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    Wakefield Park Changes

    Just got this in my inbox.....

    To all our valued customers and competitors,

    Please be advised that Wakefield Park’s policy for Speed off the Streets days will be changing effective 1 January, 2016.

    Speed off the Streets days will be restricted to road-registered cars only; race cars will no longer be permitted to participate. All Speed off the Streets participants will be required to comply with a noise limit of 85dB measured at 30 metres flying past, which will be constantly monitored and strictly enforced.

    Wakefield Park is also pleased to announce the introduction of Race Car Test and Tune days. These will be open to all race cars, including tin-tops, open-wheelers, Superkarts, historic cars and other log-booked race cars. Race Car Test and Tune days will operate at a noise limit of 90dB measured at 30 metres flying past, which will again be strictly enforced.

    This change to our policy has been driven by a number of factors, including implementation of a responsible corporate position in working with both council and our neighbours to adopt an achievable way forward.
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    So once again the minority groups make the rules. Fuck this is a piss weak country.
    You know the rest of the western world laugh at us about being the most over the top
    politicly correct over regulated joke of a nation.

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    Where's the problem ?

    Speed off the streets is for, well, getting speed off the streets (ie road registered cars)

    Separate days for race cars.

    So long as there ends up being a roughly equal amount of days available for each type of vehicle as there has been in the past, what's the drama ? Perhaps being a bit proactive before council / locals force their hand isn't such a bad thing ?
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    Ok so if your street car can't even adhere to this what do you do?

    Race Car Test and Tune days will operate at a noise limit of 90dB measured at 30 metres flying past, which will again be strictly enforced.
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    Why invent their own noise limits instead of using those prescribed by the NSW EPA ?

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    Why are the noise limits different? Are race cars more aurally pleasant to the neighbours?

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    Many sprint meetings in Victoria run to 75dB at 30m and have for many years, especially at Sandown. I would think any legal street car (even an older one that can run to 96dB stationary test) should pass the 85dB easily. The 90dB for race cars is a bit harsh as that is quieter than race meetings in Vic (95dB I think). I don't really see a major issue with the noise limits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbosurfer View Post
    So once again the minority groups make the rules. Fuck this is a piss weak country.
    You know the rest of the western world laugh at us about being the most over the top
    politicly correct over regulated joke of a nation.
    So why don't you go to one more to your liking?

    I think this is coincidental with the other things going on at Wakefield, namely change in management/head in sand 'this is the way it is going to be, I don't care if your category has supported us for years , this is how it is now'. Sounds like an effort to appease local residents (sheep?) and council.

    But sadly looks like Wakefield sucks now Ronke has left. They have only just released their calendar for 2016 to category managers apparently....how do you organise a series based on that approach? Never mind that the categories drum up business for Wakefield, actual paying customers....remember those.....?

    Anyway rant over, as you were......
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    Well, the 90db thing is a problem for race cars as CAMS stipulates 95db unless the specific meeting stipulates a lower limit. So who is going to modify their race car just to run at Wakefield - not fucking me. Then, the speed of the street days used to be so sparsely supported that it was a great chance to get good miles testing a race car. On numerous occasions I have had the whole track to myself which was pretty awesome - that will be a loss for sure. So with splitting the road cars and the race cars there are 50% less opportunities to run a race car on a track outside of a meeting.

    The whole reason Wakefield was stuck out in the middle of bum fuck nowhere was so that noise would not be an issue. It's a cunt of a place with respect to travel times for most of us just seeking some track time. it stupid hot in summer and stupid cold in winter. The track itself needs some love. The worse thing is, that with only SMP as an alternative and track days are pretty thin out there, racers with small pockets have less opportunity to go play. This leads to the further degradation of motor sport and the associated industries. Is amateur motorsport being pushed away from dedicated race cars and more to only road registered cars on track....? What's next, hybrid only track days....fuck me, I don't won't to live in that world.
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    The street car/race car split is a bit confusing. I wonder how it will affect circuit club and track school trackdays where there is a mix of race and road cars? The local noise complainers don't know the difference between the 2. Either that or their calendar is specifically structured to only allow race cars on specific days.

    Ahh well, looks like I'll be going to a few more Friday practice days at SMP. At least until they shut it down too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CT View Post
    Well, the 90db thing is a problem for race cars as CAMS stipulates 95db unless the specific meeting stipulates a lower limit. So who is going to modify their race car just to run at Wakefield - not fucking me. Then, the speed of the street days used to be so sparsely supported that it was a great chance to get good miles testing a race car. On numerous occasions I have had the whole track to myself which was pretty awesome - that will be a loss for sure. So with splitting the road cars and the race cars there are 50% less opportunities to run a race car on a track outside of a meeting.

    The whole reason Wakefield was stuck out in the middle of bum fuck nowhere was so that noise would not be an issue. It's a cunt of a place with respect to travel times for most of us just seeking some track time. it stupid hot in summer and stupid cold in winter. The track itself needs some love. The worse thing is, that with only SMP as an alternative and track days are pretty thin out there, racers with small pockets have less opportunity to go play. This leads to the further degradation of motor sport and the associated industries. Is amateur motorsport being pushed away from dedicated race cars and more to only road registered cars on track....? What's next, hybrid only track days....fuck me, I don't won't to live in that world.

    It's just one of many decisions being made that are adverse to racers and race teams - who are now treated as pests rather than customers.

    Wait til you actually race there again Chris. You will not believe the stuff. Even photographers are being policed at a stupid level. And pit lane is Policed not just by officials with the normal whistles but guys running up and down pit lane SCREAMING at teams to get in their garages and close the doors when a race is red flagged. Unbelievable stuff. And don't dare enter your garage after 6pm even when the gates are open. Serious. I could go on and on.

    Mick Ronke with his vision for grass roots must be turning in his grave.

    And it's not just buget teams either. One top level GT team owner told me they look like cancelling their track days there because one attraction for them was the low cost and low key fun aspect of the venue which they found refreshing.

    They look like just hiring SMSP in 2016 maybe with another team or two.

    I know numerous other track day operators who will not operate there now and are activatively working with other future venues and one other operator who has just had his regular 3 day booking doubled in price and will cancel. Both become unviable unless they can have race cars and street cars.

    Sad really.

    No idea what the agenda is. Below EPA sound levels for street cars is just stupid if it is actually enforced.

    Not sure I believe the rumour it will be downgraded to a historic only venue once they rid themselves of all those pesky racers and street cars.

    But I am inclined t believe the rumour that the Sheep Station is the source of the complaints even though most of his bookings come from race teams. He really is an idiot and gets in alcohol fuelled rages regularly and behaves quite irrationally. They really might be trying to appease him.

    But I hope it gets sorted. They really need to consult before these crazy decisions are made before they do any more damage.
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    The SMSP board are rubbing their fingers together.
    Who would have ever thought SMSP would be making their venue more accessible, and WP would be making their less so?!

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    i went to marulan on the weekend and was surprised both at how cheap it was and how friendly the staff at the track were. they have pretty strict sound limits and the track is way too small for any serious racing, good for people who just wanna take their regular car for a cheap fang though. and open on weekends....

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    It would be good to get the word from Bozman on this. His whole business is no doubt affected. Given the situation he will probably have to play the politician until the dust settles tho.

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    I reckon the FD will be fine...not sure about the Hako being under 85dB tho, even measured from the control tower, or wherever they have the mic
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    A well structured letter / petition combo might just open their eyes to the pitfalls of enforcing these silly changes. It could be advertised on all the car forums that are likely to have members that use WP as a facility. If the parties involved saw what potential financial damage they're about to suffer they might have a rethink. Don't forget that the local businesses will also suffer. I reckon that they would definitely pay attention to a well worded document.

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    Wakefield Park Changes

    What a joke

    I really don't know what else to say.

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    What a shame.

    It's a bloody good track to drive on. A nice mixture of things, and for me, it's only half an hour from home.

    A mate's son was building a track car for drifting and anything else he can enter it in. Since all this bullshit started trickling out of the place, the project has pretty much stalled.
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    In short, some cunt at test and tune had a 250cc honda turning to 11ty and it sounded porn. Do that.

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    So with all the noise regulations at Wakefield Park now, I can't help but chuckle at the fact that Winton Raceway is literally across the road from a school. How the hell do they manage??

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    My nieces and nephew went to that school, everyone there embraced the track.

    On Fridays when the v8s were in town they'd spend the afternoon at the track. Plenty of drivers also donated some time to go there for a chat and signing session too.

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    Of course they embrace the track - why else would anyone ever go to Winton? It would have to be the main source of tourist income for Benalla surely? And apart from the school it's near nothing really.

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    True, but that doesn't stop some people complaining anyway.

    Benalla also has a lot of gliding / sky diving but the track would be a pretty crucial part of their economy.

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    meanwhile im just sat here waiting for calder to be rebuilt.......

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    Most of you cunts will scoff… but apparently Goulburn council cancelled Wakefields one burnout event of the year because "it encourages hooning"

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    I wonder what the actual story is?

    Not saying you're full of shit, but surely there's more to it.
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    In short, some cunt at test and tune had a 250cc honda turning to 11ty and it sounded porn. Do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motherfucker Jones View Post
    Most of you cunts will scoff… but apparently Goulburn council cancelled Wakefields one burnout event of the year because "it encourages hooning"

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    i won't scoff, that's fucking stupid. goddam nanny state cunts

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    Wakefield park is changing, but management are certainly happy to spend some money on Winton now.

    Edit: government are paying. Management happy to accept free money.

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    I was told a few weeks ago both tracks having full resurface, so I would expect another announcement soon
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    wakefield needs more than a resurface lol. the sections just off the track are fucking woeful and have led to many a damaged/flipped car. they should focus on the stuff off the tarmac too

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