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    Quote Originally Posted by dnegative View Post
    BOC are not interested nor give two fucks about gas sales and rentals to small business and consumers, all those cunts want to do is sell bulk gasses and supply contracts.
    Considering they are hurting with sales at the moment, you'd think they would look at the weekend warrior market to pick up sales.

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    Don't know if they do mig gas, but I was at the local Bunnings the other weekend and noticed oxy & acetylene bottles in a cage. Asked about them, apparently its a $200 deposit per bottle, then $99 or thereabouts to swap for a full acetylene bottle and $69 or so for oxy. I pay around $160 or more per bottle per year just in rental to BOC.

    So for $40 more than a year's rental from BOC, I never need to pay rental again !

    I'll be returning the BOC stuff (after being a customer for at least 25 years) and switching to Bunnings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave1600 View Post
    Don't know if they do mig gas, but I was at the local Bunnings the other weekend and noticed oxy & acetylene bottles in a cage. Asked about them, apparently its a $200 deposit per bottle, then $99 or thereabouts to swap for a full acetylene bottle and $69 or so for oxy. I pay around $160 or more per bottle per year just in rental to BOC.

    So for $40 more than a year's rental from BOC, I never need to pay rental again !

    I'll be returning the BOC stuff (after being a customer for at least 25 years) and switching to Bunnings.
    They only do Oxy/Acetylene, and they're NSW only at the moment...
    I'm hardly using my mig at the moment, have swapped over to the little disposable bottles from Hafco - BOC bottle rental was killing me.
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    I found those little disposables not too bad for little handy man jobs .
    Screw BOC will never use them again. I returned the MIG bottle I had before the due date of the invoice . Turned out the billing period finished 3 weeks before the actual due date , I was a couple days over , pricks wanted an extra month since they only do by the month.

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    how long do those disposable ones actually last in real life? thinking about giving them a run since I really don't do that much welding and fluxcore is giving me the shits.
    they advertise they last for 20min continuous which sounds like a lot to me.

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    They're very small so I couldn't imagine them lasting for too long. Bottle rental isn't too expensive, just think of it like a 6pack of beer a month


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    Quote Originally Posted by bang chong View Post
    They're very small so I couldn't imagine them lasting for too long. Bottle rental isn't too expensive, just think of it like a 6pack of beer a month


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    Fucking expensive beer if you're buying $30 sixpacks.
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gammaboy View Post
    Fucking expensive beer if you're buying $30 sixpacks.
    You clearly are getting ripped off in rental prices. I pay about $15 a month per bottle


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    Latest bottle of argon was $362.

    That and the Argo shield bottle rental comes in at $40 a month.
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    yep thats fucking rediculous, dont ever go back. $152 at aitkens was my latest price.

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    I've just bought one of those 2.2L disposable cylinders and a regulator to suit.
    Will report back with usage once I've emptied it.
    Using it for 0.6mm wire for sill and floor repairs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by awdmoke View Post
    I've just bought one of those 2.2L disposable cylinders and a regulator to suit.
    Will report back with usage once I've emptied it.
    Using it for 0.6mm wire for sill and floor repairs.
    I used these a little while ago, a mate needed a job done , and surprisingly they went way further than I thought . Their rating is ok, we were welding a roof rack for a trailer . We got every bit of the rated 20 mins out of each bottle
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    What's with those disposable bottles regulators? If I had the regulator on tight no gas would flow out of the bottle. Only if I had the regulator on loose? Doesn't seem right to me and it did not even last the 6 minutes they quote? Reg issue?

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    I had the same problem with the disposable bottles. Took me 3 bottles to do one small job.
    I bit the bullet and bought A proper bottle from gasweld,

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    So whats the latest with bottle rental?
    Im looking to get an E of argon and trying to compare prices of rental vs buy etc.

    Supagas buy program is 479 to buy the E bottle full of argon, then 149 per swap from that point.
    http://www.gasweld.com.au/catalogue/docs/speedgas.pdf

    How do the other companies stand on pricing?

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    I found out that if you hold a BOC bottle for less than thirty days there is no rental applied to it, handy if it works for you. When the Colt22 kits first came out back in the last century there was a short period where the bottles were sold as part of the kit, that didn't last long and hasn't happened since. I have been renting bottles since 1970 and hate to think how much money I have given them over the years.

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    Went with supagas, cheapest I could find for a e.

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    The mob I was renting off previously haven't sent me a bill in almost 3 years and I still have there bottle (E Argon), last time I went to get a refill the bloke said something about new owners and seemed to struggle to find me details on the computer so I guess they forgot about me.
    It only just ran out to.

    Started with a new mod called M & G, I think for the E size bottle it's $190 per year rental and $80 refill.


    Total Tools in Fyshwick sell the bottles via Power10 Gas, no idea of cost.

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    thats a pretty good deal.

    Is anyone running dual flow meters to do tig plus purge? I cant seem to find any fittings in australia to make a Tee

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    Check out http://www.bobthewelder.com.au/home.php?cat=282

    There are a couple of options for tee's one with and one without valves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by awdmoke View Post
    I've just bought one of those 2.2L disposable cylinders and a regulator to suit.
    Will report back with usage once I've emptied it.

    Slight bumpage , hows the usage going?
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    I bought 2 more disposable litre bottles I don't think the six min welding time is correct I reckon it's half that.

    How many litres does an e size bottle have?
    Last edited by snavy; 06-02-15 at 07:54 AM.

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    Standard E is 4 cu m at atmospheric pressure. Cu m is 1000 litres, so 4000 litres.
    At a typically high flow of 10l/min that is 400min of flow. There are high pressure
    Es around now from Linde that have 300Bar instead of 170Bar so you get G volume
    in E size, but not available to own.

    My E says water volume 23.8l and typically arrive with 18,000 kpa when full,
    so around 170 Bar.

    High pressure 2.2l disposables are 10,000 kpa or 99 Bar so your 2.2
    litres gives less than 220l of free flow argon or approx 1/18th of an E
    which typically costs $150-170 to refill.

    One litre gas cylinders seem to be nominally 60Bar so 60 litres
    or 6 minutes at typical 10l/min for tig.

    All these maths are simplified, rounded etc but hopefully give ball park
    figures for comparison costs.

    Owning a gas cylinder as per Supagas, Speedgas etc is the way to go. Buy
    the cylinder for a few hundred and pay a $170 odd for a refill. I have moved
    to Gs for this reason, bottle not much more expensive and twice as much gas.
    I just keep the extra E for a bit of portability.

    Just looking at cost/minute, 400 mins for $170 gives $0.43 per min.
    $80 odd for 200l/20 mins is still $4 a minute, ten times the bottled
    gas price.
    $30 odd for 60l/6 mins is $5 per minute, more than 10 times bottled price.
    And if getting less than 6 mins then wow that is rich.
    We pay about twice the price of the USA for welding gas.
    Wow no wonder they want to sell those small cylinders!

    ps. Just re-read post above and snavy actually says litre bottles which
    I had taken as 2.2s because that is what I found online as the popular
    size. Now found one litre for 60 litres/6 minutes.
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    I've got a 'free' G size bottle ATM ... can you decant from one G to another?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nero View Post
    I've got a 'free' G size bottle ATM ... can you decant from one G to another?
    i'd imagine you could get two half full bottles if your pipe doesn't explode, put the "to" bottle in the freezer and heat up the "from" bottle too.

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    Yep I reckon you would just end up with equilibrium, half in each.
    But you would need a compatible hose rated to 40,000 kpa
    to be safe.
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    Fuck me gas over there is exxxy.

    Today I had 2 x 15 pack cages of both Nitrogen and O2 as well as 5 single bottles of argosheild delivered.

    invoice was $180.00 inc delivery.

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    There is another supplier around now too, "Power 10" http://www.power10gases.com.au i just bought an E size from Total tools in Ipswich for $479, slightly cheaper than speed gas for a refill too.
    yep

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay_G View Post
    There is another supplier around now too, "Power 10" http://www.power10gases.com.au i just bought an E size from Total tools in Ipswich for $479, slightly cheaper than speed gas for a refill too.
    Nice...looks like they are coming to bunbury.

    Whats are refill worth? Might be the excuse to finally get a TIG.

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    My mate gets e's from elgas for something like $49 and rental is $15 a month. Gets free delivery in manly cause you cant pickup or somthing .Makes my speedgas bottle seem like a real waste. Keen on a decanter pipe. I can findout exactly how much he pays if anyone is interested.

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