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    AW11 Thread

    Almost feel embarassed starting this one with all the awesome builds in here, but thought I'd throw in a few AW11 pictures because the way this thing is going I'll need some PF help along the way.

    I paid $10k for an AW11. This is obviously extortion, but wasn't too bad when I bought the thing. In 2001. From what I can work out I'm the third owner and it came with all books and 111,000km. Originally purchased on the Gold Coast and has been serviced there, Bundaberg and up Redcliffe way somewhere. 1988, no options and I believe the original colour description was Toyota "fade on direct exposure to sunlight" red.

    Earliest pic I can find in digital form - Mt Morgan circa 2006:



    Some of you may remember it from the PF Nebo/Sunshine Coast hinterland cruise in 2001 - where Norbie's black Supra overheated and Ken's AX-GT wore a Pulsar, swore to fix the handling then after Kiahatsu's Dolomite sprint was able to keep up!

    Since then the thing has followed me to about 11 different garages, and shared them with 9 or so other cars. Has been in storage for 12 months, crashed into and repaired twice, and the mechanical issues have been limited to one clutch master cylinder and a blocked coolant line.

    This was the first time all my cars had been on the same premises for about five years:



    Had originally planned to keep it completely stock but decided if I'm never going to actually sell the thing might as well have it how I wanted.

    The main problems with these things seem to be:
    - Stock suspension was fine, but probably not so 24 years on...
    - Too heavy - weighs in at 1088kg with a full tank of fuel and should have been about 100-150kg lighter.
    - Not enough power - 88kW from the 7 rib bigport 4AGE makes them about as fast as a late model Ford Fiesta.
    - 40/60 front/rear balance leads to instant death type handling limits.

    Fortunately PF can help.

    A few e-mails later I had these:



    And this pile of stuff:



    Bit of a time honoured way of making an AW11 go around corners, nothing creative:
    - Koni yellow, whiteline antiroll bars and Federal RSR semi's courtesy of Racingready.
    - Eibach Pro springs (twosrus).
    - Enkei RPF1 15x7 +35 thanks to autotechnik.
    - Superpro bushings all around (GSL).

    One of the benefits of owning a valiant:



    And just to gloat about lightness the bathroom scales:



    For reference, replacing some trashed teardrop 14 inch alloys with an enkei RPF1 and decent tyre saves all of 500g per corner. It's an expensive 500g! The tyres apparently weight 9.8kg alone.

    Anyway, here's how it sits now:





    And took it for a strap up Mulholland drive yesterday.



    Mulholland drive is actually in Nambour and is a straight road about 30m long. But couldn't resist the photo opportunity.

    The old bushings and shocks/springs were so shot that adding the Konis and the works has actually improved the ride. Handling has gone from sudden death oversteers to a bit of understeer at the limit, but the limit's probably gone up about 20-30km/hr. Hoping the new ball joints, tie rods and wheel alignment on the way might fix that.

    Futures plans are for a bonnet/engine cover respray with new headlight eyebrows in the next few weeks, and GSL is sourcing some decent discs, pads and lines for me.

    Longer term looking at doing something to the 4AGE to give more power, but more importantly sound like a BDA escort at high revs. Part of the fun in these things is actually not being that fast. Also contemplating a six speed/LSD conversion as they're not too difficult these days.

    And that's how little I've achieved in 12 years. Possibly on the wrong forum!

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    *thumbs-up*

    I rate it - I think the AW11 is a little classic TBH, dont take it too far away from stock, your plans and mods are on the money - NA 4AGE with big induction roar FTW

    Could do with a little lowering (but then so can most 80's cars - my 911 incl)
    'Lifes pretty straight without twisties'

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    Love it, if I had the garage space, one of these would be sitting there. I'm with Boxer on this, don't take it too far.

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    Yeah keep it NA if you want it to be fun. These things are pretty fast with a 4AGZE, 3SGTE etc but just don't give you the experience you want on good driving roads.

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    Thanks!

    I agree with the suggestions. Was planning 20V ITBs, aftermarket ecu, injectors, extractors, exhaust and tune as a first step. Overkill for stock internals, but will sound great and leave room for more.

    When it does eventually need a rebuild weill go forged pistons, rods, studs, mild port and decent gaskets. Could be another 100,000km away though. Forced induction is not going to happen, I will be building a clubman to actually go quickly.

    Funny thing is I've left it so long it's almost retro now!

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    Interesting, This thing should be a blast for street driving after a few engine mods, how do you intend to reduce the weight? I'd imagine interior stripping would be the first place you will look?

    Will it need bigger injectors so soon?, never played with 4age's much.

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    Not really, imagine the 20V stuff that may come with the ITB should be fine on an otherwise stock engine.

    Weight loss may happen later, I'm not sure I can be bothered! A sub 600kg clubman will take care of the lightweight side of things. An NA 4age AW11 will never be that fast anyway.
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    I always had a bit of a soft spot for these! Love the 80's styling.

    The wheels suit it well, looks like it needs to be dropped a little bit though then itll look great.

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    I agree on the NA thing, I went from a 20v to a worked ZE in mine and it was much more fun to drive with the 20v.

    The 20v is a dead easy swap as well.
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    Will be staying 16V but using a few 20V bits I think (injectors/throttle bodies/extractors). Would feel wrong to dump the original engine, plus there's only 153,000km on it. Agree a 20V conversion is much more sensible, but you don't keep your second car for 12 years by being sensible!

    Ride height doesn't look great in the photos but is fine in person, certainly compared to how it used to be! It's lowered about an inch on the Eibachs and I agree would look better another inch lower but would be almost undriveable. Might settle a bit anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Purple View Post
    Will be staying 16V but using a few 20V bits I think (injectors/throttle bodies/extractors). Would feel wrong to dump the original engine, plus there's only 153,000km on it. Agree a 20V conversion is much more sensible, but you don't keep your second car for 12 years by being sensible!
    20v injectors are side feed, so they won't fit. I seem to recall that Magna injectors are a decent upgrade from stock.

    With 150xxx km on the engine, you should replace the water pump if you haven't done it already.
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    i'd drop in the whole 20v motor but thats just me!
    either way will sound awesome

    nice project, not enough clean aw11's around

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    Nice to see some of the old school 4age guys pop up, cheers Ben!

    You're right, as it turns out. Will probably start by giving it a good clean up and checking out the ancillaries - I have the records so I'll flick through and see if the water pump has been done at any stage. Do they recommend timing belts at every 100,000km, or is there a time limit as well? One on there is 13 years but 40,000km old...

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    Always loved the AW11... in fact nearly bought one when I bought the pug recently.. Drove one with a gze back about 2005 and was impressed.

    Going to buck the trend and say go the supercharger route

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    16V 4age for sure - 20V thing never floated my boat and the 16V has so much heritage. Mine bounced on the rev limiter all track day and sounded great doing it. Can be built to give decent HP too
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    yay! finally another aw11 thread.

    im gonna go with the blacktop + 6 speed conversion. plenty of power stock, revs to the sky and some come with the 6 speed already.

    cant wait to get started on mine. will start off with bluetop, then if PRC rules allow, will go GZE
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    20V's never did anything for me personally, but I've never driven a black top. Also prefer the older big ports to the small ports, dunno why they just seem to rev different.
    Chuck quads on the 16v and be happy If I did my sprinter again I'd go angry NA over stupid turbo.

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    The latest motor in mine (if I ever get it running) is a 3 rib bigport out of an AE82 basically stock except for some DIY head work. I'm hoping the lighter crank and flywheel should be an improvement over the standard mr2 stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Wilson View Post
    The latest motor in mine (if I ever get it running) is a 3 rib bigport out of an AE82 basically stock except for some DIY head work. I'm hoping the lighter crank and flywheel should be an improvement over the standard mr2 stuff.
    was yours one of the hybrid 7 rib bottom and bigport tops?

    theres nothing essentially wrong with the 3 rib bottom end, aside from the fact all the aftermarket stuff is for the 7 rib blocks. its nearly impossible to get forged pistons or rods for the 3 rib. if you build a 7 rib, and can find a blacktop crank, you can get aftermarket rods and pistons flywheel etc.. that are lighter than the original blacktop stuff!

    EVOSTi - i reckon you would be talking about the TVIS making it rev different. it feels like a povvo TVEC yo!

    i owned a silvertop AE92 quite a few years ago. didnt get to drive it far (it was smashed in the side) but it had a really awesome bark to the exhaust, and rev'd so sweet and silky. if the blacktop is a sweeter engine again, it would be absolutely fap worthy in an MR2! just my opinion though. theres more than enough parts and info out there to make a smallport blitz a blacktop.. but the blacktop will be fuckloads cheaper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOPARMAN View Post
    was yours one of the hybrid 7 rib bottom and bigport tops?
    Yeah, all the AW11s came with them as far as I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Wilson View Post
    Yeah, all the AW11s came with them as far as I know.
    dont quote me, as im an MR2 newbie, but since MR2s were released in '84ish? with the AW10, the 7 rib wasnt out then? either way, a 3 rib is going into mine to start off with.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rdyno
    70ynu has to be the most retarded cunt here. "Help me please" me "you need to remove your head" him "fuck off cunt I'm to lazy fuck off out of my thread you told me to do something I don't want to do so you're a cunt fuck off can some one please tell me an easier way???"
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    AW10 was actually a 3A engined (1.5L 12 valve) JDM only model. I've seen one - was for sale when I bought mine (for $12k!).

    But yes, from 1984 to 1987 all AW11s were 3 rib blocks.

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    Looks good Mike, you'll need a datalogger so you can do back-to-back comparisons between the 86 and the MR2 over the same route.
    Also, the AX wore a Ford Laser, not a Pulsar
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    nice one

    will watch this thread
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    worst thing about these cars is the interior.
    It has got to have the worst interior of any car of that year.

    and the 20v haters... you got problems!

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    I didn't think the interior was that bad? Comfortable enough, but let down by a few touches, like the crappy massive steering wheel and weird switch placement. It helps that everything is black so you can't see the fine features.

    Steering wheel problem will be taken care of this christmas, but I'll keep the original in storage in case I ever decide to get it retrimmed. This should sort it out in the meantime:



    There's no problem with the 20 valve, it's just that spending twice as much on a 16 valve to go slower is the much more fun thing to do...

    Ken, I think the 86 will decimate the MR2 but will keep you posted! I was more thinking of a run out through the mountains with both, though that has the potential to go wrong...

    You know you have a problem when your weekend cars look like this. Ao32R vs RSR:


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    How about a 2zzge conversion? They have 16 valves, and bolt up to c series boxes.. So im told

    Might even be lighter than a 4a? Will have to check. That would help your f/r weight bias

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    2zz would be a weapon in this, expect it would be a lot more expensive though?

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    I could be wrong, but a 2ZZ feels heavier to me when man handling them on the ground.

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    They're actually around the same weight. If I was doing an engine conversion, a supercharged 2zz would be the go.

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