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    Quote Originally Posted by PXL265 View Post
    Over the whole of life from digging it out if the ground to it going back into the ground when dead a conventional car is more environmentally friendly than an EV.

    Classic cars are more environmentally friendly than new cars too when taking this approach. The amount of fuel used by a car is fuck all of the total environmental costs.

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    Pretty much any older car is better as they are not getting replaced. Takes a lot to get rid of old cars and even more to make a new one. Keep you old jalopy running and it will be best for the planet.

    EVs are there only for CO2 emissions and noise pollution I guess. Down side is they weigh more so there is more tyre and road wear.

    We really won't be there until we have something like solar->BPU->car or a city fusion reactor powering the grid. More likely everyone will just have solar at home with batteries and charge the car like you charge your phone.
    When we are there, I welcome self driving electric cars that will talk to each other on the highway so the traffic can flow at 200kph. I'll still have a E85/Moonshine burning turbo huffing piston engine with limited rego for weekend fun.

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    There's a large performance movement with EVs now. If you ignore all the greenie aspects, there's a lot to be said for tyre shredding instant torque. There's a whole new generation of light weight batteries available now too.
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    my neighbours called the cops...... not because of the sound of me working in the garage was too loud, but because i taped a cardboard box to my back, covered my self in vaseline and pretended i was a snail on their lawn

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    what sux about the EV's is that GovCo knows they are coming and are raising the tax on electricity to the point where EV cars don't make sense anymore, nobody gives flying fuck about saving the planet, if anyone things that they are a massive retard, once EV's uptake reaches say 20 to 30 percent the loss from fuel excise will have to be covered from somewhere else which means the electricity will go through the roof, we are already the most expensive country on earth when it comes to electricity and also the biggest exporter of coal by more than double of Indonesia (second biggest) we are also close to the top 10 in Gas export (i think we are 11 or 12) yet we are one of the highest countries when it comes to LPG/Natural Gas on the planet

    I wouldn't really look at EV cars doing anything positive in Australia, it will most likely encourage the government to leach onto something else. You only have to look as far as cigarette pricing to fully understand how desperate the GovCo is for funds...if every single cent from cigarette tax is exclusively used in our health system we would have the best health system on earth bar none yet for every 5 thousand people that give up smoking GovCo punishes the rest with an additional 1% hike in tax to cover the gap, this is no different for petrol, as cars become more efficient fuel prices will go up, if they can't get their insatiable thirst for $ fix they hike registration and as EV's come into the market they will make electricity a non commodity item. Yes we have solar and one day GovCo will charge you a tax for the square meters of you roof (collecting water and electricity).

    I think best thing I've seen was this Indian guys I used to work with in the past, they got sent this foot pumps from India where they attach them to the Gas lines (the kitchen ones) and their LPG camry/echo/yaris and pump the pedal to pressurise their car LPG tank ... fucking brilliant idea although I guess highly illegal but hey it's fucking works for the cheap cunts! I asked why not electric pump? they say it's too expensive ... cheap cunts!

    So yeah from environmental point of view LPG should be way more echo friendly than EV over say 10 years of the life of a car in my books
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    Quote Originally Posted by rj_astra View Post
    In 2022. Bit of a way off.
    Audi will have the basis in the upcoming eTron Quattro suv
    2019 for the mission E concept. Not sure how many will end up on the roads here though.

    Pretty radical to take your number one SUV seller and make it full electric in the next 5 years...

    Interesting the quick change to embrace electric, i guess the VW diesel scandal has all the euros scrambling towards change
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    Worked with a guy in the 90s that ran town gas through a copper coil in a chest freezer and slow filled his lpg tank with the liquified gas. He had a vh commodore. Said it was slow as fuck but it was costing him about 30c a tank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seedyrom
    my neighbours called the cops...... not because of the sound of me working in the garage was too loud, but because i taped a cardboard box to my back, covered my self in vaseline and pretended i was a snail on their lawn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    There's a large performance movement with EVs now. If you ignore all the greenie aspects, there's a lot to be said for tyre shredding instant torque. There's a whole new generation of light weight batteries available now too.
    This is the future of engine swaps IMO.

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    Town gas is predominately methane. Compressed methane is typically stored at around 10 times the pressure for LPG (propane/butane mix). To liquefy methane you need to get it down to −162 °C.
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    I had a crappy volt and forget being green

    It was just plain good to drive as a commuter car

    I’ve had many V8’s and turbos and supercharged cars

    None have matched the econobox’s instant response from a roll at normal city driving speeds

    I had a Jeep SRT and it was pretty good, yet still no match for the volt, I’m not saying the volt was quick it was mid 9’s 0-100km/h vs the tunes jeeps mid 4’s

    Where it was good was see an opening steer into it and give it a squirt

    They respond instantly, the big 6.4L hemi and ZF 8spd are well known for the low down grunt and slick shifting, but jumping from gap to gap in city traffic you can’t beat an ev

    I have a tuned 3L diesel Grand Cherokee with a mountain of torque and much improved response and daily city driving its garbage compared to the volt

    By the time the transmission kicks down in a conventional car the ev has already completed accelerating and you are off the pedal

    I never bought any of mine to be green or save fuel, I like the relaxing quiet drive that is all
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    another thing with the big take up of electric cars is the home charging - if 30-40% (or whatever) of homes with their single phase supply start to do charging as soon as they get home in the evening at large amperages - the local networks are going to be under strain.

    hot summer evening with AC full blast and charging your car

    mmmm more service fees by electricity providers to upgrade the networks .

    planning could alleviate it - but yeah - planning by the state and feds govts for joined up thinking ... hmmm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Major View Post
    Town gas is predominately methane. Compressed methane is typically stored at around 10 times the pressure for LPG (propane/butane mix). To liquefy methane you need to get it down to −162 °C.
    I'd say at a guess it wasn't liquified, as you say, and he just ran it on domestic pipe pressure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seedyrom
    my neighbours called the cops...... not because of the sound of me working in the garage was too loud, but because i taped a cardboard box to my back, covered my self in vaseline and pretended i was a snail on their lawn

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9triton View Post
    another thing with the big take up of electric cars is the home charging - if 30-40% (or whatever) of homes with their single phase supply start to do charging as soon as they get home in the evening at large amperages - the local networks are going to be under strain.

    hot summer evening with AC full blast and charging your car

    mmmm more service fees by electricity providers to upgrade the networks .

    planning could alleviate it - but yeah - planning by the state and feds govts for joined up thinking ... hmmm
    Just offer people the option of charging on off peak tarrifs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    I'd say at a guess it wasn't liquified, as you say, and he just ran it on domestic pipe pressure.
    It's also the completely wrong chemical composition to run in an LPG car.

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    from service station LPG is mainly propane with a butane mix

    the differences between the two gases where it matters is not much really, energy content is around the same, gravity is almost exactly the same, flame temp is almost the same. The main thing to my eyes is the container size as one can't be liquified but from an engine perspective most ECU's can compensate for either, I've seen guys hooking up bbq bottles in emergency
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    Town gas is natural gas, different make up compared to LPG. It is possible to refill CNG vehicles at home from your house gas. An LPG engine will not run on CNG unless some modifications are done, can't remember exactly what they are off hand.

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    [QUOTE=irsa76;842854878]Town gas is natural gas, different make up compared to LPG. It is possible to refill CNG vehicles at home from your house gas. /QUOTE]

    Hlonda sold a CNG Civic in the USA with a home refilled kit

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    The yanks use CNG a fair bit. Usually in commercial vehicles though, although Honda and a couple of others offered sedans on CNG.

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    CNG compressed natural gas was used in a lot of cars in NZ during the 80's and 90's.

    It used to be retro fitted on mainly larger cars like valiants, falcons, holdens etc much like LPG.

    A mate of mine bought a corona back in 95 with a 3T 1.8L on CNG, man that thing was pretty gutless but pretty cheap to run. When flicking the switch over to petrol it was like a nos shot haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9triton View Post
    another thing with the big take up of electric cars is the home charging - if 30-40% (or whatever) of homes with their single phase supply start to do charging as soon as they get home in the evening at large amperages - the local networks are going to be under strain.

    hot summer evening with AC full blast and charging your car

    mmmm more service fees by electricity providers to upgrade the networks .

    planning could alleviate it - but yeah - planning by the state and feds govts for joined up thinking ... hmmm
    No one in Sydney can afford to put their car in their garage (walk around suburbia ... two or more cars parked on the street and the garage is storage or an extra living space).

    With home charging in the future it will be dangerous walking at night with all the extension cords running across the pavement to the street.

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    House up the road from me (Big fuck off 2 storey Mcmansion with double garage) has a Tesla parked out the front all the time.
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    We've got a tesla charging station in the car park at work. Maybe he has something similar.

    Though ... 400kms from a charge is a lot of trips before needing a topup

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    We have an E hybrid charging point in the customer car park. Rarely see anything on charge ever.
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    home single phase will recharge in about 10- 14hrs

    the quick charge you read about -2hrs etc -are going to be the specialised 3phase units as above -which your house wont have

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    Quote Originally Posted by LB-XP View Post
    CNG compressed natural gas was used in a lot of cars in NZ during the 80's and 90's.

    It used to be retro fitted on mainly larger cars like valiants, falcons, holdens etc much like LPG.

    A mate of mine bought a corona back in 95 with a 3T 1.8L on CNG, man that thing was pretty gutless but pretty cheap to run. When flicking the switch over to petrol it was like a nos shot haha
    CNG in trucks, buses and Taxi's is very common here.
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    At a guess, maybe 80% of electric cars are coal powered in australia at the moment. How can a power company guarantee green energy into the national grid and your charging point, or is it a carbon offset kind of deal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LB-XP View Post
    A mate of mine bought a corona back in 95 with a 3T 1.8L on CNG, man that thing was pretty gutless but pretty cheap to run. When flicking the switch over to petrol it was like a nos shot haha
    When I was learning to drive in the early 90's the instructor car had been converted to CNG. I remember the instructor telling me how much she regretted doing it, the thing was so gutless many of her students just couldn't drive it. It was manual and you had to rev it and slip the clutch like mad or it would just stall every time. I reckon the power loss must have been about 50%, it was seriously feeble.

    At the same time my Dad had dual fuel Valiant (petrol/LPG), and the power loss on gas was much lower, maybe 5-10% tops.
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    Well this is interesting.... from jaguarmagazine.com

    JAGUAR AND TESLA WORKING TO SHARE CHARGING FACILITIES?

    2018 is shaping up to be an exciting year for electric vehicles. Not only will the Tesla Model 3 most likely be in full production, but no less than three luxury brands will be bringing all-electric crossovers to their respective showrooms.
    During 2018, Audi will launch their long-anticipated e-tron quattro, Mercedes will bring the EQ to market, and Jaguar will introduce their first plug in vehicle, the I-Pace.
    On paper, all of these vehicles look like they will be exciting entries into the EV market, and competent competitors for Tesla.
    However there’s one thing that no automaker other than Tesla can offer; the Supercharger network, and that’s one serious disadvantage.
    While there have been announcements regarding the introduction of 150 kW to 300 kW high-speed DC fast charge stations, they haven’t materialized just yet. Meanwhile, Tesla keeps rolling along, adding Supercharger pins to their map every month, ensuring that their customer’s charging experience is second to none.
    But what if another brand was able to strike a deal with Tesla to use their Supercharger network? Would Tesla allow it? If so, it begs the question: Why would Tesla help their competition?
    To find answers to these questions, one needs to look no further than Elon Musk’s own words. Back in 2015 he said:
    “Our Supercharger network is not intended to be a walled garden, it’s intended to be available to other manufacturers if they’d like to use it. The only requirements are that the cars must be able to take the power output of our Superchargers, and then just pay whatever their proportion their usage is of the system. We’re actually in talks with some manufacturers about doing just that, and it will be exciting to share that news.”
    He also went on to say: “The CEO of one European car company, not a German car company, has approached us recently about doing exactly that, and we’re super supportive of anyone who wants to do that.”
    And what about the fact that Tesla would be helping their own competition? Musk: “The general philosophy of Tesla is to do whatever we can to accelerate the advent of electric cars.” Clearly Tesla doesn’t have a problem sharing their Supercharger network, as long as the price is right. Tesla and BMW had talks a few years ago, but they couldn’t reach an agreement at the time.
    So who was Musk referring to when he mentioned the CEO of a European company that wasn’t from Germany? Was that Ralf Speth, CEO of Jaguar? It looks like it could very well have been.
    Standardised charging is a must for electric cars to work. Petrol and diesel fuel fillers are the same in all cars now, all petrol stations have standardised nozzles, needs to be the same with charging...
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    So solid state batteries maybe in 2020 Toyotas. Better range/quicker charging/less weight? 3-4 minute charge time
    http://www.wired.co.uk/article/toyot...-state-battery
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9triton View Post
    home single phase will recharge in about 10- 14hrs

    the quick charge you read about -2hrs etc -are going to be the specialised 3phase units as above -which your house wont have
    Tesla is going to build some solar farm outback and feed the grid with it and offset it's cars
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    And solar panels are made from leaf matter and unicorn poop. Solar panels have an energy payback of about 2-5 years depending on the density/efficiency of the panel.

    The people saying EV's are worse for the environment are on drugs. An EV is over the life of the vehicle (at todays energy production CO values) 20% more efficient. They will only get better as the electricity grid has a higher renewable fraction.

    There for, an EV from birth to dead charging from todays grid, will use 20% less energy and produce 20% emissions than the equivalent ICE vehicle. This is once you consider HV/LV transmission losses and retail electricity loads.

    Battery tech, transmission losses (distributed solar and BESS far more local), KERS and motor tech is really at the disruption point, or very close to it. It'll be amazing when it happens too, I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smudge View Post
    So solid state batteries maybe in 2020 Toyotas. Better range/quicker charging/less weight? 3-4 minute charge time
    http://www.wired.co.uk/article/toyot...-state-battery
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