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    I went with Dale at Rent4Ring and found him super helpful. Some retard crashed the Artega GT the morning I got there, so I ended up with the Opel Corsa Turbo, but it still the top bucket list thing I've done and I think about going back constantly.

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    If interested, either now or in the future... I'd be happy to play the role of local group logistics guy/guide. Could envisage it as the go-to central point of contact for PF trips. Sort out PFer's into groups over certain dates, arrange vehicles at maybe a better rate on bulk ordering. Organise hot laps with drivers, and discount ring entrance tickets. Accom, food, beer and shenanigans as a group would be epic.

    Enough have come over in ones and twos over time... Any thought on making an actual PF contingency at the ring a reality?

    Lomh stretch, but grow something like this right, wouldn't be hard to redirect such a PF contingency into functional VLN team. No shit.
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    Doing a VLN is on my bucket list. I'm all ears. I should have enough signatures on my CAMS licence now to apply for an international licence and be successful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary2JZ View Post
    Its technically a Toll Road so yes you have to pay to go on it.
    Its been a few years since the last time I've been but most certainly did NOT pay any money to have my fun.

    This man here is a close family friend Horst Klauke He lives in Neuwied (10mins drive) and being well known locally means even with an event on we could take his 911 almost anywhere without question. Purely by chance* on one occasion we attended one of the historic days and his old racing pals were more than happy to let use a few nice cars to try some laps in. The Ring is a special place for him and the events surrounding it are breaking his and the locals hearts that coupled with his ill health from old age means he no longer accommodates people and takes them around. Its different place now and as much as i know i will find myself there again i doubt the experience will be the same for me. I for one am glad i got to experience it as it was the way i did.

    *We never planned to go to the ring it was always a side mission while visiting relos and just going there randomly can be annoying. I cannot remember exactly and its different each year but in the middle of summer when they have their big holidays they close the track for a 4 day long weekend plus a few days pre and post to setup for Rock-am-Ring the entire tack is a closed campground music festival venue. Also unless you know someone in Germany buying a car for the ring is not really a viable option.
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    Rent a Racecar, Mister Klean.

    As above the sighting lap I got in his then VW Siroccoco was incredible.

    Wife will be fine in the carpark, my parents were with me at the time as a trade off for me helping them around Europe, expected it too be boring, they rated it as one of the best days of the trip. The machinery and feel in the carpark is pretty special there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZammoTheCockroach View Post
    Also unless you know someone in Germany buying a car for the ring is not really a viable option.
    My missus is German and we will be staying with her family so I could do it if it was worthwhile, but probably too much hassle I'm guessing.

    Ed - which part of germania do you live in? Greg told me you cunts hired a lotus 2-eleven a few years ago. That must have been an experience!
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    I'm about 5hrs away to the north. I have a good contact at a workshop that runs the occasional rental, and does service support for a few vln cars. Also helps drivers get into vln through these cars. Pay to drive program basically, but affordable. Many workshops like this exist thigh, so not a one off.

    Yup, Greg and I flogged a near new 211. Most docile and predictable car, and perfect for a beginners day like ours. Broke away nice, turned in nice, stopped, nice balance. Felt quick but safe. Which honestly speaking, was enough for first time, but reflecting on it, no way I'd do it again without a turbo upgrade. It just lacked push when you want to go fast. Handles nimble blinds switchback and drop always beautifully, then you smash the gas an want outta there....burrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, buuurrrrrrrrrrrrrr, buuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...........
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    I honestly reckon for the first time, you will have enough time in something slowish. For me it was a massive sensory overload. It was a relatively busy day and there are serious nutcases (Russians with too much money) around you who wouldn't give a fuck if they caused you to crash. Even as an innocent victim, you're still up for the excess!
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    Or go on a weekday, much more sane numbers, no dickhead poms with glitter painted escorts talking about which line they take in gt6... Which often ends on a tilt tray. What you WILL get is "serious Sven" and his project 997 gt3 ringer., and the likes - ie the other traffic there will be fucken rapid. But at least they are courteous and can drive.
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    i'll prob do a weekday, assuming the track isnt covered in snow/ice the entire time i'm there.

    if any of you german kents wanna catch up at some point or do as trip to the ring together i'd be keen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by break View Post
    I used these guys, rented a 'stage 2' swift, and to be honest... that was plenty for me to have fun without any hairy moments (although it was raining, so that kept things slow enough to begin with)

    http://www.rent4ring.de/en/

    Good mob, had right hand drive cars too.
    I went April 2014 and used rent4ring to, would highly recommend them. I did 2 evening sessions...Day 1 I had a Stage 2 Swift and Day 2 I had a Stage 2 BRZ. Both cars were quick enough to be fun and easy enough to drive that you could just concentrate on the road, mirrors etc without thinking about the car to much.

    I managed 4 laps each day with heaps of time to spare so I could have done more laps but I would have ended up either spending a fortune or trying to push on a bit harder than would have been appropriate.

    I went on a Monday and Tuesday. The Monday was raining sideways and bitterly cold and there was maybe 10 or 15 other cars there, the only other vehicles I saw on the track were a crashed E36 and recovery vehicle. The Swift had more than enough performance and playfulness in it for a first timer on a drenched surface.

    The Tuesday with the BRZ was blue skies and sunny but there was still probably only 50 cars there. I got chatting to someone that said that going early in the week is good as lots of people have been over the weekend already. The sunny weather drew in a few mentalist drivers to...some of them very good and very very fast in mundane cars and others completely useless in high end cars.

    We stayed in Adenau at Ring Villa and found plenty to do during the day time....castles, other villages, the wolf park and generally just driving around the country side.

    The no pics came to the track with me and tried a lap as passenger and did not like it but the cafe was closed so she just had to shelter in the freezing cold (left the hire car at rent4ring) while I went out and played. The second day we went we actually met up with a retired couple from the UK that we met in the hotel and I offered them some pax laps which they loved (own an NSX and Boxster between them!) and they bought us dinner and got me hammered that night! No pics was still not game for a lap so went in to the cafe but found you have to pre-purchase a card to buy things, not great when you just want a coffee.

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    the drive is a complete sensory overload. dont expect to do lap after lap non stop. in an afternoon session of 2-3 hours, be happy with 4-6 laps max.
    This is what I found to.

    Just being there was mind blowing for me and driving out for the first time is a real feeling of 'I can't believe I am doing this'

    The track looks nothing like it does even on youtube. The scale of the place, camber, gradients, closeness of walls and size of curbs do not come across on screen. Forget anything you have seen on computer games.

    For me the entire area was a bit magical. Staying in Adenau we wandered past the town centre and the track passes through the town on a bridge, walk up some steps and a grass bank and there is the track right there in town with all sorts of road and race cars going around! Driving around the local area you catch glimpses of it in the trees. you can hear cars going around all day, you see disguised development cars on the road...We even saw some film crew out with a BMW i8. There were track ready cars out on the roads everywhere (modified in ways that would probably get you arrested here), the whole area seems to live it.

    We went to the GP track to see what was going on there. The big visitor centre thing was deserted and mostly closed and the roller coaster was not going but the giant souvenir shop was open so I got a t-shirt, stickers and key ring. There were some Audi R8 GT cars out on the track testing which sounded awesome.

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    My advie:

    leave the stop watch at home


    take a passenger and get them to adjust the miorrors so they can see behind and warn you of the up coming traffic. No matter what car, or how good, some one will be going waaaay faster.

    Dont plan on doing 10 laps on a weekend day, it is closed for crashes more than it is open.

    The 1st time I did it in a 318, 2nd time in a 330. 318 was waaaay more fun, and still got to 200 on the last bit.

    Pick 4-6 corners, and concentrate on getting them right, then the next 4-6 cnrs.

    Look at the ben love joy page, and the ringers forum he runs. They also have a page on group buying of cars etc. IIRC they used a mk3 golf??

    leave the stop watch at home.

    Find the auto sport PDF written by the BMW driver training dude. Cnr by cnr lines approaches etc etc.

    Make sure your travell ins covers this type of shit.

    Dont use the hire car if it has been hired in Germany. (personally I reckon it is BS they have spotters, but you never know ( how the fuck would they know it is a hire car, they dont have stickers on them an y more))

    Dont sit up till midnight the night before on the piss with the bloke that owns the pub you are staying... just dont.

    Check out the F1 track while you are there.

    Dont crash.. just dont... if you do, get them to write the invoice on something that does not mention Nurburg, ring, or race. Then claim it of your travel ins.

    Leave the stop watch at home.

    Spend some time spectating at the spectator point that sells the beer and bratwurst. Epic way to spend an arvo.

    Have a blast
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    Quote Originally Posted by nastysven View Post
    The 1st time I did it in a 318, 2nd time in a 330. 318 was waaaay more fun, and still got to 200 on the last bit.
    What was your best BTG time? Don't tell me you really left the stop watch at home.
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    NFI, I did.

    I read it in sooo many places, and the towies will tell you just about every wreck (bike and car) has a stop watch still running some where.

    We used video of Millsi's video camera to work out my brother did it in 9 mins IIRC in the 330.

    I mean if you go there a few times, and are level headed enough, go for it, but IMO on the 1st time you have enough problems dodging gt2/3 etc that pass you like you are standing still that worrying about time is suicide IMO.

    I reckon if you can get the 1st 6 corners sabine styles in a day, you will have done well.
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    And after having a veeery light stack there, it changed my mind on a few things.
    .... because every driver experiences the destructive potential of the effortless surge of power available through the smallest of body movements.

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    DrNick is king!!!! No, Mark Webber is now! Long live the king!... hold on a minute mate, Ricci is in charge now

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    Regarding the computer game comment earlier. I sort of agree to a point, but I found it invaluable learning the layout. Nothing and I mean nothing can prepare you for the elevation changes. The first time I came down Fox Hole I can remember thinking it looked as if someone had painted the track up a wall in front of me, it was so steep. Admittedly I had been infatuated with the place ever since I first saw "Fasination on The Nurburgring" some 15 years before getting there for the 1st time in 2003. I'm not sure how many incar laps I'd watched or how many virtual laps I'd done on GPL, GTR2, rfactor ect, but it was enough to know the layout like the back of my hand. Obviously there so still shit loads to learn, but I found knowing which way every single corner was about to go was a massive help.
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    x2.

    It helps, but a 8 min lap on a game aint an 8 min lap at the track.
    .... because every driver experiences the destructive potential of the effortless surge of power available through the smallest of body movements.

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    Wow, thanks guys. Appreciate any input. Will be keen to be there for the Old Timer event. I have never heard of it before.
    The castle pic looks awesome, you don't get shit like that here. I have some german heritage, so will be good to check out the country where my grandparents came from on my fathers side. Also going to Italy/croatia as that's my mothers side.

    I would love to do a track day trip one year, should organise a trip. Do Spa, Monza, silver stone, or any track naive enough to let me on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nastysven View Post
    x2.

    It helps, but a 8 min lap on a game aint an 8 min lap at the track.
    This.
    (though I did actually do it)

    I remember one thing the team manager told me just before I went over there for the 2007 24 Hour, "you'll do your first session then come in and try to figure out how to take a couple of minutes off your lap time."

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastysven View Post
    IMO on the 1st time you have enough problems dodging gt2/3 etc that pass you like you are standing still that worrying about time is suicide IMO.
    Absolutely. I have a great video of me trundling along in my BRZ at about 130km/h towards Pflanzgarten thinking I'm king shit because I wasn't crashing.

    Then a 997 GT3RS passes me at about 220km/h....if I hadn't have seen him coming I would have turned in on him and it would have been a double fatality. You really need to have your wits about you.

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    Did 27 (or28 can't remember exactly, would be in the other pf ring thread) laps with rent4ring in their gt86 last time I was there on a full day weekday session in '13, plan on doing at least the same next time... Missed out doing any laps last year when over there for the 24hr, the dates for tracks days just didn't line up unfortunately..
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    Also, am I the only person that hasn't done the Ring?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lightyear View Post
    Also, am I the only person that hasn't done the Ring?
    Probably.

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    Nailed... Nothing can prepare you for the elevation changes at that place.

    Another thing to be mindful of, is the traffic you'll have to overtake. All the bikes will scream till they get to the corners and you'll need to clear them safely. Plus, you "can" get the odd bus and just generally slow family cars.

    Also, becareful on ANY corner you see spectators on, they stand around on the corners where the accidents will happen.

    Remember, it's still considered a public road, so police (who have a station on track) will investigate/take photos/do cop stuff for anything serious (ie. bikers dying).
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyMac View Post
    Remember, it's still considered a public road, so police (who have a station on track) will investigate/take photos/do cop stuff for anything serious (ie. bikers dying).
    Noted: no killing bikers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lightyear View Post
    Wow, thanks guys. Appreciate any input. Will be keen to be there for the Old Timer event. I have never heard of it before.
    The castle pic looks awesome, you don't get shit like that here. I have some german heritage, so will be good to check out the country where my grandparents came from on my fathers side. Also going to Italy/croatia as that's my mothers side.

    I would love to do a track day trip one year, should organise a trip. Do Spa, Monza, silver stone, or any track naive enough to let me on.
    Yes we do get shit here Kryal Castle
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Matt- View Post
    Yes we do get shit here Kryal Castle
    As a Ballarat local, I feel that it's my duty to emphasise the 'shit'.

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    The marshals and recovery crews don't fuck around either. If you break the rules (overtaking on the wrong side, not respecting slow zones when they are working etc) they will radio you in.

    Something else to consider with really pushing on a tourist day is that there is no real limit to what goes out on track, no checks on the quality of what goes out and no promise of the other people out there actually being any good or being observant, it is just like driving on the road in that respect. Keeping this in mind there are a lot of very blind corners and crests, you just do not know what is coming up at you; slow vehicles, crashes, breakdowns, fluid spills etc which is all part of the challenge...don't get yourself in a panicky flap about going out there and certainly go out and enjoy the freedom but you do need to respect it for what it is and is not...it is not a tightly controlled track day or motorsport event.

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    ^no.... it's loose as all fuck and quite refreshing coming from Australia. You spend the first 3 laps in utter disbelief that it is allowed to happen at all.
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    I did a weekend with rsr, first day in Renault r26r second in Exige. They use road tyres and brakes on their cars and you could feel the car go a bit soft after half a lap. I'd go with a mob that uses semi slicks and race pads.

    Had more fun in the Renault. Excess was less stressful and it just under steered if you got a bit keen, So you could really push. Was running mid 8 min btg laps in both cars, almost every lap was interrupted with a busted car or bike.

    Sharing the track with bikers made me uncomfortable. They were rockets on straights but took corners very slow, the Armco isn't far away.. Was about 10s away from witnessing what may have been a fatal crash, bike was in pieces everywhere, guy in the grass. We cleared the Debris and got out of the way, other people had it under control.

    I did a few hundred laps in grand turismo before going and I reckon it was invaluable knowing where you were, Otherwise you can only drive as far as you can see.

    Got passed buy a gumpert Apollo doing fucking warp drive just before aremberg.. Was so excited I nearly forgot about braking!

    I still dream about it. Top of the bucket list for sure until I can find a place that'll let me drive an old f1 car!
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