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    the rest were crazys that just cut you of at over 100km/h closing speed
    its burnt into my mind a motorbike overtaking me on a left hand bend coming from the right across the front of the car hard on the gas with his rear wheel trying its best to buck him off the bike.

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    scary as fuck but what a rush
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    Here's a typical ring taxi lap. With no traffic (usually the ring taxis go out first after an accident or at the start of session). This is a mid 8 minute lap, with no traffic and an expert behind the wheel.

    http://youtu.be/HSqzRGpD4qA

    Fuck she makes it look easy:

    Gt3rs lap with Sabine driving: approx 8:15 btg equivalent with no traffic.

    http://youtu.be/GMoRJi1BgPU

    Anyone near those times in Touristenfahrt I bow to you.

    Here's my favourite of my lap vids, due to the other cars on track, action from about 2mins on:

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    Everytime I see these threads I think how good would it be if Bathurst did something similar. The council might even make some cash if they can convince car manufacturers to test there.
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    Doesn't stop them running the Bathurst 1000 does it?
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    ive got a ton of parts to make a very quick jza80 supra
    - i made enquiries last year to the VLN commitee as the supra does not appear on their allowable models list

    i was actually surprised at their level of response, and took my request to one of the VLN technical commission or whatever, received this in response:

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    sorry that the answer is delayed, but we have discussed within the technical commission about your car. People are mentioned above.
    Mr. Malberg checked the figures in our G-Liste. Within this list all cars have to be listed to start in VLN Productioncars.

    We saw that the lowest weight for your car is 1690 kg without
    safety equipment. This weihgt is much to heavy for the Nürburgring, i.e. 24h allows cars upto 1400 kg, otherweight only with special allowance, we have limited to 1550 kg.
    You can't ride safely because of brakedistance and ridebility. please think also on other cars around you.

    Therefor we can't allow your car into the VLN Productioncars. Sorry

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    Since when is a jza80 1690kg?

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    Yeah, I wasn't going to get into it, as it would turn into an argument of my paperwork vs your paperwork. There was very limited LHD domestic jza80 import in Germany, and that's the data that TÜV will have on it. And TÜV is_never_wrong. /italics.
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    I figure this is probably best to ask here before i go emailing every rental car company sounding like a tard

    -Do the guys from these rental mobs speak english well? Well enough to comunicate any issues, car problems and requests?

    -I'm going to spa for the GP and i was hoping for a track day a week either side but it isn't looking good on the ring website although ill be around the area for a good 4 weeks either side, do more track days tend to get added throughout the year? All the days within august/September are listed as closed for tourist drives, is that normal untill getting closer to the date? It's not overly dear to fly back on a budget airline and hire a car to get there but it is an inconvenience.

    -I'm planning to do one or two tourist drive afternoons with as many laps as i can squeeze in before doing a full track day. The track days that seem to be held by some car clubs, can you contact a company like rent4ring or RSR and they will organise the car and track day booking so that you just turn up, hand over the cash, sign your life away and head to the track?

    -Any recommendations on travel issuers who will cover the excess or a good portion if you bin a car.

    -If anyone wants to join me over there around that time, isn't a creeper and likes to sink quality piss at night. Send me a message. I'll probably be by myself and endeavor to leave my missus with her grandparents in eindhoven to avoid any potential "this is getting boring after 3 days can we go shopping now" resulting in us ending up on a beach somewhere while she reads a book and i'm bored shitless.

    *i will not be driving anything FWD

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    I know that rent race car do things that tie into track days.

    every one of them that I spoke to spoke perfect english.

    cant help with the rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimi View Post
    *i will not be driving anything FWD
    That sounds cool in Australia and America- the land of straight line HP- but don't rule it out. There is a reason the EU and UK love hot hatches and small motors so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimi View Post
    I figure this is probably best to ask here before i go emailing every rental car company sounding like a tard

    -Do the guys from these rental mobs speak english well? Well enough to comunicate any issues, car problems and requests?

    -I'm going to spa for the GP and i was hoping for a track day a week either side but it isn't looking good on the ring website although ill be around the area for a good 4 weeks either side, do more track days tend to get added throughout the year? All the days within august/September are listed as closed for tourist drives, is that normal untill getting closer to the date? It's not overly dear to fly back on a budget airline and hire a car to get there but it is an inconvenience.

    -I'm planning to do one or two tourist drive afternoons with as many laps as i can squeeze in before doing a full track day. The track days that seem to be held by some car clubs, can you contact a company like rent4ring or RSR and they will organise the car and track day booking so that you just turn up, hand over the cash, sign your life away and head to the track?

    -Any recommendations on travel issuers who will cover the excess or a good portion if you bin a car.

    -If anyone wants to join me over there around that time, isn't a creeper and likes to sink quality piss at night. Send me a message. I'll probably be by myself and endeavor to leave my missus with her grandparents in eindhoven to avoid any potential "this is getting boring after 3 days can we go shopping now" resulting in us ending up on a beach somewhere while she reads a book and i'm bored shitless.

    *i will not be driving anything FWD
    I dealt with RSR. Perfect English. In fact most of the staff seemed to be Pom, Aussie or Kiwi. They also do Spa drive days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lukevl View Post
    That sounds cool in Australia and America- the land of straight line HP- but don't rule it out. There is a reason the EU and UK love hot hatches and small motors so much.
    I'd be content with a hertz spec BMW 120D if that gives you any indication.
    I hate the characteristics a of fwd anything when being pushed... not what i am used to.

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    Dale Lomas at Rent4Ring is English and the other front of house staff spoke perfect English to as did a few of the mechanics I got chatting to.

    Don't rule out having a FWD car, you ain't going to be a taily drift king your first time out.

    I would also be looking at Spa trackdays while you are in the area!

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    Everyone in Germany speaks perfect English, I wouldnt worry about that.

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    There are 125is and GT86s for rent if you don't like the idea of FWD. That said, the R26R and other Renault FWD hatches are great to drive.
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    I read the fine print of my travel insurance and it covered rental car excess (with an excess of the insurers own ($500 or similar)). Reading through the rental agreement from Need4Ring it was like a normal car rental one except with giant excesses and my interpretation of the travel insurance PDS was so long as you did not break any of the car rental agreement T's & C's they would cover you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bermo View Post
    I read the fine print of my travel insurance and it covered rental car excess (with an excess of the insurers own ($500 or similar)). Reading through the rental agreement from Need4Ring it was like a normal car rental one except with giant excesses and my interpretation of the travel insurance PDS was so long as you did not break any of the car rental agreement T's & C's they would cover you.
    i cant see that going down well when you fuck up a 911 with a $50k Excess and you hand the invoice to the insurance company.
    followed buy did you read the fine print?




    spoke to a not so close mate this arvo who has done a few trips there, he recomended hiring a sports car from somewhere else other than Germany, driving it to the track installing one of these

    He reckons the whole "we have spies at the track" thing is bullshit, all the rental mobs fit their cars out with GPS tracking and if you blip on on the ring the hammer you

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    I had TID confirm they would provide cover when I went over in '13.

    I said this:
    Hi there,

    I am renting a car from a company called Rent4Ring in Germany. They are a fully licensed/accredited car hire company & an agreement is signed before hiring any vehicle (as per your PDS). Their cars are fully road registered, insured & road legal.

    They specialise in vehicle hire for the Nurburgring, which is an historic race track in Germany. The circuit is open to the public, and remains a public road (to be specific, it is classified as a one-way toll road). Normal German road rules apply (i.e. pass on the correct side, speed limits apply at times, etc - and you can be fined for breaking road rules). During public sessions, it is certainly not a closed race track where you are allowed to race other cars or against the clock. It's an historic site & public access allows drivers/tourists a chance to drive the circuit themselves at a speed they are comfortable with.

    I would like to confirm in writing that my rental vehicle is covered by TID's policy - are you able to please advise? Given it is a public road it is technically no different to any other road, however I would just like some clarity before my trip.

    Some more info:
    Rent4Ring: http://rent4ring.de/en/
    Nurburgring: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BC..._public_access


    They said this:
    I have received a response from our underwriter in regards to your enquiry please see the below:

    There is no cover for this activity based on our terms and conditions of the policy, including but not limited to the following:

    Rental vehicle means only a rented sedan, campervan, hatchback or station wagon, four-wheel drive or minibus/people mover rented from a licensed motor vehicle rental company.

    Exclusions to Sections 1-23
    We will not pay a claim that arises because:
    15. You operate a rental vehicle in violation of the rental agreement.

    Exclusions to Section 25 – Personal Liability
    We will not pay for liability:
    4. Arising out of your ownership, possession or use (including as a passenger) of a mechanically propelled vehicle or any aircraft or watercraft;

    General Exclusions:
    We will not pay if you:
    18.e. race (except on foot); or take part in any professional sporting activity. The racing exclusion applies whether racing against another or racing against oneself, including but not limited to racing against a clock/stopwatch.

    If you have any questions please do not hesitate to ask.

    I said this:
    Hi Darren, thanks for the reply.

    I note the general exclusion below:
    *We will not pay if you:
    18.e. race (except on foot); or take part in any professional sporting
    activity. The racing exclusion applies whether racing against another or
    racing against oneself, including but not limited to racing against a
    clock/stopwatch.*

    The activity I'm partaking in is not a professional sporting activity or a
    race (racing of other cars is banned, and it is untimed). It is simply
    driving around a race track under normal German road rules.

    By that definition I would argue that it should be covered - can you please
    clarify?

    They said this:
    Thanks for getting back to me.

    I sent your email to our underwriter who responded with the below:

    We can cover this activity, but if an event occurs causing damage to the rental vehicle, injury to the insured or injury/damage to third parties and/or their property, all standard policy terms and conditions will apply, including those exclusions mentioned in the previous email.

    For example, if the hire vehicle does not fit our definition of “rental vehicle”, there will be no cover under the rental vehicle benefit sections.

    There is always a blanket exclusion for liability to third parties (if they are injured/their property is damaged) when our insured owns/operates/is in possession of any motorized vehicle.

    We do ask you to read the PDS (attached) to determine that our cover is right for you.

    I hope the information from our underwriter clarifies your enquiry, if you have any other questions please let me know.

    Definition of a rental vehicle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bermo View Post
    I read the fine print of my travel insurance and it covered rental car excess (with an excess of the insurers own ($500 or similar)). Reading through the rental agreement from Need4Ring it was like a normal car rental one except with giant excesses and my interpretation of the travel insurance PDS was so long as you did not break any of the car rental agreement T's & C's they would cover you.
    ours did.
    was only 3 or 400 eauro though.

    HTK car rental FTW

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    Thanks for that trem!
    although it seems kind of grey area, eg. you go to court and they argue on the basis that insurance claims a car fitted with a cage and bucket seats isn't rental sedan but a purpose built Motorsports vehicle.

    Yet i could hire an M3 from Stuttgart for ~400 euro per day, drive to a tyre shop, put on a a set of fresh tyres. spend a 3-4 days at the ring, go past the tyre shop on the way home to put the stockies back on, get the tyre shop to give me a bit of cash to keep the tyres as 2nd handies and still be miles in front on $$$. AND if i smash the car up on a tourist drive i'm fully covered for the armco and the car and only out of pocket the Sub $2k excess.

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    Would love to hear of anyone actually having made a claim on the travel insurance. In my mind it may help, but I wouldn't drive like an idiot and count on getting paid.

    The thing people aren't really considering is that the accident may not be your fault. There are complete nutcases out there with zero talent (mainly Russians from what I can see).
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    ^This, I went there feeling comfortable that my insurance would cover me but I still had that nervous feeling of binning it or hitting some unobtainium car so still only drove 9/10ths
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bermo View Post
    ^This, I went there feeling comfortable that my insurance would cover me but I still had that nervous feeling of binning it or hitting some unobtainium car so still only drove 9/10ths
    ^ This. Knew my lap times stories back in Australia were going to get better with time, so didn't feel the need to set that good a time to start with
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    Quote Originally Posted by itsnotagsr View Post
    ^ This. Knew my lap times stories back in Australia were going to get better with time, so didn't feel the need to set that good a time to start with
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    FYI, M3 with flappy paddles, 395 euro a day with maximum insurance available and lowest excess. Just received their rentals T&C's and cant find anything mention not using it on the ring but will read again to 100% confirm
    https://europeluxurycarhire.com/sport-car-rental

    Option A Pick up M3 in Frankfurt Monday, drive to netherlands, drop of missus, drive to nurburg for the week, fit some kuhmo semis at the shop near the track, + fuel est 50laps if its a good week
    Total = ~4000-4500eur. reasonable insurance excess

    Option B, Pick up shitbox rental from frankfurt 500euro for the week, drive to NED drop off missus, drive to nurburg for the week, est 50 laps in BMW 125i from R4R = 4949eur + 500eur for hire car + 100eur for fuel
    Total = 5549eur + 8000 euro excess

    Still need to get in writing from travel insurance like trem did.

    Cue 30 responses saying you dont need it, you will crash, you will die.

    What could possibly go wrong

    What am i missing here, better car for less money and smaller insurance excess?

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    Dimi - I personally wouldn't bother with the M3. 4000 Euro for about 10 laps? Thats if the tracks not closed for longer due to accidents or it doesn't rain?

    Its not like going to Eastern Creek and doing 100 laps in a day.

    In my experience, I did a lap (say 10min), then chilled in the car park for 30 odd min looking at cars, taking a piss, etc. Then went out again. I was lucky to do 6 laps in between about 11-4pm. The track was closed for long stretches (up to an hour) due to accidents.

    If you wanted to do heaps of laps, I'd look at a dedicated Spa trackday. Great track and much better opportunity to bash out heaps of laps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by itsnotagsr View Post
    Dimi - I personally wouldn't bother with the M3. 4000 Euro for about 10 laps? Thats if the tracks not closed for longer due to accidents or it doesn't rain?

    Its not like going to Eastern Creek and doing 100 laps in a day.

    In my experience, I did a lap (say 10min), then chilled in the car park for 30 odd min looking at cars, taking a piss, etc. Then went out again. I was lucky to do 6 laps in between about 11-4pm. The track was closed for long stretches (up to an hour) due to accidents.
    I'm estimating 4-5 days at the track one of them being a track day, so 50 laps for the week is probably a reasonable?

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