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    Quote Originally Posted by fatz View Post
    Sounds like wtac needs to add these to the rules

    I have one in my engine bay ever since the last fire I had

    https://www.racedeal.com.au/shop/ite...e-extinguisher
    They are in stock. Just rang up and bought one. Haven't been available for a few months and this is as cheap as you'll get.
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    Reminds me, really have to fir the fire bomb I have sitting on the shelf to my car. Discovered I have quite the aversion to being on fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkside View Post
    Nice pics. That's the thing I pedal at Vic Time Attack. He has had a prick of a run into the event with gremlins (as seems to be the case with many of these cars given how highly strung they are) but hopefully he has a good couple of days. He deserves a break.
    highly strung or the fact most are built and finished 48 hours ago?

    *most being the half dozzen aussie cars that are totally rebuilt with a new setup and tested on the day or max a week before hand.
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    my car is just a simple road car compared to these things but every hose carrying flammable fluid was pressure tested to at least 3x max operating pressure and if near the hotside has fire sleeve over it, as well as the wiring harness.
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    NOticed the longhurst car has a few bombs as well now
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    Quote Originally Posted by ROBAPHENT View Post
    highly strung or the fact most are built and finished 48 hours ago?

    *most being the half dozzen aussie cars that are totally rebuilt with a new setup and tested on the day or max a week before hand.
    Because Racecars. And because bespoke built. Mates car has been in development for some time now. The only new things it's had recently are things to chase more reliability. Shit things still go wrong. Just sucks when a minor $10 part failing or something shit like that burns them to the ground. My worst nightmare. At least if you crash there is something to recover. Throw it in the bin after a decent fire.

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    having been involved in one engine bay fire already i sure as fuck dont want a repeat... there's a good reason every hose around the exhaust side of my aw11 has more insulation than the space shuttle.

    still need to get a fire bomb, but that will happen before i start doing regular track work.

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    Yep, when everything is bespoke and put together by the average Joe it means constant little things that f&ck the weekend until you've ironed out all the bugs.

    Next things I do is looking at heat management a lot more closely. Turbo, manifold and downpipe blankets, heat sleeves on the everything etc.
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    We had a crack in the block open up and spit oil onto headers. Car was relatively unstressed and had only been doing half a hot lap. Not due to a poor fitting or plumbing.
    Chris Alexander's R32 had an explosion in the boot. Saw it on someone's phone. You could see a blue flash BOOM in the boot just coming onto main straight. Thing started smoking and he started to make his way down pit entry. Car was then sliding on fuel. He directed it onto dry brown grass and it started to burn too of course. Actually slid back down onto the paved entry lane and the thing really went up. He just escaped by the looks of it.

    In our car Paul had flames coming into the footwell. It was on fire by T2 and there were no manned posts nor even just a decent extinguisher. Those bombs won't do much in a real fire.

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    Shoddy workmanship and a she'll be right attitude burns a lot more cars to the ground compared to the really odd ball unpredictable shit;
    Given these cars are always rushed, its not surprising. If you fucking around with fuel lines and wiring, running zero sleep and a tight deadline this shit happens - doesnt take long for a bit of wire to rub through on an edge etc
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    Yea bomb just gives you 30 seconds to get out and hope a fire person turns up
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    Shame to see these cars go up in flames
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    Good to see the unreliable cars being culled before the event actually starts. Stoppages ruin the event when on track action is a bit light on to begin with.

    Nobody wants to see cars catch fire but I really hate how unprepared half the field are every year.

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    Are they scrutineered, or only when someone sooks about cheating?
    Quote Originally Posted by brewdles View Post
    In short, some cunt at test and tune had a 250cc honda turning to 11ty and it sounded porn. Do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 333pg333 View Post
    We had a crack in the block open up and spit oil onto headers. Car was relatively unstressed and had only been doing half a hot lap. Not due to a poor fitting or plumbing.
    Chris Alexander's R32 had an explosion in the boot. Saw it on someone's phone. You could see a blue flash BOOM in the boot just coming onto main straight. Thing started smoking and he started to make his way down pit entry. Car was then sliding on fuel. He directed it onto dry brown grass and it started to burn too of course. Actually slid back down onto the paved entry lane and the thing really went up. He just escaped by the looks of it.

    In our car Paul had flames coming into the footwell. It was on fire by T2 and there were no manned posts nor even just a decent extinguisher. Those bombs won't do much in a real fire.
    Sorry to hear about that Pat. Thats just shit luck. Sounds like there is room for improvement with fire crews. It's one thing to lose a car but if some poor bastard is stuck in the thing burning that's a whole different ball game.

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    I know our car was well put together. Corners aren't cut. Although rushing never helps. Looking at the Alexander car a few years ago that also seemed well more than some backyard jalopy. Have no idea why their's caught fire.

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    agreed alexanders car was no back yard build and has been around for a few years.

    being that today is practice (normally a seperate track day) would explain the lack of marshals

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    Exactly ^
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    Looks like zero
    Anyway fuck the RS its a ford so it will just fall apart.
    The laugh is on you clowns.

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    Copy and paste of my reply in another thread..



    Most of the flag points were not manned today due to lack of interest and or not enough bodies to "VOLUNTEER" for every flag point†
    They were merely "observers" due to lack of numbers of VOLUNTEERS.
    None of us "Volunteers" get fuck all for our time nor a THANK YOU most years. We do i t for the love.
    Its a long day out there in the elements with very little return most times...some of us even cop the wrath of drivers for things that are wayyyy out of our control.
    Being only a practice session (so to speak) numbers were even lower. Thats why a number of points were unmannned/no extenguisher/ or someone to radio it in for a quicker response.
    Shit that this happened to you either way. No excuses..but I thought you should see it from another point of view either way.
    Quote Originally Posted by turbosurfer View Post
    Looks like zero
    Anyway fuck the RS its a ford so it will just fall apart.
    The laugh is on you clowns.

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    Yep, motorsport in this country exists thanks to volunteers. Next time you're at the track and pass a flaggy or marshal, shake his hand and say thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by evo-gsr View Post
    Exactly ^
    Ah gotcha. Didn't realise we hadn't hit the main game. Make sense now re marshalls.

    Some of the club Motorsport I did you had to Marshall for one round of the champsionship to be eligible. Certainly gives you an appreciation for the thankless task it can be.

    Appreciate the trackside updates. Can be hard to get on main feeds. Best of luck for the rest of the event to those playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reedy View Post
    Good to see the unreliable cars being culled before the event actually starts. Stoppages ruin the event when on track action is a bit light on to begin with.

    Nobody wants to see cars catch fire but I really hate how unprepared half the field are every year.
    Maybe a bit of tact wouldn't go astray?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reedy View Post
    Good to see the unreliable cars being culled before the event actually starts. Stoppages ruin the event when on track action is a bit light on to begin with.

    Nobody wants to see cars catch fire but I really hate how unprepared half the field are every year.
    Yeah cause fully prep'd cars never have issue's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evo-gsr View Post
    Copy and paste of my reply in another thread..



    Most of the flag points were not manned today due to lack of interest and or not enough bodies to "VOLUNTEER" for every flag point†
    They were merely "observers" due to lack of numbers of VOLUNTEERS.
    None of us "Volunteers" get fuck all for our time nor a THANK YOU most years. We do i t for the love.
    Its a long day out there in the elements with very little return most times...some of us even cop the wrath of drivers for things that are wayyyy out of our control.
    Being only a practice session (so to speak) numbers were even lower. Thats why a number of points were unmannned/no extenguisher/ or someone to radio it in for a quicker response.
    Shit that this happened to you either way. No excuses..but I thought you should see it from another point of view either way.
    Copy paste to my reply to your reply:

    In no way are we bagging the volunteers. Nor CAMS really. It was just the somewhat heavy handed attitude we got from Mr CAMS. These events shouldn't be reliant on Volunteers as much as everyone that I've ever spoken to really appreciates their efforts. What motorsport in this country needs to embrace is paying for people to marshall these points or at least have a decent fire extinguisher on at each point. It's not much of a financial investment. Not like say, someone's car that they've spent significant wads of cash just to get to these events. Again, not having a go whatsoever at the volunteers. It is a thankless task. I suggested many years ago that we should be paying people to do this just at our local club events...but that was shot down quick smart. Just doesn't make sense to me.

    It was the last practice day to apparently the biggest yearly event at SMP. $1,000,000's of cars on track. Should have been taken into account. We had to do 3/4 lap trying to find someone that could help.

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    This is it kids

    The oil down day

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    Tomorrow is gonna be wet so today will be a clusterfuck of oil downs and desperation for dry track time.

    Letís see if the astra that promises the world can actually beat some open class cars this year.
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    Perhaps some rule changes might get some folks to lift their game, with regards to the level of car prep?

    Maybe exclude them from the rest of the day, if they cause an oil down?
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    In short, some cunt at test and tune had a 250cc honda turning to 11ty and it sounded porn. Do that.

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    What the fuck does all the money spent on entry fees, visitor entry fees, vendor stand fees go to? They can't maybe make less profit and hire a bunch of dudes with a fire extinguisher or two?

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    Another big fire. Car burning at turn 4.

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