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    AGT did a deal with the event organisers. First PSCRAA knew about it was when it was posted on Facebook!

    We've only been supporting the event for probably 10 years now. Not even a courtesy call.

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    Yeah that sucks big time. Was the biggest event of the year for Prod Sports. Only ever did one round, at WP, but followed and supported the series.

    Always political and financial agendas in motorsport that get in the way of the sporting enthusiasts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane001 View Post
    AGT did a deal with the event organisers. First PSCRAA knew about it was when it was posted on Facebook!

    We've only been supporting the event for probably 10 years now. Not even a courtesy call.
    Money talks, bullshit walks.
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    Don't forget there is also a tie up between AGT and Challenge Bathurst.....which is also a Yeehah Event. End of the day it's a business, then a sport. Much like supercars.

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    It is possible (hopeful) that Prod Sports will get an invite to run with AGT but we don't have any details yet on what the costs or any restrictions might be.

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    I've heard prodsports will still be there, charged usual rate, GT will have their own cost structure. Problem might be grid capacity - and you could guess who would be bumped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gxxr View Post
    I've heard prodsports will still be there, charged usual rate, GT will have their own cost structure. Problem might be grid capacity - and you could guess who would be bumped.
    Nothing has been decided yet as we've had no details presented to us by AGT. Hopefully we'll know more in the next month or so.

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    Prepare the anus for Pirelli prices.
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    In short, some cunt at test and tune had a 250cc honda turning to 11ty and it sounded porn. Do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Vegana. View Post
    Prepare the anus for Pirelli prices.
    Yep that would be a deal breaker for some of us, certainly for me anyway.

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    bathurst has been a let down the last couple of years for prodsports in my opinion, more time spent behind the pace car, then green flag running.
    A lot of the pro drivers in the x class (gt3 cars) want to win the one hour on the first lap and run others off the track or try stupid moves after every restart.
    Can see this decision only making it worse to be honest, if they get a run with the Aus GT.

    it will slow some of the cars up as they will have to run to gt3 rules re BOP restrictors, last year the x class weren't restricted.

    Pirelli price tighten the anus big time, compared to kumho's.

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    I suspect Excels will get the flick. Unfortunately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bg0013 View Post
    bathurst has been a let down the last couple of years for prodsports in my opinion, more time spent behind the pace car, then green flag running.
    Agree some years we get a good run, other years is a disaster. Driver behaviour and attitude is a big part of it, but it also seems to correlates a little with the number of entries. When we have up around 50 we generally have more problems then when we're down around 40.

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    https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/07/13...wTg7rUuEZlvPdE

    looks like aus gt might struggle to get a grid for bathurst if the trend continues.

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    ^ "while costs to run the GT3 cars have remained well into the six figures for an enduro race weekend." That's a fair way beyond being well off isn't it.
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    I would love to see a break down of these costs to see how they arrive at 6 figures.
    Entry fees for an enduro round are apparently $8K including 'tv'. Not sure what else this includes.
    Tyres. Assume 3 sets at $3K a set? $10K.
    Fuel. Wouldn't be more than $1K.
    Crew, accommodation, travel, food. Would vary between teams. But say for 5 people, say $5K?
    So that's maybe $25K.

    Of course this doesn't factor in damage, mechanical failures or rebuilds. I guess that's the other $75K lol.

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    how was aussie drivers search going to fund a drive, let alone afford the costs to maintain one properly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane001 View Post
    I would love to see a break down of these costs to see how they arrive at 6 figures.
    Entry fees for an enduro round are apparently $8K including 'tv'. Not sure what else this includes.
    Tyres. Assume 3 sets at $3K a set? $10K.
    Fuel. Wouldn't be more than $1K.
    Crew, accommodation, travel, food. Would vary between teams. But say for 5 people, say $5K?
    So that's maybe $25K.

    Of course this doesn't factor in damage, mechanical failures or rebuilds. I guess that's the other $75K lol.
    Think about this from the perspective of someone paying MPC to prepare and run the cars. It is (I understand) a rate per kilometer and my suspicion is that it is going to be ~between 10 and 100 bux per Km all in depending on the package taken by the driver. 10bux/km is the povo pack that says you provide your own crew, tyres, fuel and transport for the car .... 100bux will be "the full monti". That will cover all the costs - the B-Double, crew and consumables PLUS the cost of the car (lots are leased with a damage clause). Pltus you also need to allow for a paid-driver if there is a pro in the car (Garth, Shane, Jamie and co do NOT come cheap).

    Agruably the the bigges cost is the lease of the car ........... MPC Audi's are mostly leased which is why you'll see a 100bux/km cost bandied about.

    I can easily see how this could be $100K for an enduro round ......... Daytona probably do a 12-hour on a bit over half that, done with all-volunteer crew who will sleep in the garage if necessary, provide their own food, yada yada, whereas Mr Businessman wants to arrive, dine and drive ........... and that costs extra because Audi Customer Performance change what the market will bear (and maybe they've found the point of price resistance).

    The other thing is business is getting tough and "wealtjy gentlemen drivers" are getting fewer and fewer ..........

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    Yeah I guess there are two angles to look at this from. The wealthy arrive and driver who just wants everything done for him. MPC's primary customers.

    Then the guy who has a GT car sitting in the garage that he owns that he maybe does a few rounds in with some mates helping out or minimal paid crew for the weekend. Not the professional outfit that is MPC et al but I'm sure there are more than a few in this boat also. I expect these are the guys that have jumped ship for GT1. I would think 6 figures a round would turn these guys away in droves (as it appears it already has?).

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    The cost for us to enter GT1 at Tailem Bend last month was around $14k plus $5-6k for accom, food, hire cars, flights etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabtronic View Post
    The cost for us to enter GT1 at Tailem Bend last month was around $14k plus $5-6k for accom, food, hire cars, flights etc.
    Is that $14K to run the weekend, entry, tyres, fuel, etc?
    Also what car do you run?

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    So roughly $20k for the weekend. Not bad really. Were you running a GT or MARC car?

    $70k is a figure that's been mentioned by a bloke I know running the Eggleston Merc - that's everything. Tyres, fuel, entry, crew, transport etc. Not cheap if you want to play with shiny new GT3 toys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane001 View Post
    Then the guy who has a GT car sitting in the garage that he owns that he maybe does a few rounds in with some mates helping out or minimal paid crew for the weekend. Not the professional outfit that is MPC et al but I'm sure there are more than a few in this boat also.
    I'd argue that guy doesn't exist at all. Even running the first Ginetta G50 in Prod Sports was very much arrive and drive. Pre-race weekend car prep was $2500 and that was 7 years ago. To run the 1hr at Bathurst or Phillip Island was about $12K doing most of it on the cheap with a crew of 2 guys. That included having the car transported there and back from Brisbane though.
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    Fucked if I know how they have manged to screw up the GT formula in this country, but I hope like hell they manage to get it sorted. Still has the potential to be one of the best racing categories in the country.
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    Too expensive, too fragmented in terms of formats, too much bullshit in the background.

    Should just mirror the Blancpain sprint series. Two drivers, work out the seedings properly, and have fixed pitstop times, one hour races. Fuck the rest of it.

    The enduro thing is pointless, is because no cunt wants to do it.
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    In short, some cunt at test and tune had a 250cc honda turning to 11ty and it sounded porn. Do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGTV8 View Post
    Pltus you also need to allow for a paid-driver if there is a pro in the car (Garth, Shane, Jamie and co do NOT come cheap).
    How much would one of them command? You can get a good pro for a GT race weekend in Europe for a 1000 euros. Even DTM drivers with a factory wage donít make more then 150,000 euros per year


    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Vegana. View Post
    Too expensive, too fragmented in terms of formats, too much bullshit in the background.

    Should just mirror the Blancpain sprint series. Two drivers, work out the seedings properly, and have fixed pitstop times, one hour races. Fuck the rest of it.

    The enduro thing is pointless, is because no cunt wants to do it.
    Iíve been saying this for so long. Why do we have a sprint and and endurance series when most other National GT series just have the one one hour race format for every round. Works for them and a lot have healthy stable grids of 20-30 cars. You look at Brit GT and GT Masters in Germany and thatís how itís done. You have one hour race on Saturday and the same on Sunday (Brit GT has a three hour race once a season but itís the exception rather then the rule) Every round. Pretty straight forward. No need for AGT to reinvent the wheel.

    Would love for SRO to take over the series and do his thing but Ratel only buys at a bargain price and Iím guessing that Blancpain Asia might be enough for him in this part of the world.

    The money is here. Yes the economy might be hurting some people but thatís a shit excuse when you have other people who take their money to other series and overseas so you just canít blame costs. The cars exist and yet we had a ten car grid for a three hour race on the weekend.
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    The only enduro they should be concerned about, is the 12hr.
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    In short, some cunt at test and tune had a 250cc honda turning to 11ty and it sounded porn. Do that.

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    Agreed. Sprint series only and the 12hr enduro as a one off would make more sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Vegana. View Post
    The only enduro they should be concerned about, is the 12hr.
    And thatís not even part of any Aussie series nor should it be. Should be a stand alone race as part of the IGTC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane001 View Post
    Is that $14K to run the weekend, entry, tyres, fuel, etc?
    Also what car do you run?
    Yes including transport, I missed a few things actually probably should have said around $16k, we practiced on "old" tyres and also brought some fuel with us. Fuel is $6.80/L, tyres $3200/set, entry $2700. The car is a Reiter R-EX.
    And I haven't included the car service costs before the weekend.

    Something else I find interesting is Radical Cup entry fees are $4300 per round so much more expensive but that covers the cost of spares truck etc, and the cars are cheaper to run
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    Quote Originally Posted by jabtronic View Post
    The car is a Reiter R-EX.
    That's a Lambo right?
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