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    Road/track car: Golf 7 R vs M135i. I need a schoolin'

    Watched all the youtube reviews, tests.

    I'm looking at buying one of these 2 cars and will be modding the shit out of it over the next 5 years, while still keeping it drivable as a daily.

    Love the M135i. Looks like a lot more fun on circuit (than the Golf) and I'm used to a rwd ZF Turbo 6 with lots of grunt and 350kg less can only be a good thing

    They seem to have ironed the electrical bugs out of them in production racing (coupe version) but how well do they cope with heat? Any tuner recommendations?
    Can 245 front and 265 rears be squeezed on under the guards with wider track rims?

    An after market LSD and this thing looks like bargain of the century. The looks are growing on me and I may even turn it into one of these eventually.

    The Golf Mk 7 R also looks good and running E85 could be a weapon once I hand my credit card over to APR. 235 tyres the max though?
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    I've got nothing to add but the m135i is on my short list for next year when my lease is up.

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    For fun I think the RWD platform of the beemer will always win out over AWD golf. Nopics has that golf and it's a great daily but a bit dull. More fasts would make it..... More fast..... But still dull.

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    Strange thing is I thought these looked ugly as fuck in 2012, but the subtle changes are growing on me.
    Still, not the reason I am considering this car. Light weight RWD beemer. Always wanted a new one but always too expensive.
    (Damn, that's a 125 rear, but you get the picture....)
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    Why not a M235i?
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    Quote Originally Posted by redgsr View Post
    Why not a M235i?
    Need 4 doors to fit my short ass children in while they are still short asses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tremolo View Post
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    ^ That makes me ask what sort of track use you intend for it?

    Does M135i in auto form have that 8spd ZF that's brilliant? That'd be a plus for the BMW if so, if it's their dual-clutch automated manual, I believe a Mk7's DSG is prolly better.
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    [QUOTE=Forg;842571522]^ That makes me ask what sort of track use you intend for it?


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    I had a modded Mk 6 R that I just sold to get into an M135i. I can't think of any way in which is the Golf is better, except maybe looks. If the M135i had an LSD it'd be almost perfect.

    I don't track the car, just drive to and from work and try to give it a hit as often as possible. I'm not sure either car is the best choice for a track car.

    Tune wise everyone just puts a JB4 piggy back on them. JB4, downpipe and E85 and it's going to be in the high 3xx rwhp range for $1,500 outlay. LSD is expensive though as something is welded in - looking at about $5k.
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    Road/track car: Golf 7 R vs M135i. I need a schoolin'

    I hired an bog standard M135i through RSR for a track day at Nurburgring. I was so impressed I ordered one in January. It's on the boat from Germany as we speak. Should be ready to pickup first week of April.

    babybmw.net is a great reference site. 1addicts.com also has some helpful info. JB4 is apparently the hotness regarding tune. Quaife LSDs are the recommended skid solution according to the internets.

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    Rumour has it there's an M140i in the wings. No idea on when. 20 odd horsepower increase apparently.
    Pics of M135i in Estoril Blue. Facelifted model looks much better than previous version IMHO.

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    Surprising how long these took to catch on. When I bought mine in 2012 I thought they were a ridiculous bargain and expected the price would be revised upwards. Instead the price dropped by around 10%, auto became a no cost option and >10% discounts are pretty normal.

    Would have bought another late last year but Golf Rs new were just below 50k and I settled for that.


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    peak hr needs an auto?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddy View Post
    peak hr needs an auto?
    Fuck yeah, peak hour needs a fucking auto.
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    [QUOTE=Forg;842571522]^ That makes me ask what sort of track use you intend for it?

    Good question. Nothing serious on track. Maybe 4-5 track days a year. Club level Hillclimbs. 2019 Clubsprint Time Attack!
    ZF should need additional cooling and tune to be effective.
    I have no experience with BMW's but have always wanted one for their German engineering and build quality.
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    The gearbox is really good stock. It acts more like a dual clutch type setup rather than a traditional automatic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nelsonian101 View Post
    Need 4 doors to fit my short ass children in while they are still short asses.
    Fair call. I loved my Golf R32. Went like stink but also really practical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nelsonian101 View Post
    Need an auto because lots of peak hour Sydney driving.
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    Back to the Golf R. I took one for a test drive and was very impressed with the steering and chassis on change of direction. VERY impressed. Low down part throttle response was also something I wasn't expecting. Gave it a boot full from 70-110kmh on the freeway and it felt slow, but then everything would compared to the over powered shitbox I currently drive.

    The 6.5" screen was very small. 6.5" I think....
    Iphone connectivity on screen was a bonus though.
    But Bigger screen likely anytime soon?

    These Golf R's always seem not to lap that fast on circuit but I'm confident understeer, power and DSG bugs can all be improved with careful mods and wallet lightening.
    Would love to squeeze a 265 up front once power is upped, but doubt possible.

    Yet to test drive M135i.
    I'll turn up to a dealer in my 300,000km Falcon and be prepared for the worst.
    Anyone recommend any dealers who aren't absolute cockheads in Sydney?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nelsonian101 View Post
    Back to the Golf R. I took one for a test drive and was very impressed with the steering and chassis on change of direction. VERY impressed. Low down part throttle response was also something I wasn't expecting. Gave it a boot full from 70-110kmh on the freeway and it felt slow, but then everything would compared to the over powered shitbox I currently drive.

    The 6.5" screen was very small. 6.5" I think....
    Iphone connectivity on screen was a bonus though.
    But Bigger screen likely anytime soon?

    These Golf R's always seem not to lap that fast on circuit but I'm confident understeer, power and DSG bugs can all be improved with careful mods and wallet lightening.
    Would love to squeeze a 265 up front once power is upped, but doubt possible.

    Yet to test drive M135i.
    I'll turn up to a dealer in my 300,000km Falcon and be prepared for the worst.
    Anyone recommend any dealers who aren't absolute cockheads in Sydney?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nelsonian101 View Post
    Back to the Golf R. I took one for a test drive and was very impressed with the steering and chassis on change of direction. VERY impressed. Low down part throttle response was also something I wasn't expecting. Gave it a boot full from 70-110kmh on the freeway and it felt slow, but then everything would compared to the over powered shitbox I currently drive.

    The 6.5" screen was very small. 6.5" I think....
    Iphone connectivity on screen was a bonus though.
    But Bigger screen likely anytime soon?

    These Golf R's always seem not to lap that fast on circuit but I'm confident understeer, power and DSG bugs can all be improved with careful mods and wallet lightening.
    Would love to squeeze a 265 up front once power is upped, but doubt possible.

    Yet to test drive M135i.
    I'll turn up to a dealer in my 300,000km Falcon and be prepared for the worst.
    Anyone recommend any dealers who aren't absolute cockheads in Sydney?
    You can get wider front guards for them, to run bigger rubber all round. Remember that you can't run staggered sizes, because of the 4Motion.
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    Jeez after just watching the Focus RS videos I cant see past that car.

    Why not a shitter auto for the commute or do you have to do a brat pick up on the way through in the morning so need the 4 doors? Or is it somewhere to keep the 3rd car?

    For the $ saved in getting an RS over german stuff that would pay for a whole lot of auto corolla appliance type car motoring.
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    Keep the Coon for the commute and get a Focus RS for everything else?
    It Places the lotion in the basket!

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    If FG XR6T has 300k kms, then outright buying the Focus would cost less than selling the XR6T and buying the M135i woodennit?
    Golf R is only a coupla thou more than Focus RS though?
    Soft roaders represent an excellent compromise between the needs of the hardcore 4x4 user and the convenience of a city hatchback. Its clear to see why they have become so popular in todays society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevil View Post
    RS is manual, gaycunt doesnt want to street a Manual, Gaycunt races with auto Coon mobile.
    This might be why the half-dozen posts before yours are suggesting not streeting a Manual?
    Soft roaders represent an excellent compromise between the needs of the hardcore 4x4 user and the convenience of a city hatchback. Its clear to see why they have become so popular in todays society.

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    As a rough estimate, what is the time frame between ordering and driving away?
    12weeks for both vw and bmw?
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    Quote Originally Posted by [SPESHAL] View Post
    I had a modded Mk 6 R that I just sold to get into an M135i. I can't think of any way in which is the Golf is better, except maybe looks. If the M135i had an LSD it'd be almost perfect.

    I don't track the car, just drive to and from work and try to give it a hit as often as possible. I'm not sure either car is the best choice for a track car.

    Tune wise everyone just puts a JB4 piggy back on them. JB4, downpipe and E85 and it's going to be in the high 3xx rwhp range for $1,500 outlay. LSD is expensive though as something is welded in - looking at about $5k.
    And a Pure Stage 2 turbo at ~$3.5k for roughly 500rwhp (there's a guy in Belgium running 20+psi for 16k kms without issue. His 0-100 time is 3.6 seconds)
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