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    Okay....

    Proportions are wrong, being on e2xx will have similar long nose to short tail to malibu above. With large overhang. WTF? oh wait I can buy a mazda 6 which much the same look.

    Its FWD so its fucked its traditional market so volume is going to fall in the ass.

    V6 sports, oh come on. No turbo in engine bay, so HSV is back to extractors and a 2.5" add on pack. Fuck sake.

    This is an absolutely catastrophic fuck up. All that "tech" is going to cost heaps too.

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    Could anyone really say "European" Holdens were really ever as durable as expected for the Australian conditions?

    I don't expect we will get the true Euro spec after the first few years anyway, we will get the China spec/build models so the overall cost is able to be pushed down...
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    As long as they have radial tuned suspension it'll be OK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
    Could anyone really say "European" Holdens were really ever as durable as expected for the Australian conditions?

    I don't expect we will get the true Euro spec after the first few years anyway, we will get the China spec/build models so the overall cost is able to be pushed down...
    Australian conditions are favourable for cars, really.

    They're just not economical to repair once they inevitably have something break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soopy View Post
    Didnt Opel recently pack up and fuck off because no one wanted their shit?
    Only because they were competing with Holden but attempting to be more 'premium' by being more expensive. Don't overprice it, and they will come. And don't only sell Astras and Insignias.

    Chevrolet is considered to be cheap & even nastier than Holden for toothless rednecks by all but toothless rednecks. Are meth heads even a valid target for car sales?

    I don't know that putting Chevrolet badges on a Colorado can work; if people don't think they're 'Japanese' would they buy one?
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    Weather conditions maybe, road's on the other hand...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
    Could anyone really say "European" Holdens were really ever as durable as expected for the Australian conditions?
    I think they were in a 'bad phase' when the Astra reappeared and they were building Vectras here, because the next shape Astra (after they stopped being popular) and the last shape Vectra seem to have been pretty decent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlin View Post
    GM would be better served dropping the Holden name altogether and running with Chevrolet. The Holden brand dies with Commodore, the other crap they sell is 3rd world Asian 3rd rate garbage and the Colorado, their star performer, would sell better of badged as a Chev.
    It's as if they can't see the forest for the tress.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Flibberty Gibbets View Post
    Yep, I'd have knocked the Holden brand on the head, too.

    Everyone has already said "Neva byin a fukn Holdens agen. No v8s is gay"

    And "I've always owned Barinas, and my husband has always owned Rodeos. We are not buying an Australian car anymore".
    Don't rule that out, part of GM's bailout was the requirement to streamline brands, hence Pontiac getting dropped and Opel/Vauxhal being put up for sale. Problem is brand recognition meant that was never going to work, apart from the middle east, Chevrolet is more aligned with the Daewoo sourced stuff, which isn't exactly Opel quality. In China Buick is doing pretty well, iirc China is actually Buick's biggest market, even bigger than in the US.
    With the new focus on global models, new Cruze, which will wear Chev badges in most markets, it's possible that in a few years time GM will look at the streamlining program again.
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    Can't wait to see the FWD commodores going round Bathurst and understeering into a wall on the first corner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobster View Post
    Can't wait to see the FWD commodores going round Bathurst and understeering into a wall on the first corner.

    As if they wouldn't just use the exact same custom chassis they do now, with a newmoo instead of a decent motor and staple the carbon look alike panels to the outside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_fahrquhar View Post
    Okay....

    Proportions are wrong, being on e2xx will have similar long nose to short tail to malibu above. With large overhang. WTF? oh wait I can buy a mazda 6 which much the same look.

    Its FWD so its fucked its traditional market so volume is going to fall in the ass.

    V6 sports, oh come on. No turbo in engine bay, so HSV is back to extractors and a 2.5" add on pack. Fuck sake.

    This is an absolutely catastrophic fuck up. All that "tech" is going to cost heaps too.
    Article.said two turbo will not fit on RHD model.. One will they say... So maybe angle turbo v6. And maybe HSV will develop a way to fit two.. Because they are small outfit of.dedicated builders. There would be a way to.do OT. Just only on GTS budget.

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    IMHO the Mazda 6 is the only recent design to have overcome the FWD proportion problem. It is a seriously good looking car. If only they'd put the 2.5 turbo engine from the CX-9 in it with AWD.

    The Chev Malibu on the other hand...compare that with a VE's proportions and stance and tell me which is the better looking car.

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    OPC / VXR models of these will be running turbo'd 4cyl.

    HSV version will be no different
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    No one is going to buy a hot Opel when it costs the same as an Audi/BMW/Merc which has more bragging rights when you're having a latte with your Mosman friends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soopy View Post
    As if they wouldn't just use the exact same custom chassis they do now, with a newmoo instead of a decent motor and staple the carbon look alike panels to the outside.
    As if. V8 supercars are exactly the same thing as you buy from the showroom!
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    Quote Originally Posted by itsnotagsr View Post
    No one is going to buy a hot Opel when it costs the same as an Audi/BMW/Merc which has more bragging rights when you're having a latte with your Mosman friends.
    Why wouldn't anyone ever want to buy one because it's nice to drive?
    It's not like anyone buys a V8 Falcodore for bragging rights - well, not since about 1974.

    Quote Originally Posted by Soopy View Post
    As if they wouldn't just use the exact same custom chassis they do now, with a newmoo instead of a decent motor and staple the carbon look alike panels to the outside.
    That's exactly what they're doing.
    Except apparently it's a turbo newmoo, but I guess that's no worse Foulcans with Windsors or whatever ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by irsa76 View Post
    ..... In China Buick is doing pretty well, iirc China is actually Buick's biggest market, even bigger than in the US....
    There are heaps of Buicks there. Look identical to LHD Statesman Caprice to me.

    WWD Commodore will fail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forg View Post
    Why wouldn't anyone ever want to buy one because it's nice to drive?
    It's not like anyone buys a V8 Falcodore for bragging rights - well, not since about 1974.


    That's exactly what they're doing.
    Except apparently it's a turbo newmoo, but I guess that's no worse Foulcans with Windsors or whatever ...
    At least a Windsor doesn't sound like fart in a drain pipe.
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    More pics of it's cousin (Opel/Vauxhall Insignia) here...

    http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-sho...side-for-2017/



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    If these are even remotely successful I'll be ashamed to be Australian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorz de Puniet View Post
    If these are even remotely successful I'll be ashamed to be Australian.
    I derive no embarrassment from Camry sales, why would I derive embarrassment from Insignia sales?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorz de Puniet View Post
    If these are even remotely successful I'll be ashamed to be Australian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forg View Post
    I derive no embarrassment from Camry sales, why would I derive embarrassment from Insignia sales?
    Wait! Holden stopped making Commodores and started making Camrys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forg View Post
    I derive no embarrassment from Camry sales, why would I derive embarrassment from Insignia sales?

    Because they're replacing an iconic, Australian made 6.2 litre V8 powered RWD that actually handles pretty damn well considering it's size with an underpowered FWD faggot ship made overseas, calling it the same thing and expecting us to buy it anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rj_astra View Post
    Another car based on that chassis and probably around the same size. Chevy Malibu. Proportions aren't bad

    It's OK, but it has a horrible hip line above the rear wheel arch ala the current Impala that ruins the whole thing for me. Seems like a little bit of a retro tribute to the hip line of the old Impalas but it doesn't work on a newer car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
    Could anyone really say "European" Holdens were really ever as durable as expected for the Australian conditions?

    I don't expect we will get the true Euro spec after the first few years anyway, we will get the China spec/build models so the overall cost is able to be pushed down...
    Didn't the Astras suffer from jammed ignition barrels in hot weather?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigshipengine.jpg View Post
    Wait! Holden stopped making Commodores and started making Camrys?
    Not yet. In late 2017.

    Quote Originally Posted by ButtaS15 View Post
    It's OK, but it has a horrible hip line above the rear wheel arch ala the current Impala that ruins the whole thing for me. Seems like a little bit of a retro tribute to the hip line of the old Impalas but it doesn't work on a newer car.
    That bit just looks like any of the current BMW or Audi 5dr hatches to me.
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    Still having a chuckle over people who've never owned a Commodore, nor have the inclination to do so, getting all butt-hurty over this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Flibberty Gibbets View Post
    Still having a chuckle over people who've never owned a Commodore, nor have the inclination to do so, getting all butt-hurty over this.
    It's nart a Commodore
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