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    New Supra will be vastly superior in every way except it wont have a huge truck turbo on it making 600rwhp, so JZA80 owner's smug sense of superiority will remain intact

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    Will do faster than 12s pass though....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald Trump View Post
    New Supra is to become a reality:

    https://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/...trackLink=SMH2

    Might be where the love ends up going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by perthdrivers.txt View Post
    New Supra will be vastly superior in every way except it wont have a huge truck turbo on it making 600rwhp with a power band of 1500rpm, so JZA80 owner's smug sense of superiority will remain intact
    That's like having a shovel that does everything better besides digging holes isn't it?
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    I should add “with a power band of 1500rpm”

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    Quote Originally Posted by perthdrivers.txt View Post
    I should add “with a power band of 1500rpm”
    quote fixed
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    Quote Originally Posted by perthdrivers.txt View Post
    New Supra will be vastly superior in every way except it wont have a huge truck turbo on it making 600rwhp, so JZA80 owner's smug sense of superiority will remain intact
    I think the market has shifted and it will be hard to compete with something that has such a great reputation. It also has to have modern safety standards so will probably weigh more which is a disadvantage.

    If they give it 500+hp they will have to price it over 100k, so it goes with the GTR price bracket and is unaffordable for the masses. If they make it around 400hp they can make it affordable but then it is slower than a mildly tuned Mk4. With todays turbo tech, you can put a GTX3076R on a 3L, have 5-600hp without an issue and minimal lag. Then again with the way Mk4 prices are, if they go the cheaper route it might not be that much difference in price.

    I really hope I am proven wrong. But when you could take a car that used to be fairly cheap, chuck another 10k worth of mods at it and have a reliable 500hp all day long its going to take a lot to top that.
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    Wonder if it will get the 3.5 v6 from the LS500?

    For both high power and excellent fuel efficiency, Lexus designed an all-new 3.5-liter V6 engine specifically for the new LS with all-new twin turbos developed through the company's F1 technology. This new engine in the LS is indicative of the more dynamic approach being taken by Lexus, offering V8-level power without sacrificing fuel economy-all while minimizing noise and vibration. The new LS engine offers the output one would expect in a flagship sedan: 415 horsepower and 442 lb-ft of torque, sizeable gains over the current LS model's V8. The long stroke and optimized stroke-to-bore ratio contribute to high-speed combustion and the efficiency of the twin turbos, which assist the LS with a projected 0-60 time of 4.5 seconds (RWD).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Norbie View Post

    I think a lot of single-model forums devolve like this but the Supra crowd are the worst I've come across.
    Nah. AE86 forums are the worst. Seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CussCuss View Post
    I think the market has shifted and it will be hard to compete with something that has such a great reputation. It also has to have modern safety standards so will probably weigh more which is a disadvantage.

    If they give it 500+hp they will have to price it over 100k, so it goes with the GTR price bracket and is unaffordable for the masses. If they make it around 400hp they can make it affordable but then it is slower than a mildly tuned Mk4. With todays turbo tech, you can put a GTX3076R on a 3L, have 5-600hp without an issue and minimal lag. Then again with the way Mk4 prices are, if they go the cheaper route it might not be that much difference in price.

    I really hope I am proven wrong. But when you could take a car that used to be fairly cheap, chuck another 10k worth of mods at it and have a reliable 500hp all day long its going to take a lot to top that.
    The RZ Supra was never a cheap car to buy new anyway. Toyota have two choices, make the new one superior in performance and price accordingly and affordability be damned (ie, go the R35 route) or completely ignore comparisons with the old car, lower performance and price with the knowledge that approximately 0.1% of buyers would be cross shopping (or care) about a 20+ yo. car anyway.

    86/BRZ is the lesson to be learned here - price it well and it will sell like hot cakes, regardless of how much the internet writes it off as underpowered.

    It really depends on whether Toyota want this to be an aspirational halo model or just a profitable sports car a few rungs up from the 86.
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    You would assume the later;
    Twin turbo, 6 speed, big brake JZA80's were $80k equivalent back in the day yeah?

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    Quote Originally Posted by perthdrivers.txt View Post
    86/BRZ is the lesson to be learned here - price it well and it will sell like hot cakes, regardless of how much the internet writes it off as underpowered.
    Yep. Toyota gives no fucks for the JZA80 internet fanboys, 99.9% of whom would never have bought the car new even if they'd been born before 1993. Competition for the new Supra will be current model sports/GT cars in the same price bracket, not some old car that went out of production 17 years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by perthdrivers.txt View Post
    The RZ Supra was never a cheap car to buy new anyway. Toyota have two choices, make the new one superior in performance and price accordingly and affordability be damned (ie, go the R35 route) or completely ignore comparisons with the old car, lower performance and price with the knowledge that approximately 0.1% of buyers would be cross shopping (or care) about a 20+ yo. car anyway.

    86/BRZ is the lesson to be learned here - price it well and it will sell like hot cakes, regardless of how much the internet writes it off as underpowered.

    It really depends on whether Toyota want this to be an aspirational halo model or just a profitable sports car a few rungs up from the 86.
    Agree 100%, the problem that they face is that they are not just judged against a 25 year old car. They are judged against a 25 year old car plus all the reputation, hype, myth, aftermarket, fast and furious and everything else about it.

    The whole BMW thing may have already decided from the get go how it was going to be produced/marketed.
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    I love Supra
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    Quote Originally Posted by kedderz View Post
    Wonder if it will get the 3.5 v6 from the LS500?

    For both high power and excellent fuel efficiency, Lexus designed an all-new 3.5-liter V6 engine specifically for the new LS with all-new twin turbos developed through the company's F1 technology. This new engine in the LS is indicative of the more dynamic approach being taken by Lexus, offering V8-level power without sacrificing fuel economy-all while minimizing noise and vibration. The new LS engine offers the output one would expect in a flagship sedan: 415 horsepower and 442 lb-ft of torque, sizeable gains over the current LS model's V8. The long stroke and optimized stroke-to-bore ratio contribute to high-speed combustion and the efficiency of the twin turbos, which assist the LS with a projected 0-60 time of 4.5 seconds (RWD).

    Interesting if the were to use this engine (BMW ties aside) they would do what theyve done with all shared Lexus engines put in performance models and get Yamaha to tickle it for more power trading off a bit of torque, on that basis it would be lineball with the power and torque the R35 put out on its release...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MR-PUNANNY View Post
    I love Supra
    Is this a new thing? Wouldn't have picked you as the Supra type mate
    Good one dickhead

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    Pfft only 99k.. theyre still behind the real deal overpriced japanese shitbox kings

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    In before released in auto only, with 350hp, and 1950kg. It’ll be the 300zx of 2019 at the equivalent pricing of an NSX.
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    It's not particularly hard to work out what the new Supra will be.

    Considering it's sharing a platform with the Z4 it's surely just going to use one of the BMW 3L straight sixes.

    So anywhere between 350-500hp, probably high 300s will be on the cards. 8 speed auto only is my bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Purple View Post
    It's not particularly hard to work out what the new Supra will be.

    Considering it's sharing a platform with the Z4 it's surely just going to use one of the BMW 3L straight sixes.

    So anywhere between 350-500hp, probably high 300s will be on the cards. 8 speed auto only is my bet.
    nuh uhh, its going to all things to all men with a zillion lama thrusts.

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    And in orange only with aero top 4pawl

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    No way.

    New supra will be a mental, Fire breathing monster that only men can drive. Alot like the old one.
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    So few comments here..

    BMW sourced engine and auto gearbox.
    250kw. 1496kg. Carbon fibre based chassis shared with z8.

    https://www.motoring.com.au/2019-toy...etails-111131/

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSMAZDAGTR View Post
    So few comments here..

    BMW sourced engine and auto gearbox.
    250kw. 1496kg. Carbon fibre based chassis shared with z8.

    https://www.motoring.com.au/2019-toy...etails-111131/

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    Maybe they should sell it without the engine so you can just do what needs to be done and LS1 it.

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    Bmw uses the zf 8 speed on their turbo 6s so it would be natural to assume it's the same if they use said bmw 6 pot

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    I’d be surprised if those stats are real...250kw is pretty underpowered by today’s standards


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    Quote Originally Posted by DSMAZDAGTR View Post
    So few comments here..

    BMW sourced engine and auto gearbox.
    250kw. 1496kg. Carbon fibre based chassis shared with z8.

    https://www.motoring.com.au/2019-toy...etails-111131/

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    Japanese mags have been making articles about "the new Supra" since the last one stopped production, and all of them have been proven wrong. But hey, it sells paper.

    250kw, 1500kg and 3.8sec? Yeah nah.

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    So slightly heavier than a 140i, less torque and 0.8 seconds faster to 100?

    Hmmm....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MR-PUNANNY View Post
    I love Supra
    I was all ready to hate on Supras being stupidly overpriced and driven by wanker fanboys but then I saw a mint black one roll past at an intersection yesterday and thought awww man they still have it.

    Price of them these days is more a reflection of the disposable incomes of potential owners than an indicator of the cars capabilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lumpy View Post
    Price of them these days is more a reflection of the disposable incomes of potential owners than an indicator of the cars capabilities.
    Thats like every nolstalgic or "previous generation" performance car though

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