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    why not do it as when he had it with the 1500 kent engine ?- could get it regod and tool around in it

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    I just checked in with the guys at my local Cheapa Autospares (they've been fantastic with everything else in the past) and they can get all the engine bits for me no probs. The performance parts guy there says to forget about using a top loader gearbox, use a 4-speed Borg Warner instead as they're much easier to get and cheaper.

    If anyone hears about a reasonable shell, please let me know.


    ITS60S = Thanks heaps mate. Letcha know .... the shell is the main thing I'm after right now. Do they use a recirculating ball type steering or a rack & pinion?

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    Have you seen these?
    This bloke has two and they are 2 door.
    http://www.justauto.com.au/justcars/...cktext=Results

    Great project - also the historic log book is a great idea as well.

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    Bill, the Borgie Single fail (Single Rail 4 spd) is a weak pos that will be marginal behind a hot 289/302... but they are cheap ($50-150) and light. The shifters fall out of them too.

    They use a steering box - whether it's recirculating ball or what inside I don't know.

    Would love to do a 2 door Mk1 or Mk2 one day...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cal View Post
    I'd be rich if I had a dollar for every time I've heard you say "Would love to do a..... one day"
    Gitfuct.
    Beats hearing you say "I'd love to finish my mini one day" :P
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gammaboy View Post
    Bill, the Borgie Single fail (Single Rail 4 spd) is a weak pos that will be marginal behind a hot 289/302... but they are cheap ($50-150) and light. The shifters fall out of them too.
    Okay any other suggestions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Rob View Post
    Have you seen these?
    This bloke has two and they are 2 door.
    http://www.justauto.com.au/justcars/...cktext=Results

    Great project - also the historic log book is a great idea as well.
    Yep spotted those thanks. Once I find out about another one, I'll call that guy and see what condition they are and what price I can haggle down to.
    I'll try to get some of the engine bits to the builder bloke tomorrow as well.
    Gotta get started!

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    Top loader would work nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TK View Post
    Top loader would work nice.
    So has anyone got a good one at a reasonable price? I'm happy to pay what it's worth.

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    Little known fact - lotsa 6 banger corty's got a top loader, ratios are a bit different, but they are much the same box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gammaboy View Post
    Beats hearing you say "I'd love to finish my mini one day" :P
    to be fair this is every mini owner, ever

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    bill, t5 would be better.

    convert it to mk1/2 escort rack and pinion, then turn the front struts into coilovers :

    http://www.spannerfodder.com/the_wor...ust-struts.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloth View Post
    bill, t5 would be better.

    convert it to mk1/2 escort rack and pinion, then turn the front struts into coilovers :

    http://www.spannerfodder.com/the_wor...ust-struts.php
    +1 on the Escort rack convo. The steering on all my MK1's was shithouse ( I had 3, 2 GT's and a 440) Your Dads car with the ford six in it reminds me of a bloke I knew once who had a MK1 with a Chrysler slant six fitted. Three speed column shift converted to a floor shift. The bastard had so much torque it used to crack all the bog in the body and constantly needed fixing up (doesn't tinworm love the MK1 Cortina!) The thing was an absolute weapon though, built for drags.
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    great project

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    Hi all,

    I have 2 Mk1's, both are Aeroflows (indicators are built into the grill). A restored 67 2dr 240 and a 66 4dr 440 which I am slowly restoring. The 2dr is period modified so running a pre-crossflow 1500 with a 28/36 Weber, lowered, strut brace, battery relocated. I had the steering box rebuilt and it handles great. The 4dr has a cross flow with a Weber and a shit load of rust.

    Pretty much all parts are reproduced / available for Mk1's.
    - Interior: Aldridge Trimming UK
    - Panels: Expressed Panels UK
    - Serviceable Items: UK Mk1 Owners Club http://www.mk1cortina.co.uk
    - Rubbers: UK Mk1 Owners Club
    - Wheels: Midlands Wheels

    Unless you stumble across a restored shell you will be replacing the outer sills and more than likely the inner's, inserting repair sections for the front guards at the bottom of the A pillars, replacing the rear quarters and the spare wheel well. Doors will prob need a patch in each.

    Parts that are hard to come by or just expensive are:
    - GT gauge pod (always on ebay but expect to pay $250 with no guarantee of working gauges)
    - Remote shifter (I am running the standard shifter)
    - 1/4 bumper brackets. The bumpers are cheaper than the brackets. (brackets are available from the UK owners club)
    - 1/4 window rubber (available from owners club but over $200 off memory).

    Expect to pay at least 30-40% more for a 2dr and even more for a pre-Aeroflow 2dr like your dads (mid 64 and earlier). Unfortunately they are the bodies always in demand.

    The pecking order is kind of: Lotus Cortina, GT 500, GT Cortina 2dr (not originally sold in Oz but some here), GT 4dr Cortina, Estate (few and far between in Oz), 2dr Cortina pre Aeroflow, 2dr Cortina Aeroflow, 4dr Cortina's.

    There is forever cars popping up on ebay so bide your time and you will find one. The Oz Mk1 forum has been offline for about 2yrs until this week coincidentally. Post on there that you are chasing one. http://www.cortina-mk1classifieds.com/forum/forum.php

    As much of a fan I am of Sports Sedans you would be crazy to not restore it to a road version of the original specs where at least the car is usable, especially as that scheme with the stripes in pretty darn cool.

    Let me know if you have any Q's Bill.

    (ITS60S tell me more about these MK1 parts.......)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billzilla View Post
    Okay any other suggestions?
    for 300hp they will be fine as long as you arent clutch dumping it all day.

    valiants used the single rail behind E49s and they held up fine.

    2nd gear syncro is a bit shit, there are things you can do to help them (cant remember off the top of my head) and the shifter falling out issue is fixed with a steel nut instead of the original plastic one, which you used to be able to buy through ford (not sure now) but are being reproduced anyways.

    they are a good box. streets ahead of the holden M series shit.
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    Bill, I think you need to decide on a direction for the project, it'll help it move forward and help everyone help you.

    Do you want to build;
    As close of a recreation of the original as possible?
    Something your old man can easily drive now at 84?
    A car you could actually race again now and in the future?

    I think all 3 would have a different build strategy and choice of components. Just a thought…
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    i think option A. just keep it basic, unregistered, big donk chopped into the front, steelies and a paint job like it had. no perfection needed.
    yeh you might wreck car that has value as a proper restoration but fuck it. go get it all crossed up a few times with the old boy and park it as a momento.

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    Huge thanks again blokes.
    The plan is to recreate the car as best I can, but it'll have to have a cage, and better suspension & brakes.
    I'll keep looking for a reasonable shell, and the Plan A is to get it, see what it needs, fix it up, then see how much time I have left before his birthday next year.
    - If I'm short of time I'll just dress it up to look like it used to from outside and keep the 1500cc Kent in it ...... until I have more time later to fit the V8.
    - If I have time I'll go for the V8 right after the body is largely sorted.

    It's not going to be a one-use car, I do want to run it occasionally in whatever event I can get it into. I reckon that'll have to mostly be AASA events as they're more accommodating than CAMS. I also want Dad to drive it, probably in something like a Regularity Trial but when he does I'll make it so the throttle only opens to maybe 20% to keep the power down.

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    Okay I have turned off Dad's access to this sub-forum so he can't see this thread. I've also told him that you guys were really interested in the car and so he should have a think about how he put it together so I could write it al down for you lot. He said he also really enjoyed driving it, so that's good.

    Does anyone know this car in Sydney? http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/221527554...84.m1438.l2649
    It's quite possibly make things easier as it's already got a bloody great hole where the firewall used to be, and come with a Nissan V6 & gearbox that I can sell to offset the costs a bit. Maybe even the trailer as well, though I might keep that to drag it around with.
    (Thanks to Zammo for finding it!)

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    Shouldn't have any problems running it in CAMS sprints and hillclimbs, they're pretty liberal with respect to classes and won't need a log book and at least the car will get exercised

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    Cool!

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    That ebay one Bill, things I know about people advertising 50 year old cars;
    If they say 'it's in showroom condition' means it has rust in invisible spots.
    If they say 'it's in good nick' means it needs a bare metal rebuild
    If they say 'body has rust from sitting outside' means it is fucked and held together with bog and killrust paint.

    Killer project though mate! Will no doubt be a lasting memory for you and your Dad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRGREATWALLMAN View Post
    for 300hp they will be fine as long as you arent clutch dumping it all day.

    valiants used the single rail behind E49s and they held up fine.

    2nd gear syncro is a bit shit, there are things you can do to help them (cant remember off the top of my head) and the shifter falling out issue is fixed with a steel nut instead of the original plastic one, which you used to be able to buy through ford (not sure now) but are being reproduced anyways.

    they are a good box. streets ahead of the holden M series shit.
    I had a Single Rail in a later TD Cortina behind a turbocharged 250 6 cyl. Used to do mad burnouts and street racing and the only issue was the dodgy 2nd gear syncro and the shifter wanting to come out in your hand when doing fast shifts from 1st to 2nd.

    Here's a video on how to install Aluminium shifter nut in place of the nylon one. Also, with the fold over metal tabs you can put a large hose clamp around them and that should hold it too.

    The Cortina Single Rails (and Top Loaders) have their shifter coming up through the floor in a slightly different spot but that may not concern you if you are recessing the motor into the firewall. Top Loader has an external shifter with linkages bolted on the side of the box so it is easy to swap to say a Falcon shifter if the Cortina one was in the wrong spot but the Single Rail shifter screws into the rear extension housing which you will have to swap if you want a different shifter.

    More info and pics regarding Single Rail shifters
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    15min up the road if you want me to go and have a look, looks pretty rough for the $ though - the QLD one (not the pov pack grille one) looks a lot better for similar money, waiting on a call back today from a mate who last I saw him had 2 pre air flow 2 doors in his back yard doing nothing, they were a lot better than that but that was a few years ago

    edit - didn't realise it included trailer, not so bad then if you're getting that choppy choppy anyway

    Quote Originally Posted by Billzilla View Post
    Does anyone know this car in Sydney? http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/221527554...84.m1438.l2649
    It's quite possibly make things easier as it's already got a bloody great hole where the firewall used to be, and come with a Nissan V6 & gearbox that I can sell to offset the costs a bit. Maybe even the trailer as well, though I might keep that to drag it around with.
    (Thanks to Zammo for finding it!)
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    If you keep leafs in the rear (I assume it did originally - and for expediency, i'd keep it leaf - they can be made to work well enough), at least do this:
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ITS60S View Post
    15min up the road if you want me to go and have a look, looks pretty rough for the $ though - the QLD one (not the pov pack grille one) looks a lot better for similar money, waiting on a call back today from a mate who last I saw him had 2 pre air flow 2 doors in his back yard doing nothing, they were a lot better than that but that was a few years ago

    edit - didn't realise it included trailer, not so bad then if you're getting that choppy choppy anyway

    If you could have a look at it and take some photos that'd be bloody awesome thanks! It's just that it's got the hole in the firewall already cut, so it kinda commits me to putting the V8 into it right from the start.

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    A guy in the Small Ford club was after the motor only from it back in July. He may be worth contacting??.

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