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    Bought the Aspen yesterday, and immediately took it on a 1600km road trip to get it home. Doesn't look quite that good in the flesh (some patches of bubbling paint), but overall there's a lot less rust issues than there were on the 2005 Durango before nopics had her way with it.

    Did the calculations on what it cost me to buy it, pay the taxes, and putting it on the road, plus the costs to get there and drive it home, get there, and drive it home, and by my calculations I have $5 left from the insurance payout I got for the written off 2005.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesB View Post
    Of course I'm sure. I owned a 2005 Durango for a year. The leading edge of the cowl panel in front of the windscreen is pretty much on the axle centre line.
    What I meant is are you sure you really wanna be pulling all that plastic out and cursing every time you service it.

    Well I guess judging by the above photo, the answer is yes.

    Is the interior typical Cerbera Chrysler blah?

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    Spent Tuesday afternoon and Wednesday morning upgrading the software in the MyGig media and navigation system. Initially the upgraded software presented me with a Jeep logo on the boot screen, but this morning the Chrysler logo was there. Apparently Jeep was the first vehicle to get this particular Harman Becker system, and Jeep is the default state. It can take a few power cycles and a few hours wait before the system figures out what brand of vehicle it is in, and displays the relevant brand logo on the screen.

    The navigation database appears to be the original from delivery, and was a year or so old even then. The 2017 map files are just about to be released, and on special, will cost USD$149.95 plus $25 delivery ... however I've found a cheaper method that involves a flaw in the drive security. Once the map has been installed, and that requires entering the VIN and an unlock code tied to the VIN (in order to ensure it can't be installed on any other vehicles), the entire internal hard drive can be cloned, and the map will work fine when the cloned drive is installed in another radio. I can buy a replacement hard drive with the map files already cloned onto it for CAD$90 delivered.

    The Aspens are rare beasts in Canada. They were on the market for just 3 model years (2007-2009), and the plant that built them (and the 2nd Gen Durango) was shut down in Dec 2008 and demolished. During the time the Aspen was on the market, just 4063 were delivered to customers in Canada. Even in the US, they sold less than 65,000 vehicles.

    Had a good look at the body work and compared it to a face lifted 2nd generation Durango, and it appears that the roof, tail-gate, and maybe the front doors are the only exterior panels that are interchangeable between the two "badge engineered" versions. I think the fog lights may be the same, but the head and tail lights are definitely different and non-interchangeable.
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    Are these things same as the Dodge Journey sold in oz but with the right drivetrain?
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    The only similarity between the 2nd Generation Durango/Aspen and the Journey is some of the styling.

    The 1st generation series of Durango, was pretty much a Station Wagon version of the Dakota and is classified as a Mid Size SUV. The 2nd Generation Durango (plus the Aspen) is a more radical rework of the Dakota Chassis and a unique Minivan style body and is classified as a Full Size SUV. Both are RWD/4x4 full chassis vehicles with north-south engines.

    The Journey was a rework of the Dodge/Chrysler minivan platform and is a FWD/AWD platform with an east-west engine. It's about the same size as the 1st Gen Durango, but is a lot smaller than the 2nd Generation Durango. I suspect that the executives hoped the Journey would capture the same clientele as the Durango when they made the decision to shut the Durango production line in late 2008.
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    V8 skid AWD snow skid machine?

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    It'll be getting a set of studded snow tyres on 18 inch rims (hopefully in time for this coming winter), as snow skids are something I really don't want. The Durango wasn't fun to drive on icy roads with all season radials. Had some interesting moments in Halifax traffic last Winter after a failed wheel speed sensor caused the ABS and Traction Control to be disabled. Less of a problem on the local roads in our area if you take it really gently, but frightening in big city traffic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman Don View Post
    Are these things same as the Dodge Journey sold in oz but with the right drivetrain?
    D-C, especially Dodge, had a hard on for the block style at the time. Pretty much everything they had all looked pretty similar.
    The Journey was a classic Chyrsler gap filler, as mentioned with the upsized Durango they wanted a 3 row crossover to fit below it. It is said they also wanted to appease the AWD minivan buyers who were shitty that Chyrsler had dropped the AWD option in '04, a small but still reasonable market. It's interesting that the new Pacifica minivan is available with AWD, it's said the Journey won't be replaced at the end of it's cycle either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mizone View Post
    Is the interior typical Cerbera Chrysler blah?
    To be honest, as uninspired as the dash was on the Durango, it was far better looking. The rearranging of the Durango dash to incorporate the (traditional) Chrysler analog clock messed up the styling. The brow over the instruments was shortened on the Aspen (it continued to the right side of the centre stack on the Durango), and a growth appeared above the centre stack to fit a clock that wasn't much bigger than a watch ... and not that easy to read. On the positive side, the moulding depression in the growth in which the clock sits is a great place to store loose change for a toll booth or drive through.

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    The rest of the dash and the interior really looks like someone has just sprayed everything with grey primer and then added a few bits of fake brushed stainless trim (silver paint on plastic) and some fake wood accent panels. On the premium spec full leather trim models (like mine) that grey is the only interior colour choice. According to the sales brochure, the lower spec models (and you can't have a lower spec model with a Hemi, so if you want the Hemi, you have to get the high spec model) have a choice of 5 different interior colour combinations. Doesn't make any sense. There's a fair bit of speculation that Daimler ensured that the design and the execution of all the Chrysler interiors was kept pretty down market and uninspired (the panel trim gaps are "less than optimal") to make the Benzes look even better.

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    The front seats are nice on a long trip, and the 2nd row seats are basically low spec Durango (or something out of the Dodge/Chrysler parts bin) front bucket seats trimmed in leather with suede accents that match the front seats, but without any of the position adjusters, or the adjustable lumbar support, and with the recline limited to 11 degrees of movement. The 2nd row does have a seat heating system that's identical to the front seat heating (each seat has an independent 2 level heating system with auto timed shut off), which is nice when it drops down to the minus teens here.
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    Hunting this weekend for a spare tyre for the Aspen. Where the spare should have been is just the rusty end of a tyre hoist cable. Didn't spot the lack of a spare until I arrived home. The cleanliness of the floor pan above where the spare should have been indicates the vehicle has been through a car wash or two since the spare went missing, so it didn't come off while I was driving. Can't carry a can of tyre foam as the foam stuffs the tyre pressure sensors, so a spare tyre is a must have.

    It's taken me a few days to find out details about the actual size of the wheel for the spare. On my Durango, the road wheels were 17x8 Alloys and the spare was a slightly narrower 17" steel wheel, all shod with P265/65R17 tyres.

    The Aspen has 20x8 Alloys with P265/50R20, but the only official information about the spare is that tyre placard says it should be fitted with a P245/70R17 tire. Somebody on a Dodge forum pulled their spare and confirmed that it was on a 17x7.5, and this matches my online research which indicated the spare was a steel 7.5JJ x 17 wheel with a positive offset of 35mm and a 5x5.5 PCD. Should be able to find a Dakota or RAM wheel to match those specifications at the wreckers. The wheel and tyre sizing gets critical in a full-time AWD system, and the P265/50R20 and P245/70R17 tyres differ in rolling diameter by just 0.1 inch.

    In a month or two I'll be hunting for a set of 17" or 18" Durango alloy wheels to use for mounting a set of snow tyres. I've been informed on a Durango forum that most RAM truck wheels won't fit, and 17x8 wheels from the early 2nd gen Durango models are easy to find (I can get an entire basket case Durango for $500) and P245/70R17 or P265/65R17 studded snow tires are a common size.

    Might pay me to replace the entire hoist assembly instead of just the cable and tyre holding plate. The hoist is unique to the 2nd gen Durango and Aspen, so it's not something I'm likely to find at a wrecker. New one is $199.42 delivered. If I get a basket case Durango, then the ancient cable on that one is probably ready to go, so a new one may be a safer bet. A number of people on Durango forums have informed me that they have lost their spares in similar circumstances.
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    Have you cross checked the spare tyre hoist part number with the one on the pre '05 minivans? It's a well known failure on them, even in areas that don't see much snow they can fail. I dropped my, full size, spare out of the van and cleaned and lubed the whole thing. Was surprised to see a bit of rust, and a hell of a lot of dust, in it. Speaking of rust, I also had to drop my headliner because somehow a couple of the rivnuts for the roof rails had broken loose, PITA to retighten. When I was doing that I spotted a bit of rust under one of the brackets.

    Rockauto for the spare tire carrier:http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo....441258&jsn=388
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    Thanks for that. It's the same Dorman part number as the one I found for the Durangos, so I guess it's not unique to the Durango line as I was led to believe. Lots of those minivans at the wreckers, so I'll have a look at the rest of the Dodge line.
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    I had a quick look at the minivan part, looks like it's a different piece, although they were pretty specific about the application being SWB with space saver for the listed part number for the minivans. My van was a LWB with full size spare so it is actually possible it had a different part. Still worth a look, although given the vans reputation for dropping spares out the back I'd be surprised if you find a useable one.

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    Today I was formulating a plan while I did the 50 minute drive back from the Farmers' Market ... I'll pull the hoist off the Aspen, take it apart, and investigate fitting it with stainless aircraft cable.
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    It's nearly a month since the purchase, and the Aspen is off the road while I sort out tyres and the spare.

    A close inspection of the tires that were on the Aspen when I bought it pointed out that there was no way all of them would pass the provincial safety inspection, and an inspection must be done within 10 days of the vehicle being licensed in the province. The Quebec temporary permit expired 2 weeks ago, so we just parked the Aspen while we sort out getting the safety done. We had an unplanned household expense, so finding a spare CAD$1000+ for a new set of P265/50R20 tires plus extra for a P245/70R17 spare on a 7.5x17 steel rim, became a short term impossibility. We've just about recovered from that unplanned expense (a big customer of my laser business finally paid on a job I delivered 6 weeks ago), and as Winter is fast approaching, and studded tires will become legal to use after October 15, the decision has been made to go straight to a set of 17" rims with (possibly studded) winter tyres and get a decent set of Summer rated 20s next year before the studded tires have to come off on May 31 (unstudded winter tyres are legal all year round, but they wear fast in hot weather). While Nova Scotia hasn't yet gone the Quebec route and mandated "winter rated" tyres during winter, driving nopic's Saturn last year with studded tyres fitted was a revelation, just as driving the Durango on iced roads in Halifax commuter traffic with summer rated P265/65R17 tyres was terrifying.

    Recommendations are that I go for P245/70R17 winter tyres in preference to P265/65R17 tyres as the narrower tyres cut through the snow and ice better for winter driving. In any case, I'm looking for a set of used winters of either size. The less than common 5x5.5" PCD wheels that the Gen2 Durango/Aspen takes means that we are limited to wheels off another Gen2 Durango or a 2002 and onwards Dodge RAM 1500 truck. The Jeeps and later Durangos use 5x5" PCD wheels, and the Ford and Chevy trucks are all 6 bolt. Fortunately 17" RAM 1500 wheels are pretty common. I'm going up to Halifax on the weekend to investigate some that were posted in eBay's Canadian equivalent of Craig's List. It looks like I can get a set of RAM rims plus a set of legal tread depth used winter tires for around $400.
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    Winter tyre project progress.

    Just got back from a shopping expedition with my haul ... 3 of 17 x 8 inch alloys plus 1 of 17 x 7.5 inch steel spare. All came from a crashed 2011 Dodge RAM 1500.





    These wheels are identical to the ones I had on my 2005 Durango, except that the Durango had a conforming vacuum plated plastic cover over the alloy. The seller's Durango is propping up the wheels, and you can see the plastic covered version in the shot with the steel spare.

    Got one more matching 17 x 8 inch alloy to get and then I can deal with the winter tyres (probably studded).
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    Can't understand the trend for chrome clad wheels. Looks cheesy when new, looks complete crap when it starts to flake.

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    I don't like them either. When I got the Durango, I truly thought the chrome clad wheels were steel wheels with permanently attached plastic hubcaps. It wasn't until a few months later that I discovered that the wheels were actually alloy. Hated the look of the chrome cladding and looked at removing it, but my research indicated that the alloy faces behind the chrome cladding was only partially finished, and if the cladding was removed, the wheels really looked like crap.

    The chrome cladding works better in areas where they use salt on the roads. Most unclad 5 year old alloys are seriously corroded and look pretty nasty, and 10 year old chrome clad wheels given the same amount of care look far better.
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    Should be picking up a set of 245/70R17 studded winter tyres on the weekend. They have exactly the same rolling diameter as the 265/50R20 wheels on it at the moment, so a single 245/70R17 spare will do for both sets. With luck, I'll also be picking up a set of four 17x8J wheels from a 2009 Dodge Ram 1500 on the same trip. The seller I'm negotiating with at the moment has a nice set of 4 that he replaced with an aftermarket set of 20s. They are all in reasonable condition and he wants $175 for all 4. I'll get the studded tyres fitted to the rims next week.

    The set of 3 alloys (+ 1 steel spare) that I picked up a couple of weeks ago are becoming just too much of a head fuck when it comes to finding a matching 4th alloy wheel. The 17" steel rim will be used for my spare, but it seems like everybody is looking for a single wheel to replace the one they smashed on a pothole etc. Single alloy wheels of the same pattern are available, but the price people want for one is as much as I'm paying for the set of four with a different (and nicer) pattern. I figure I'll do far better selling off the three 17x8J alloys, one by one.

    I've figured out why the TPMS system is having problems with the sensor in the left rear wheel. There isn't one. Somebody has removed the TPMS sensor and replaced it with a standard valve stem. Two of the 3 Dodge Ram alloy wheels I picked up have the same generation of TPMS sensor, so I'll remove those sensors, and replace them with standard valve stems before I place the Ram wheels on the market. I'll need to program the car to accept the replacement sensor, and my research into the TPMS system has convinced me that I really need to buy a TPMS programming/reset/activation tool. Been looking at the newer Autel TS408 and TS508 and the superseded TS401 and TS501.
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    Picked up the set of studded 245/70R17 110S winter tyres yesterday. Good deal for CAD$150. The studs are pretty worn down, but I can have them re-studded. I'll look into the re-studding in late December or early January. The current non-icy roads will just wear down a new set of studs.

    I've just gotten back from picking up the four wheels from a 2009 Dodge Ram 1500 (couldn't get the two sellers to be available at times that would let me do both purchases in a single trip). They were not 8" width like the seller assumed, but are in fact 17x7J+25.4mm ($175 for all 4). Nothing fancy, but they'll look a lot better on the Aspen than a black steel rim.




    I will get the tyres mounted on the rims during the week, and hopefully the vehicle will be ready for it's safety inspection before the end of the week. Once I complete the transfer paperwork, I'll have 10 days to get the inspection done.
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    The studded tyres are now mounted on rims. Still got to fit them to the vehicle. Cost me $40 to get all 4 to be mounted and balanced (cash only, no receipt, no GST). Apparently I can't get them re-studded ... unless I do it myself. The tyre shops will stud brand new (never touched the road) tyres only, as the stud holes have to be scrupulously clean and undamaged to properly insert the studs.

    Didn't fit TPMS sensors into these tyres ... may do that later when I learn more about the system. Everything I read indicates that TPMS systems are a license to print money. The ones that came fitted to the Aspen wheels and to a couple of the Dodge Ram wheels I picked up a month ago have alloy stems which appear to be as fragile as all fuck, and also corrode and crumble if you fit anything other than exactly the right type of plastic cap on the stem. As soon as Fiat took over Chrysler, the TPMS systems changed from the bolt in alloy stemmed 315MHz type to a rubber covered snap in metal stem 433MHz system that Fiat likes to use.
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    Got the 17" wheels and tyres on.





    There's very little clearance between the floating rear disk calipers and the wheels ... but I am able to fit a flexible 3mm thick gauge between the calipers and the rim and as the pads are virtually new, it really shouldn't be an issue. The front calipers have a lot more clearance. The shape of the rim where it's closest to the calipers means that If I have issues, fitting a set of 1/4" spacers on the rear wheels would give the calipers 1 or 2mm of additional clearance (though not as much as gently caressing the edge of each caliper with an angle grinder, but that may make a caliper core exchange for a rebuild a bit more tricky in the future). I remember that the 13" Globe RallyMaster wheels I was running on my Torana had so little clearance between the wheels and the rear calipers that you couldn't run stick on weights on the inside edge.

    Nopics commented that the 17" wheels and 70 profile tyres just don't look as elegant as the 20" wheels with 50 profile tyres. Her comment was it's like seeing a woman who has taken off her high heels and put on a pair of "sensible shoes".
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    Lol, did you ask her what she prefers to wear when walking on snow and ice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by irsa76 View Post
    Lol, did you ask her what she prefers to wear when walking on snow and ice?
    Doesn't matter what she wears, she'll still complain about the snow and ice ... especially the layer of ice that builds up on the driveway and steps.

    On Thursday, I paid the 10% provincial taxes plus the $13.20 fee to do the titling in Nova Scotia for a total of $512.70 (I paid the 5% federal tax portion two months ago when I bought it in Montreal). Hopefully the provincial government won't decide it's worth more than what I paid for it and send me a bill for the tax difference (they did that on the Subaru and sent me a bill for the $37.50 extra tax they considered I'd gipped them out of because the Subaru price was less than book value). Considering the book value for the Aspen is about 50% more than I paid for it, I may yet get a bill for an extra $350-$450 taxes (although the fact that I got it from a dealer and it wasn't a private sale may force them to accept the dealer price). The plates that I used first on the Subaru and then the 2005 Durango went on, and they don't expire until April 2018.

    Temps dropped down into the negatives over the weekend, was some light snow fall in other parts of Nova Scotia, but none in our area. Even so, I was glad to have the snow tyres fitted just in case. I suspect there'll be a lot of people rushing to get their snow tyres fitted this week (most of them don't have the tyres already mounted on a second set of rims, and just get the summer tyres removed from their rims and their winters fitted). With the studded winters fitted, I'm expecting a serious increase in the rate that the Aspen slurps fuel. Fill-up on Saturday returned a calculated consumption of 13.89 lit/100km (up from a previous of 12.84 lit/100), but as the snow tyres were on for just 20% of that tank, I didn't think I can fully blame them for all of the increased consumption. Considering the EPA consumption figure for highway driving is 12.38 lit/100, and much of the last tank full was on "back country" roads and a bit of in town driving, I'm quite happy with a figure of 13.89/100.

    Next weekend, I'll unbolt the front "chin spoiler" and put it away for the winter. If I don't, nopics will smash it off driving through snow banks when the first heavy snowfall arrives.
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    Tomorrow the Aspen is booked in for its first two yearly vehicle inspection in Nova Scotia. We'll see how it goes.

    First snow fall of the season this morning, although it was less traditional snow than ice pellets (think lots of very tiny hail stones that look and feel like someone's run styrofoam through a blender). Nopics has taken the Aspen to work today (studded snow tyres and AWD are the preferred features when the snow falls or there's any chance of ice on the roads). Nopics has also decided that she wants something like the Aspen for herself ... AWD, same sort of trim and features, but just a bit smaller and more economical. while her 2002 Saturn is extremely economical (around 6litres/100km), it's also so light that it gets badly blown around in the wind, and a couple of sections of highway that she must use to get to work, scare the crap out of her if the weather isn't good.

    She's had Dodges or Chryslers for years and liked them. The Disco was a departure from her long term Dodge/Chrysler ownership, and it proved frustrating in its "unreliability" and cost of parts, so while she still wants me to get the Disco back on the road for her to use "occasionally", she's now looking for another Dodge/Chrysler product to use as a daily driver. Last night the decision was made, and we are now starting the hunt for a 2007-2008 AWD Chrysler Pacifica with AWD and in either Touring or Limited trim levels.

    The Pacifica model was the first joint DaimlerChrysler design, and the model was extremely mishandled and badly marketed. As a result, DaimlerChrysler lost money on every one they sold. The production run lasted from MY2004 to part way through MY2008, and of those the 2007/2008 models are the pick of the bunch having received a new 4.0L SOHC V6 coupled to a new 6-speed auto. The CUV Pacifica bears no similarity other than the name to the latest Chrysler Pacifica mini-van released for MY2017.
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    James

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcolm Nance (35+ years in US Intelligence)
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    You have to wonder wtf was going on at D-C at times. It's pretty amusing that they discontinue the AWD minivan mid 2004, partly due to the stow-n-go seating needing a different floorpan, and partly due to claims of poor sales. Then they release an AWD crossover which fails and is discontinued in 2008, only to release a totally different awd crossover a year later, the Journey.

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    DaimlerChrysler had two vehicles in the same crossover class at the same time, with both being an attempt to answer a perceived but apparently non-existent need ... the Chrysler Pacifica built on a modified FWD minivan platform and the Mercedes-Benz R-Class built on the W251 chassis. Both vehicles looked extremely similar and tried to be too many things at once. Nobody bought them and in the end, both were flops.
    James

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcolm Nance (35+ years in US Intelligence)
    Coincidence takes a lot of planning!
    Nova Scotia Lasers - LASER engraving
    1989 Jaguar XJ-S V12
    2008 Chrysler Aspen Limited (mini van on steroids)
    2003 Land Rover Discovery SE7

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