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    https://gopressmobility.be/2017/05/1...tric-chargers/

    shell are actively rolling out EV charging points at stations in Europe.
    they have also opened there first EV only station.

    obviously as demand increases, so will roll out in other countries.

    http://www.evsolutions.com/ supply multiple solutions for EV charging.
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    http://www.nio.io/ep9

    don't know how genuine there claims are, and most of the photos look cgi.

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    I would say we are pretty close to the tipping point on range, model S does 500ks, 3 will do almost 400 or so, its going to cover 90% of most peoples needs and has superchargers and other shit available for a lot of other stuff. Price is the major factor but that will come down rapidly soon. I would guess around 2030 would be the point where we see full electric cars start to really ramp up and have proper competition, options (not just 1 token model out of the range) and pricing somewhat close to normal.
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    Has anyone mentioned Electric Motorcycles yet? Specifically the Zeros? I've now seen 2 people commuting on them in brisbane (One of them isn't going to survive for very long the way he rides) - but at the same cost as a second hand Panigale, I know what i'd prefer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Broadhurst View Post
    And solar panels are made from leaf matter and unicorn poop. Solar panels have an energy payback of about 2-5 years depending on the density/efficiency of the panel.

    The people saying EV's are worse for the environment are on drugs. An EV is over the life of the vehicle (at todays energy production CO values) 20% more efficient. They will only get better as the electricity grid has a higher renewable fraction.

    There for, an EV from birth to dead charging from todays grid, will use 20% less energy and produce 20% emissions than the equivalent ICE vehicle. This is once you consider HV/LV transmission losses and retail electricity loads.

    Battery tech, transmission losses (distributed solar and BESS far more local), KERS and motor tech is really at the disruption point, or very close to it. It'll be amazing when it happens too, I think.
    Given Tesla have publicly stated they are aiming for 1 million mile drivetrains which would be very achievable given there are next to no moving parts the lifecycle of an EV will lifely be much more than most ICE vehicles. admittedly it'll probably go through a couple battery packs in that time but given they are highly recyclable it shouldn't add enough pollution to put it above the ICE equivalent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gammaboy View Post
    Has anyone mentioned Electric Motorcycles yet? Specifically the Zeros? I've now seen 2 people commuting on them in brisbane (One of them isn't going to survive for very long the way he rides) - but at the same cost as a second hand Panigale, I know what i'd prefer.
    Unfortunately Zero has just withdrawn from the Australian market due to poor sales. I'd love one but I wouldn't pay the price they are asking. Maybe $15k for one with the big battery but not the $25k they were asking for an S.
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    In Vic I could get on a Zero while still on my L plates.......prob not a good idea.
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    Model 3 specs (all US dollars)

    “Standard Battery”

    Starting at $35,000
    Range of 220 miles (354km)
    0 to 60 mph acceleration in 5.6 seconds
    Top speed of 130 mph

    “Long Range Battery”

    Starting at $44,000
    Range of 310 miles (500)
    0 to 60 mph acceleration in 5.1 seconds
    Top speed of 140 mph

    STANDARD EQUIPMENT

    Price – $35,000

    Standard Battery

    Range: 220 miles (EPA estimated)
    Supercharging rate: 130 miles of range per 30 minutes
    Home charging rate: 30 miles of range per hour (240V outlet, 32A)
    Deliveries begin: Fall 2017
    Performance

    0-60 mph: 5.6 seconds
    Top speed: 130 mph
    Interior

    15” touchscreen display
    Dual zone climate control system
    FM/Internet streaming radio
    Textile seating
    Front Center console with open storage and two USB ports
    Convenience

    Onboard maps and navigation
    Wi-Fi and LTE internet connectivity
    Keyless entry and remote climate control using the Tesla app
    Voice activated controls
    Bluetooth hands-free calling and media streaming
    60/40 split folding rear seat to maximize cargo options
    Back-up camera
    Auto dimming rear-view mirror
    One-touch power windows throughout
    Power-adjustable side mirrors
    12-volt power outlet
    Safety

    Full LED exterior lighting
    Seven cameras, forward radar and twelve ultrasonic sensors enabling active safety technologies including collision avoidance and automatic emergency braking
    Six front row and two side curtain airbags
    Three-point safety belts with belt-reminders for driver and four passengers
    Two LATCH (Lower Anchors and Tethers for Children) attachments in second row
    Electronic stability and traction control
    Four-wheel antilock disc brakes with electronic parking brake
    Child safety locks
    Anti-theft alarm system
    Tire pressure monitoring system
    Warranty

    Vehicle: 4 year, 50,000 mile limited warranty
    Battery warranty: 8 year, 100,000 mile (120,000 mile with Long Range Battery)

    OPTIONS

    Long Range Battery – $9,000

    Range: 310 miles
    Supercharging rate: 170 miles of range per 30 minutes
    Home charging rate: 37 miles of range per hour (240V outlet, 40A)
    0-60 mph: 5.1 seconds
    Top speed: 140 mph
    Deliveries begin: July 2017
    Paint

    Solid Black: Standard
    Midnight Silver Metallic: $1,000
    Deep Blue Metallic: $1,000
    Silver Metallic: $1,000
    Pearl White Multi-Coat: $1,000
    Red Multi-Coat: $1,000
    Wheels

    18” Aero: Standard
    19” Sport: $1,500
    Premium Upgrades Package – $5,000 Upgraded interior with additional features and premium materials.

    Premium heated seating and cabin materials throughout, including open pore wood décor and two rear USBs
    12-way, power adjustable front seats, steering column and side mirrors, with custom driver profiles
    Premium audio system with more power, tweeters, surround speakers and subwoofer
    Tinted glass roof with ultraviolet and infrared protection
    Auto dimming, power folding, heated side mirrors
    LED fog lamps
    Center console with covered storage and docking for two smartphones

    Enhanced Autopilot – $5,000 Model 3 will match speed to traffic conditions, keep within a lane, automatically change lanes, transition from one freeway to another, exit the freeway and self-park at your destination.

    Additional features will roll out over time through software updates.

    Full Self-Driving Capability – $3,000 (requires Enhanced Autopilot) In the future, Model 3 will be capable of conducting trips with no action required by the person in the driver’s seat.

    This feature is dependent upon extensive software validation and regulatory approval, which may vary by jurisdiction.

    VEHICLE SPECIFICATIONS

    Dimensions & Weight

    Length: 184.8”
    Width: 76.1” (72.8” with mirrors folded)
    Height: 56.8”
    Wheelbase: 113.2”
    Track (wheel center): 62.2” front and rear
    Ground clearance: 5.5”
    Head room, standard: 39.6” front row, 37.7” second row
    Head room, glass roof: 40.3” front row, 37.7” second row
    Leg room: 42.7” front row, 35.2” second row
    Shoulder room: 56.3” front row, 54.0” second row
    Hip room: 53.4” front row, 52.4” second row
    Seating capacity: 5 adults
    Luggage capacity: 15 cubic feet
    Curb weight:
    3549 lbs. (Model 3)
    3814 lbs. (Model 3 Long Range)
    Weight distribution:
    47% front, 53% rear (Model 3)
    48% front, 52% rear (Model 3 Long Range)
    Body

    Hybrid steel/aluminum body
    Drag coefficient of 0.23
    Chassis

    Double wishbone, virtual steer axis front suspension with coil over twin-tube shock absorbers and stabilizer bar
    Independent multi-link rear suspension with twin-tube shock absorbers and stabilizer bar
    Variable ratio, speed sensitive electronic power steering
    Electromechanically boosted four wheel anti-lock disc brakes with electronic brake force distribution
    18” Aero or 19” Sport wheels with all-season tires
    Standard Accessories

    240 volt NEMA 14-50 adapter
    120 volt NEMA 5-15 adapter
    J1772 public charging adapter
    20 foot mobile connector with storage bag
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    \waits patiently for the 3 engined AWD model 3

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    Those are USD prices, in the US yeah? So it will be at least double here...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Nicholson View Post
    Those are USD prices, in the US yeah? So it will be at least double here...
    Musk said on Twitter that it would cost the same as US prices, converted to AUD + local taxes like LCT

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    For comparison of sorts

    BMW 330e (plug in hybrid) costs USD44K.

    For a specced up Tesla 3 (ignoring self drive) you are looking over USD56K - thats BMW 530e prices

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    ^ Yes, but Tesla haven't necessarily played the same games as most high-end manufacturers & doubled prices here just because they can ... unlike Porsche & Benz & BMW, who have doubled prices here just because they can. Extrapolating US Tesla vs BMW prices to Aus ones doesn't really work, for that reason.
    Soft roaders represent an excellent compromise between the needs of the hardcore 4x4 user and the convenience of a city hatchback. Its clear to see why they have become so popular in todays society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gats View Post
    Musk said on Twitter that it would cost the same as US prices, converted to AUD + local taxes like LCT
    Tesla S 70 - USA is USD68000 = AUD$85000 (before on roads)

    Here a Tesla S 70 costs AUD 124K on road. Remove all on roads, stamp duty and LCT -> AUD108K
    Take of the GST - Approx 10K => AUD98K.

    Is that about 16% more than the car in the USA?

    So for tesla 3...

    Standard battery car with metallic and lux pack = USD41K is about AUD51K. Add the 16% Oz tax = AUD59000
    Add GST => $65K
    stamp duty= 2300
    CTP and Rego = approx 1000

    Around AUD69K (forgot LCT)
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    When's LCT cut-in, about $65k? That's about a third? So $85k has LCT on $20k, so about $7k?

    So that $98k Tesla 70 S becomes around $91k, compared to the converted $85k ... pretty close.
    Soft roaders represent an excellent compromise between the needs of the hardcore 4x4 user and the convenience of a city hatchback. Its clear to see why they have become so popular in todays society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banzai View Post
    Unfortunately Zero has just withdrawn from the Australian market due to poor sales. I'd love one but I wouldn't pay the price they are asking. Maybe $15k for one with the big battery but not the $25k they were asking for an S.
    The importer of these bikes in melbourne used to be behind my work, pretty interesting to look at. Rego was pretty much free at the time back then! He offered to let me ride one but i never got around to it unfortunately. He told me it was weird at high speed on them, so quiet, no noise really!

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    LCT applies from $63k but high fuel efficiency cars get a $75k limit.
    Lots of minis & mokes including a G13b powered Sports Sedan, a couple of Swift Gtis, a Goggomobil, Porsche 928S, Polo Gti, BMW 540i, a WRX and a few others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captiva Fan View Post
    When's LCT cut-in, about $65k? That's about a third? So $85k has LCT on $20k, so about $7k?

    So that $98k Tesla 70 S becomes around $91k, compared to the converted $85k ... pretty close.
    I already removed the LCT from the price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Nicholson View Post


    Standardised charging is a must for electric cars to work. Petrol and diesel fuel fillers are the same in all cars now, all petrol stations have standardised nozzles, needs to be the same with charging...
    This, I built recently and when I was planning a couple of years ago I thought I should put a provision for eletric car charging in the garage.
    I took the advice of the Tesla website and asked for “2 X 240V 50Amps Nema 14/50 Outlet” and no one knew what the fuck that was.
    Now that info isn't on their site any more and I just have a big 50 amp cable on the wall. Who knows what the deal will be when I actually get one.

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    still one of the coolest electric cars

    https://www.morgan-motor.co.uk/ev3/

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    https://www.fonzarelli.co/fonzshop/
    I know nothing-zero-nada about bikes so bear with me:
    If I lived in inner Melb/Sydney and wanted something to chug around with no petrol bills (scooter doesn't have much anyway) would this be a thing? Is it really just an assembly of cheap Chinese parts behind a cool name/image?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smudge View Post
    https://www.fonzarelli.co/fonzshop/
    I know nothing-zero-nada about bikes so bear with me:
    If I lived in inner Melb/Sydney and wanted something to chug around with no petrol bills (scooter doesn't have much anyway) would this be a thing? Is it really just an assembly of cheap Chinese parts behind a cool name/image?
    For that money you can buy better or just build your own wont take long
    I was convinced when shown a 2kw 100+km range conversion to a cheap
    heavy dual suspension huffy. The thing wheel spins like crazy.
    That cost 3k all up but this one below should be a good base
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    Surprised they didn’t build it out of lego

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    Kryten going through powerwall + solar + 2 cars, pretty cool. Obviously we arent 100% there yet but it shows we are well on our way.

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    Have a Tesla S test drive booked for Monday, and hopefully an extended drive (3-4 days) after that.
    Will report back with skid stories.


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    Great video, thanks.
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    I would love a tesla anything but as soon as I leave home it can't meet any of the travel needs for charging . It's the only draw back is how to charge it when your not going to a major city and want to go into the back roads and hinterlands etc .

    Every trip I have done in the last 3 years all would have ran out of charge and never been able to recharge .

    Bring on the invasion of chargers over the next few years

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    Won't even get you to the gold coast and back...
    Authentic experience I guess.
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