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    Ive just noticed summit have a cost section for tax and duty at the shipping estimate checkout page. I dont remember seeing this last time I placed an order?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LB-XP View Post
    Ive just noticed summit have a cost section for tax and duty at the shipping estimate checkout page. I dont remember seeing this last time I placed an order?

    That's not new, they've had that for at least a year or more.
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    Well, its been awhile since placing an order haha, probably 1 year. Im about to order a lot if stuff from rock auto as well. See what happens

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    Ebay is very clear that their FEES, ie. what they charge you as a sales commission, will have added GST from 1st July.

    Which is not the same as the total price having a GST on it.

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    Here it comes!

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    GST is coming for low value imports – understand what it means for you when using ShopMate

    Hi Cunt,

    The Australian Government has passed laws which extend the Goods and Services Tax (GST) to low value imports of physical goods.

    This change will mean that from 1 July 2018, Australia Post will be required to collect GST from you on items valued at $1,000AUD or less that you ship into Australia using ShopMate, and pay that GST to the Australian Tax Office (ATO). The rate of GST is 10%.

    The existing processes to collect GST on imports with values above $1,000AUD will remain the same.

    GST will be payable on:

    1.The value of the item(s) you are shipping into Australia via ShopMate including any shipping fees or local taxes paid to the USA retailer, and
    2.The value of the ShopMate shipping and service fee (including Extra Cover if applicable)

    From 1 July 2018, each time you check out a ShopMate parcel and declare the value of the goods, you will be asked to provide payment for your ShopMate shipping and the applicable GST all in the same transaction.

    What you need to do:
    Within 48 hours of providing payment for each ShopMate transaction you will need to email Australia Post the invoice you receive from your USA retailer.*

    How to email us your invoice:

    1.Simply email a copy of your USA retailer invoice to ShopMateInvoice@auspost.com.au
    2.Include your first and last name and ShopMate Suite Number in the email subject line ◦Your suite number is the second address line of your ShopMate USA address
    ◦e.g. Subject line: John Smith, Suite SM-2364-5833

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    Look, just because you drive a couple of imported luxo Pommy cars doesn't mean you need to act like an Imperialistic Lapdog and be the last bastion of defence for Straya The Beaut's mid-20th-Century ideals
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    People must assume you are some sort of drug dealer with all these nice cars turning up to a fibro home

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    everyone needs to order a shit load of separate little items from china and just flood the fuck out of them with paperwork so it costs way more than the collected GST to process
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRD-MX62 View Post
    everyone needs to order a shit load of separate little items from china and just flood the fuck out of them with paperwork so it costs way more than the collected GST to process
    Pretty sure that's gonna happen anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marv View Post
    Look, just because you drive a couple of imported luxo Pommy cars doesn't mean you need to act like an Imperialistic Lapdog and be the last bastion of defence for Straya The Beaut's mid-20th-Century ideals
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    People must assume you are some sort of drug dealer with all these nice cars turning up to a fibro home

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRD-MX62 View Post
    everyone needs to order a shit load of separate little items from china and just flood the fuck out of them with paperwork so it costs way more than the collected GST to process
    Im already doing my part

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    Yup, ditto. Small fitting here, clip there etc.

    Going to bring in a larger Amazon parcel in a few weeks though, and perhaps a shipito run. But from now I think most of my Shipito stuff will be pick up when im in the US.
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    Shop mate can fuck right off.

    Whats to stop me using fed ex or similar and bypass auspost?

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    On another note, I went to place an order from summit about a month ago and the pricks tried to add Aussie Govco tax at check out. I had to drop a couple of items to get rid of the extra cost of about $250 from memory.

    How are summit sending the Australian government this money I wonder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LB-XP View Post
    Whats to stop me using fed ex or similar and bypass auspost?
    My understanding is that all courier/mail services will be responsible for collecting it.
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    Is this for items inbound from all countries, or just the USA?

    Also, why can't Auspost, et al, just bill you the GST amount after the fact?
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    Mate just sent me this from FB today.

    I think freight forwarding companys will be the only answer for these kind of scenarios

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    I thought they were going to force the point of sale, e.g. eBay to collect the taxes?

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    Will freight fwd or marked as gift / second hand goods still work ?

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    If it's a case of paying 10% on top item that tax free on the other end then I have no problem with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kedderz View Post
    Will freight fwd or marked as gift / second hand goods still work ?
    Nope, not according to the Border farce website...

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    The problem is vendors aren't going to register with the ato and send them the 10% as it's just worth the head fuck for them.

    Quote Originally Posted by MZ21 View Post
    If it's a case of paying 10% on top item that tax free on the other end then I have no problem with it.

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    I hope every other country on he planet decides to reciprocate and fuck over our exporters, sending all our local businesses down the toilet too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kedderz View Post
    The problem is vendors aren't going to register with the ato and send them the 10% as it's just worth the head fuck for them.
    Yep this is a dumb. Other countries manage this with out all the fucking around, why Australia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oioioioioi View Post
    I thought they were going to force the point of sale, e.g. eBay to collect the taxes?
    Found this on the interweb:

    Interview with the Australian Tax Office

    To understand the changes and implications for both Australian private buyers, for Australian retail trade and for overseas online retailers selling directly to Australian customers, a spokesperson from the Australian Tax Office has responded to questions from Christopher Jones of Bicycles Network Australia.

    Christopher Jones: Overseas retailers with an expected annual sale value of over $75,000 to Australia are required to register with the ATO and collect GST. Can you comment on the acceptance of this and whether you expect a last-minute rush for GST registration?

    ATO spokesperson: This change has been made to ensure a level playing field for Australian and overseas businesses. With just under two months before implementation, the ATO has received a number of early registrations but we expect the bulk of entities to register in the period from April to June. Business engagement with the ATO has been constructive and encouraging.



    Christopher Jones: If an overseas retailer is collecting GST, what is the process or procedure for the ATO to recover this?

    ATO spokesperson: Overseas businesses that meet the A$75,000 registration threshold will need to:
    1. register for GST
    2. charge GST on sales of low value imports (unless they are GST-free), and
    3. lodge returns to the ATO.

    These businesses may be merchants who sell goods, electronic distribution platform operators or re-deliverers. Merchants do not count their offshore supplies made through electronic distribution platforms in determining if they meet the $75,000 threshold. Merchant should count their direct sales from outside Australia and all other supplies subject to GST under existing rules. There are also rules for platforms and re-deliverers that are explained on our website.

    Similar to Australian businesses, overseas businesses who meet the threshold will need to lodge returns to the ATO. To make it easier to comply, the ATO has established a simplified pay only registration system designed for international businesses. Overseas businesses can also register through the standard GST registration system and lodge business activity statements.



    Christopher Jones: When an overseas entity is collecting the Australian GST for the ATO, how is this recorded in their accounts for the purpose of book-keeping and local tax returns (in consideration of avoiding double-taxation).

    ATO spokesperson: Affected businesses will not be expected to have any specific record-keeping method that they must adhere to, provided that they keep:
    • accurate records which explain the GST treatment of their Australia supplies
    • them on paper or electronically and
    • GST records for 5 years.



    Christopher Jones: The ATO website lists three ‘collection’ points for GST; either the merchant, the marketplace or a ‘re-deliverer’. In the case that the merchant is not registered for GST and has low value sales to Australia (and does not exceed the $75,000 threshold), the ATO website says that these merchants will not charge GST. Can you confirm this?

    ATO spokesperson: Businesses that do not meet the threshold should not charge GST on their sales.



    Christopher Jones: How does this work for businesses that are registered to collect GST but record an annual sales volume lower than $75,000 to Australian customers?

    ATO spokesperson: Businesses must count supplies that are connected with Australia in determining if they are required to register. As such, Businesses that sell low value imported goods have to register for Australian GST if they sell goods to consumers in Australia for less than $1,000 AUD per item and the total of these sales (and any other sales to which GST applies, such as digital services ) is more than $75,000AUD in a 12 month period.

    Once a supplier is registered for GST, the GST should be charged on supplies that are connected with Australia and are not GST-free or input taxed. They should also not charge GST on supplies of low value imported goods made to GST registered business – provided that the business provides their ABN and a statement that they are registered for GST.

    Once registered, a supplier needs to remain registered for 12 months unless they no longer carry on an enterprise. If after 12 months their current and projected GST registration turnover falls below $75,000, then they may deregister.

    See also:
    Low value imported goods registration
    Working out GST turnover



    Christopher Jones: In the case that a smaller overseas business unexpectedly exceeds the $75,000 threshold, what happens? Are they liable to pay the ‘uncollected’ GST or is $75,000 a threshold and they only are liable for GST payments above this value?

    ATO spokesperson: When a business reaches the threshold of $75,000 in sales to consumers in Australia 12 month period, they must register for GST within 21 days and apply GST to sales from the date they were required to be registered.



    Christopher Jones: Australian customs will still clear imports values over $1000. What is the implication for an overseas business registered to collect GST and with an annual sales volume over $75,000 – do they now collect GST?

    ATO spokesperson: High value imports (above $1,000AUD) are subject to GST at the border regardless of whether the supplier is registered for GST. There are exceptions including:
    – imported goods that are GST-free (such as food items)
    – low value imported goods bought together and consigned to Australia in one shipment, where the supplier has taxed these goods at the point of sale.

    Items valued above $1,000AUD have existing processes in place that ensure the correct amounts are collected in GST, duty and processing fees and are taxed at the border. This is outlined, here: How GST applies to imported goods.



    Christopher Jones: How should an private Australian buyer know or verify that the overseas retailer is collecting GST – does the consumer have a responsibility or should they assume that the retailers is responsible for compliance?

    ATO spokesperson: It will not be the consumer’s responsibility to verify whether an overseas retailer is responsible for collection of the GST. However, GST registered businesses selling low value goods to consumers in Australia will have documentary requirements. They are required to issue notices to consumers about GST on the sale and provide certain GST information for inclusion in import documents (one commercial document can be used to fulfil both requirements).



    Christopher Jones: How is a package documented so that it is known whether GST has been paid? What does a private buyer and a business need to know about any labels or documentation?

    When a business charges GST, they are required to ensure that correct information is provided to customers and included on import documents for the goods. They will ask their transporters or customs brokers in the country of export to collect this information and make sure it is provided to transporters or customs brokers in Australia. There is a field on both the self-assessed clearance declaration (with tariff lines) and the import declaration to include a GST exemption code of PAID, where relevant.

    You can see the specific requirements for documentation, here: Requirements once you are registered.



    Christopher Jones: Are you able to comment on the added cost for implementation and administration of the GST collection on low value imports compared with the expected income – are the costs offset through the collected GST or will increased overheads mean that it costs more that it earns?

    ATO spokesperson: For goods valued $1,000 AUD or less in import the GST will be applied at the point of sale and additional customs charges will not apply. This method of collecting GST through suppliers, electronic distribution platform operators or re-deliverers was considered to be more cost effective then collecting the GST on import.

    For goods imported in a consignment over $1,000 AUD, the existing processes continue to apply and any GST, customs duty and clearance charges will be charged to the importer at the border.



    Christopher Jones: Will the new rules become a disincentive for overseas retailers to sell to Australian customers? GST collection demands extra administration and Australia, within the world stage, is a small market. Each rule or process unique that is unique to Australia and increases administration can limit the willingness of brands to deal with Australian consumers.

    ATO spokesperson: The new rules are designed to ensure Australian businesses can compete on a level playing field with overseas sales. Please refer to the following report into the Collection Models for GST on Low Value Imported Goods which outlines identified risks associated with the changes.

    Australian Government Productivity Commission Industry Report:
    Collection Models for GST on Low Value Imported Goods


    Tags: ATO, Australian Tax Office, Customs, Duty, GST, imports, threshold

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    This is gonna be a total clusterfuck, I feel so conflicted, on the one hand it's gonna be hilarious to see what a mess they're creating, on the other hand I'm going to get fucked up the arse...
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    People must assume you are some sort of drug dealer with all these nice cars turning up to a fibro home

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    Does the ATO have any way to recover gst from businesses OS which charge for GST yet never send it forth or under report etc?

    Highly doubt it, let alone the resources to do so.

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    The whole thing sounds like a somalian email scam. Send funds and we will give you your stuff.

    Fucking joke.

    Wait till we start ordering 1000's of small items at 50c each with no intention of paying auspost and letting that junk sit there. Its going to be doomed in no time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MZ21 View Post
    Yep this is a dumb. Other countries manage this with out all the fucking around, why Australia?
    Gerry Harvey. Thats why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kedderz View Post
    Does the ATO have any way to recover gst from businesses OS which charge for GST yet never send it forth or under report etc?

    Highly doubt it, let alone the resources to do so.
    Hmmm. There's an opportunity.

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    Changes regarding goods imports to Aus... GST?

    Look what I found on AliExpress
    http://s.aliexpress.com/InaQrEBz

    60 cents each, with free postage from China

    Actually there are thousands of shitty little things from Aliexpress for less than a dollar, free postage from China.

    Get onto it!

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    Here we go Look what I found on AliExpress
    http://s.aliexpress.com/YRB7VRNR
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marv View Post
    Look, just because you drive a couple of imported luxo Pommy cars doesn't mean you need to act like an Imperialistic Lapdog and be the last bastion of defence for Straya The Beaut's mid-20th-Century ideals
    Quote Originally Posted by nutttr View Post
    People must assume you are some sort of drug dealer with all these nice cars turning up to a fibro home

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    Sounds like the dumbest idea ever.

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