I'm sure if I give that budget to TK or similar and give no restrictions in compression, revs or fuel, it will be have more power. If I have to live by the same rules (which you don't...) then it would be a different game.

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    Always!
    If there was a legit way to run ex-Nascar/Supercar engine parts in a group Nc car I would... gotta be easier than fucking with production car parts.
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    A second hand supertourer engine made 285hp exactly
    and a FPR built sr20 with the lot made 245hp.

    They were last used in 2000 and arnt that expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gammaboy View Post
    Always!
    If there was a legit way to run ex-Nascar/Supercar engine parts in a group Nc car I would... gotta be easier than fucking with production car parts.
    Mate thats what puts me off group NC, your paying more for less reliable parts.

    Then you have biante but who could afford a license.

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    That's not real good, an SR20VE has 204hp stock. Bolts on's, compression, decent fuel and no concern for emissions should see more then 245hp. The second gen SR20VE head was released in 2001, so it wouldn't of been used in the supertourer engines. The third gen is supposed to be better again, but I don't have any non-turbo power figures.

    What's not that expensive? I'm thinking 20k plus a lot of bits needed, but am happy to be proven wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by profi View Post
    Mate thats what puts me off group NC, your paying more for less reliable parts.

    Then you have biante but who could afford a license.
    I suspect Biante may go the same way as Carrera cup...

    Quote Originally Posted by HoonBoy View Post
    That's not real good, an SR20VE has 204hp stock. Bolts on's, compression, decent fuel and no concern for emissions should see more then 245hp. The second gen SR20VE head was released in 2001, so it wouldn't of been used in the supertourer engines. The third gen is supposed to be better again, but I don't have any non-turbo power figures.

    What's not that expensive? I'm thinking 20k plus a lot of bits needed, but am happy to be proven wrong
    I suspect unless you ship the thing off to someone who's built a bunch of 280hp 2l motors, the time and money in developing a reliable, comparable output motor is going to be beyond what 2 or 3 seasons with 90's supertourer motors would cost you.
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoonBoy View Post
    That's not real good, an SR20VE has 204hp stock. Bolts on's, compression, decent fuel and no concern for emissions should see more then 245hp. The second gen SR20VE head was released in 2001, so it wouldn't of been used in the supertourer engines. The third gen is supposed to be better again, but I don't have any non-turbo power figures.

    What's not that expensive? I'm thinking 20k plus a lot of bits needed, but am happy to be proven wrong

    Mate brought a supertourer engine for his race car made 286hp for $9000.
    It would cost more to build one.

    The ve engines are a bit fragile in the head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gammaboy View Post
    I suspect Biante may go the same way as Carrera cup...
    Why is that i thought it was flying along

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    Carrera cups been cancelled for this year - short on numbers - The guys who fund their own rides as tax dodges are nervous, and the guys who rely on sponsor deals are having a hard time of it...
    Stoopid economic crisis.
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    But why would binte go under

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    Quote Originally Posted by profi View Post
    Mate brought a supertourer engine for his race car made 286hp for $9000.
    It would cost more to build one.

    The ve engines are a bit fragile in the head.
    That's heaps cheaper then I was thinking.

    First I've heard of the fragile heads, everyone seems to concentrate on DE rocker issues. Would be interesting to see what rockers the supertourer engine uses, I'm guessing nothing factory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoonBoy View Post
    That's heaps cheaper then I was thinking.

    First I've heard of the fragile heads, everyone seems to concentrate on DE rocker issues. Would be interesting to see what rockers the supertourer engine uses, I'm guessing nothing factory.
    I just want something that i can bolt in make enough horsepower, hopefully win some races. Then its time for the 6 litre.

    Supertourer engines had no regulations except you had to use the standard head and block. But if i was serious about a 2 litre i would buy an sr16/20 shorten the stroke so the capacity was 1.1L and turbo it. 350/400hp there.

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    Didnt the super tourer SR20s have special heads? The F2 Nissan Sunny rally cars did and they were meant to use similar regs. They were homologated through Nissan Motorsport Europe or something? But they made close to 300hp
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swill View Post
    Didnt the super tourer SR20s have special heads? The F2 Nissan Sunny rally cars did and they were meant to use similar regs. They were homologated through Nissan Motorsport Europe or something? But they made close to 300hp
    the engines came from a special road car limited production from some whizz bang nissan pulsar gtir. Nissan spent 10 million developing there engines.

    Heres the only specs i could find:

    It was a front wheel drive Pulsar.
    Don't know the cam specs but Tighe cams have the details and can grind the same.
    Crank was hand made.
    12.5:1
    88mm bore with destroked crank to allow bigger valves and better breathing, 37mm inlet and 32mm exhaust (I think)
    Forged pistons and rods. The pistons were made by Omega and had only 1 compression ring.
    The head appeared to be ported similar to a Turbo head. I had a standard NA head and the Race head was way more developed.
    And just to make you green with envy it came with a slide throttle body and a triple plate 5.5in clutch and a special flywheel.
    I bought it from Janspeed and they called it a boat anchor cause it made only 284HP.

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    I think a mate of mine worked on one of these heads in UK. I'll probably see him tomorrow and ask him. Pretty sure they were a totally different casting and they did something different with the rockers or lifters as well?
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