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    Prepare your internets, photo dump!



























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    And i'll just leave this here too. Another story for another day....

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    VS UTE 5L- Wayne Gardner Racing ugliness.

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    pretty sure i still have that issue of street commodores floating around somewhere
    Yeah me too

    I started reading the first post then the ugly ass Enkei rims and the wing appeared and I knew I had seen this before in a previous life.

    Those VX GTS rims looked the best in my humble opinion.

    Any info on the stroker engines that WGR built for some of the road cars? Never seen one
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    Well looking through the sales brochure there is no mention of a stroker engine. But i have heard there were a few that had this option and that they were built by the race team.
    Honestly not too sure on any more details other than that.


    Did some work on this today for the first time in a looooong time. Will save that until i finish my story.

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    in for HQ story also.
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    Ok then, so here's the HQ story. It's kind of embarassing looking back on it now. Just a steep learning curve for a young guy with no idea. A world of fail.

    Before the ute came along, and before drifting started, i was a young 2nd year apprentice at a dealership. A shit cunt with no money. But i just wanted to drive on the track, it was my dream. So i was flicking through the classifieds in the back of Auto Action and found a guy selling a couple of HQ racers. I always liked watching the HQ's run back in the 90's, and this seemed like a good way for me to start, just by doing some supersprints and hillclimbs.
    So i bit the bullet, took out a personal loan and went out to buy this HQ.













    It was a really well built HQ racer built to HQ racing rules by a guy who taught painting at TAFE. He only ever used it for Hillclimbs and sprints, so it was immaculate unlike most of the HQs that did door to door racing.
    I was pretty poor, had no tow car or trailer, so i had to borrow these of other people or pay for a tilt tray to take it to and from the track.

    My TAFE teacher at the time was chief scrutineer at Oran Park, and he suggested i join the NSW Road Racing Club. So i did.
    Their next event coming up was the Huntley hillclimb down in Dapto, so i entered, borrowed a ute and a rusty old trailer and headed down.

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    Now when i bought this, the guy told me that it ran on avgas. But also said that it would run on 98ron as well. So i pop down to the local airport in the leadup to the hillclimb to get some avvy. Nobody there. No avgas. I'll just put in 98 then, she'll be right.
    Yes i was young dumb cunt.
    So first run up the hill, start off ok, but then start to here the dreaded pinging noise. A short time later i see a nice plume of smoke from the rear of the car and it starts to lose power. I limped it to the top where it shut down by itself, got out and had a look under the bonnet. Fuck! Coolant everywhere!
    Headgasket was gone and it was pumping the coolant straight out of the side of the head where it met the block.
    I rolled back down the hill and straight onto the trailer to head home. Great debut fuckwit.
    (It turned out that i got an award for 2nd in class for my first and only run. There were 2 cars in my class.....)





    So i pulled off the head, sent it to get checked out (it was fine), chucked on a new headgasket and entered the upcoming supersprint at Oran Park south.
    This time i bought some RF100 race fuel at the track. Should have done that before doh!
    Still no idea what im doing. The car was running old RE88's when i got it, so i upgraded to some HQ racing spec RE92's that i got from Oran Park during an HQ race meet. They were 2nd hand junkers that they were chucking away. Well worn. No money, no idea. Tire pressures? Umm yeah 34psi will do.

    This time was much better though, i was getting in some laps and getting a feel for the car and learning the track. This was my first time ever on the other side of the concrete wall and i was loving it. The car was a bit boaty and slid around a fair bit, but hey i like that.
    The biggest issue i had (besides forgetting to remove the 2 spare wheels out of the boot before my first run) was braking into turn 1. I was either too late or too early. Too early isnt too bad, too late was a problem. A few times i ended up backing it in when the rears locked with too much speed on, and i ended up off track a bit.

    Like this. I was in front of the other HQ on entry to turn 1, on exit i was headed for the north circuit via the gravel trap.




    After a stern talking to from the officials afterwards about taking it easier into turn 1 (including them telling me i might be better off in speedway sprintcars given all the tail sliding i was doing lol) I got my shit together and started putting in some clean laps.
    Ended up with a best of i think 56 seconds around south circuit, which was 4 seconds off the HQ lap record. Pretty piss poor, but my first time out.
    The car didnt break, i didnt crash. All was good.

    I ended up doing a couple more sprints on OP south, but then entered one on the GP circuit. The full track, under and over the bridge.
    The first few runs were ok but slow, still learning the track.
    Then a bit later i was coming over the dogleg and heard an odd noise from the engine followed by some ticking. I pulled into the pits, it didnt sound too good when the bonnet was popped, but nothing obvious. Onto the tilt tray early for the ride home.

    Waiting for the tilt tray at the front gate.




    Got it home, started pulling it apart to find the noise. Off comes the head, fuck, there's your problem!
    Broken ring lands on one of the ACL flat top pistons. And a nice crack in the bore of same cylinder. Double fuck!
    There goes my expensive built HQ engine.
    Young, no money and no idea, left it in the garage for a few months and forget about it.

    About a year later the club was having a meeting to celebrate their 50 years of existence, and had organised for some parade laps for all the various cars that had been run by club members over the years. I thought fuck it, i'll get the HQ running and do some nice parade laps. What could go wrong there?
    So i chucked in an old junk long red motor that i had lying around and trailered it down to Oran Park once more.
    All was going well on the first couple of parade laps (except for the spare battery i had forgotten to take out of the boot beforehand sliding around and hitting the inside of the rear quarters!) when, coming onto the main straight, the engine cut out. I rolled into the pits and popped the bonnet for a look.
    Engine cranked but the rotor button wasn't turning. The cam gear which was made out of cheese had broken. Seriously? Fuck me dead!

    By then i had bought the ute and drifting had begun. I was totally over the HQ.
    I pulled the engine again, slapped on the race head and fitted the race cam to get it running, then stuck it on ebay where it sold for a substantial loss.

    Goodbye HQ



    I did this all by myself with no money and too proud/stupid to ask for help.
    I fucked up a lot. I learnt a lot. I lost a lot of money. But when it was working, fuck it was fun!
    And that's the end of that chapter.
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    Reading through all that i got a bit depressed. Fucked up a good car.
    Same with this ute. At least i had fun doing it.

    Now getting to how it stands now....





    Pretty sad looking. The paint is faded to fuck, clear is peeling off the bonnet from a previous repair before i owned it. Battle scars everywhere. No rego for the last 18 months.
    Every time i went outside and saw it my heart broke a little more.
    I was pretty much over it, and had been making plans to sell it. No point letting it rot away in the yard.

    Then one morning having a dart and looking at it, my brain snapped and reality sunk in. Nobody is going to pay half decent money for it. It looks like shit. I'd never get a price i was happy with. What a waste.
    But the biggest thing i'd lose was the bond i have with this car. We did so much together. It was a rock for me. Always dependable, loads of fun when it needed to be.
    Nobody else would have that link to it, money can't buy that and i'd never get it back.
    Nopics and i even went out for our first date in it, and it also carried us to the place where i proposed to her. She thought i was crazy for wanting to sell it.
    So my mind was made up. It's getting some loving and going back on the road, with the end goal being for us to use it as our getaway car from our wedding.


    Honestly, it needs a full respray. That wont be happening soon. Too much money that is needed elsewhere at the moment. Instead i will do my very best to clean it up and get it looking respectable for the big day. Respray somewhere in the distant future.
    I've already tried rubbing some of the shit clear off the bonnet with wet and dry on a little test patch. It worked and the paint underneath polished up ok. Better than expected. So some elbow grease will be needed to finish that.

    Also did some mechanical work to it last weekend to get it roadworthy, and last night bought yet another set of wheels to go on.......
    Pics to come in the next few days.
    I'm so psyched to be working on this again.
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    Good on ya mate, good read about what youve done too. Great way to learn, similar to what ive done however ive asked the stupid questions on the internet haha.

    Nice to read your getting back into it again

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    How about a quick respray of roof & bonnet?
    Most crash shops would do it no probs - no panel work, just a rub down & squirt of new paint, will be cheap & will do wonders for the looks.
    Just polish the rest - maybe polish the rest 1st so it can be colour matched easier.

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    Cool story dude, good to see you keeping the car. Once they're gone there is no getting them back.
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    Good to see you are keeping it chief. Finally worked out the NED10H, never looked at it as backwards
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoganDAVE View Post
    Cool story dude, good to see you keeping the car. Once they're gone there is no getting them back.
    What he said. I ended up tracking one of my old cars down - its now just a front quarter panel hanging of the wall of a wreckers factory.

    Considering the sentimental value behind it and the fact its a commo [ie parts a $3.50 and are found at local milk bars] it shouldn't cost you much to make good again. What TK said is a good start, apart from the bonnet the rest looks like it would polish up good.

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    Thanks for the positive comments people. I honestly didn't expect too much interest. It's not exactly a powerhouse with it's stock engine, and there's no fancy fabrication like most cars on here im jealous of.

    Anyways, to some of the points you've raised.
    The bodywork is a bit tired. Not all of the damage is visible in that picture, and some of it looks worse in that pic than it really is.
    Pretty much every panel has a dent or is missing some paint. The rear bar is the worst. So many scars from popping tyres and dad backing it into a gate and me carelessly jacknifing my car trailer when reversing it out the driveway half asleep.

    The rear quarters are scratched from a thousand steel belts of fury. There's damage to the drivers door around the handle where some tard tried to break into it at some point in its life. So really it does need a respray.

    I did polish the roof quickly and half assed on the weekend to see how it looked, actually got some shine on it, the roof has the best paint on the whole car.
    I think once i rub back the clear on the bonnet, and give the whole thing a buff it should come up alright, just with a few scars. I may replace the rear bar though, there's way too many repairs needed to fix it up, would be better to start again. We'll see.


    I really would have regretted selling this one for sure. Looks like it's hanging around for a while now.

    And yes my numberplates NED10H. I've lost count of how many times i've had to explain them to people who don't get it lol. Not many do.


    Dying to get some time to work on it again, hopefully on the weekend i can get the new wheels on for a look. It's gonna get uglier....

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    Great read. Stop being so fucking hard on yourself! You've done a lot of shit most dumb cunts only dream about. Look forward to more.

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    I had a mint vs gts up until 8months ago when life got in the way and I needed the money elsewhere (bought a house) Loved that car too. Have so many fond memories, killed me to sell it and the worst part is 3months later I got a new job with a heap more money so I could have easily kept it. Kills me every time I think about it.
    Glad you've decided to keep yours mate instead if selling it off. They never come back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snelens View Post
    Great read. Stop being so fucking hard on yourself! You've done a lot of shit most dumb cunts only dream about. Look forward to more.

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    Haha sorry. I have really high standards, but i'm a shit lazy cunt. I'm my own worst critic.
    Thanks for the input though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EJ DUDE View Post
    I had a mint vs gts up until 8months ago when life got in the way and I needed the money elsewhere (bought a house) Loved that car too. Have so many fond memories, killed me to sell it and the worst part is 3months later I got a new job with a heap more money so I could have easily kept it. Kills me every time I think about it.
    Glad you've decided to keep yours mate instead if selling it off. They never come back.
    Man I would have killed for that carbon fibre intake at one point!
    Funny you say that about the intake, i was actually going to pinch it to put on dads VS 5L when the ute came in as a trade. I ended up buying the whole thing instead.

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    Small update. I did do some mechanical work the other day, a fair bit too. But that's still in progress so i wont bother with updating till later.
    But since i've gotten back into it again i've been looking out for another set of wheels for a fresh look. After looking at all manner of HSV and Holden wheels, and trying very hard to make a set of 17/18in SSR Formula Mesh that i have lying around fit (they would just fit under the guards, except they're 5x114.3 and would need conversion bolt on spacers which would push them outside the guard) i started looking for some Momo Status rims.

    These were the original wheel that WGR cars had, but from what i can tell mine never did. Instead it got those horrible chrome Enkei's.
    I ended up finding a set of 17in Status on ebay in Melbourne, a bit banged up but with good tyres, but that meant they would need shipping which im not a fan of.
    I procrastinated about it for a few days, and was just about to buy them when another set of Status rims came up on ebay. In 18inch. With better tyres. For less money. And 5 minutes from my house!

    I sent the guy a message on ebay, and 1 hour later they were in my garage. He sold them to me for $70 less than his starting price on ebay, and i didn't even lowball! Wtf?


    Anyway i finally had a chance to chuck them on today. My only issue with them is that they're chromed. I wanted silver finish. I dislike chrome wheels.
    One day they will be painted, but for now i'll live with it.
    Some nice phone pics. The look is interesting..... it's slowly growing on me.



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    great read keep it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StupidFlanders View Post
    Anyway i finally had a chance to chuck them on today. My only issue with them is that they're chromed. I wanted silver finish. I dislike chrome wheels.
    One day they will be painted, but for now i'll live with it.
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    So you'll have a quote for me tomorrow then?
    The centre caps are metal too, bonus. Just not the badges, but the can be removed.
    Chrome is awful.

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    Some updates.

    Firstly, one lunchtime i was doing some googling on my phone and happened to come across some familiar pictures being used by SSV (are they still around? wow) to advertise their WGR bodykits. Assholes pinched my pics off the net, and even added their own watermarks!
    I don't know how to feel about this. On one hand i'm flattered, on the other hand i'm "fuck you for stealing my shit".
    I guess once you put stuff online it's a free for all.














    Was thinking about hitting them up for a cheap (free) new rear bar to replace my wrecked one. Don't like my chances. Plus i think theirs might be shit quality, and they actually charge more than Talon who sell the original kits made in the original moulds!


    Anyways, been plugging away at fixing items to get it reliable, nice to drive and able to pass a blue slip.
    First order of business was some basic servicing. On went a new oil filter to go with some fresh oil. Also chucked on a new fuel filter and put some fresh fuel in the tank as the fuel in it was a year and a half old.

    Then it was time to go through the brakes. Which has been a fucking epic ordeal for some retarded unforseen reasons!


    Old front rotors. Rusty worn VT jobbies with slots.




    New rotors fitted, no slots because not racecar and they get noisy. And they cost more. Thats the main reason.
    Also installed some hub rings from Race Brakes to properly centre the VT rotors on the VS hubs. The VT's have a slightly larger centre spigot than VS, these take up the small gap. Something i should have done years ago. They never quite sat right. And of course new front pads.

    [IMG]http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p211/StoopidFlanders/UTE/IMG_1365_zps1e1b330a.jpg~originalIMG]


    Then on with some new rear rotors and pads.





    And then figured that it's probably a good idea to flush the brake fluid. Well duh!
    It was a little black.....




    All done, time for a road test. Hmmm, feels like the handbrake is on and the rear pads are smoking. Removed rear wheels to inspect, found the pistons weren't retracting back into the calipers once the brake was released. I did notice when i was fitting the new rear pads that the pistons were quite rusty inside. VERY rusty. Worst i'd ever seen by far. And the caliper brackets had grooves worn into them from many years of the pads sliding back and forth. DEEP grooves. Worst i'd ever seen by far. I pretended not to see any of this, and just fitted the pads. It bit me in the ass.

    Now i haven't abused this thing that bad to wear out calipers so much, this isn't the diff that it came out of the factory with (it's actually about the 4th or 5th!)
    Which leads me to another thread detour......
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    Some years ago a mate messaged me saying he was selling a red VG V6 manual ute for a grand with rego, and did i know anybody who wanted it.
    Hmmm another red ute. Maybe i can use that for a tow car and retire the VS and give it the love it really needs. I'll take it!


    The bad thing was that the engine had a horrendous knocking noise coming from deep within, and the body was a little sad.
    The good thing was that included a spare VP V6 engine that came with no knocking noises included. So i loaded up the "new" engine and rattled my way home.
    I don't know how it still ran, the noise was indescribable. He drove it for months like that, even towing his car trailer and drift car over some very long distances.
    May have been balance shaft? Who knows.

    How it arrived.



    BLOBAK3. With no blower...




    A fine specimen of a working ute.






    In went the VP engine, and a new grille. Then some paint on the bumpers and the spare tailgate from the VS and finally a buff.

    Perfect!




    And then some cheap wanker wheels to really set the mood.





    I did notice that compared to the V8 ute, the V6 was a little sluggish. Maybe some shorter diff gears will fix that?
    Now the VS diff had a leaking pinion seal, and the VG had a leaking rear cover and a tighter LSD.
    I hate doing pinion seals and the VG would need a new one as well if the ratio was being changed.
    So i decided to do a side by side ute diff exchange.




    Before i fitted the diff back in the VG, i chucked it in the tray of the VS and took it to my boss who used to work at a diff shop. I'm not super confident with setting diffs up, so i thought i'd let a pro do it for me for free. In went some 2nd hand VL 3.45 diff gears and a new pinion seal. Refitted it to the VG and was happy with the ever so slightly better acceleration. Then i got sick of driving a shitty old VG ute after a few months and fucked it off for an Excel auto.


    So that's why my rear calipers were now fucked, because i swapped housings and everything attached to them between cars, which naturally included the calipers. And the VG had had a much longer and harder life.
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    Great, so no point rebuilding fucked out old calipers, i got another pair from the wreckers which were in great condition if not a little dirty.
    Nothing a quick hit with the wire wheel on the grinder wouldn't fix.




    Then instead of rebuilding them as a precaution, i chucked them on after lubing the caliper slides. She'll be right. Or not.
    A road test revealed that now it didn't feel like the handbrake was on, but one rear caliper was still sticking slightly and really heating up the pads. Goddammit!
    Oh and also, one of the front pads wasn't bedding in fully. Hard to explain it, but the pad was only rubbing on the inner circumference of the rotor. And i could push on it from the outside and make the top edge push in and out of the rotor. Fuck me dead.

    I bit the bullet and bought rear caliper kits, which i hope fixes that end, still yet to do that because i got the shits with it. With the front i found that the alloy caliper body was warped quite badly. God knows how. Another trip to the wreckers got me another pair of VT front calipers (they wouldn't sell me just one) for $30. Fitted one of these in place of the warped one, all fixed.



    I got sick of working on the brakes, so decided to replace the engine mounts which were a little sad. Or completely fucked more like it!



    Also bought a gearbox mount, still yet to fit that.
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    Dude just pop the pistons out and clean them up. Whack it back together with new seals. It costs fuck all and with a little smear of rubber grease they will last for another 20 years.
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    Got sick of doing mechanical work, moved onto the body for a while. Most of the faded parts seem to be coming up ok after a quick polish, a buff will do wonders.
    The worst bits are the bonnet which has the clear peeling off quite badly, and the rear bar which has a lot of cracks and chunks missing and paint falling off from several little incidents and about 3000 exploding tyres.

    I tried gently removing the rest of the clear off the bonnet using wet and dry, but of course i rubbed straight through the paint. Seems there is about 1 layer of paint then shitty peeling clearcoat. Crap. So that now either needs painting, or i find another red bonnet. And not one wreckers around has one of those.


    So i moved onto removing the rear bar so i can do some fibreglass repairs and then prep and paint myself. The sides were held on with some small bolts, and approximately 1 tube of Sikaflex per side! It was a nightmare to carefully remove and not damage the body or crack the bar, but eventually it came free.





    Now i get to have fun playing with itchy fibreglass for a few weeks.






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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmuz View Post
    Dude just pop the pistons out and clean them up. Whack it back together with new seals. It costs fuck all and with a little smear of rubber grease they will last for another 20 years.
    Yep that's the plan. I have the seal kits sitting in the garage. Just need motivation to do it.
    I've rebuilt infinity Commodore calipers over the years, so i know what i'm doing, just need to stop being a lazy, cheap, half assed cunt.

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    Anyone got a red VR/VS bonnet lying around?
    Running out of time and money to paint my bonnet, don't want to paint it myself because it will turn out shit. Plus the whole car needs a paint anyway, stupid to do just the bonnet. Not enough time or money for full respray.
    Thinking about wrapping the bonnet myself in fake carbon fibre. Definately not ideal, will look cheap and tacky but running out of options.

    Still going to repair and paint rear bar myself, and i'll do a quick silver paint job on the rims, the chrome looks shit.
    Will get them blasted and done properly at a later date.

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    Hey StupidFlanders, nice ride. Just wondering if you could point me in the right direction for getting some WGR Racing stickers made to replace my scratched up ones. You mentioned Scope in your post. Cheers bud.

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