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    Light dry cell battery recommendations

    My 3 year old PC680 has pretty much died.
    Left to go dead at too many workshops and it's struggling to cope with the multiple thermo fan, fuel pump voltage requirements of my heavy, turbo taxi shitbox.

    Constantly run on C-tek trickle chargers but don't have AC at most Hillclimb events I attend, and it dies by PM.
    Alternator is new.

    So what are the recommendation for a high quality battery similar to the PC680?

    Lithium is the current hotness but how much, seriously?

    Other dry cell recommendations or another fresh new 680?
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    Fullriver HC20?

    Suspiciously identical to the PC680, about half the price.

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    Fullriver HC20 if you want a straight replacement for about half the price. If you want to go lithium, we've been using SSB powersport stuff for about 18 months and it has been brilliant. LH12B-4 is tiny, a bit over 1kg in weight and puts out 400cca. Should be able to find it for under $300. If you don't need so much grunt, they do a couple of different sized 220cca (like the PC680) lithium batteries for under $200. Weigh less than 1kg too and don't need a fancy charger with lots of current to keep them charged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madhatr View Post
    Fullriver HC20 if you want a straight replacement for about half the price. If you want to go lithium, we've been using SSB powersport stuff for about 18 months and it has been brilliant. LH12B-4 is tiny, a bit over 1kg in weight and puts out 400cca. Should be able to find it for under $300. If you don't need so much grunt, they do a couple of different sized 220cca (like the PC680) lithium batteries for under $200. Weigh less than 1kg too and don't need a fancy charger with lots of current to keep them charged.
    Very interested in this LH12B-4.

    I priced these Lithium batteries at World Time Attack last year at SMP and they were much more expensive.
    Have they come down in price quite a bit then?

    Will this work with the Falcon?

    http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/311397579...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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    Can these still be placed in the same location as the lead acid batteries and can they still function with some under bonnet heat?

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    In the last month or so I've put new SSB Powersport lithium batteries in both the car and bike. No issues with either. Took the bike on a 3,000km outback trip and it worked like a charm.

    The 8 year old Odyssey in the car was only holding charge for a day or two so it lasted we but was heavy. The car sat in the garage for over a week between fitting the new battery and taking the car for a drive. Started straight away and has been working great. I had to fabricate a new clamp as the SSB was so much smaller than the Odyssey but other than that it is happy in the original location.

    For the car I went with the 450CCA LFP51913 which is probably overkill.
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    Spoke to some Lithium Battery gurus.

    Only one they can guarantee for a race car due to high alternator current are these ones.

    http://www.ssbpowersport.com.au/tabi...3/default.aspx

    $2k.
    Ouch.

    http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/RACE-CAR-...item417b5e7a69

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    i too am using a fullriver, although a smaller unit than the HC20 iirc. hasn't let me down in 5 years and i've run it flat a few times too. really surprised, thought it would be a lot shittier

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    I run a 550cca Lithiumax battery, $450.. alloy mounting bracket was $70 from them, although we modified it slightly

    I run my standard alternator, its less than 2kg and its smaller than a 330cca lead acid..

    You do have to run a trickle charger on it if you arent dailying it.. but if you flatten it to 2v like i did, who gives a fuck it'll be fully charged in a couple hours with no damage to the battery.. i use a Ctek lithium charger worth ~$120

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    Give me a call when I get back at the end of the week Paul.
    Or try
    www.motorsportbatteries.com.au
    He's local to you and does great deals on the best ones.
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    I've always been paranoid about using the SSB Powersport batteries, as it clearly states on their website " Please note that these are motorcycle batteries and they are not designed for use in cars or to replace much larger lead-acid batteries."

    I was looking at using the 400CCA Lithiumax one in my 86.
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    I am using SSB Powersport Pro L-HVT-6 in my V8 race car. Yeah overkill, 1000 CCA, but
    it was all they had in stock at the time I needed it so they gave me this in place of an 800CCA
    one. Starts an LS even when starter motor is hot etc, which is a common fail point
    with LS starters. These are their motorsport/race boat series of batteries, was about
    $700 odd at the time, two years ago. Now done two seasons strapped to the floor in the
    back of the car. Also have something smaller, can't remember which one, in an FJR1300,
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    Quote Originally Posted by nelsonian101 View Post
    Very interested in this LH12B-4.

    I priced these Lithium batteries at World Time Attack last year at SMP and they were much more expensive.
    Have they come down in price quite a bit then?

    Will this work with the Falcon?

    http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/311397579...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
    Yes, with a caveat. Engines don't take anywhere near as much current to start as people might think, especially when the starter cables are almost always rated for less peak current draw than your battery can put out. But for those days when it's freezing cold or 40 degrees outside, when your battery is a little older and the capacity has dropped off a bit, a little extra capacity is going to be a good thing to have. So id probably be looking for something in the 350-400 cca range if this is your driver.

    I've personally had a couple HVT-4 dry cells which have done nearly 3 years use in cars. No problems with charging from alternator. I haven't even put it on charge periodically to make sure it's fully topped up, they seem to be still working fine.

    The warning about the batteries seems to refer more to the noted difference in size. I have no doubt that they have had problems with people buying obviously physically smaller batteries and finding they don't fit their vehicle without modification, then causing issue. Especially since they used to sell on ebay quite a bit. You'd have to speak tot he manufacturer to see if it covers their entire range, but their product spiel for the lithium batteries says they are fine for use on 12v car charging systems and alternators. We use a couple of different lithium ones in carts at work because the fucktards were killing lead acid ones.
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    I have had used 10 or more SSB batteries in race cars with zero failures
    Best value lithium I have found ... I use the 700cca one
    About $350

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    Quote Originally Posted by yohoes View Post
    I run a 550cca Lithiumax battery, $450.. alloy mounting bracket was $70 from them, although we modified it slightly

    I run my standard alternator, its less than 2kg and its smaller than a 330cca lead acid..

    You do have to run a trickle charger on it if you arent dailying it.. but if you flatten it to 2v like i did, who gives a fuck it'll be fully charged in a couple hours with no damage to the battery.. i use a Ctek lithium charger worth ~$120

    I've got one of those brackets in anyone wants it.

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    Full river HC20 on sale at the moment. $129 at batteries direct. Just picked one up as a spare for the ke70

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    Sounds like a damn good idea!

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    Fullriver HC20 still worthwhile to replace a borked Odyssey ES-12V650 / PC680?

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    Is really worth the trade offs in such a heavy car?

    What is the max weight saving you could hope for?

    (As you know I have a coon too)

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    I got a HC35 in the 300zx. Seems to be holding up well. It was 215 delivered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shonky. View Post
    Is really worth the trade offs in such a heavy car?

    What is the max weight saving you could hope for?

    (As you know I have a coon too)
    For a track only car, the SSBPowersport lithium batteries in a similar CCA are 1.7kg, vs 7kg for an AGM battery.

    Really can't justify over double the cost for the lithium battery for 5.3kg saving over the AGM Fullriver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yohoes View Post
    I run a 550cca Lithiumax battery, $450.. alloy mounting bracket was $70 from them, although we modified it slightly

    I run my standard alternator, its less than 2kg and its smaller than a 330cca lead acid..

    You do have to run a trickle charger on it if you arent dailying it.. but if you flatten it to 2v like i did, who gives a fuck it'll be fully charged in a couple hours with no damage to the battery.. i use a Ctek lithium charger worth ~$120

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    Those lithiumax ones look pretty decent. They don't need anything special regarding an alternator?

    My current battery in the Mini weighs 15kg, 13kg weight loss in a 730kg car makes it worthwhile...

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    That is epic - to ditch nearly 2% of weight so (relatively) easily

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    Another Odyssey PC680 died.
    The quality on these things has gone south.
    Finally tried a Fullriver and very impressed so far (3mths) at $129.
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    Which model Full River for the Falcoon, my race car needs a new battery and have been recommended Full River.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamRSLC View Post
    Which model Full River for the Falcoon, my race car needs a new battery and have been recommended Full River.

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    I bought a second hand tested a 32ah or 42ah Odyssey as used on superv8 cars only for one race
    as they usually suffer from vibration and supposedly replace them every race
    that was 2004 and still perfect yesterday cranking over a 390 stroker capri (dads starts it up once a week)

    I bought it at battery stop in Campbellfield and they often get similar sized performance batts
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    Quote Originally Posted by adamRSLC View Post
    Which model Full River for the Falcoon, my race car needs a new battery and have been recommended Full River.

    Adam
    Think the one I got was a HC20. Much lighter than stock battery but only use if trying to save some weight for a track car. Each weight saving helps. For street use, I'd be using something bigger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by datso View Post
    I bought a second hand tested a 32ah or 42ah Odyssey as used on superv8 cars only for one race
    as they usually suffer from vibration and supposedly replace them every race
    that was 2004 and still perfect yesterday cranking over a 390 stroker capri (dads starts it up once a week)

    I bought it at battery stop in Campbellfield and they often get similar sized performance batts

    First PC680 I bought still works from 2009. Been flat a few times (which usually kills them) BUT still olds charge when trickle charged, but not perfect.
    Bought another Odyssey PC680 in 2014. It died after 12 months. Can't be trickle charged to 80%.
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