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    Do it once, do it right. In this case that means replacing any metal tha may possibly contain rust. Of course you know this, you just don't want to go the whole hog

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    so, i didn't have that beer.. I went and looked at other peoples rust repair threads on the AlfaBB, and went back outside and got stuck into it...
    Base of the drivers side A pillar looks less bad wonce you trim back to more steel...


    and welded that patch in and ground it back.
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nafe View Post
    GTFO!!!!
    I prefer the later GTV, hmm like yours actually!
    I used to work for Bill Dunn here in Canberra and he had a lovely GTV with all the Recaro and MoMo gear. I would have loved that car, tried to buy the 500 he had but not enough cash.

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    Jeez mate, my painful stereo install pales in comparison to this. Keep at it, punch on while you have the motivation to get the hard bits done.
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    Yeah, maintaining motivation is the difficult bit...
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    mate you are doing a great job here

    re the sill, I'd always thought it best to remove/replace as little material as necessary, so why do the middle if its only rusted at the ends? (also, the sight of these things with the whole sill removed is just scary...)

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    It's not that scary....


    I think I'll take this guy's lead and roll the car up on an angle so it's a little easier to work on (his jackstands are picking up off the rear trailing arm mount and the front spring pan)
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    So, chucked it up on it's side with the goal of having the inner sill patched and rustproofed before packing it in to pick up Nopics from the ferry.
    Filled in the pitting with the welder where it wasn't too severe,


    and cut the fucked bit at the jacking point out


    Welded the patch in up around the jacking point. Filled some more pitting with weld where it really wasn't practical to cut and fit a patch - plenty of material there now though.



    I guess the way to approach this thing is to break it down into a bunch of little goals - say cut/fit/weld a particular patch and rustproof it in a 1/2 day.
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    Question...ya see those "ears" above the jacking point...would those have been spot welded to the outer sill from factory, and do you have to drill out the spot welds before you remove the metal over it?
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    They weren't spot welded, they were, from factory, migged to the back. I've ground the welds off, but if you look super carefully in the rusty shot there are two welds that have no metal around 75% of them. The bit I cut out was easy to break off from the welds. There are now two much better welds replacing them.
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    A tip I picked up from a rally car builder of some repute is that you can 'replicate' a spot weld reasonably effectively by drilling a 10mm hole in the overlapping panel and migging a puddle weld (or something like that...)

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    Yeah, that's what i've been doing where it's a spot weld situation - drill a hole in one and plug weld it.
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    Amazing work mate... I hope your thinking of soaking the shit out of the sills with cavity wax or fish oil when its all done..

    Will look great all fixed up, love those cars.
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    you're remaking the whole car from scratch - its pretty bloody brave if you ask me! Good work mate, very inspiring.
    How is it they had a reputation of handling well (my dad had a few and loved em!) if the chassis is so prone to disintegrating!

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    is anyone making repro shells for these things yet? the amount that normal - ie people without gammas skills spend on restos for these things would make a new shell pretty viable i would think.

    for reference, a mob in england has all the presses, spot welders, jigs etc from longbridge and are building mini shells for about 4-5k a piece i think.

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    repo panel availability is pretty good now, but no complete shells (yet!)

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    Yeah, there's been a bit of discussion of this on the Alfa forums over the years, and ultimately what it comes down to is MG heritage got there hands on all the tooling - so they are using the factory tooling to make minis and MGBs.
    The Alfa tooling is long gone - and there's not the market for full shells like there is for the Dynacorn Mustangs and Camaros. It's only the last couple of years that the proper pressed sill panels and front clips and so on have hapened - and honestly, while the radiator crossmember pressings were a godsend, they needed just enough rework that you wouldn't simply use those pressing as is to build a shell from scratch - new tooling would cost millions, and there's at least 5 shell variations you'd want to build - stepnose low arch (pre 67 cars), stepnose high arch, smoothnose with the different back seat bulkhead/parcel shelf and hanging pedals in the LHD variant.
    If you're repairing a low arch early car with buggered rear 1/4s, you have to buy the high arch 1/4 and fit a low arch "patch".

    They're a pretty solid platform - the A pillar up at the windscreen is particularly stout apparently - Fully prepped, with a half cage and fiberglass doors and bonnet they weigh about 830kg, which means there's alot of steel there compared to say an escort. This thing was still solid in terms of rattles/twisting when you jacked a corner up - so the amount of rust on that passengers side was a real surprise.
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    I remember when you first got this thing and bought it to work. Love the progress so far, you can fix my Morris Minor when ya done. Haha


    Have you still got the Falcon?

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    Hah, yeah, still got it, for the time being anyway.
    Still got the 7?
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gammaboy View Post
    Hah, yeah, still got it, for the time being anyway.
    Still got the 7?
    Yup still got it, its copped 30mm guards all round, and running 275's and 315's.
    http://img44.imageshack.us/i/dsc02377i.jpg/

    Still doing the panel work on it. Fuck i hate fibreglass!

    Should catch up sometime.

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    Bah, just rivet them on and paint it, just like a GTAm.
    I dig the FR500 wheels on it - 4-5 years ago before I decided to turn the XY into a Nc car, I was considering going the Pro-Touring route with it with FR500s like that - just that hit of 60's Halibrands about them. Orrite, enough chatter, i should get back to the grinder/welder...
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gammaboy View Post
    Bah, just rivet them on and paint it, just like a GTAm.
    Self tappers will rivet, one day.

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    Moar! progress:


    And welded etc.

    Called due to failing light and arrival of nopics
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    ^nice work!
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    Sunday arvo's progress - from about 2:30pm till 6pm...

    Knocked up this patch, hammer formed the rolled edge on the cutout. Line of holes for the plug welds across the bottom....

    Patch test fit - the small hole is a patch I welded in after the bigger patch

    Main patch and small filler piece welded and ground back:


    Final middle sill patch on D/S welded, ground and primered too:


    I'll try to fab the base of the a-pillar this week/weekend - got a few other jobs to knock over aswell as working on this thing now...
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    What sort of primer is that? Is it some sort of spesh stuff for long life inside the sill?
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    Nah, it's just septone rattle can primer - just to keep the surface rust at bay between sessions working on the car.
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    You should see the rust pile growing next to the bin! :P
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    https://www.tat-co.com/products/spec...h-primer-4353/

    https://www.tat-co.com/product-files...-english-3.pdf

    This stuff helps a lot. That acrylic primer is ok but nothing special long term.
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    Yeah - I really need to get off my arse and pick up some proper rust proofing gear - but realistically, the thing survived from 1966 to the late 80s (when the first rust bodges were done) with *no* coating on any of the steel in it. It then survived another 20 years with no real rust protection, getting parked outside and daily driven. So realistically, any protection is going to be good for 20 years of being a toy kept under cover and driven on weekends...
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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