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    i think you are a little but

    what hybrid

    some are hybrid for the sake of it, others are quite good

    i used to have a Camry, i was able to get 3.7L/100km driving peak hour 30km from epping to the CBD in Melbourne, they can just be driven like a normal car and you'll get 6L/100km or you can start adjusting your driving style and get 4's at times

    sure you can get that in some diesels

    but diesels are shit, they rattle they make noise they are shit and I've had lots and currently have a good one and i still don't like them

    its great doing stop start traffic with the engine off, no noise no vibes and the a/c still running

    I've done 40k in the 2 Camry hybrids i had and they are very good and id never buy a non hybrid model of that car

    a phev is 100x better i had 2 holden Volt's and ive had some cool cars, but if i could id have another as a daily instantly, it was such a fucking good car

    i really miss having it on the charger preconditioning the air, getting in and its chilly as driving to the shops and leaving the a/c going while i shop for an hour and getting back into a freeing car (had great a/c) and many other things i sorely miss now
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    I'm in a Toyota camry sized hybrid ATM. Not sure what model it is.
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    And why don't they really jew spec these things with a diesel hybrid? Stop starting a diesel probably doesn't have good emissions I guess?
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    because diesels are shit heavy complex and expensive

    they dont need a diesel as the torque advantage isnt required because of the electric motor

    but in case you do want one, the euro's make diesel electric hybrids and plug in models
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    Quote Originally Posted by lumpy View Post
    I think it would be a fun way to repower common "classics" like bugs and morris minors. It's not like driving an A-series 850 ever contributed much to the Morris experience.

    I've been suggesting to my old man that he does this to the series 2 minor that's been sitting disassembled in the shed for 20 years, however his first priority is the MG that's been sitting disassembled in the shed for 40 years.

    In reality spending that much money on a car that would be robbed of it's originality and still offer nothing in the way of handling/safety/conveniences is a bad idea, better to wait for the new electric cute classic "remakes" that will come in the future.
    Have started exactly this on a '55 Morris Minor Van. Want something to cruise around in, it has been in the family forever. Currently has a dodgy old 1200 Corolla engine and 4 speed gearbox, so has already upset the weird old Morris guys. Way less fucking around to fit everything, especially given it's a van.

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    Van has separate chassis doesn't it? Throw MX5 front and rear suspension under it while you're there.
    And throw up a thread, I wanna see this one.

    I actually saw the datto 1200 ute electric conversion that i did some work on ~6 years ago on the road a couple of months back - it had a tray full of 6v lead acid fork lift batteries at the time... i think a battery upgrade was part of his plan though.
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    What car is it?
    City driving for more than 30min, they make a lot of sense.

    I had a camry hybrid in noosa and went up and down the coast a few times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grungle View Post
    Have started exactly this on a '55 Morris Minor Van. Want something to cruise around in, it has been in the family forever. Currently has a dodgy old 1200 Corolla engine and 4 speed gearbox, so has already upset the weird old Morris guys. Way less fucking around to fit everything, especially given it's a van.
    Sounds cool - needs a build thread!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Broadhurst View Post
    So I have a hybrid for work right.

    It's not a plugin model, so every single bit of energy in that vehicle, originally came from petrol anyway. It does regen the battery on decel, which is the only thing the hybrid system benefits. It just makes so fucking little sense to me - you save a fraction of petrol due to the charging during decel, but add a massive amount of complexity to the vehicle.

    A plugin hybrid on the other hand could, if driven accordingly, potentially never use the petrol and be fueled from the home or work cheaply. This seems like a good model with the redundancy of a petrol motor for long trips, forgot to plug in driving home from the pub drunk or the instance you need more than the 40 kW electric motor is capable of. At that stage you should just commit to a EV and save lugging around an ICE, and just hire cars for long trips maybe?

    Am I missing something with non plugin hybrids? What the actual fuck?
    Plug in hybrids require a more beefed up EV motor and much larger battery for little return. If you're already more than halving fuel consumption from say 12-14L to 4-6L/100km, then halving that again with the added cost is basically diminishing returns unless you're going for outright 0L/100km.

    My experience with the Plug in Prius vs regular Prius on the same 40km route went from 3.9L/100km to 1.2L/100km. Sure you're saving on C02 but in $ fuel cost, it's still not that much to justify the extra $$ on the hardware. My 125cc scooter on the same route managed 2.3L/100km so the Prius was doing really well if you look at carrying capacity to fuel consumption ratio.
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    From the CSH department; I was browsing rental cars picking-up in Inverness (Scotland) and dropping-off at Heathrow a couple of weeks later.
    One of the options was "small hatchback" (or similar name), and the car was going to be either a Leaf or a Festiva.
    Surely you wouldn't be handed a Leaf as a rental car ... from any pick-up point? Except maybe in whatever Scando country that's outlawing internal-combustion engines soon ... ?
    Soft roaders represent an excellent compromise between the needs of the hardcore 4x4 user and the convenience of a city hatchback. Its clear to see why they have become so popular in todays society.

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    for those in Melbourne:

    electric vehicle expo on Sunday 18th at go kart track at todd rd west gate bridge :

    https://www.evexpo.org.au/


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    the truck goes alright!

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    I read it was 5 or 5.5 seconds 0-60mph empty

    Damn, that way quicker than my car, damn it!
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    Phil Pratt has just put up his new (in classy 1998 spec) website for EV racing.

    http://www.evmotorsportaustralia.com.au/
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    Is that more than stock?

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    Stage 3 mods..

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    Cool, an electric CRX / Del Sol!
    Soft roaders represent an excellent compromise between the needs of the hardcore 4x4 user and the convenience of a city hatchback. Its clear to see why they have become so popular in todays society.

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    Tesla might be getting alittle worried about now.
    http://www.news.com.au/technology/in...07d01e689ae65c

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    That was always going to happen, no way can he compete with the Euro manufacturers once they fire up their production lines. I didn't watch the video but he has done no model updates in hardware since the first model of each line has been produced, just software updates. The smoking gun in all this will be Bosch, they do a lot of unseen R&D.

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    I don't think it really matters what Jaguar, Porsche or Tesla are doing with high-end all-electric models. $100k+ for a car will keep the uptake relatively low and properly niche.

    What's really going to change the market is the $34,990 drive-away-no-more-to-pay EV's

    Given the choice between a Hybrid Camry for $34k, or a Tesla Model 3 for $50k (nevermind a Jag I-Pace at $120k, way outta the park sorry) the average punter will still go for a Hybrid Camry I reckon.

    It might take a couple more years, but eventually we will see Electric and Internal Combustion cars of similar size, feature and luxury at similar prices.

    I mean honestly, a three foot flat screen in the dash is bullshit for the majority of punters.
    Imagine a fridge-white Camry with an electric motor and batteries instead of the IC engine, with a 500km+ range, no added technological bullshit, just a car, like it is now, but electric. Would sell like fucken hotcakes.

    In the short term, the Hyundai Kona could really fuck shit up for Tesla, they are talking about it coming in "under $50k" in Oz later this year.

    And Hyundai knows how to build cars in volume, there won't be delays like on the Model 3.
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    Hmm. So what price would a Chev Bolt be if it could be RHD? They are meant to be a good thing. Aus Government is backwards when it comes to offering rebates on EV's.
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    They sold about 4 of them years ago. From memory they were like 70k

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smudge View Post
    Hmm. So what price would a Chev Bolt be if it could be RHD? They are meant to be a good thing. Aus Government is backwards when it comes to offering rebates on EV's.
    Chevy Bolt is USD$36k, the Volt is USD$33k, Ford Focus Electric USD$29k, Fiat 500e USD$32k.
    Or roughly twice the normal petrol versions price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gats View Post
    They sold about 4 of them years ago. From memory they were like 70k
    Fuck I owned 2

    So 50% of them then LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Broadhurst View Post
    So I have a hybrid for work right.

    It's not a plugin model, so every single bit of energy in that vehicle, originally came from petrol anyway. It does regen the battery on decel, which is the only thing the hybrid system benefits. It just makes so fucking little sense to me - you save a fraction of petrol due to the charging during decel, but add a massive amount of complexity to the vehicle.

    A plugin hybrid on the other hand could, if driven accordingly, potentially never use the petrol and be fueled from the home or work cheaply. This seems like a good model with the redundancy of a petrol motor for long trips, forgot to plug in driving home from the pub drunk or the instance you need more than the 40 kW electric motor is capable of. At that stage you should just commit to a EV and save lugging around an ICE, and just hire cars for long trips maybe?

    Am I missing something with non plugin hybrids? What the actual fuck?
    Just put a little c-tek charger on it each night. Problem solved.

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