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    Anytime I hear a manufacturer (usually the Japanese) mention a release date 3 yrs hence I can tell it won't appear.

    The yanks, europeans and koreans just do it!

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    Maybe not.

    https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-ne...-ar177601.html

    Would have made a nice alternative to an 86 for a slightly fun commuter.

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    I don't think much has been lost here. When did Nissan last produce anything good?

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    We're getting a Nismo Leaf instead, can't wait.

    Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_Slow View Post
    I don't think much has been lost here. When did Nissan last produce anything good?
    y62 is pretty cool.

    the rest of the range is pure dick hole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperHoon View Post
    y62 is pretty cool.

    the rest of the range is pure dick hole.
    wat



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    That's exactly my point. Nissan's best products are approaching a decade old.

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    the juke isnt that old is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperHoon View Post
    the juke isnt that old is it?
    the juke isn't good is it?

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    The Puke is old (2010) & not good (it's a heavier jacked-up Tiida ... ).
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    Nissan is playing it safe with models, both in saving money and also squeezing as much profit out of each run.

    Only way a Silvia would be sold again, is if they got rid of the Z, which is currently a big name for them, or if the new Silvia was crap. Either non-turbo, or very low capacity turbo, and markedly inferior to the Z so as to not risk stealing sales.

    I love 90's Nissan, but 90's Nissan wasn't sustainable.

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    It's not just that. It's also that every car they make is average in its segment at best. There's no leading lights anywhere.

    Agree with you about 90s Nissan though. I think I have some affection for Nissan because when I first got into cars in the late 80s/early 90s, Nissan seemed to be making cool thing after cool thing. GT-R, 300ZX, N14 Pulsar SSS, S14, the Pike cars, etc. It's only recently that I've come to realise that was an aberration; Nissan before and after that era is just middle of the road mediocrity.

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    I think they had more interdasting stuff JDM (yo) though; FJ20DET's go back a long way, like the Skylines that were beaten in the ATCC by Volvo 240's ... oh wait ... beaten by Volvo 240's ... no, maybe not that good really.
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    Back then winning races sold cars.

    These days cars are sold because they park themselves and have bluetooth.

    There's no incentive to develop a fast car.

    Anyway, being owned by Renault, all of the fast-car-development people will have been working hard on the relaunch of the Alpine brand anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_Slow View Post
    It's not just that. It's also that every car they make is average in its segment at best. There's no leading lights anywhere.

    Agree with you about 90s Nissan though. I think I have some affection for Nissan because when I first got into cars in the late 80s/early 90s, Nissan seemed to be making cool thing after cool thing. GT-R, 300ZX, N14 Pulsar SSS, S14, the Pike cars, etc. It's only recently that I've come to realise that was an aberration; Nissan before and after that era is just middle of the road mediocrity.
    You realise that Nissan is the same company as Datsun right? All those glorious 1960s/1970s Datsuns. Definitely cool thing after cool thing (up until the 200B).
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    370Z is the same price range as the Mustang. Guess which model is outselling the other.

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    RRP yes but 370z are regularly listed for $45-50k new. Still not surprising that a new vehicle is outselling something that is a decade old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX19X View Post
    370Z is the same price range as the Mustang. Guess which model is outselling the other.
    That's based purely on "V8 engine", isn't it? ie. not performance, build quality, driving feel, control response, handling, etc etc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rona View Post
    RRP yes but 370z are regularly listed for $45-50k new. Still not surprising that a new vehicle is outselling something that is a decade old.
    I think I read that they've dropped the "regular" 370Z to $50k with the intro of the Nismo.
    I don't see how that's not great value; yet it holds no interest for me, I guess 350Z's have just been around forever.

    Quote Originally Posted by lumpy View Post
    You realise that Nissan is the same company as Datsun right? All those glorious 1960s/1970s Datsuns. Definitely cool thing after cool thing (up until the 200B).
    Having been born early 70's, those were largely shitboxes to me. They tended not to last more than 10-ish years, and were all rusty & falling apart & blowing smoke by the time I had any interest in cars. 180B's, 120Y's, 200B's, 240K's, 260C's.
    Grey import engines were a really rare thing until the 80's, and it was only then that I saw any value in old Datsuns; largely due to low weight, though, and really old ones that were before my time (1600's & 1200's & WTF is this "Prince Skyline" thing?).
    Last edited by Captiva Fan; 06-10-17 at 12:54 PM.
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    I can see why you are a Captiva fan with your horribly misinformed opinions on 70's datsuns. I'm pretty sure I'm slightly younger than you but in my early to mid 1990's youth Datsun 1600's were possibly the greatest and best cars ever made (probably still are). L-series engines lasted forever (even if the factory rings did not) and were cheap and easy to modify. The Datsun parts bin allowed you to mix and match all manner of bits.

    They may have been rusty, they may have fallen apart at the seams interior-wise but they were cheap and eminently thrashable. Plus a large cammed, twin webbered L20B at full song is a thing of beauty and a joy forever.

    You were probably driving fwd corollas.
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    True, the first car I had which could achieve the speed limit was an AE82 Twin Cam ... 1600's were ancient by then, older than I was, and yeah they were OK to me because they could be modified not because they were any good when they weren't old.
    Soft roaders represent an excellent compromise between the needs of the hardcore 4x4 user and the convenience of a city hatchback. Its clear to see why they have become so popular in todays society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lumpy View Post
    I can see why you are a Captiva fan with your horribly misinformed opinions on 70's datsuns. I'm pretty sure I'm slightly younger than you but in my early to mid 1990's youth Datsun 1600's were possibly the greatest and best cars ever made (probably still are). L-series engines lasted forever (even if the factory rings did not) and were cheap and easy to modify. The Datsun parts bin allowed you to mix and match all manner of bits.

    They may have been rusty, they may have fallen apart at the seams interior-wise but they were cheap and eminently thrashable. Plus a large cammed, twin webbered L20B at full song is a thing of beauty and a joy forever.

    You were probably driving fwd corollas.
    A crap rip off BMW with a crap rip off Merc motor in it, meh.

    They were mediocre, they had to be to remain cheap. They became eminently thrashable because people couldn't afford to thrash decent cars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captiva Fan View Post
    Having been born early 70's, those were largely shitboxes to me. They tended not to last more than 10-ish years, and were all rusty & falling apart & blowing smoke by the time I had any interest in cars. 180B's, 120Y's, 200B's, 240K's, 260C's.
    How about you drop the ignorant dribble about cars you've never even driven? Similarly, your whole gurlytrux/slushbox/Toyota broken record rants have derailed far too many threads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreaksMyWallet View Post
    How about you drop the ignorant dribble about cars you've never even driven?
    Oh I'm sorry, did I insult your beloved 180B?
    Great cars those, top class!
    Soft roaders represent an excellent compromise between the needs of the hardcore 4x4 user and the convenience of a city hatchback. Its clear to see why they have become so popular in todays society.

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    No, you're just mind-numbingly boring. And with a talent for turning threads about twin-turbo Lambos into arguments about doorhandles on Daewoo Nubiras.

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    I have a very large shed full of very interesting cars, When people visit its the old Dattos that everyone's drawn to, Dattos all way upto the R32 GTR are ultra cool.
    SCCA and Rally history back up what a world class weapon the lovely 510 is.
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    Im with Craptiva on this one. Early dattos were rusty shitboxes. As a child of the 70s as well, the greatest and best cars ever made were muscle cars. Think cheap SLR Toranas, escort2000ís, XY falcons and Valís. Pre ebay turbo days and pre the nostalgic muscle car boom, there was no substitute for cubic inches.
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    The questions was whether pre-1990's Nissans were cool things.

    Badge snobs may not have liked them for their apparent lack of pedigree, and yes there weren't as fast as most muscle cars of the ear (until you got to a dirt road or a corner), and yes they did rust almost as badly as russian steel bodied alfas.

    But they were most definitely cool things, hence the IDx concept in the first place attempting to recapture that cool thing vibe.
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    Almost every survivor of the 60's/70's/early 80's era is now a cool thing.

    The current generation didn't really grow up in an era where a KE70 Corolla or 180B was an boring shitbox you bought because you couldn't afford something interesting like an AE82 Twincam or Exa. I think the rarity of the things now contributes, plus the fact they're RWD!

    This Datsun concept would have been a good thing. Though they're unlikely to build it because we're now several generations of boring shitbox away from the cars that inspired it, and the population now aspires to a new level of boring shitbox. Nissan would rather sell 43 different types of SUV than anything interesting these days. There's no money in 'interesting'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Purple View Post
    Nissan would rather sell 43 different types of SUV than anything interesting these days. There's no money in 'interesting'.
    There's potentially some marketing value to be had, but whether they can spin it right is a different thing.
    eg. while Toyota makes $39.9k profit out of a $40k RAV4, does Mrs Baddriver think she's as cool & youthful as a Toyobaru? [Actually it's probably more profit than that because Mrs Baddriver is a 'tard as proven by her buying a RAV4 & hence signed up for finance by the dealer]
    I'm not sure she does think that; but that was the goal, the Toyobaru was/is more about that than Toyobaru profits alone.
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